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Results for 2015-02-19

05:54 * kmlussier yawns
06:16 kmlussier Looks like bug 1350371 has had a signoff for a while if anyone feels inclined to merge it. :)
06:16 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1350371 in Evergreen "ACQ improved duplicate order detection" (affected: 1, heat: 8) [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1350371
06:20 kmlussier Ooh! I missed bug 1379815 when it was first added. I'll have to add it to my testing list for today.
06:20 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1379815 in Evergreen "Assign stat cats during Vandelay import/overlay of items" (affected: 1, heat: 8) [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1379815
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08:55 eeevil kmlussier / Dyrcona: working/user/miker/lp12513​94-metabib-display-fields updated
08:55 kmlussier eeevil++
08:56 eeevil either rebasing shifted the code around and I missed it ... or, the baseline schema was never tested -- only the upgrade version was
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09:25 kmlussier eeevil: Still getting the schema does not exist messages, but the initial error is a bit different this time:
10:54 Dyrcona dbwells: Good suggestion. I'll do that for now until we decide what to do about point release notes.
10:54 kmlussier It could just be a matter of prettying up the change logs for each point release.
10:54 Dyrcona Well, I think security fixes should get extra attention.
10:57 kmlussier eeevil: Still no luck on the metabib display fields branch. Also, I don't know if the person who was planning to test it will be able to do it for tomorrow. Just wanted to let you know in case there are other things you need to do.
10:57 kmlussier Latest error is: psql:002.schema.config.sql:188: ERROR:  function config.metabib_representati​ve_field_is_valid(integer, text) does not exist
10:57 kmlussier HINT:  No function matches the given name and argument types. You might need to add explicit type casts.
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10:59 eeevil kmlussier: ah... yeah, there's more to move around.  Thanks for looking at it. I won't have tuits to get back to it today, sorry.  if there's a way to use the upgrade script on an existing master db, that should get you there, but I don't know if that's easy in your setup
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11:00 kmlussier eeevil: OK, I'll just add that error to the LP bug then so it doesn't get lost.
11:00 eeevil thanks much!
11:00 dbwells I am also going to make time to test the metabib display fields before the cutoff, since I'm at least partially responsible that it's been delayed this long.  Must make amends!
11:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Steven Chan] LP#1418772: Avoid internal server error on viewing full record when copy create_date is null - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=55aaea8>
11:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1418772: (follow-up) tweak undef-edness check - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=fcaf1cc>
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13:30 krvmga in the hen story, the animals who come later don't get to eat the cake; only the hen and her chicks :)
13:30 yboston BTW, at some point we shuold ask opinions fromt he whole community
13:31 yboston but for example  that can be done after we have had a secodn meeting to talk about re-orgs
13:31 krvmga yboston: in that same line, i think, at some point, we should "play test" the docs with our expected end users.
13:31 remingtron yboston: might be good to have a proposed outline to get feedback on
13:31 sandbergja yboston: I like the sound of that -- I think we would get more feedback if we send out something concrete
13:32 yboston I prefer to first have a clear list of things that we want to adress in the re-org and the minimun requirements for the re-org. Though both can be revised with time

Results for 2015-02-18

05:14 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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09:13 bshum They're just deprecation warnings.  Not errors.
09:14 bshum krvmga: With autoreconf -i you only do that on git installs, from a tarball OpenSRF, it's not a necessary step.
09:15 bshum Might be why you never noticed before?  Cause it's been doing those little warnings for years now.
09:18 StomproJ Has anyone tested/used one of the new intel DDR4 memory based servers for postgresql?  Does the increased memory bandwidth give a big boost in performance?
09:18 bshum There's DDR4?  :\
09:18 * bshum goes back to living under his rocks
09:19 bshum StomproJ: Might be an interesting question to ask over in the #postgresql channel too :)
10:17 pinesol_green [evergreen|Remington Steed] LP#957466: Update editor/edit_date/source on overlay - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=62510da>
10:18 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP#957466 Vandelay set the 905$u on imported bib records to current user. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=522b6ff>
10:18 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP#957466: Stamping Upgrade Script - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=fe07338>
10:43 jeff I've noticed an odd (to me) difference between xulrunner and webstaff, and I think it comes down to pcrud permissions vs open-ils.circ api permissions:
10:47 jeff given a patron with open circulations at the CONS level (i can't recall offhand if those were generated by concerto or if that was me manually checking things out without having a workstation set), users without the EVERYTHING permission can't see the circs in the web client.
10:47 jeff but they can in the xulrunner client.
10:47 jeff I haven't yet given it a more realistic test (usually you wouldn't have circs at CONS, etc)
10:48 berick jeff: does your login have global VIEW_CIRCULATIONS permissions?
10:48 jeff And I'm going to take the opportunity to refresh/enhance my understanding of permissions in general, but I wasn't able to make the circs show in the web client even when making someone global admin and assigning them working locations across the org tree.
10:49 jeff berick: i'll verify that specifically. one set.
13:32 kmlussier yboston: I'm here now
13:32 collum Just got it buzzy
13:32 csharp buzzy: I got it at 1:29 p.m.
13:34 yboston kmlussier: I sent you an email a little earlier. just letting you know I am building a Vm to test auth overlay. Also that, I if you had time/VM, that I have some auth code needing a sign-off bug 1403967
13:34 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1403967 in Evergreen "Display 'subject heading thesaurus' value in Manage Authorities results" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1403967
13:35 buzzy great, thanks. i just did, too. for some reason, it didn't go through the first time
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13:42 kmlussier yboston: OK, good. I'm a little behind in my testing this week.
13:43 kmlussier yboston: I can take a look at your code.
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13:53 jeffdavis jonadab: you are correct - passwords stored in the db are hashed but not salted
13:55 Dyrcona Salt is applied when a user authenticates, but if someone grabs your database, you may have bigger problems than worrying about the user's password hashes.
15:15 * phasefx found a wish for this earlier when trying to use Consortium as a pickup lib.. wasn't obvious to me at first what was happening
15:16 jonadab Having the page return a partly-filled form with an informative error about the missing required field(s) is what is what I would probably do, _possibly_ with optional Javascript designed to pre-empt the submit if Javascript is working ok, letting the server-side stuff catch it if not.
15:18 kmlussier phasefx: You can select the consortium as a pickup library?
15:19 phasefx kmlussier: I'm sure it was an admin user on a test system, maybe with the consortium as a the workstation lib.  Once deselected, you can't reselect it
15:19 kmlussier jonadab: The problem with the optional Javascript is that we've tried to keep it out of the catalog unless it's aboslutely necessary.
15:19 phasefx but the user had no sane default for whatever reason
15:19 kmlussier phasefx: Ah, ok.
15:39 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1366026 in Evergreen "Add Copy Active Date to Staff Client Display" (affected: 4, heat: 24) [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366026
15:39 jboyer-isl lp 1210541
15:40 jboyer-isl Drop the comma or add the space, who knows where things went off.
15:47 yboston berick: am I wrong, or did your authority overlay code get signed off and merged to master? Should I still test off of master or should I test from your rebased branch?
15:48 kmlussier jboyer-isl: Hmmm...I was just discussing it with mmorgan. I think there's a fine line between bug fix and enhancement, but if it isn't mentioned in the release notes, then all the people who gave up on deleting copy locations won't know they can delete them now.
15:49 dbs Bug fixes should have release notes entries too!
15:49 goood yboston: it got pushed today, you are not wrong. testing on master is best now
15:49 jboyer-isl Sigh. I suppose that is true. (dbs's point includeD)
15:49 dbs lots of bug fixes listed in http://www.postgresql.org/docs​/9.4/static/release-9-4-1.html :)
15:50 * dbs promises to start writing now overdue release notes for TPAC features
16:45 hopkinsju Right. One favors readability, the other writeablilty I suppose
16:56 dbs bshum: aw yeah, that's how I roll. I'll fix it
16:56 bshum dbs++
16:57 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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17:13 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Scott] Fix typo in release notes for TPAC discoverability - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c0fabd0>
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18:00 dbs berick: fantastic!
18:03 berick certainly adds pressure to angular-ize (i.e. websocket-ize) legacy UI's
18:03 ldw MrBaggins: I sent a reports howto to the mailing list in 2011, so some of it may not be applicable now, you can find it here: http://georgialibraries.markmail.org/message​/ptlz36kle63spqqb?q=Liam+report+date:201109+
18:04 berick hm, patron reg throws the same warning, but still renders OK
18:04 berick perhaps it's only deprecated, but not yet prevented, and vandelay is just broken for some other reason
18:05 berick oh well, more testing later
18:06 dbs all I've been seeing is deprecation notices, but I thought maybe you were on canary or some such advance build
18:12 MrBaggins Thanks for that ldw, every bit helps
18:23 jonadab As far as asciidoc and people wanting .txt files so they can double click, it should be straightforward to make the build process turn the former into the latter.

Results for 2015-02-17

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07:27 kmlussier @coffee
07:27 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Ka'u Coffee Natural Dried, and sends it sliding down the bar to kmlussier
15:01 dbwells #info dbwells = Dan Wells, Hekman Library (Calvin College)
15:01 remingtron #info remingtron = Remington Steed, Hekman Library (Calvin College)
15:01 phasefx #info phasefx = Jason Etheridge, ESI
15:02 bshum Alrighty, well, as others come along, feel free to add yourselves.  We'll move on for now.
15:03 bshum #topic Action items from last meeting
15:03 bshum #info dbwells will separate the cstore billing code into a separate bug; jeff and berick will help with testing
15:03 kmlussier #info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier - MassLNC
15:03 bshum Any report on that?
15:03 berick #info dbwells posted collab/dbwells/1198465_cstore_fines_gen -- I have not done any testing yet
15:04 jeff i can confirm that dbwells has a working branch with said separation and that i'm still planning to test -- sooner than later.
15:04 eeevil #info eeevil = Mike Rylander, ESI
15:04 Bmagic #info bmagic is Blake GH - MOBIUS
15:04 dbwells I did split it, but I also did a bad job at bothering people about it.
15:04 eeevil (I added a couple things to the agenda at the last moment ... sorry)
15:04 bshum Alrighty, I think we can leave it off the meeting action items.  Hopefully you guys can test it out before the beta cutoff?  :)
15:04 kmlussier We have it loaded on a test server at MassLNC, but I've only looked at it quickly. I'm planning to take a closer look this week.
15:05 bshum #info Testing to continue.
15:05 berick one sec...
15:05 dbwells kmlussier: I did push an update earlier today to fix penalty generation.  Just FYI.
15:05 kmlussier dbwells: OK, thanks. I'
15:13 gmcharlt but I want to ask others: any other pending stuff that folks would want to target for a March release?
15:13 * bshum assumes the pound proxy example config is in reference to getting websockets happier with standard ports?
15:13 gmcharlt yep
15:14 bshum Sweet, gmcharlt++ # looking forward to testing those things out.
15:15 bshum #info gmcharlt with new WIP for improving osrf_control --diagnostic and pound proxy example config for websockets in upcoming OpenSRF release.
15:16 bshum ... anything else on OpenSRF?
15:16 bshum Do we want to assign an action for 2.4.1 cutting?
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15:17 gmcharlt bshum: go for it
15:17 gmcharlt you have... THE POWER
15:38 gmcharlt berick: well, a quick review to be clear
15:38 Bmagic Im sure no one looked at this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1174498
15:38 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1174498 in Evergreen "Payment by billing type breakdown" (affected: 7, heat: 38) [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Jeff Godin (jgodin)
15:38 bshum jeffdavis: I actually got my Overdrive API test key last week.  So I might look more closely soon, but not sure if it'll be in time for Friday :\
15:38 gmcharlt jeffdavis: I'd look at it when you mentioend it (last month? how time flies); have you made any tweaks since then?
15:39 jeff Bmagic: i have concerns about payment by billing type interaction with some other billing changes -- it currently can be wrong about things with regard to future-dated overdues.
15:39 jeffdavis gmcharlt: no, no changes since then
15:42 gmcharlt jeffdavis: I think some concerns about work-for-hire were expessed -- but I think that's OK for it living as a contrib
15:42 kmlussier We also have some people lined up here to look at 1410369.
15:42 bshum In the interests of finishing up this meeting, I'm going to ask us to delay discussions on specific features / requests for 2.8 post-meeting.  I'll give it a moment to wrap up last typing.
15:42 gmcharlt berick: you've got a deal; I'll start testing that tomorrow
15:43 berick gmcharlt++ # point me at the branch when it's published
15:43 bshum berick: Anything else about 2.8 beta before we move on?
15:43 gmcharlt berick: will do
15:43 berick and kmlussier's testing is welcome :)
15:43 berick bshum: one last thing.
15:43 kmlussier berick: The more the merrier. :)
15:44 berick i want to reiterate that any testing we can do with master between Friday and next Wednesday (beta release) is greatly apprecaited
15:44 berick to reduce the amount of beta bugs
15:44 berick or bug fix merges, for that matter
15:45 berick i'll try to finalize the DB upgrade script well before wednesday, too, for eyes
15:45 jeff berick++
15:45 bshum #info Beta release cut on Wednesday, February 25
15:45 bshum #help Please help test between beta deadline and cut to minimize bugs in beta.  And also help with bug fixes in general.
15:46 bshum berick++
15:46 bshum Alrighty.
15:46 bshum #topic OPW Progress Report
15:46 dbwells The OPW group would like to update the community on the progress of the Evergreen Style Guide project.  Our intern julialima_ has joined us today to give the update.
15:47 julialima_ We have been working very hard and we have made a lot of progress.
15:47 julialima_ We are focused mainly in ensuring consistency and providing the best  user experience we can. Of course it is a working progress, we are still testing some ideas and thinking new solutions for different situations. We still have 3 weeks until my internship is finished so we have a lot of time to try new things.
15:48 julialima_ You can find the UI style guide in https://github.com/JuliaLima/Everg​reen/tree/patch-1/docs/style_guide, remember that we are working on it, and also you can check in my blog for updates about our progress: http://lima-julia.tumblr.com/EG-style-guide.
15:48 julialima_ Feel free to contact us and give your opinion, we need your feedback in order to improve our work, it is very important for us.
15:49 kmlussier julialima_ / dbwells: I can't remember. Have the links to the blog and github repo been posted to the mailing list yet?
15:49 bshum #link Style guide: https://github.com/JuliaLima/Everg​reen/tree/patch-1/docs/style_guide
15:49 bshum #link Blog: http://lima-julia.tumblr.com/EG-style-guide
16:29 yboston berick: got a minute
16:36 jeffdavis 1/away afk
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16:48 mdriscoll Dyrcona: I have been testing your code for LP#957466 today. Are you still here for a question?
16:50 Dyrcona Yes. I'm here.
16:50 mdriscoll If a record has a user in a 905 $u, an update to an existing record will use the 905 $u as the editor, but for a new record, the 905 $u is ignored.
16:51 mdriscoll I'm not sure if it's important for update and create to work the same way.

Results for 2015-02-16

10:04 eeevil the "+ 1" part in particular
10:05 eeevil $next_fine and $due are epochs, IIRC
10:07 eeevil dbwells: ah, nevermind... I see where you're incrementing the next fine one second into the window
10:14 dbwells eeevil: funny enough, at one point I had an $is_first_billing bool to make that test more clear, but decided it was simpler to just do the math again.  Oh well.
10:15 eeevil dbwells: well, you have a comment that I should have noticed. all's well, I think
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17:05 bshum LP bugs with "pullrequest" as a tag usually signify to testers/committers that it's time to look at it and get it signed and pushed.
17:05 yboston bshum: thanks
17:06 yboston I just realized that I need to add some line breaks to the commit message; will redo the commit tonight
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18:03 pinesol_green [opensrf|Bill Erickson] LP#1418613 per-tab websocket send() JS thinko repair - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p​=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=2cf9344>
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Results for 2015-02-14

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14:28 bshum kmlussier: Thanks, it's already flurrying outside. Again.
14:29 kmlussier Yeah, it's been snowing hear for about 2 hours. :(
14:29 * kmlussier has no idea which IE Win7 shipped with because she avoids IE like the plague.
14:29 bshum Usually yeah.
14:29 bshum I want to say it was IE9
14:31 bshum Nope maybe it was IE8
14:31 bshum What are you seeing / testing anyways?
14:34 kmlussier Oh, just somthing I was working on where I was hoping to use a HTML5 attribute that wasn't supported in IE until IE10. But now that I'm digging further, it looks like it's not supported in Safari at all. :(
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Results for 2015-02-13

10:58 * jeff nods
10:59 jeff down-then-over vs over-then-down
10:59 jeff consistency is important there
10:59 mdriscoll Dyrcona: I would be happy to test your branch when you get it done
11:01 dbwells Okay, feel free to keep talking about layout, but we have more questions! :)
11:01 jeff do the single row and grid examples allow presenting more information when you're looking at the "form" not because you're editing, but because you're reviewing / seeking information? item status single-row display vs item attribute editor single-row display being one example -- would we consider moving the item status display move to single column?
11:03 dbwells jeff: That's a good point.  I don't have a good answer, but I do think the concept of dual purpose display/edit screens should be carefully considered.
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12:38 goood dbs: or they could just consider the "collab" branch as the "master" to target, and submit branches against that. not seeing the difference, really
12:41 dbs Right. So why aren't bug fixes and small features being merged to master on a regular basis again?
12:42 goood dbs: because folks don't test (save kmlussier) or merge, and I get smacked whenever I merge my own code, and get the side eye when I merge my coworkers' code without further review
12:44 goood s/further review/non-esi review, for whatever personal reasons various folks may have/
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13:09 mrpeters Alrighty guys -- I'm in Action/Trigger hell and have come to beg for mercy!  See http://pastie.org/9945103 -- an event_def to mark an item lost 3 hours after it goes overdue.  Nothing fancy, pretty similiar to the stock 90 Day Lost notice.  Each time the event runs, it ends with a state 'error' but I'm struggling to find more information about what caused the error.  Pertinent osrfsys logs are at http://pastie.org/private/l62y4g3wodwvxhw2iwrdg -- Eve
14:13 dbwells My sense when he mentioned it last week was that he felt obligated to work on it since he had already done some work on it.  My guess is he'll be very happy to see you've completed it.
14:15 Dyrcona I felt obligated to work on it when a Backstage import busted up someone's work. :)
14:15 Dyrcona That's cool. Collaboration is nice.
14:24 Dyrcona While testing that change, I noticed something unusual.
14:25 Dyrcona Any time I typed a key in the marc editor, regular or flat text, while editing a record to import, a JavaScript error window would pop up.
14:26 Dyrcona TypeError: tab is undefined
14:26 Dyrcona Still doing it, actually.
14:26 Dyrcona MARC edit works fine on regular bibs.
14:27 Dyrcona Guess I'll do a git clean and see what happens.
14:27 kmlussier dbs: Thanks for letting me know about mlnc4. I'll fix it up now.
14:28 dbwells Dyrcona: I saw that too, when testing master with a 2.7 client.  I know it stems from some changes ldw wrote a while back, and I thought it might be related to me needing a new client.
14:28 dbwells Are you seeing it with a master client?
14:28 Dyrcona Yes.
14:29 Dyrcona My script builds a fresh client when I build all of Evergreen.
14:29 Dyrcona Guess that's a bug.
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14:50 Dyrcona Hmmm. I have that commit, so something about it must still be wrong.
14:53 kmlussier dbs / eeevil: Would it be worthwhile to discuss the web client merging at the next dev meeting? I don't know what the answer is, but I personally would love to see the code make it into master faster.
14:54 kmlussier One thing I'm up against is that I have a few people on hand to help test the circ changes, but we aren't geared up to test cataloging yet. However, I don't really know if the other circ code in that collab branch is dependent on some of the cataloging features that come before it.
14:55 kmlussier So signoffs there may not be helpful.
14:56 kmlussier And mlnc4.mvlcstaff.org is up and running again.
14:57 * kmlussier should add something to her calendar to update it monthly.
15:03 Dyrcona Well, the diff isn't telling me much, and neither is JavaScript console.
15:03 Dyrcona I may have to call on Venkman.
15:04 Dyrcona If he's still around somewhere.
16:22 kmlussier berick: Have you set a meeting date yet?
16:37 kmlussier @quote random
16:37 pinesol_green kmlussier: Quote #94: "<bshum> we should do something about those cupcakes - they're going to go to waste" (added by csharp at 05:57 PM, September 25, 2014)
16:38 kmlussier bshum does love his cupcakes
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17:10 kmlussier Must be Friday afternoon. I had two client windows open, and I tried testing the new feature on the system that did not have the code loaded. Explains why it didn't work.
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Results for 2015-02-12

11:11 csharp berick: ewww
11:11 kmlussier berick++
11:18 Dyrcona heh
11:22 berick eeevil: kmlussier: going to merge working/user/kmlussier/web-clie​nt-sprint1-bug-fixing-signoff1 (plus 9804b5c54d12e6f2d1ae7b907a0de80d84ff978f) after light testing.  any issues/concerns before I do that?
11:24 kmlussier I have no concerns
11:25 berick note for later, we should make the grid less chatty in the console.
11:25 berick kmlussier: thanks
11:25 goood berick: just concerns over rebasing the remainder... but that can be a tomorrow problem, I suppose
11:29 jeff oh and of course the lovely thing about running services on high ephemeral ports...
11:29 jeff (well, ONE of the things)... sometimes someone else gets there first. :P
11:29 berick goood: rebasing collab/miker/web-client-sprin​t1-bug-fixing-rebased-collab ?
11:33 berick just tried an expirement, rebasing that ^-- to my about-to-merge master branch. i haven't tested it, but it rebased without conflict.
11:33 berick so there's that
11:42 hopkinsju Does Evergreen actually use the quality field in biblio.record_entry? I can't think of anything, and we were thinking about reusing that column.
11:44 jeff hopkinsju: have you considered biblio.record_note?
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11:55 bshum mmorgan: Now you're getting it!  :)
11:55 kmlussier Yeah, probably. I don't think it matters much. I guess I've just been looking at them far too much over the past year.
11:55 berick bshum: git filter-branch -f --msg-filter "sed '0,/^/s//LP\#1402797 /1'" origin/master..
11:56 bshum If you come up with better categories for things, I'm happy to help test/push that along.  One of the things I always wish I had more time to do would be to go back and actually add meaningful descriptions to all YAOUS entries.
11:56 berick (then had to clean up a few double-tagged commits)
11:56 bshum berick: Ooooh, fancy!
11:56 kmlussier bshum: Yeah, adding better descriptions has crossed my mind too.
11:56 * berick credits gmcharlt with the original suggestion way back when
11:59 yboston Hello, I can't remember what the rules are for the deadlines we use for having a code change make it to the next release. I see the calendar says that next Friday is the "2.8 Beta Cut-Off" I can't remember what that one is for, I think it is meant for testing and signing off bug fixes? I beleive that the previous "2.8 Feature LP Target Deadline" is for havign signed off changes make it to the beta?
11:59 bshum kmlussier: "Charge lost on zero" confused me for years.  Still does sometime...
12:00 berick yboston: the 2.8 cut off is for new features only.  we *always* accept bug fixes
12:00 bshum bug_fixes++
12:00 bshum :)
12:00 yboston berick: sorry, that was the one rule I did remember, that bug fixes are always accepted :(
12:00 kmlussier Is it difficult to update records that are provided in the Concerto set? I keep thinking it would be nice to add prices for all of the copies in there.
12:01 kmlussier So that when you mark them lost in testing, a bill is added to the patron record.
12:01 berick yboston: no worries, did I answer your question, though?
12:01 bshum kmlussier: I'm sure it's not hard to do that.
12:01 yboston so is there still time to submit (signed off) changes for 2.8?
12:04 berick yboston: documenting / targeting new features in launchpad.  the absence of such documention does not prevent new features getting into 2.8, though
12:04 berick the purpose was to get as much info out as early as possible
12:04 yboston berick: thank you very much, I had assumed I missed the boat on a new feature
12:06 berick yboston: speaking of, do you still have any expectation of testing bug #1171984 ?
12:06 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1171984 in Evergreen "add support in Vandelay for overlaying authorities during import using match sets" (affected: 5, heat: 22) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171984
12:06 yboston berick: so sorry
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12:08 berick and I thought we were immune down here ;)
12:08 berick yboston++
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12:10 kmlussier berick: If yboston doesn't get to that one, I might be able to. I was just looking at it today.
12:10 kmlussier Or, I should say, eyeing it as a possible thing to test.
12:11 berick kmlussier: awesome
12:11 * berick pushed a rebased-to-master branch
12:11 yboston kmlussier: I will let you know if I start testing it so you don't have to, then again maybe the more tsts the better
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12:37 geoffsams Of Course I haven't looked at the specific pages that have been brought up either
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12:47 kmlussier gsams: 98/100 sounds pretty good
12:48 gsams kmlussier: That's for the advanced search page at least
12:49 gsams Since I'm 4 days after an upgrade I haven't had time to do more testing
12:49 kmlussier I'm interepreting that as 98 out of 100.
12:49 gsams that is correct
12:49 gsams The only usability changes it suggested were related to tap targets spacing and size
12:52 gsams basically, Basic Search and Browse the Catalog are too close, The search input boxes are too close, and we have a link at the bottom that is too close to other things
12:56 goood hopkinsju: quality is use for lead metarecord selection. can you give some context to your "scoring algorithm"? what are you scoring, how do you interpret a score value, and what questions are answered by the score
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13:01 bshum Hmm, c4l lightning talk about "keyboard accessibility" makes me think about how much testing we're doing on the catalog / web client.
13:01 bshum So much stuff to test.
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13:05 kmlussier bshum: Well, there currently isn't much to test in the web client in terms of keyboard accessibility. I don't think the keyboard shortcuts have been included yet.
13:06 kmlussier yboston: Are you still around?
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13:33 yboston kmlussier: I am back at my desk
13:34 goood berick: the removal of dropdown-toggle on the actions in the grid (commit d37e4d0bba) means, for ng 1.2.22 (on webby),  that the menu stays open after the launching the action.  Is that just an "old ng" problem?
14:11 kmlussier yboston++
14:11 yboston bug #1171984
14:11 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1171984 in Evergreen "add support in Vandelay for overlaying authorities during import using match sets" (affected: 5, heat: 22) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171984
14:12 yboston this is a feature that needs to be tested out for inclusion in EG 2.8. Again there is one week left to have someone test it and "sign off" on it
14:12 yboston Kathy or I will try to do the signing off
14:13 yboston I am bringing this up partially to showcase how improvements are made to EG
14:13 yboston that is all for me on authoritites. I can move to the nexr past meeting's action item
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14:14 yboston moving on
14:14 yboston 3) jeffdavis to put out a call for current patron loading scripts that are already in use.
14:14 yboston I am not sure if jeffdavis is available now, will wait a bit before defring
14:15 yboston moving on
14:15 yboston #action  jeffdavis to put out a call for current patron loading scripts that are already in use.
14:15 yboston at this point there are now more outstanding past meetign action items
14:15 yboston we can now shift to talk about other issues
14:16 yboston for example, thoughts on the earlier discussion on call number search
14:16 yboston or something completely different
14:16 Cybrarian PAC flavors?
14:16 DonB__ I sent out a couple of emails to the list regarding call numbers
14:17 DonB__ It seems there is broad consensus in two areas
16:52 * Dyrcona typoed Integer as Interger last night.
16:52 Dyrcona That'll do it.
16:52 RoganH I did it once before which is why I suddenly thought of it.
16:53 RoganH I discovered that one before testing though.  Ug.
16:57 RoganH That did it.  Thanks for the ideas all.
16:57 RoganH Dyrcona++
16:57 RoganH kmlussier++
17:04 gsams kmlussier++
17:04 kmlussier gsams: Awesome!
17:04 RoganH Good night!
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Results for 2015-02-11

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10:59 berick with subsequent calls, it compares the previous value to the new value
10:59 berick if they are different, it calls the $watch function
10:59 berick that was provided by us
10:59 phasefx rock
10:59 phasefx berick: do you mind if I pick those into the sprint1 collab branch?
11:00 phasefx (after testing)
11:00 berick phasefx: no, i don't mind
11:00 phasefx rock
11:00 berick also, re: $watch, that's one reason you want to avoid using $watch unless necessary, because it causes extra copies of objects to have to persist.
14:06 eeevil (sorry if that seems overly blunt ... just meant to convey my thoughts succinctly ;) )
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14:09 eeevil kmlussier: unrelated to the web client, I pushed a change for the don't-change-0-balance-lost-xact branch, per the situation you identified ... not sure if you saw that
14:10 kmlussier eeevil: Sure, I'm okay with pushing them in as is because, as far as I know, nobody is using the web client yet. I'm just having a hard time managing my own testing of the new code.
14:10 kmlussier eeevil: I did see that. Thanks! :)
14:11 * bshum has been likewise confused by the status of that collab branch
14:11 bshum Is there a specific block of commits we should focus on getting into master first?  Or are we just expecting to push the whole thing enmasse?
14:11 kmlussier Also, all the code I've reviewed so far has improved the web client, so +1 to getting it in.
14:12 * bshum also assumes none of it is being backported to rel_2_7 then.
14:12 bshum Though, they are "bug fixes"?  Meh
14:14 eeevil kmlussier: right. IIRC, the consensus was folks should wait until they can do OneBigSwitch(tm) to the web client. now, whether folks will... :)
14:14 * kmlussier doesn't remember that consensus
14:15 kmlussier Would it help if I signed off on the commits I already tested?
14:15 kmlussier I know I had further feedback on some of those commits, but I only saw improvements in what I tested.
14:15 DPearl I'm attempting to build a Concerto database; it worked some time ago, but there was a concerto.sql file to read in.  Things have changed and concerto.sql is no longer there.  The eg_db_config.pl is gone and replaced by an .in file, so current instructions to build the db don't work! Where should I look for the new doc?
14:15 eeevil kmlussier: I imagine it would, or at least note them. I'm not sure how berick wants to handle that merge
14:18 bshum eeevil: Can sprint1 fixes be un-entangled from the collab from sprint2 stuff?  Or do we have to test all the things before the branch can be moved forward in any way?
14:18 kmlussier OK, I'll do some sign-offs. But I still would like to advocate for putting the new cataloging code into a different branch from the circulation fixes.
14:19 kmlussier Ha ha. What bshum said.
14:19 * bshum is just trying to help, not trying to be difficult.  I just work better in more concrete blocks of things to look at.
14:42 eeevil the cataloging changes really need everything else (or, substantially), and since nobody has jumped in to help with coding things they find broken, I chose to reduce the overhead of making progress.  I can start a new branch called "sprint2" if that would help, but it'll just be a clone of the sprint1 branch. will it provide a lot of help to remove any sprint2 code in another copy of the collab branch?  (I'll personally
14:42 eeevil consider that branch a dead end, fwiw, because I don't see much point in shuffling commits all over the place when there's really only going to be just a couple developers working in tight coordination)
14:44 eeevil now, if folks started to show an interest in getting involved in either initial coding of features beyond the current plan, or bug fixing (to learn angularjs, or just because), then the multi-branch-parallel-to-master world would make sense
14:52 kmlussier Heh, I don't think anyone wants me diving into angularjs, but I'll do what I can to sign off on stuff as soon as I test it, which might make things more manageable.
14:54 Dyrcona My bosses have other ideas how I should spend my time right now.
14:54 dbs Having small branches is probably the best way for people to learn how to start digging in.
15:11 eeevil dbs: that's probably true when the small branches are tracking a canonical master branch, but in this case we're talking about (at least) two branches tracking both master and another "fix" branch, which has to track master, too, leading to periodic manual, cascading rebases ... AFAICT. I can do that or write code :).  if folks think of the collab branch as the "master for web client -- for now", then they can branch from
16:00 kmlussier Yikes! beta cutoff is 1 1/2 weeks away?
16:13 gmcharlt kmlussier: time flies when we're having fun
16:13 kmlussier gmcharlt: Fun?
16:13 gmcharlt yes!
16:13 gmcharlt docs! \o/
16:13 gmcharlt patches! \o/
16:14 gmcharlt regression tests \o/
16:14 gmcharlt too much coffee! \o/
16:16 dbwells I was still thinking the cutoff was the 18th, but I now see it got pushed to the 20th.  Two extra days!   \o/
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Results for 2015-02-10

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11:44 * kmlussier is learning more than she ever wanted to know about QA.
11:45 kmlussier I know we are doing build tests and some unit testing, especially after we put some of berick's guidelines from http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki​/doku.php?id=dev:contributing:qa into place.
11:45 kmlussier But are we doing any kind of functional testing in an automated fashion?
11:47 phasefx kmlussier: are you thinking UI testing?
11:47 phasefx we do have the "live" tests against a running system
11:48 kmlussier phasefx: No. I'm thinking, given this input the system should be returning this.
11:48 kmlussier I saw the "live" tests, but wasn't exactly sure what they did.
11:49 tsbere kmlussier: I think the live tests are "Given this input and a known DB state, the system should be returning this"
11:50 kmlussier OK, so that's what I was looking for. I think. :)
11:50 tsbere (which doesn't mean that any UI elements work, in that case, but would cover backend calls)
11:50 phasefx and the unit tests are "given this input, this code chunk should always return this"
11:53 kmlussier Hontestly, the way you describe it, I don't see a difference between the unit and live tests.
11:55 tsbere kmlussier: The unit tests are for things that don't require the network to be up. "This utility function should always do the same thing given the same input and doesn't talk to anyone else while doing so"
11:55 phasefx kmlussier: the unit tests are testing pieces of code that are very self-contained.. the live tests require a larger environment in a known state (a running system with stock test database)
11:56 phasefx kmlussier: so you end up testing some interaction between multiple moving parts
11:59 kmlussier phasefx: So is that the same as integration testing?
11:59 phasefx kmlussier: I think so
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12:12 gsams Just upgraded from 2.3.5 to 2.7.3 and we are noticing problems with Overdrive authentication.  The logs are showing successful attempt to access but Overdrive appears to be blocking anyway.
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12:19 kmlussier Agreed! Let it be resolved that csharp should get rest. :)
12:20 jeff gsams: likely OverDrive was relying on the patron screen message field in the SIP response being "OK" -- that is no longer sent.
12:21 kmlussier gsams: Congrats on your upgrade! Unfortunately, I now no longer have a go-to place to test an early release of Evergreen to verify whether a bug is new or not. ;)
12:21 jeff ...and I always encourage folk to NOT use SIP2 for external vendor auth, but I realize it's hard to change because inertia.
12:23 kmlussier phasefx: OK, so here's my follow-up question. How do we know that we're testing all the right things with the live tests? Would it be helpful for an end user like myself to supply a set of common scenarios that should be part of the live tests?
12:23 gsams kmlussier: Hehe, I wish I could still be there for that, but alas we needed these fresh new features and to actually stay up to date.
12:23 jeff kmlussier: ideally, those scenarios are the input to the kinds of tests you speak of.
12:24 kmlussier I just happen to have a set of test cases around overdue fines and billing that I use quite frequently.
12:24 * jeff chuckles
12:24 gsams jeff: now I'm curious, what would you suggest.  I've always thought SIP2 was odd, but I'm not really sure why I've felt that way.  I don't know enough about it to begin with.
12:25 * jeff just threw a dozen or so people at the rel_2_7 (plus some cherry-picked fixes) web staff client with only a few things that broke (mostly due to permission-related quirks)
12:32 gsams Though, I like to do things the difficult way, so I wouldn't be opposed to conversion
12:33 tsbere jeff: Given some of the alternatives (or lack thereof) some vendors provide to SIP2 I am not sure there is a good way to avoid starting. >_>
12:34 jeff tsbere: i'm trying to gather some information on those choices -- especially for those we don't have a relationship with. i'd be interested in what you have, if you don't mind sharing.
12:34 berick jeff++ # browser client testing
12:35 tsbere jeff: Most of the ones I know of off the top of my head (AKA, people I actually dealt with, rather than non-technical people dealing with them first and deciding on SIP2 without ever finding out about other options) were "SIP2, don't actually validate against your system, or provide us with a URL that spits out custom specific-to-us output that we aren't willing to negotiate much on"
12:35 tsbere jeff: Oh, and for half of them the URL couldn't be https. <_<
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12:50 jeff berick: thanks! I'm immediately being pulled into something else today, but I've a handful of things to follow up on, and we're planning to give all staff test accounts and have them start kicking the tires later this week.
12:50 jeff (just with concerto as a dataset, to start)
12:52 jeff is anyone here having staff use the web staff client on a production system yet?
12:52 bshum jeff: We aren't planning to use any web client bits in active production until more modules are complete.
12:52 bshum By more I mean specifically cataloging and perhaps even acquisitions :\
12:53 jeff so no general usage at service desks for patron account management, placing holds, etc.
12:54 bshum Not for us anyways.
12:54 bshum At least not yet.
12:54 * bshum imagines everyone will brave this stuff differently.
12:57 kmlussier jeff: Nobody is using it here yet. Based on our preliminary testing, I think there is more work to be done before front-line staff will be ready to use it.  eeevil and berick have been making good progress on bug fixes recently, so maybe soon. :)
12:58 jeff i've applied some of those fixes to this test system :-)
12:58 * bshum might also wait to see if there's anything that can be done as far as running websockets on different ports.
12:58 bshum Or rather, not running it on separate ports
12:58 kmlussier However, I think we'll need keyboard shortcuts before our circ staff is ready to use it. They heavily rely on the keyboard.
13:00 bshum And they don't always consult us when they change their equipment either.
13:00 bshum And suddenly the ILS stops working.
13:00 bshum brb, c4l break time :)
13:00 * tsbere should try and get websockets working again for testing
13:01 kmlussier tsbere: That would be great. I would love to try it out on a non-Concerto database.
13:02 tsbere kmlussier: And the system(s) I was going to see about getting it to work on.......run on Concerto databases.
13:02 kmlussier tsbere: But it's a first step, right? :)

Results for 2015-02-09

12:37 csharp damn - I can't find the problem
12:37 csharp fieldmapper looks right, rocit.age_protect <-> crahp.id
12:44 csharp @hates
12:44 pinesol_green csharp hates dojo_hold_policies_interface; SIP; when libraries purchase third party products without testing and blame Evergreen for it not working; reports; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa; evil; reports more; reports even moar; details; reports even more; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out (1 more message)
12:45 csharp @more
12:45 pinesol_green csharp: when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa even more; having to teach SIP2 client vendors about the SIP2 specification; troubleshooting reports; money reports; and marc
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16:04 * jeff is seeing "grunt test" fail in rel_2_7 and master at present
16:04 jeff since I haven't run these tests before, I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong.
16:06 berick got a paste?
16:06 jeff output is here: https://gist.github.com/jeff/45f872e1899ba6217cd0 -- it obviously can't find/load angular, but i'm not sure where to start
16:08 jeff oh hey, and now it works.
17:06 mrpeters1 sorry, i got distracted and didn't finish my thought there -- should a 1 hour overdue have a 1 hour processing delay?
17:06 mrpeters1 wouldn't that cause a notice not to be sent until it was actually 2 hours overdue?  also, the Max Event Validity -- its set to 2 hours -- if a cron job failed to run to "run pending" within that 2 hour window, would that cause the notice to fail to be sent?
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17:34 dcook I was wondering who said my name...
17:34 dcook @coffee [someone]

Results for 2015-02-07

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Results for 2015-02-06

12:48 gmcharlt goood: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/O​penSRF.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/collab​/gmcharlt/better_osrf_control_diagnostic
13:02 kmlussier Woo hoo! Booked my hotel room for the conference. :)
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13:13 phasefx berick: I was trying a variant of the script in bug#1268619 to test websockets prior to installing anything EG (including dojo).  And I found I had to include opensrf_ws.js manually, and after calling .send(), I also had to call .session.send_ws() on the request object.  Does that sound crazy?
13:16 phasefx http://paste.lisp.org/display/145683
13:19 phasefx the manual part doesn't sound crazy, the path is hard-coded in opensrf.js
13:21 phasefx okay <rubber ducking>, so if I change the transport from OSRF_TRANSPORT_TYPE_WS_SHARED to OSRF_TRANSPORT_TYPE_WS, I can just do req.send() and it works
13:24 berick phasefx: OSRF_TRANSPORT_TYPE_WS_SHARED is currently disabled.  send_ws() is the underyling handler for OSRF_TRANSPORT_TYPE_WS.
13:24 berick so even though it was set to OSRF_TRANSPORT_TYPE_WS_SHARED, you were forcing it to run as non-shared by calling send_ws() directly
13:25 berick when you changed to OSRF_TRANSPORT_TYPE_WS, the send_ws() was no longer needed
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16:41 csharp amazing... with dbwells's fix with jboyer-isl's modifications, my nearly two-hour query dropped to 4 seconds
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16:48 dbwells csharp: Sorry for being lazy on the COALESCE, I only did a quick test on lower ids which had a legacy_circ_count entry (which should be, I think, the only number needing a COALESCE).
16:56 dbwells This should work:  http://pastie.org/9893249
17:01 dbwells I also kept COUNT(*) over COUNT(distinct id) because 1) there are no joins involved, so DISTINCT doesn't do anything for us here, and 2) COUNT(*) is generally recommended when simply counting rows, as it lets the planner pick whatever it thinks is best (which will probably be 'id', but anyway... at least that's what I've been told).
17:05 dbwells In any case, the changes I'm advocating will not affect performance in any measurable way, I think it just helps readability.
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17:30 csharp dbwells: excellent - thank you
17:31 csharp I'll file a bug on this just to get it on the record
17:32 dbwells sounds like a plan

Results for 2015-02-05

09:09 bshum jeff: How did those slip past?
09:11 jeff bshum: staff-side patron editor has no checks for duplicate holdshelf alias. We didn't put effort into closing that loophole.
09:11 bshum Ahh.
09:11 jeff bshum: So at least one of each group is staff or asked staff to set their alias to that value.
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09:12 jeff looking, the duplicate catwoman is a test/training account's alias.
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09:18 mmorgan jeff: speaking of popular - what are you looking at to get the "most popular" titles on your stats page? Circs? Holds? A combination?
09:36 jeff mmorgan: i think i owe you an email regarding that, too!
10:04 eeevil pcrud.js is completely unchanged (now... I was messing with it last night)
10:11 berick eeevil: ok, was able to reproduce locally
10:11 * berick pokes
10:12 eeevil berick: I suspect, but haven't tested, that it happens with every pcrud CUD call
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10:36 berick eeevil: found it.  good stuff
10:36 berick http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=work​ing/OpenSRF.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b25f​487c0acdfa000becbccac6943e24bc0ca77
10:36 berick i'll open an LP
10:37 berick this code path (per-tab connections) got much less testing than the global WS connection code, which had to be disabled, because chrome started acting funky with global connections
10:37 berick will have to revisit that..
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10:46 berick https://bugs.launchpad.net/opensrf/+bug/1418613
10:46 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1418613 in OpenSRF "Per-tab websocket JS connections can re-send messages" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]
11:01 bshum berick: I'm adjusting that entry if I can so that it points at OpenSRF 2.4.1
11:01 bshum Since 2.4.0 was already released last month
12:09 bshum gmcharlt: Sorry I'll fix up 2.7.3 too and create a 2.7.4 for everyone.
12:09 bshum Old, old bug.  Back from my 2.0 days :(
12:10 gmcharlt bshum: ah, great - thanks for catching that!
12:11 bshum gmcharlt: I'm not sure if dbwells has cut 2.6.6.  He might not have yet and it could still get tested and applied there.  But more than likely I expect we'll keep that lock-step on bug fixes in general.
12:11 bshum gmcharlt++ # poking at ancient bugs
12:12 gmcharlt bshum: that's fine - that bug gets hit rarely enough, I think, that testing doesn't need to be super-rushed
12:12 gmcharlt our_customers++ # running into ancient bugs and KEEPING THEM ALIVE
12:13 bshum Reported by Ben Shum on 2011-12-15, zomg :(
12:13 * bshum can't believe how long it's been :\
12:14 bshum Stompro++ # helping to announce new release on list with helpful notes and links!
14:41 remingtron I think I did, but probably asked bshum first
14:41 remingtron basically, he wrote the instructions draft, and he wants some feedback
14:42 remingtron maybe he/we should ask the general and dev lists for help on that
14:42 yboston ats ome point I need to build a new test server to try out the web client, I can give him some feedback at that point
14:43 yboston I can put an action item to reach out to him to see if this has been included in master, and if others have been able to run his intructions
14:43 yboston they look fine to me, bu I have nos tested them yet
14:43 bshum It has not been added up to master yet.
14:43 bshum Sorry, stepped away a sec there.
14:44 bshum I'll work on it with more devs in the coming weeks.
14:44 yboston I can reach out to you when I am ready to build a new VM to test the web client, to make sure I use the latest version
14:45 yboston is there a git branch that has these instructions?
14:45 bshum yboston: I haven't put all the changes into a git branch yet.  That's also on my to-do list I think.
14:45 yboston no worries
14:46 yboston I can move on, but want suggestions on what action item if any we should leave for next meeting for this?
15:02 remingtron kmlussier: are you able to make the wiki page for 2.8 features again?
15:03 kmlussier Yes, I can.
15:03 kmlussier Sorry, I was pulled into another discussion.
15:03 * gmcharlt jumps in to mention that I intend to provision the doc testing server next week
15:03 gmcharlt sorry for hte delay
15:03 kmlussier gmcharlt++
15:04 yboston no problem, you have a lot on your olate
15:04 yboston *plate
15:23 bshum And it doesn't handle things like links.
15:23 bshum At least, it didn't work for the text block where the other stuff lives now.
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15:40 kmlussier eeevil / goood: I may have asked this question before, but I don't recall the answer. Is bug 1251394 ready for testing or does it still need work?
15:40 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1251394 in Evergreen "Metabib Display Fields" (affected: 3, heat: 16) [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251394 - Assigned to Mike Rylander (mrylander)
15:45 eeevil kmlussier:  it's just the backend components, but I think they work. nothing knows how to use them yet, though
15:46 kmlussier eeevil: Ah, ok. So if we wanted something to be able to use them, it still needs work.
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17:01 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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