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Results for 2013-08-22

11:43 rfrasur well, it wasn't an expert search although I do tend to try and game it a little at times.
11:43 rfrasur it wasn't a well organized search, so I guess I'll have to plan better next time, so I can see what's falling down.
11:43 * rfrasur pushed a lot of buttons
11:44 bshum eeevil: For that bug you'd like extra eyes on
11:44 bshum eeevil: I'm trying to figure out how to replicate the issue/resolve it with testing :)
11:44 bshum eeevil: And as I'm reading the upgrade script, it replaces a reingest function
11:44 bshum Does that mean we need to reingest some bibs to see a change?
11:45 eeevil no
11:45 eeevil so, say you have a browse normalizer to push everything to upper case
11:45 eeevil it's doing that well
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13:58 asimon bshum: The cstore settings in opensrf.xml in our new Evergreen system match the settings in our old Evergreen system.  Are you saying that the max_children in the other services also relate to cstore?
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14:02 phasefx dbs: berick: re: live_t/ and Cronscript.pm, do we only want to move subs to Cronscript when they are actually re-used across tests, or simply if they might get re-used?  I'm thinking about create_closed_date and delete_closed_date in 04-overdue_with_closed_dates.t
14:03 berick phasefx: i think no on those 2
14:03 berick those 2 examples, i mean
14:03 bshum asimon: Can you share a snippet of your logging that made you look for these settings?
14:03 bshum Maybe it's a postgres config issue and not an Evergreen one.
14:03 phasefx roger that.  If someone does make another test, maybe those should go into a new library altogether
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14:10 dbs phasefx: agreed with you and berick on that. Cronscript is meant for stuff that would often be used in real scripts; if there are test-specific methods that won't be used in production but will be reusable in test scripts, then a TestUtils.pm or the likes would make sense as a home for those
14:13 phasefx so far I have put register_workstation, do_checkin, and do_checkout into Cronscript
14:13 phasefx those seem like they could stay there
14:14 berick hmm, if a TestUtils.pm is made, that would be a better place for those, imo
14:15 phasefx I'll go ahead and make a TestUtils.pm then; the idea is that it would be an installed perl module?  not something that gets loaded out of the source tree?
14:16 berick not sure what dbs had in mind, exactly, but I don't think it would hurt to install it.  but it would be loaded from source (for make check), i assume
14:18 phasefx these particular tests assume a running instance of EG as it is
14:18 berick ah, right
14:18 phasefx and don't get called during make check
14:18 berick in which case, scratch my load-from-source comment
15:18 bshum Cause this all just seems like something is not in sync, either the VMs or the database being reset.
15:24 rangi dbs++
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15:47 bshum But of course, the first sample bib I pick doesn't work correctly
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15:48 bshum dbs: So I installed the commits from bug 1214012 to test the schema.org stuff and then went to that google.com page to test site pages directly to see.
15:48 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1214012 in Evergreen "Schema.org enhancements: holdings and RDFa Lite" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1214012
15:49 bshum The first bib I tried, which was 27 in the concerto fed me a "Error: Incomplete rdfa with schema.org." at the end of the entries.
15:49 bshum Though I'm still reading up to figure out what that means exactly.
15:50 bshum Going to go do some more reading now.
15:57 Joe_L Question: I'm working on configuring action-trigger events and responses, specifically sending an email when an item is one day overdue.  The action_trigger.event database table shows events marked as 'complete', but no emails were sent.
15:57 Joe_L Is there a log somewhere I can check?
16:00 paxed perhaps /var/log/mail.err etc
16:01 paxed also, test if you send mail manually from the server command line
16:04 Joe_L That's where things get hairy.  I'm using an SMTP server which, for IPs within the private LAN doesn't need authentication.  So I'll enter, for example, mail.orgx.com as the SMTP server name in /openils/conf/opensrf.xml but there aren't any spaces for port or encryption.  None is necessary for this test, but the config options are very spartan.
16:06 jeff_ my suggestion at this point would be that if you need to authenticate to an SMTP server, you use a local SMTP server to perform that authentication -- have your local MTA listen on localhost only, accept everything, and relay it to a remote relay/smarthost using the credentials/etc required.
16:08 Joe_L The oddity is that for servers on this particular LAN there isn't authentication or even encryption required.  I suppose my question is whether there's a documented function-call-stack visible anywhere for what happens during the "sendEmail" reactor execution.
16:09 Joe_L at least something I can trace along and see where the failure is appearing.
16:57 jeff_ Joe_L++
16:57 jeff_ :-)
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17:09 Joe_L bshum: I was doing some testing and managed to force every event in the series into an '
17:09 Joe_L 'error' state, but the emails still sent.  Where are errors logged?
17:32 dbs bshum: how did you test with the rich snippets tool - copy and paste, or pointing at a bib via a URI?
17:39 Joe_L I'll continue testing tomorrow and see what scenarios break this script.  Thanks again for the debugging help and have a great night!

Results for 2013-08-21

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04:57 iti_czech_republ hello to everyone. i am testing the evergreen right now and i nedd some help..
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10:46 paxed dbs: shall i rebase bug 1196837 branch to master right now?
10:46 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1196837 in Evergreen "Javascript escape() is deprecated, replace it with encodeURIComponent()" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196837
10:47 dbs paxed: sure
10:47 dbs paxed: it looked like the conflicting files could just be dropped out, but I wondered if there were other data: uri uses in play
10:48 dbs paxed: you're using the branch in your test systems?
10:49 * rfrasur agrees with kmlussier - just about anything with a logo.
10:51 csharp @blame the rain
10:51 pinesol_green csharp: the rain musta been an Apple employee.
14:30 jeffdavis FYI if you don't want to consult the bot in-channel, you can send it a private message: /msg pinesol_green marc 505
14:34 rfrasur There ya go Indiana Iron Maiden fans. Live from Birmingham UK - Maiden England '88
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14:49 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Scott] Make C unit tests more robust - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e5a3ee7>
15:04 rfrasur okay, I'm sick of this.  No more cataloging.  Ever.  Until tomorrow.
15:04 * rfrasur is going home.
15:06 csharp marc--

Results for 2013-08-20

11:28 kivilahtio ejabberd tutorial says I need to convert my database, but I can't even start my ejabberdctl to do it
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11:34 dbs berick: I hope to give "Modularize Makefile.install" a shot with Fedora today
11:34 * csharp is setting up a test vm now to test 12.04
11:38 kivilahtio http://pastebin.com/D2m4yCbU
11:38 kivilahtio Changing hosts directive broke my ejabberd
11:39 kivilahtio quite frankly maybe I am doing something incredibly stupid
12:38 mrpeters does anyone have documentation for the "Age Overdues to Lost" feature?   I can't seem to find any...
12:40 bshum mrpeters: I don't think there was ever any official documentation created for that.
12:40 bshum It was back in those early 1.6 days.
12:40 kmlussier I'm testing available copy hold ratios in circ policies today. Working much better now that bug 1103706 has been fixed, but I'm confused by the message I received when I try renewing an item in the public catalog.
12:40 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1103706 in Evergreen "Hold ratios in circ policies cause errors when trying to renew items" (affected: 2, heat: 16) [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103706
12:41 kmlussier The message says failed to renew 1 item and shows "config.circ_matrix_test.a​vailable_copy_hold_ratio" below the title I tried to remove.
12:41 kmlussier But we have http://pastebin.com/A4YdZkSs in hold_error_messages.tt2
12:59 pinesol_green paxed: The formatted number used for sound recordings, printed music, and videorecordings. Publisher's numbers that are given in an unformatted form are recorded in field 500 (General Note). A print constant identifying the kind of publisher number may be generated based on the value in the first indicator position. (Repeatable) [a,b,6,8]
13:00 paxed missing 028q
13:02 paxed kivilahtio: onkohan konversiossa virhe. 028d-kenttää ei ole formaatin mukaan olemassa, ja meillä on siellä dataa... en tiedä sit olisko pitäny mennä 028q:hun.
13:04 * dbs testing user/dbs/modularize_makefile_fedora fixes
13:24 berick dbs++
13:24 dbs hmm, "make check" fails with a fatal error of not being able to find openils/oils_utils.h
13:26 dbs wonder if that's because it's expecting to find /openils/include because it would normally be tested on a machine on which Evergreen had already been installed before
13:29 dbs Yep, soon as I install Evergreen, "make check" passes. Obviously a bug, -I needs to include a local path pointing to the source tree instead of relying on the installed headers
13:31 dbs well actually... make check fails with 2 instances of "cannot open liboils_util.so.2", which suggests that it would rely on the installed libs + ldconfig for that, too
13:32 dbs Yeah, once they're installed and "ldconfig" is run, it works. But that's not really how "make check" is supposed to work.
13:34 jeff yeah. ideally it would not only not rely on them being installed, but also ignore them if they are installed.
13:35 jeff not having written a make check target before, i don't know how that is typically accomplished, but i'd imagine there's some common practice there.
13:36 jeff gnu make manual is incredibly helpful. ;-) 'you should write the self-tests so that they work when the program is built but not installed'
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13:42 kmlussier Looking at my config.circ_matrix_test.available_copy_hold_ratio problem again, I see that most of my renewal failure messages come from ils_events.xml, but config.circ_matrix_test.available_copy_hold_ratio is not there. Is it something that could be easily added there? I'm not quite sure where the event codes come from in that file.
13:42 kmlussier Or is there another place I should be looking to customize that message?
13:50 gmcharlt jeff: does the manual also advise eating one's brocolli? ;)
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13:59 csharp berick: tested the modular makefile on ubuntu 12.04 - completed with no errors
14:02 berick csharp++
14:04 dbs berick: I managed to make it through with the additional commit from user/dbs/modularize_makefile_fedora in place
14:05 dbs still some room to clean up the Fedora install docs (running postgresql initdb & enabling host connections, for example) but that additional commit would be good. I'll signoff and push your commit
14:05 phasefx dbs: jeff: is bug 1210601 what you guys are talking about?
14:05 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1210601 in Evergreen "C unit tests need to include/link to files directly out of the source tree" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210601
14:06 dbs csharp: you signing off somewhere?
14:06 dbs phasefx: yes
14:06 csharp dbs: berick may be including my initial signoff on the ubuntu pieces I started and he fixed

Results for 2013-08-19

16:24 dboyle KCLS is moving from 2.2.5 to 2.4.1, and we are noticing that many staff client opac pages are now referenced by oils://remote. Is there a good starting point for understanding the impact of this change?
16:30 senator dboyle: it's an artifact of work done to make the staff client work with newer versions of xulrunner (> 3.x) than it used to work with in pre-2.3 versions of evergreen. you may want to read here https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/942134 and also read what you find by googling for "evergreen new xulrunner" or similar
16:30 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 942134 in Evergreen "Improve Firefox/XULRunner Support" (affected: 1, heat: 12) [Medium,Fix released]
16:32 dboyle <senator> Thanks for the starting point. I'll take a look.
17:00 dboyle mtcarlson: I tested out the slideshow changes locally, and pushed a branch github/staging_push_20130819. I can put this on staging whenever you like, unless you want to do it yourself.
17:01 dboyle wrong message - please disregard previous message - apologies.
17:03 rfrasur @love explaining Evergreen stuff to member libraries
17:03 rfrasur dumb space
17:04 rfrasur @love explaining Evergreen stuff to member libraries

Results for 2013-08-18

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14:16 Topic for #evergreen is now Welcome to the #evergreen library system channel! | We are publicly logged. | Large pastes at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org
14:37 bshum Testing new version of ilbot for logging.
14:38 paxed ah
14:39 jcamins pinesol_green: Can. You. Here. Me?!?
14:39 pinesol_green jcamins: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)

Results for 2013-08-16

08:46 senator kmlussier: ooh, i bet you're right
08:46 graced kmlussier: smart thinking!
08:47 kmlussier Well, we had a consortium that had both running at one point, so it was easy to make that connection.
08:50 csharp Sara Paulk used to be in a PINES library (general interest observation)
08:53 csharp more trivia... we also decided that we are probably related since there are many Paulks on my mom's south Georgia side from the same area as her family
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08:55 csharp okay - so our libraries have just discovered that dupe name/address checking is restricting its scope to the workstation OU (or its system) when it used to be doing a consortium-wide check (in the patron reg screen)
08:56 csharp we don't use opt-in, so it's not that (set to "false" in opensrf.xml and no YAOUS settings in place)
08:56 csharp I tested setting opt-in to true and setting the boundary and default to "0" (expecting that to be consortium) - no change
08:57 kmlussier https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1185524
08:57 csharp the code in register.js appears to scope the search to "0" unless opt-in is in place, so I'm kind of at the end of knowing what to check next
08:57 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1185524 in Evergreen "duplicate patron checking in the user editor is limited to the workstation OU" (affected: 4, heat: 20) [Undecided,Incomplete] - Assigned to Kyle Tomita (tomitakyle)
09:42 senator csharp: were you able to work something up on 1185524 yet?
09:42 rfrasur Maybe I need to change my permission so that I acrue fines.
09:42 csharp senator: I was just experimenting with hard-coding the search_ou, but not really
09:43 senator i have a branch along the lines of eeevil's suggestions you could test
09:43 csharp oh - excllent
09:43 csharp excellent, that is
09:43 csharp cool - hard-coding does work ;-)
09:45 senator https://bugs.launchpad.net/eve​rgreen/+bug/1185524/comments/6
09:45 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1185524 in Evergreen "duplicate patron checking in the user editor is limited to the workstation OU" (affected: 4, heat: 22) [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Kyle Tomita (tomitakyle)
09:45 csharp senator: awesome - I'll test
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09:49 * rfrasur does the "we got a new board member and it's the one we requested" dance.
09:52 senator kmlussier++
10:02 csharp s/interested/interesting/
10:04 csharp senator: works in 2.3.6
10:05 csharp senator++
10:08 senator thanks for brining it back up and testing! signoff appreciated
10:08 kmlussier csharp: I wonder if they really want a separate search, though, or if they just miss some features and the fact that it was easier to get to some searches, like numeric and MARC expert, in jspac. Having heard the same complaints here.
10:08 kmlussier I think tsbere's work that allows staff to set a default search tab in the staff client will help with some of that here.
10:09 csharp kmlussier: I'm sure you're right
23:27 mrpeters ill copy from example and start fresh
23:27 mrpeters worth a shot
23:27 dbs 401 = HTTP 401 Unauthorized
23:28 mrpeters apache not running a problem?
23:28 mrpeters i didnt think it had to be for just doing the opensrf smoke test
23:28 dbs no, just explaining where the "401" came from
23:28 mrpeters right on, thanks.  i didn't realize it was http related
23:28 dbs it's not, really. just trying to use familiar error codes.

Results for 2013-08-15

13:03 rfrasur #info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur, Hagerstown Library/Evergreen Indiana
13:03 kmlussier Ok, let's move on and people can keep introducing themselves as they arrive.
13:04 afterl #info afterl is Amy Terlaga (guest)
13:04 kmlussier #topic Action items from last meeting
13:04 kmlussier #info action items were (a) moodaepo to e-mail link to test site to the list for feedback, (b) StephenGWills to work on member directory/map for web site. (c) hbrennan and kmlussier to work on layout/design issues for downloads page. (d) kmlussier will send out another Doodle to schedule a regular meeting time.
13:05 kmlussier moodaepo: Your action item is up first. Anything to report?
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13:05 moodaepo kmlussier: bshum is the man with the test server plan. I haven't emailed it out yet but if he gives the go ahead I will do so today.
13:05 kmlussier ok, bshum will be giving an update further down in the agenda.
13:05 bshum kmlussier: It's an old agenda item, we're probably past test server at this point.
13:06 moodaepo bshum++
13:06 kmlussier StephenGWills isn't here, so let's table his action item until we see him again.
13:07 kmlussier For my action items, I made contact with hbrennan on downloads page, but my vacation got in the way. We'll touch base and report back to the web team list.
13:22 bshum Though with Firefox 23 removing the option for no-JS and setting everybody back to using it, I have wondered about that limitation long-term.
13:23 RoganH I personally don't see many users living without JS.
13:23 RoganH Very, very few.
13:23 bshum Maybe given the new timeline, if moodaepo gets around to sending out the link to the test site, we can solicit ideas for improving the existing theme or picking some new ones.
13:23 bshum #link Link to current test site for notes: http://wp.evergreen-ils.org
13:23 gmcharlt I was one of the ones who had a expressed a non-JS concern -- but the main issue was that (IIRC) one of the initial themes that was tested *completely* failed to work without JS
13:24 moodaepo bshum: I can send out the link and maybe the couple of themes we've looked at also but require javascript for full functionality
13:24 gmcharlt as no, no content was rendered
13:24 bshum gmcharlt: Right, that was an unfortunate bad theme.

Results for 2013-08-09

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09:28 csharp jcamins: not that I've seen - I'd be interested if so
09:30 jcamins csharp: yeah, I was just noticing that 2s seems to be fairly normal for OPACs, which seems to me to be somewhat beyond the realm of "acceptable" in a website.
09:31 csharp quick tests of PINES' opac on a good network connection using FF23's Tools -> Web Developer -> Network feature shows 2s on the low end and 7s on the high end of keyword searches
09:31 csharp jcamins: agreed
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11:20 jcamins rfrasur: that does say something about our culture, doesn't it?
11:22 jboyer-isl Has anyone run into issues where the report interface will say it's using an inner join, but the generated sql uses left outer?
11:22 rfrasur jcamins: To answer briefly something that is a HUGE discussion - Yes.  Apparently, my three sons aren't welcome there.  That is all.  I shall take a walk and let it go.
11:23 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Wells] Add new get_combined_holdings() method to MFHD.pm - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=83f8420>
11:23 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Wells] Tie in new MFHD method to serials module/MFHD tests for compressing, combining - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=fbe9e5a>
11:23 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Wells] Fix logic in get_compressed_holdings() - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=07b28a0>
11:23 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Wells] Solidify caption/holding relationship, improve MFHD::Holding comparisons - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=a6f3e3b>
11:24 csharp jboyer-isl: using nullability selection?
11:24 eeevil jboyer-isl: are you sure it /says/ it's using an inner join, and not a "default" join? some default joins are, indeed, left joins
11:26 jboyer-isl You bet. I'm working with stat cats, so I wanted to limit it to patrons who have a specific SC set, and to a specific value. There's an "(inner)" in the source specifier box in the lower right. I also noticed that it's including an IS NULL OR ... for those, and an actual inner join on our_unit id.

Results for 2013-08-08

10:53 _bott_ my slony-foo was never near that of eeevil:, I'm sure
10:53 paxed @marc 050
10:53 pinesol_green paxed: A classification or call number that is taken from Library of Congress Classification or LC Classification Additions and Changes. The brackets that customarily surround alternate class/call numbers are not carried in the MARC record; they may be generated based on the presence of repeated $a subfields. (Repeatable) [a,b,3,6,8]
10:53 jboyer-isl Ah, ok. It's the all-or-nothing that I really want, and I will hopefully have the luxury of a long test period before it has to go live to shake out any config stuff. :)
10:53 paxed <description>Classification or call number that is taken from or . The brackets that
10:54 paxed en-US marc edit tooltip for 050
10:54 * paxed files a bug

Results for 2013-08-07

00:08 paxed berick: yeah, i seemed to recall the concat wouldn't work, but i was too tired to test it, so went to bed.
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01:23 paxed berick: nit: "Cirulation" in the commit message
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Results for 2013-08-06

09:51 pastebot "paxed" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "opensrf compile error" (10 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/13
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09:53 eby thanks Dyrcona , tsbere , collum
09:53 paxed (this is on debian testing)
09:57 paxed oh. sprintf without format string.
09:57 * paxed goes to report a bug and fix it
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10:33 paxed would it make sense reporting a bug because apache2ctl configtest complains ... but i'm running debian testing?
10:55 tsbere paxed: complains about what?
10:55 tsbere If it appears to be a valid problem (or potential problem later) a bug report isn't a bad thing
10:55 paxed AH00671: The Alias directive in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/eg.conf at line 56 will probably never match because it overlaps an earlier ScriptAlias.
12:38 Dyrcona heh. It kinda helps to execute your queries after binding the parameters, huh? ;)
12:43 paxed dbs: using the 2.4 configs doesn't help, i still get the same warnings from apache2ctl
12:43 paxed i'll file a bug
12:45 pinesol_green [evergreen|Pasi Kallinen] Prevent paste from empty clipboard throwing an error - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f25cc39>
12:49 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Etheridge] Fix org unit setting names for this example test - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=de357ea>
12:49 rjackson-isl any administrators have advice on cleaning up the action_trigger (event and event_output) tables? Do you have a standing policy such as deleting any that are complete and over a year old?
12:50 rjackson-isl Evergreen Indiana currently has space issues and 26+ million action_trigger.event rows
12:50 rfrasur (holy heckama)
13:07 Dyrcona As in "This parrot is no more!"
13:08 rfrasur in that case, I'd say delete those A/T, rjackson-isl
13:08 Dyrcona trouble is, the at runner might say, hey! i have to run these.
13:08 mmorgan did a lot of testing on notice triggers lately, and had great success getting triggers to run again once the rows for the event_def were deleted from action_trigger.event
13:09 mmorgan good for testing, but as bshum points out, if they are valid, they'll run again
13:10 rjackson-isl is ther any easy way to determine which ones you can delete without making a mess with the notices then?
13:11 Dyrcona rjackson-isl: I'd suggest you look at auditor tables if you're looking for some low hanging fruit to reduce database size.
13:12 rjackson-isl Dyrcona we are purging off of the auditors already
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14:07 Dyrcona And, for my final feat, I shall mess up my training database with a test load of 12,000 patrons!
14:07 rfrasur I have some patrons that could REALLY mess it up.
14:07 * rfrasur will donate.
14:08 Dyrcona It is always fun when you're loading patrons, and they are already in the database. :)
14:10 rfrasur hah, reminds of a new book about the 2012 election
14:11 Dyrcona And, only 1 patron falls on the floor because of a duplicate usrname key. That is exactly what I expected!
14:11 Dyrcona The test is successful!
14:11 Dyrcona Now, back to your regularly-scheduled programming.
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14:18 pinesol_green [opensrf|Bill Erickson] LP#1188195: Default per-process client locale (Perl) - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p​=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=8524849>
14:18 pinesol_green [opensrf|Galen Charlton] LP#1188195: add tests for setting default client locale - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p​=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=8a4ee2d>
14:19 gmcharlt general heads up that I've created the LP milestone for OpenSRF 2.2.1
14:20 gmcharlt if there are any current pullrequests that you want targeted for consideration for a release next week, please target them now
14:41 gsams Does anyone have an example library that uses syndetics with Evergreen?  I'm looking to see how it integrates with the catalog so that I can show a prospective library that uses it currently

Results for 2013-08-03

09:35 Dyrcona jcamins: Yeah, I can, but I still need to process the whole file.
09:35 Dyrcona ;)
09:35 jcamins Ah.
09:36 Dyrcona Actually, I'll pull out the problem record for this test.
09:37 Dyrcona grep -m 19067 -n '</record>' mvlcmarc.xml
09:39 jcamins Hey, any suggestions for what I can do with a whole bunch of lychee?
09:39 Dyrcona sed -e '1651638,1651713 w record.xml' -i mvlcmarc.xml

Results for 2013-08-01

09:16 Dyrcona Bingo!
09:16 kmlussier Dyrcona++
09:16 rfrasur Dyrcona++
09:17 Dyrcona kmlussier++ #For testing billing development without realizing it. :)
09:17 * Dyrcona makes a note to do something more permanent when he gets home this evening.
09:17 rfrasur kmlussier++ #for good discussion/points on bug squashing
09:17 kmlussier Dyrcona: Never hurts to get an early start on testing! ;)
09:18 Dyrcona I'm going to check our training server just to be sure.
09:19 Dyrcona It might be something that went in recently, but I doubt it is a problem without my void payment code also being in place.
09:20 Dyrcona tsbere: I think I just realized why you still use 2.3.0 as the production version. :)
09:38 Dyrcona Though I use Ubuntu, I'm really starting to dislike it in a serious way.
09:38 asimon bshum: Yes, OpenSRF 2.2.0 supports Wheezy.
09:38 csharp Dyrcona: what issues are you seeing?
09:38 bshum csharp: That and testing for some of us :(
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09:39 Dyrcona csharp: Frequently busted packages that stay busted, among other things.
09:39 csharp hmm
09:42 krvmga which tt2 file is displaying this data?
09:43 bshum dbs: Oh in that case, it's the old dupe bug 1014724
09:43 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1190279 in Evergreen "duplicate for #1014724 Modularize Makefile.install" (affected: 3, heat: 16) [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1190279
09:43 bshum Which blah
09:43 bshum Points the wrong way
09:43 bshum I tested berick's code for supporting wheezy now, but it used more CPAN than packages so I wanted to poke it further.
09:43 * dbs kind of hates when new bugs live on, and the old bugs get closed as a duplicate. a bit.
09:43 asimon Dyrcona: Yes,  "libpq-dev is already the newest version."
09:44 dbs kind of gives a false view of history.
09:51 asimon csharp: Installing Evergreen before PostgreSQL 9.2 would solve this problem, no?
09:51 * berick wonders where csharp got w/ his ubuntu experiment for bug #1190279
09:51 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1190279 in Evergreen "Modularize Makefile.install" (affected: 3, heat: 16) [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1190279
09:51 csharp asimon: I think this is an APT level problem and that shouldn't matter (theoretically)
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09:53 csharp berick: my branch is here: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working​/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/​user/csharp/ubuntu-per-distro-makefile - I got stalled out when CPAN was breaking on the 12.04 install
09:53 csharp berick: I've been assuming the error is mine and when I spent a couple of hours trying to find it, I lost steam :-/
09:54 csharp 10.04 installed okay in my test
09:54 csharp my test only extended to seeing if the Makefile.install script finished without errors
09:55 csharp asimon: interesting, I don't see a 9.2 branch here: http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/pool/
09:56 berick csharp: gotcha, thanks for the recap.  i'll try to carve out a chunk of time soon to eyeball your branch
09:56 berick would be nice to get these in
09:56 csharp berick: thanks - I'll look again too
10:00 dbs asimon: quite possibly. IIRC, there had been some question about PostgreSQL 9.2 support leading up to the 2.4 release, but AFAIK there's nothing preventing 9.2 from actually working
10:00 Dyrcona dbs asimon: 9.2 works we've used it in our training and development servers.
10:01 asimon dbs: Equinox Support has blessed PostgreSQL 9.2.
10:01 * dbs seems to recall suggesting at some point that we make very clear statements about what distros / major dependencies are officially supported for particular releases as a standard process thing
10:02 dbs Dyrcona: yeah, I've been using 9.2 on Fedora for a few months now too. but I don't hit all the pieces of Evergreen in my day-to-day testing
10:06 csharp asimon: ah - I didn't look in /main
10:07 asimon csharp: Note that Dyrcona has provided a different repo.
10:08 csharp Dyrcona: asimon: thanks - getting my head turned around
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11:19 mcooper berick++ too -- that looks great
11:20 krvmga this is just a report back. in misc_util.tt2 adding the code -- or @code="h" -- to line 37 did not break anything and got me the GMD display in the title that i was looking for.
11:21 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Etheridge] Eliminate a warning in Z3950.pm - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e455913>
11:21 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Etheridge] Test for an MFHD warning in 14-OpenILS-Utils.t - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=11f04ea>
11:21 krvmga just for sanity, in my misc_util.tt2, i also changed line 36 'abmp' to 'abhmp'
11:22 berick nc_cardinal++ # bug 1207396
11:22 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1207396 in Evergreen "Patron self-registration form" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207396 - Assigned to Bill Erickson (erickson-esilibrary)
11:24 jeff_ uses the pending / staging user tables.
11:24 rfrasur yes...and they hooked up a way to capture patron signatures (though I can't remember why right now...even though it was important)
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11:25 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Etheridge] The check library for Debian and Fedora - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ace3d99>
11:25 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Etheridge] C unit test examples for Evergreen - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=33b6b48>
11:25 egbuilder build #268 of evergreen-master-ubuntu-12.04-x86 is complete: Failure [failed test]  Build details are at http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/buildbot/builde​rs/evergreen-master-ubuntu-12.04-x86/builds/268  blamelist: Jason Etheridge <jason@esilibrary.com>
11:25 egbuilder build #234 of evergreen-master-fedora-18 is complete: Failure [failed test]  Build details are at http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/buildbot/bu​ilders/evergreen-master-fedora-18/builds/234  blamelist: Jason Etheridge <jason@esilibrary.com>
11:26 egbuilder build #292 of evergreen-master-debian-6.00-x86_64 is complete: Failure [failed test]  Build details are at http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/buildbot/builder​s/evergreen-master-debian-6.00-x86_64/builds/292  blamelist: Jason Etheridge <jason@esilibrary.com>
11:26 phasefx ruh roh
11:26 rfrasur jeff_: Do your libraries require picture ID?
11:26 graced jeff_: neat!  Where's the commit for that patron self-reg?
11:27 rfrasur right...I was thinking that was bott
11:27 * paxed is leery of leaving any kind of form that adds data to the database open without any kind of captcha.
11:28 rfrasur paxed: it's not difficult to add that though, right?
11:28 eeevil phasefx: no worries. buildslaves just need Test::Warn installed, it looks like
11:28 csharp ubuntu and fedora slaves look ok
11:29 bshum buildbot++
11:29 paxed rfrasur: nah. i've even rolled my own captchas for some small sites.
11:34 bshum Dyrcona: It's a sign!
11:35 Dyrcona Time to take up potato farming!
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11:36 berick jeff_: if you have the time and feel like eyeballing my design doc for self-reg, i'd appreciate any input/suggestions you might have.  real_world_experience++
11:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Etheridge] pgTAP examples - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c36c86e>
11:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] start adding pgTAP test cases - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=bb98f3f>
11:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] use .pg extension for pgTAP test cases - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=97983b6>
11:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] add regression test for LP#1155329 - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=bd4d765>
11:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Etheridge] Use the .pg extension - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=7e8eec6>
11:37 egbuilder build #270 of evergreen-master-ubuntu-12.04-x86 is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/buildbot/builde​rs/evergreen-master-ubuntu-12.04-x86/builds/270
11:38 dbs phasefx et al: the test failures for buildbot are a good note to project-self that new prereqs should be called out in a specific section in release notes
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11:38 eeevil dbs: agreed
11:38 phasefx dbs: sounds good
11:40 Dyrcona OK. Works for me with either name.
11:41 eeevil well, I should clarify that. I was thinking what I said /after/ Dyrcona mentioned a separate section...
11:41 dbs "Upgrade notes" -> "New prerequisites" subsection, perhaps.
11:41 csharp okay - I installed Test::Warn from respective distro repos and did general updates/reboots on fedora and ubuntu buildslaves
11:42 dbs csharp: cool, resubmitted build
11:43 egbuilder build #237 of evergreen-master-fedora-18 is complete: Success [build successful]  Build details are at http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/buildbot/bu​ilders/evergreen-master-fedora-18/builds/237
11:43 dbs csharp++
11:44 csharp dbs: let me know if you'd like to either upgrade this one to F19 or build a separate F19 server
11:45 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Etheridge] make-pgtap-tests.pl - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d6ec452>
11:45 dbs csharp: IMO, whenever you want to upgrade to F19. no rush :)
11:45 csharp ok - understood
11:46 bshum Dyrcona: tsbere: If either of you have time to poke again at bug 1204273, please do.  Hoping to unbreak master in those areas.
11:46 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1204273 in Evergreen "bugs introduced with making state not required" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1204273
11:46 gmcharlt eeevil: you do realize that I now need to add a test case to catch instances of the misspelling "Moar"? ;)
11:47 * csharp installs Test::Moar on the buildslaves too
11:47 gmcharlt csharp++
11:47 csharp I CAN HAZ UNIT TESTZ?
11:48 rfrasur csharp++

Results for 2013-07-31

08:25 csharp heh
08:25 bshum That's what led me to poke at it.
08:26 bshum If I have a moment later this morning, I'll dust off my branch.
08:27 csharp I believe 'LEFT JOIN actor.card circ_card ON circ_u.card = circ_card.id' will accomplish what I'm trying to fix
08:27 csharp since users can have multiple active cards now too
08:27 * csharp is testing the view query now
08:28 csharp oh, and for the logs, we're discussing bug 1072892
08:28 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1072892 in Evergreen "reporter.classic_item_list view creates repeated rows" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1072892
08:28 bshum csharp++
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10:11 csharp eeevil: thanks - I'll look into window functions
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10:17 pastebot "eeevil" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "possible replacement for csharp" (9 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/14
10:17 csharp eeevil++
10:18 csharp I'll test it
10:18 eeevil csharp: there are many more than that one to convert, of course. and I'm testing on an empty db, so the syntax works but we may need to add window range conditions
10:18 csharp good to know
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10:26 csharp eeevil: that returns a list of rows rather than a single row (though the last one has the correct total owed)
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13:19 csharp eeevil: I've been working on the other money views.  The only ones I'm unsure how to approach conversion with are money.billable_xact_summary_new and money.billable_xact_with_void_summary since they are pretty complicated with subqueries
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13:24 eeevil csharp: I don't have time to look currently, but I would say toss the ones you have up as a branch for testing and signoff and we can address the remainders later
13:24 eeevil csharp++
13:25 csharp will do - thanks for your help!
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Results for 2013-07-30

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09:21 mmorgan jboyer-isl: your suggestion to delete rows from the action_trigger.event table worked, I was able to rerun my test trigger. Thanks!
09:22 jboyer-isl Good to hear. maybe now I can clean up some of the failed events that are sitting around in ours. :D
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09:33 bshum So I'm getting some javascript errors on large pull lists when using the "Clear Hold Shelf" option directly off the Circulation menu actions.
14:13 dbwells jeff_: Let me know whenever you are done with your latest NCIP commits, and I will pull those into the jonscott repo right away.
14:13 jeff_ dbwells: thanks!
14:14 jeff_ dbwells: are you guys using the duplicate message detection? i've removed it in https://github.com/tadl/iNCIPit/commit/5​37b6a763ae6ec1a48d1bd9439daa177436f3bf1
14:15 dbwells jeff_: If your testing shows it should be removed, I have no issue with removing it.
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14:22 Dyrcona FWIW, I thought it should be removed the first time that I tried testing iNCIPit.
14:24 jeff_ In testing, we rarely received duplicate messages (other than those that were legit retries after a failure to respond properly). The duplicate message detection was apparently due to an old issue that is no longer an issue, and it can cause problems such as failure to auth the same patron twice in a row.
14:24 jeff_ Also, it would require shared storage or a modification to use memcache to work in multi-server environments, so I was pleased when told by MeLCat staff that it should no longer be needed. :-)
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14:29 bshum Am I back?  Maybe...
15:45 jventuro I was wondering the same thing about email requests.  Should I have requesters respond to the list, or directly to me.
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15:46 jventuro I have no problem with doing that, chtrotter.  I am the list admin :)
15:46 AaronZ-PLS Looking for an action trigger hook to send a test email every day, is there one that would work?
15:47 jventuro Hi AaronZ-PLS.  We're having a meeting at the moment.  Would you mind tabling your question for 15 minutes or so?
15:48 AaronZ-PLS Willdo.
15:49 jventuro Thanks!
16:16 pinesol_green Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2013/evergreen.2013-07-30-15.00.html
16:16 pinesol_green Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2013/evergreen.2013-07-30-15.00.txt
16:16 pinesol_green Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2013/evergreen.2013-07-30-15.00.log.html
16:17 AaronZ-PLS Looking for an action trigger hook to send a test email every day, is there one that would work?
16:21 paxed AaronZ-PLS: if you just want to send a test email, you could just invoke mail directly from crontab ...?
16:21 AaronZ-PLS paxed: Could do that, but looking to make action triggers arent hanging as well as making sure email is happy from end to end
16:36 gsams AaronZ-PLS: I know it wouldn't be quite as informative, but the mail log should be a pretty good indication of whether action triggers are working or not.  I can't say that I've tried looking into it in any other way myself.
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08:51 jboyer-isl mmorgan: Did you have any luck with your A/T testing?
08:52 mmorgan Haven't tried yet. Planning on doing it this morning - barring interruptions.
08:53 jboyer-isl Good luck!
08:53 mmorgan Thanks!
16:16 Dyrcona Yes, it should have that branch. I made the branch on the 23rd and have added a few more commits from master.
16:17 kmlussier Dyrcona: Thanks for the confirmation.
16:34 rfrasur bshum: Have a great rest of your bday.  I'm off.
16:43 mmorgan jboyer-isl: got some a/t testing and and your suggestion delete from action_trigger.event where event_def=(The event id you're testing) worked like a charm. I was able to rerun the trigger.
16:44 mmorgan didn't actually bother deleting from action_trigger.event_output, though if I was being tidy, I would do that too.
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Results for 2013-07-26

14:00 jeff email and IM are poor methods of revision control.
14:01 Dyrcona Yes, they are.
14:01 Dyrcona I use git as a sort of distribution mechanism, too.
14:02 Dyrcona I edit the code on the laptop and then push to the server to test it.
14:02 * jeff nods
14:07 jeff fieldmapper alias typos are one of those "probably really difficult to fix" things.
14:09 Dyrcona Could be....
14:56 yboston Dyrcona:  Thanks. I guess setting active=false  could be helpful if I change my mind so it is easy to reinstate? any other reasons off the top of your head?
14:56 Dyrcona yboston: It's just what I typically do rather than delete.
14:57 yboston Dyrcona: thanks for the info and sharing your preferred workflow
14:57 kmlussier Dyrcona++
14:57 kmlussier I forgot include you in all the thanks I sent yesterday when signing off on the bib browse code, so I'm sending along karma now instead.
14:58 kmlussier Dyrcona can not get enough good karma for all the assistance he gives me when I'm testing code. :)
15:18 csharp @karma Dyrcona
15:18 pinesol_green csharp: Karma for "Dyrcona" has been increased 382 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 379.
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15:52 mmorgan I'm trying to test an action trigger. Is there a recommended way to remove rows from the database so I can tweak and retest?
16:06 jboyer-isl mmorgan: A guess I'm thinking of testing soon: delete from action_trigger.event where event_def=(The event id you're testing). You could add additional clauses for add_time, state, etc. if needed.
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16:08 jboyer-isl but note that I've not tried it yet.
16:10 mmorgan Thanks, anything I try will be on a test server :). Will deleting the row from action_trigger.event also remove rows from action_trigger.event_output?
16:10 mmorgan or can those just stay there and not bother anybody?
16:10 jboyer-isl Ah, I doubt it.
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16:10 jboyer-isl Cleaning them up might make testing easier, if that's where you're looking for success/failure.
16:14 mmorgan Good point. I will give this a try on a test server, but maybe not til Monday. Thanks!
16:16 bshum In the old days, we used to just put complete times on unfinished A/T events
16:16 bshum And change the status
16:17 bshum But deleting is also simple too.
16:20 mmorgan I'm fine with updating rather than deleting. I'm testing notices and want to be able to run the same trigger again for the same user.
16:23 mmorgan events for the event_def I'm working with have status complete but complete_ time of null. Can I update these fields to get it to run again after I make changes to the template?
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16:49 bshum mmorgan: Hmm, I'd say, probably
16:50 bshum I think we used to do that when we were testing acq EDI
16:50 bshum And it would error out
16:50 bshum So we'd tweak things, then null out the output and complete stuff and try again
16:54 mmorgan Thanks! I'll look at that on Monday, too. Don't want to try anything new on a database on a Friday afternoon.
16:55 kmlussier mmorgan: Go home and enjoy the beautiful weather! ;)
16:55 mmorgan What beautiful weather?? Where?? It's quite gray out my window!

Results for 2013-07-25

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11:08 * rfrasur goes to delegate.
11:11 RoganH If interest is high enough based on the doodle poll I might do two dates.
11:16 csharp okay, so since open-ils.storage.asset.copy.circ_count pulls more than just a raw count from the circ table, I've fixed it (on my test machine) to use action.all_circulation... so now the issue is probably to recreate a new method for grabbing the circ count from extend_reporter.full_circ_count and use that in place of open-ils.storage.asset.copy.circ_count ;-)
11:17 csharp s/recreate/create/
11:17 csharp I'll update the bug with what I've done and we can continue the discussion there
11:21 bshum Huh, why would uploading offline transactions fail on "PERM_FAILURE" where almost all of them list out as needing "CIRC_PERMIT_OVERRIDE"
11:21 rfrasur RoganH++
11:22 bshum I looked at the patron and items and they don't seem to require any override
14:34 jeff_ these libraries use these vendors with {Evergreen|Koha}
14:34 jeff_ etc
14:35 csharp @hates
14:35 pinesol_green csharp hates dojo_hold_policies_interface; SIP; when libraries purchase third party products without testing and blame Evergreen for it not working; reports; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa; evil; and reports more
14:35 rfrasur ooooo....base filters!
14:35 Dyrcona jeff_: EBSCO EDS. It appears to be aimed at academic libraries but one of our publics has signed up for it.
14:37 csharp Dyrcona: I have that same project for PINES libs and GALILEO
18:37 bshum Probably not
18:37 bshum Still, perhaps you've stumbled into a quirky issue area.
18:37 bshum :D
18:37 gsams I suppose it would warrant some testing in some way, since this does appear to be a bug in our system at least
18:38 gsams And I'm not sure if possible incoming libraries would be interested in using this feature
18:38 gsams or current libraries for that matter
18:38 gsams will enquire
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18:48 bshum Well, the code looks like it ought to prompt the user with something.
18:48 bshum I'm going to try testing it on one of our servers to see if it does
18:50 bshum Well the popup worked
18:50 bshum Generated an alert that asks me to verify the hold upon checkin
18:51 bshum So I don't think there's a problem there.
18:52 bshum gsams: Maybe there was something weird with the hold and doing that find another target helped move it on the right path again.
18:52 bshum And that hold verify on the copy location wasn't involved.
18:52 bshum Though good to check and make sure it's what the library wants.
18:53 gsams I did all of those steps before turning it off and it didn't have that behavior then
18:53 bshum Very weird.
18:53 gsams indeed.  I'll take a thorough look into it tonight if I get a chance

Results for 2013-07-24

16:25 dbs gmcharlt: ah, right. so bad incoming XML
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16:28 jeff_ it seemed to be doing that in cases other than where ldr/09 was not 'a'
16:29 jeff_ i can probably give a test case.
16:32 jeff_ i'm not a huge fan of age hold protection rules / policies, so i appreciate the aliased / abbreviated name of config.rule_age_hold_protect.
16:32 jeff_ AND (crahp.age IS NULL OR AGE(NOW(), acp.create_date)) > crahp.age)
16:33 gmcharlt jeff_: I'll await with interest
17:25 jeff_ ah.
17:25 jeff_ having this: use MARC::File::XML ( BinaryEncoding => 'UTF-8' );
17:26 jeff_ then somewhere after an eval having this:         import MARC::File::XML; # reset SAX parser so that one bad record doesn't kill the entire export
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17:28 jeff_ even if it's never hit, because the eval test never fires, the use is still parsed/executed...
17:30 jeff_ so i used marc_export as an example, but not enough of it.
17:31 dbs gmcharlt: I've pushed MARC::File::XML packages for 1.0.1 to Fedora rawhide and 19 testing; in a few days they should be part of stable
17:31 gmcharlt dbs++
17:31 jeff_ and now i know what to look for next time.
17:32 jeff_ i wonder if that's what was causing the marc8 transcoding to show up in profiling on larger batches.

Results for 2013-07-23

10:26 rfrasur mmorgan: thanks.  I noted that it did clear the field but didn't notice a message.  That could be because I added my own though.
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10:27 mmorgan I actually had to reload the patron (F8) to see the message. It didn't refresh until I did that.
10:28 rfrasur okay, I'll go in and test it.  I was wondering if it'd be a good idea to bar email addresses...but I can see that being a bad idea as well.
10:30 jeff there's no current method to do so.
10:30 jeff i've not had need to do so here.
10:31 rfrasur well, honestly, the only need to do it here stems from repeated inaccuracies in input...and a lack of attention.
10:59 jeff jbfink: you're welcome! glad it was somewhat simple to fix!
10:59 jbfink got opensrf like 99% done. Got one problem with the srf shell that I will pick at today.
11:00 jeff jbfink: i'm interested to hear what your thoughts on docker are, perhaps after you've used it more (if it's brand new to you)
11:00 jbfink if this works though it will make deployment (in test instances at least) like about super super easy.
11:00 jbfink I've done some work with it.
11:00 jbfink I would not call myself an expert, but boy, is it something  really intriguing.
11:00 jbfink I did a Koha container for it. :) http://index.docker.io/u/jbfink/koha
11:01 dbs jbfink++
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11:10 rfrasur RoganH: Do you have a minute to talk about the inventory module project?
17:00 rfrasur forEVER!
17:01 rfrasur I wish we could actually get a real circ statistic on it...but will figure that out after it gets rolling and people care enough.
17:02 gsams bshum: I didn't even think to check that at all, thanks again
17:03 bshum gsams: No problem man.  I couldn't remember how it was all setup either :)
17:04 bshum Glad it's not a bug or other problem.
17:06 bshum Dyrcona++ tsbere++ #for live testing the pain and suffering ahead of the rest of us
17:06 bshum (and fixing it)
17:07 Dyrcona Who said anything about fixing it? ;)
17:08 Dyrcona Well, the first attempt caused a different error, but we'll have it by the end of the week, I'm sure.
17:08 * tsbere made things worse, a nicer error for the user, but then a crashed circ backend

Results for 2013-07-22

13:14 bshum Or "Leave transaction open when lost balance equals zero"
13:20 Dyrcona Right, but the circ may stay open if the copy has not been checked in, or maybe that is what the setting was supposed to resolve?
13:21 Dyrcona Been too long since I looked at it last.
13:27 bshum Yeah I can't remember either.
13:27 bshum I would expect it to stay open till it was checked in.
13:27 bshum I guess I could test it.  Maybe after I get lunch.
14:02 ElliotFriend Is it possible in Evergreen to make the "max_number_of_holds" equal to "max_number_checked_out - number_checked_out"?
14:03 Dyrcona ElliotFriend: Not without programming, if I understand your question correctly.
14:03 ElliotFriend Dyrcona: I suspected that would be the case. I also suspect you understood the question :)
14:54 mcooper Phenol: set the org addresses to null if that's a problem
14:56 Dyrcona Phenol: http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwi​ki/doku.php?id=scratchpad:setup
15:00 Phenol Thanks
16:00 dbwells berick: regarding the new AuthProxy code, I think the idea seems fine and an intial review of the code looks good as well.  I'll try to find some time to actually test it and get it pushed.  Thanks for adding it!
16:00 berick dbwells++
16:00 berick thanks
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Results for 2013-07-19

15:00 bshum eeevil++ # speedier bib browse :D
15:00 eeevil senator++ # writing the whole thing
15:00 bshum Yes, senator++
15:01 senator bshum++ helping with testing
15:01 ldwhalen tsbere: thank you
15:01 senator it's a circle of congratulation ;-)
15:01 csharp ldwhalen: <user home dir>\Application Data(or AppData)\(Roaming for Win7)\OpenILS is where the user profiles are stored

Results for 2013-07-18

14:43 StephenGWills nod. kmlussier++
14:43 kmlussier RoganH: I was thinking a vote could wait until we have a real policy to vote on.
14:44 StephenGWills it sounds if, if a motion is needed it would come next meeting?
14:44 gmcharlt yes
14:44 gmcharlt #action kmlussier will draw up an Evergreen version of Koha's support listing policy for consideration by the EOB by the August meeting
14:45 * gmcharlt notes, BTW, that Koha's webmaster uses a particular WordPress plugin, Connections, for managing the directory; has worked well so far
14:45 gmcharlt moving on
14:45 gmcharlt #topic Follow-up on testing meeting
14:45 * StephenGWills makes a note and runs to google
14:45 gmcharlt sborger: you have the follow
14:46 gmcharlt *floor
14:46 sborger I have notes from our conference call which I would like to share but wasn't sure what would be appropriate. Also, I don't have access to Google docs at work. Would the board like to review the notes from the meeting?
14:47 sborger Shall I email Galen or Kathy for them to quickly upload the minutes to Google docs so everyone can review?
14:47 gmcharlt sborger: please
14:48 sborger Since this was the first meeting, I spent much of the time asking questions to find out what has been done in the past and what is presently done in terms of testing Evergreen.
14:48 gmcharlt #info Minutes of the 2013-07-02 testing conference call are at https://docs.google.com/file/d/1ImfRJ​H4V_5xUhTmv_8ni4ekt7_J-4gBU_EGz_lrOI9​renZEO26QpHCwZ3JRL/edit?usp=sharing
14:49 sborger We discussed collaboration with DIG since there certainly is an opportunity there and we don't want to recreate the wheel.
14:50 gmcharlt any questions for sborger?
14:50 sborger Moving forward, it was recommended that we plan another conference call and invite Yamil (DIG), a rep from Equinox (QA project) and a developer (Dan Scott).
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16:41 bshum senator: Hmm, changed that global flag and it still takes about 16-17 seconds
16:42 * bshum now realizes he should have noted what the original value of that flag was.
16:42 senator bshum: it was 100
16:42 senator thanks for the test!
16:42 bshum Gotcha.
16:43 bshum So no, unfortunately no effect it seems
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