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08:34 csharp jeff_: ooh 'tardis' storage - that's an awesome idea
08:35 * csharp now plans to lobby GPLS IT to move away from Harry Potter server names and toward Whovian equivalents
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08:36 Dyrcona We name our servers for who normally uses them or what they do: jason, jasondev, evergreen, dbmanage, db2, mrbackup, etc.
08:37 jboyer-isl Ah, "That's Mr. Backup to you."
08:37 Dyrcona :)
08:41 csharp our production servers are named that way too, but many of our auxiliary servers have more creative names
08:41 csharp the original PINES prod servers had names like "FrankenWeezie" and "Spacely"
08:41 csharp (though the app servers always had boring names)
08:41 Dyrcona When I worked at the University of Kentucky's College of Engineering Computer Center, we named our servers and workstations after aircraft.
08:42 csharp nice
08:42 csharp our LVS servers were "t-bone" and "porkchop" - named for a pair of guards at our data center
08:43 jboyer-isl That would make the occasoinal "X is going down" a lot more interesting.
08:43 csharp jboyer-isl++
08:43 Dyrcona jboyer-isl++
08:43 Dyrcona yeah, "sopwith is going down."
08:44 jboyer-isl Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week.
08:45 Dyrcona sopwith and fokker were two Debian servers used by the students to do their programming homework.
08:45 csharp @eightball what the fok?
08:45 pinesol_green csharp: I doubt it very much.
08:46 Dyrcona galaxy, of course, was our NFS server....
08:46 csharp excellent
08:47 Dyrcona There was one named falcon, but I forget what it was our what it was for.
08:47 Dyrcona This was eleven years ago....
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08:48 Dyrcona I do remember that we built a couple of dual CPU AMD workstations because faculty had asked about us possibly getting some for their use.
08:48 csharp I was using a BSG naming scheme for home servers for a while.  My home desktop PC is still named 'baltar'
08:48 Dyrcona We named them blackbird and foxbat.
08:49 csharp great names
08:50 Dyrcona A little aviation trivia: The Mig-25 Foxbat could actually achieve a higher top speed than the SR-71 Blackbird. However, the engines would burn out and be unrecoverable.
08:51 Dyrcona At home, my "servers" are named styx and mail. You can probably guess what each one does.
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08:52 Dyrcona mail also hosts my personal/business site.
08:52 Dyrcona On an Evergreen-related note, I'm waiting on another database restore.
08:53 Dyrcona I figure the one from Tuesday at midnight is hosed because every time I try to build certain indexes, the process just hangs.
08:58 csharp dev_servers++
08:59 Dyrcona Good thing we didn't need to restore a backup to production.
08:59 paxed my computers are deveel, impervect, and floozy
09:00 Dyrcona Heh.
09:00 Dyrcona I like that, impervect.
09:00 csharp paxed++
09:01 paxed deveel and impervect are Myth Adventures (by Robert Asprin) references
09:02 paxed floozy's the laptop, 'cause she just joins all kinds of networks...
09:02 Dyrcona Heh.
09:06 jeff_ oh look, apple developer systems are still down. grr.
09:06 jeff_ and the play store developer console has stopped loading for me in chrome, but works in Safari.
09:07 jeff_ and my laptop SSD seems to have filled at some point, because Spotlight's indexes appear to be broken
09:08 jeff_ so far, every system i'm dealing with this morning seems to need the computing equivalent of coffee.
09:08 Dyrcona jeff_: You didn't let the smoke out did you?
09:09 jeff_ (except for the host 'coffee' itself)
09:09 jeff_ Dyrcona: not this morning.
09:10 jeff_ Dyrcona: i do have a good story about keeping the magic smoke in just long enough to transfer an important presentation off of a laptop some... 18 years ago?
09:11 jeff_ hrm. sadly, DEBUG.COM is not a memorial to the dos utility of that same name, but appears to be squatted.
09:12 Dyrcona heh
09:12 jeff_ i wonder how much traffic https://developer.apple.com/support/system-status/ is getting over the past 12 or so hours.
09:16 Dyrcona I find it kind of funny that csharp would bring up server names this morning because I was actually consolidating .ssh/config entries on my laptop at the time.
09:19 Dyrcona command.com appears to be selling no mess adhesive strips.
09:19 Dyrcona It appears to be affiliated with 3M somehow, so marginally related to Evergreen. :)
09:20 jeff_ yes, 3M Command Strips -- not to be confused with 3M Command Center
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09:47 csharp I think my question from the other day got lost in the shuffle - how would I go about adding a table (view, actually) to Open-ILS/src/perlmods/lib/OpenILS/Ap​plication/Storage/Driver/Pg/dbi.pm?
09:49 csharp I tried adding action::all_circulation->table( 'action.all_circulation' ); but the storage listener wouldn't start after I'd done that
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09:50 csharp trying to fix bug 1203734 - maybe there's a better approach?
09:50 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1203734 in Evergreen ""Last Few Circulations" total circulation count does not include aged circulations" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1203734
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10:09 bshum csharp: I don't know how it works, but did you define a package for it too?
10:09 bshum (just looking at the other lines in the file)
10:10 csharp bshum: yeah - I parroted exactly what the other lines are doing
10:10 csharp no log errors, but open-ils.storage doesn't start when I do that
10:11 bshum table seems right to me, given that there are other views being called as such I think.
10:11 * bshum doesn't know much more about how this operates and defers
10:11 csharp yeah - I'm looking around for clues
10:12 csharp I might have to up the log level even more
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10:19 Dyrcona Yep, something was definitely wrong with Tuesday's AM dump....
10:20 Dyrcona Last night's dump loaded in just over 1 hour.
10:20 bshum csharp: Did you put any sort of ID sequence with that?
10:21 dbwells csharp: I am not sure how it all works either, but I would take a look at CDBI/asset.pm also.
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10:21 bshum *action.pm
10:22 jeff_ you're probably going to need to define an action::all_circulation in Open-ILS/src/perlmods/lib/OpenILS/​Application/Storage/CDBI/action.pm at a minimum.
10:22 dbwells bshum: right, that :P
10:22 csharp bshum: no seq since it's a view
10:22 csharp jeff_: thanks - that's probably the piece I've been missing
10:22 jeff_ (as i would have seen dbwells note, had I not been in scrollback -- oops. :-)
10:23 csharp dbwells: thanks
10:23 bshum I was just thinking about it too.  After looking at git history surrounding the last changes to dbi.pm
10:23 bshum Fun to see what other files change around or at the same time
10:23 csharp bshum: ah - smart approach
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10:34 csharp bshum++ jeff++ dbwells++ # looks like that's done it - thanks
10:35 dbwells csharp: One more thing on that bug, I'd like to see us perhaps leverage extend_reporter.full_circ_count.  It counts not only current and aged circs, but also "legacy" circ counts as well.
10:36 csharp dbwells: yeah - that would be consistent with the circ counts on the alternate view
10:38 csharp bleh - somethings still borked, but I think I'm on the right track - I'll see about using extend_reporter.full_circ_count
10:41 jeff growr. this code makes assumptions about only running on a single app server.
10:41 jeff and i don't think that pound can proxy certain URLs to specific backends -- checking.
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10:43 jeff eh, a few possible ways to pull it off.
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11:04 rfrasur RoganH: Have you thought about doing it as a Hangout On Air?  So you can get the discussion but then interested parties could also take a look?
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11:05 RoganH rfrasur: I'm game to try that.  I hate to promise it because I've tried to do that before and had bad luck with it.  But that would be my goal, yes.
11:06 rfrasur okay - well, it's something I'd like to use for some other things, so I'll fuss around in the coming days and get a handle as well.
11:06 RoganH me is very challenged by things that are supposed to work simply.
11:06 * rfrasur is buckin' for a vacation day VERY soon.
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11:08 * rfrasur goes to delegate.
11:11 RoganH If interest is high enough based on the doodle poll I might do two dates.
11:16 csharp okay, so since open-ils.storage.asset.copy.circ_count pulls more than just a raw count from the circ table, I've fixed it (on my test machine) to use action.all_circulation... so now the issue is probably to recreate a new method for grabbing the circ count from extend_reporter.full_circ_count and use that in place of open-ils.storage.asset.copy.circ_count ;-)
11:17 csharp s/recreate/create/
11:17 csharp I'll update the bug with what I've done and we can continue the discussion there
11:21 bshum Huh, why would uploading offline transactions fail on "PERM_FAILURE" where almost all of them list out as needing "CIRC_PERMIT_OVERRIDE"
11:21 rfrasur RoganH++
11:22 bshum I looked at the patron and items and they don't seem to require any override
11:22 bshum *patrons
11:23 csharp copy location?
11:25 bshum Doesn't seem to be the case
11:25 bshum Yeah all their items can circ
11:25 * bshum checks rules
11:25 bshum But that ought to be fine too
11:28 csharp have you tried just manually checking out an item to a patron?
11:33 bshum csharp: Yea, checks out without issue if I manually pick one patron and one item from the list.
11:33 bshum I wonder why it failed to process things
11:42 bshum Strange
11:42 bshum CIRC_PERMIT_OVERRIDE isn't one of the perms associated with the account
11:42 bshum Though I really don't know why they'd need it.
11:42 bshum Oh well.
11:43 csharp hmm
11:45 bshum We'll see.
11:46 bshum Maybe it was some snag it hit while processing the offline transactions for some reason.
11:46 * bshum goes back to bug wrangling
11:52 * RoganH hopes it's not like Starship Trooper bugs or we'll never see bshum again.
11:53 bshum I never managed to get through the book.  But the film is still one of my favorites for the music :D
11:53 * rfrasur hopes if it IS like Starship Trooper bugs, someone has a video camera
11:56 RoganH bshum & klussier: I have 5 tentative volunteers for web site editors, I'm going to be following up with them today
11:57 rfrasur (using Chrome is like teaching yourself to like vegetables)
11:57 phasefx bshum: the transaction processing starts out with .override requests, doesn't even attempt to do things normally first
11:57 RoganH Bah, Chrome is great.
11:58 rfrasur Bah indeed.  It's so...curvy
11:58 bshum phasefx: Aha!  Well that's awkward.
11:58 bshum phasefx: Thanks that clears up the mystery at least.
11:58 bshum And shows me that we didn't apparently grant *all* of the overrides available to staff like previously thought.
11:58 phasefx bshum: at least, I'm pretty sure of what I just said :)
11:59 bshum Heh
11:59 bshum phasefx: While I have you, any new thoughts about https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1192189 ?
11:59 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1192189 in Evergreen "Copying in patron editor no longer produces confirmation message" (affected: 3, heat: 14) [Undecided,New]
12:00 RoganH bshum: we noticed that when we moved to 2.4.  I told people to not expect the pop up, to paste and move on with their lives.
12:00 phasefx bshum: no new thoughts; it's trivial to restore the alert if that's what the majority of users want, but no alert does conform with wider UI standards.  I don't have the tuits for the statusbar alternative I suggested
12:01 bshum RoganH: I figure most folks are handling it that way.
12:01 rfrasur From our experience, those little alerts are very helpful especially for the front-frontline staff.
12:01 bshum RoganH: Oh and cool!  Re: more website folks.
12:01 phasefx bshum: folks could also get a clipboard manager in Windows if they wanted :)
12:02 * phasefx away
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12:07 RoganH bshum: I just sent an email encouraging them to get on the web list and give them some 'seeds' to think about before the next meeting and maybe get conversations about content and organization going on list.
12:09 bshum phasefx: I just created a new "official" tag in LP called "qaproject" and started assigning bugs accordingly.  Feel free to use that as a pointer.
12:09 bshum RoganH++
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12:55 rfrasur bshum: you're wrangling like a madman.
12:56 bshum rfrasur: I haven't kept up like I used to.  So I feel slightly bad about it.
12:58 rfrasur bshum: You shouldn't.  Life requires of us at times.  All of you that do the real work on EG should be getting flowers and candy and money and RAM and whatever in the mail everyday.
12:58 rfrasur and watermelon
12:58 bshum I like pineapple.  Watermelons are so squishy and have too many seeds for me.
12:59 bshum But thanks rfrasur.  You're the kind of Evergreen user I like working for ;)
13:00 rfrasur hmm, pineapple then...but never kiwi.  It's REALLY squishy.  or cottage cheese (because it's disgusting)
13:00 bshum I like kiwis actually.
13:00 bshum Hmm
13:01 rfrasur kiwis...yes.  kiwis in the mail...no
13:09 phasefx bshum++ re: qaproject tag
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13:20 * rfrasur apparently gets to be the "bad boss" today.  Meh.
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13:21 kmlussier bshum, phasefx: re bug 1192189: I was going to drop it after initial reaction in IRC, but think if people really want it, it should be put back in.
13:21 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1192189 in Evergreen "Copying in patron editor no longer produces confirmation message" (affected: 3, heat: 14) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1192189
13:21 kmlussier Having said that, I'm not sure the comments on LP are necessarily representative of the community.
13:21 kmlussier The people who would search for it on LP are most likely to be the people who are unhappy with the change. The people who like the change wouldn't feel the need to find out what happen.
13:22 kmlussier IOW, I'm thinking it might be worthwhile to send a message to the list before deciding on anything.
13:22 rfrasur kmlussier++
13:23 Dyrcona Does Evergreen support harvesting data via Open Archives Initiative Protocol for Metadata Harvesting (OAI-PMH)?
13:27 Pibbits could anyone point me in the right direction for any online docs explaining migrating proces from a Unicorn system?
13:28 phasefx kmlussier: +1
13:28 * kmlussier will send something out before the day ends.
13:30 Dyrcona I'm assuming the answer to my question is no after a little research. I just thought maybe supercat might have something up its magic, little sleeves.
13:34 gmcharlt Dyrcona: not as such, but supercat certainly has some of the building blocks you might want
13:36 phasefx Dyrcona: there was the whole OAI Toolkit thing with XC, which could use dumped EG records, but don't know where that is these days
13:37 Dyrcona gmcharlt phasefx Thanks! I'm not looking to implement anything right now. Got enough to do this summer! :)
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13:47 bshum Pibbits: While I don't think there are any official documentation explaining that process, a quick google search for "migrating unicorn evergreen" reveals a blog post by dbs and a couple email threads on the mailing lists on the subject.
13:49 bshum So there might be more information out in the wild.  Though I don't know how old / effective they are nowadays.
13:49 Pibbits some rely on the import_holdings demo by dan scott but cant find this demo\
13:49 Pibbits yeah most the info I have found seems a bit outdated
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13:58 rfrasur hmm, they HAVE to make new Star Wars movies so they can rerelease the old ones at cheaper prices.
13:58 phasefx you mean, so they can put the old ones back into the "disney vault"?
13:58 * Dyrcona wonders if Disney will screw things up as much as Lucas.
13:59 rfrasur they essentially already have
13:59 rfrasur all the originals are nearly $50 for a dvd.  Blu-ray are cheaper...but we don't circulate those yet.
13:59 rfrasur (hopefully never)
14:00 rfrasur they do have a laserdisc version available for just over $20
14:00 eeevil Dyrcona: specifically, supercat (unapi, opensearch, etc) provides oai_dc xml output
14:00 * rfrasur busts out the laserdisc player
14:00 Dyrcona laserdisc++
14:01 senator rfrasur: just out of curiosity, are are you hopefully never circulating blu ray discs in general, or hopefully never circulating star wars on blu ray, because we all know han shoots first, or something like that? :-)
14:01 rfrasur senator: I hope to never circulate blu-ray.  I'm hoping the technology dies and we go to streaming alone.
14:02 jeff_ i have a bunch of laserdisc and CED media in my basement.
14:02 jeff_ i lack a player for both formats.
14:03 rfrasur I never had any exposure to CED that I know of.  But laserdisc was THE thing for about two minutes while I was in college (the first time).
14:03 Dyrcona Never mind movies, I want this to get released: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQyGu4EqZsU
14:03 * senator encountered enthusiastic laserdisc collectors as late as 1997
14:05 jeff we circulated them later than that.
14:05 jeff The CED: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki​/Capacitance_Electronic_Disc
14:06 jeff first i've seen Laserdisc called "DiscoVision", though. Interesting.
14:06 rfrasur Dyrcona: If they could maintain those graphics, that'd be cool.
14:07 phasefx I watched Poltergeist on video disc as a kid
14:07 phasefx must have turned me off of the format :) remember nothing else
14:07 senator the CED, which i'd never heard of, reminds me of the completely unrelated except similarly cool-looking magneto optical disks with the clear cases in the first tom cruise mission impossible movie
14:07 * rfrasur watched five minutes of Poltergeist on cable as a kid and got too scared and then changed the channel using that little slidey thing on the box.
14:08 * phasefx remembers a wired remote control for some device, too, probably the video disc player
14:10 phasefx looks like video disc is a generic term for several things.. CED does look like what I remember
14:11 rfrasur hmm, were those a step between laser discs and CDs?
14:11 phasefx I think no, looks like phonographs, but with video
14:12 phasefx so physical vibration/movement of a needle
14:13 * rfrasur ponders the physics of creating an image using a physical mechanism to create waves.
14:13 phasefx hrmm, more convoluted than that
14:13 rfrasur that's kinda cool, actually
14:13 rfrasur oh it's old.  that's even more cool.
14:14 phasefx "Whereas the phonograph stylus physically vibrates with the variations in the record groove, and those vibrations are converted by a mechanical transducer (the phono pickup) to an electrical signal, the CED stylus normally does not vibrate and moves only to track the CED groove (and the disc surface—out-of-plane), while the signal from the stylus is natively obtained as an electrical signal."
14:14 * phasefx gets back to work :)
14:15 rfrasur that sounds like a really stable format though.  You wouldn't have to worry about EMP or expensive optics...
14:15 * rfrasur sighs
14:15 * rfrasur also gets back to work
14:16 phasefx rfrasur: "RCA estimated that the number of times a CED could be played back, under ideal conditions, was 500"
14:17 rfrasur it could have been improved though...and that's better than most CDs...at least in practice.
14:17 phasefx you also had to flip the disc after an hour
14:17 phasefx for the next hour of play
14:18 rfrasur Not sure that THAT could have been improved since the format's dependent on real estate.
14:18 rfrasur but the durability could have.
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14:22 Dyrcona Is there an opensrf call to export marc records with holdings? I'm using introspect and either getting segfaults or not finding anything that looks relevant.
14:25 Dyrcona ah, looks like supercat might have what I need.
14:26 jeff_ likely, yes.
14:26 jeff_ depends on what you're trying to do. :-)
14:26 eeevil Dyrcona: yeah, if you need opensrf-over-xmpp, there's jsonquery + unapi stored procs. but if http is ok, you can go there
14:27 Dyrcona jeff_: What do you use? You mentioned exporting bibs with holdings and speeding it up yesterday.
14:27 jeff_ DBI against the reporting replica of the database -> MARC::File::XML
14:28 Dyrcona jeff_: How do you get the holdings? Do you pull the info from acn and acp and just stuff it in the XML?
14:28 * csharp uses marc_export on a brick configured to use an RO database
14:28 jeff_ mostly because i'm needing to be very selective about which bibs and copies are included, and we're not allowed to send full updates to the state ILL system, so I had to make it incremental and include only things where the copy's status or "in-scope/out-of-scope-ness" had changed since the last run.
14:29 Dyrcona jeff_: Thanks. Makes sense.
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14:29 jeff_ Dyrcona: yes. the holdings info that i stuff into the 852 tag is actually pulled from a state table which only changes when something relevant to the statewide system changes.
14:30 jeff_ So, if a copy's status goes from Reshelving to Available, no change, not included in incremental update file.
14:30 jeff_ But if it gets moved into a non-holdable shelving location, a DELETE status gets stuffed into that table, and we send them a "kill it!" update.
14:33 Dyrcona I may see what I can do with marc_export. Thanks, csharp. I'm not entirely sure what the vendor expects.
14:33 * Dyrcona just loves it when member libraries sign up for things that require us to do things for them without checking with us first.
14:34 rfrasur I'd ask if they can do that...but apparently they can because they did.
14:34 jeff_ what vendor, and what kind of thing? this is where a directory could help. :-)
14:34 csharp Dyrcona: that happens all the time in PINES
14:34 jeff_ these libraries use these vendors with {Evergreen|Koha}
14:34 jeff_ etc
14:35 csharp @hates
14:35 pinesol_green csharp hates dojo_hold_policies_interface; SIP; when libraries purchase third party products without testing and blame Evergreen for it not working; reports; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa; evil; and reports more
14:35 rfrasur ooooo....base filters!
14:35 Dyrcona jeff_: EBSCO EDS. It appears to be aimed at academic libraries but one of our publics has signed up for it.
14:37 csharp Dyrcona: I have that same project for PINES libs and GALILEO
14:37 csharp although I havent' had to do an export yet
14:37 csharp I'm waiting for them to let me know when they want it
14:42 Dyrcona csharp: I think I'll just use marc_export for this one.
14:42 csharp that was my plan for whenver the time comes
14:44 jcamins Dyrcona: there's a library in NZ using EDS with Koha.
14:44 jcamins I don't know which one, though.
14:50 Dyrcona Not exactly helpful... ;)
14:53 jcamins Dyrcona: no, but now you know that you could ask rangi about it.
14:56 jboyer-isl I feel bad for missing out on the CED discussion, but I thought I'd get this in the logs: As someone with a CED player and media (Episode 4 on CED, hey-o!), the only "ideal situation" is that you have the movie you want to watch in another format. Worse video quality than dirty VHS.
14:58 rfrasur jboyer-isl++
14:59 Dyrcona jcamins: I imagine rangi is cleaning up after the earthquake.
14:59 * rfrasur was just thinking that if the apocalypse happened, someone could rig up a player and see humanities final message on a CED
14:59 jeff jboyer-isl: thanks for the info. i won't feel bad about my lack of a player. :-)
14:59 rfrasur hmm...s/humanity's/humanities
14:59 jcamins Dyrcona: right, not right now, but at some point.
15:00 Dyrcona jcamins: Anyway, I'm just answering the questionnaire that the library director can't, so looking through the code of marc export gives me what I need for now.
15:00 jboyer-isl jeff: That said, they're very neat. I grabbed one with remote and one without off of ebay years ago.
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15:04 dbs Dyrcona: EBSCO was happy with marc_export's output for us, when we gave it a spin.
15:05 dbs Dyrcona: they do z39.50 lookup for actual copy availability when the use gets search results and drills into details, so the copy stuff doesn't matter much
15:05 rfrasur @hate Disney
15:05 pinesol_green rfrasur: The operation succeeded.  rfrasur hates Disney.
15:05 kmlussier rfrasur++
15:06 Dyrcona dbs: Our zserver crashes and only returns 10 results, or so I am told on the latter. I have logs on the former.
15:06 dbs Dyrcona: fwiw, I did use an SQL query to just get a list of bib ids that I then fed to marc_export via STDIN for speed purposes
15:07 dbs Dyrcona: oh, that's not good. must be that ubuntu messing things up :)
15:07 * dbs splits
15:08 paxed oh, no, double trouble!
15:08 rfrasur @hate Disney a lot
15:08 pinesol_green rfrasur: The operation succeeded.  rfrasur hates Disney a lot.
15:09 Dyrcona bshum also runs the same version of Ubuntu and says his zserver doesn't crash.
15:10 bshum Yeah, well, who knows if I'm just doing something unexpected.
15:10 bshum Or if maybe it is crashing and nobody is telling me.  Though I haven't seen evidence of that in my logging.
15:10 Dyrcona I think you're using yaz installed from source instead of from the package.
15:11 Dyrcona The seg faults are definitely logged.
15:12 bshum The package we're using is from the indexdata repo
15:12 Dyrcona Ah well. I should give that a go if I get 15 minutes. ;)
15:13 bshum I do wonder though if it's how it's setup
15:13 bshum Our z server points at our Evergreen app servers for the SRU
15:13 bshum The zserver itself doesn't run Evergreen
15:13 bshum So yaz and simple2zoom are standalone there
15:13 bshum Maybe Evergreen installing from source yaz is where I've sidestepped a quirk
15:14 Dyrcona We ran them all together on Lucid without a problem. Besides, the error message points to a problem in libyaz or glibc.
15:18 Dyrcona Speaking of splits....
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15:35 Dyrcona Whee! While replacing Yaz on my development VM, the metabib reingest finished!
15:35 jeff_ bshum: we've gone with making references to another franchise. :-)
15:35 jeff_ > Hearing Starfleet's warning, Spock determines that the probe's signal matches the song of extinct humpback whales, and that the object will continue to wreak havoc until its call is answered. The crew uses their ship to travel back in time via a slingshot maneuver around the Sun, planning to return with a whale to answer the alien signal.
15:37 bshum jeff++ # EXCELLENT :D
15:37 jeff it was the first thing that came to mind when the behavior was observed.
15:39 rfrasur jeff++ # You're seriously the coolest person I've encountered today which does not diminish anyone else.  You're just THAT cool.
15:40 bradl jeff++
15:47 rfrasur Ooo, I DO like Chrome's print screen
16:07 * rfrasur soccer practice...here we go
16:12 Dyrcona bshum++
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17:13 bshum kmlussier++
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17:50 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP1203753 AuthProxy barcode login support - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=0033c26>
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18:25 gsams I've got an odd issue with a hold not targeting an available copy on 2.3.5
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18:26 gsams Title level hold, only one copy available, current copy reads "No Copy" no fines or oddities on the patrons account, no other holds present.
18:29 bshum gsams: Did you check to make sure the copy is actually holdable?  Like the holdable flag on the copy is yes (aka, true).  Or that the copy location's holdable is true as well?
18:30 bshum Sometimes people create a hold, but then later someone edits the item or copy location to make it unholdable and thus won't ever trap to the item.
18:31 gsams bshum: yes to both of those, although hold verify is checked for the location.  I'm honestly not sure what that is supposed to do.
18:31 bshum gsams: Hold verify in JSPAC used to force some sort of authorization check/override I think before you could create and place the hold.
18:31 bshum I'm not sure how that operates in TPAC now that I think about it...
18:31 bshum Turn it off and see if it helps?  :D
18:32 gsams Did not appear to help.
18:32 bshum Oh, that applies to capture, I got it backwards
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18:32 gsams I've tried both copy and title level holds and neither seem to stick
18:32 bshum Meaning when you check in the copy, it'll ask to verify first, I think?
18:32 gsams ah, didn't get that either way
18:33 gsams oh wait
18:33 gsams asked the hold to find another target after making that change and it targeted the item
18:34 gsams Never received a verification at any point though.
18:34 gsams before making that change that is
18:34 gsams this must be my mysterious culprit
18:34 gsams bshum++
18:35 bshum gsams: Possibly.
18:35 bshum Or it didn't verify cause it wasn't trapping to the hold.
18:35 bshum Hmm
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18:36 bshum Or verify is just broken.
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18:36 bshum I haven't used that feature before, so I don't know if there are problems with it.
18:36 gsams It appeared on their pull list but wouldn't capture on checkin so they just sent it over
18:36 bshum Yeah that sounds like something is wrong with the prompt during checkin for hold verify.
18:36 gsams I don't think they meant to add that location in like that, considering the lion's share are not hold verify
18:37 bshum Probably not
18:37 bshum Still, perhaps you've stumbled into a quirky issue area.
18:37 bshum :D
18:37 gsams I suppose it would warrant some testing in some way, since this does appear to be a bug in our system at least
18:38 gsams And I'm not sure if possible incoming libraries would be interested in using this feature
18:38 gsams or current libraries for that matter
18:38 gsams will enquire
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18:48 bshum Well, the code looks like it ought to prompt the user with something.
18:48 bshum I'm going to try testing it on one of our servers to see if it does
18:50 bshum Well the popup worked
18:50 bshum Generated an alert that asks me to verify the hold upon checkin
18:51 bshum So I don't think there's a problem there.
18:52 bshum gsams: Maybe there was something weird with the hold and doing that find another target helped move it on the right path again.
18:52 bshum And that hold verify on the copy location wasn't involved.
18:52 bshum Though good to check and make sure it's what the library wants.
18:53 gsams I did all of those steps before turning it off and it didn't have that behavior then
18:53 bshum Very weird.
18:53 gsams indeed.  I'll take a thorough look into it tonight if I get a chance
18:54 gsams for now I need to take over at the front desk
18:54 bshum Have a good one.
18:54 gsams you too!
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19:21 gsams bshum: Can't seem to replicate the behavior in other items, the prompy is coming up for me now.  Although it was seemingly unable to target the copy earlier.
19:21 gsams wouldn't have triggered the prompt without being targeted.
19:23 gsams wouldn't target until I turned that off earlier.  Not really sure why that would be the case there and not here.
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20:37 tmccanna Greetings from a newb: As a learning exercise I'm playing around with this - https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1197396 - I've gotten it to check the fields and display an error properly...
20:37 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1197396 in Evergreen "Optionally require parent/guardian field when user is a juvenile." (affected: 2, heat: 12) [Wishlist,Confirmed]
20:39 tmccanna (cont) but I have no idea how to add a library setting to make it optional from one system to another (YAOUS). Can someone point me towards the files I should look at to begin understanding this?
21:27 bshum tmccanna: So library settings are listed out in the default installation files as entries in the database, table config.org_unit_setting_type.
21:27 bshum Which is in Open-ILS/src/sql/Pg/950.data.seed_values.sql
21:28 bshum A recent example of YAOUS addition is like in this commit: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=c​ommit;h=9dff75bd1173f2f9806087752f75cae3b5108a91
21:28 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] Z39.50 Batch Search/Overlay Seed Data - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=9dff75b>
21:29 bshum So basically, once you define a setting entry, you just have to teach the registration form to make use of it.
21:30 bshum There might be more folks around tomorrow who can talk more about it in case you keep poking about.
21:43 tmccanna bshum: Thank you so much! That is exactly what I needed to get me to the next step :)
21:49 bshum tmccanna: Cool deal. Hope you can share some fun code later. :)
22:01 tmccanna I'll do my best, but it will take me a little while before I get to that point :)
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23:20 dbs bshum: what's happening with GSoC student? I find it a bit worrisome that there's no signs that said student exists in this project

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