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Results for 2016-04-06

09:32 csharp pinesol_green: nobody thinks you're intelligent - jeez!
09:32 pinesol_green csharp: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
09:32 pinesol_green csharp: Thank you csharp! But our princess is in another castle!
09:32 Dyrcona VM is ready, I'll be back in about half an hour to say yay or nay if the test works.
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11:03 jeff berick++ -- we're using 1.7 still, but I've been chewing through the "breaking changes" docs for 2.3
11:03 rlefaive beric++ jeff++
11:04 berick jeff: not sure if this is a 2.x thing, but I also had to tweak some of the queries for nested data.  E.g. https://github.com/berick/marc-indexing-for-es/​commit/665ff895a064ce64e81be5f3809e3f3734e94b4b
11:08 jeff berick: ah! yep, I likely didn't update the rest of the examples when I added https://github.com/tadl/marc-indexing-for-es/c​ommit/5ae1b4380fecef1fb40f9eb2f79753019ba77053
11:08 jeff (heh. that test is pretty... specific to us.)
11:09 berick jeff: oh, cool, glad I'm on the right track.
11:10 berick jeff: whoa, you're moving to catalog.apps.tadl.org as your main catalog?
11:11 jeff not until tomorrow. :-)
15:45 * Dyrcona pretty much agrees with gmcharlt and miker.
15:46 bshum PG 9.3 buys us a year to decide what happens next time 'round
15:46 gmcharlt any disagreement with that (i.e., somebody who wants to aim for 9.4 or 9.5)?
15:46 bshum Well more than a year anyways
15:46 bshum Plus I feel like there are already lots of us on PG 9.3 or better
15:46 bshum So it should be "well tested"
15:46 miker 9.3 FTW
15:47 gmcharlt going once...
15:47 jeffdavis FWIW, looks like CentOS 6 (EOL 2020) comes with PG8.4, and CentOS 7 (EOL 2024) comes with PG9.2; not sure if major PG version advances happen in minor CentOS releases
15:53 berick thanks, dbwells
15:53 Dyrcona Did we talk about sqitch? Do we need to?
15:53 kmlussier It was an outstanding action item from the last meeting.
15:54 berick the sqitch branch is ready for wider testing.
15:54 gmcharlt I can make some time between now and the EG conference to test
15:54 berick if nothing else, it would be great if someone else got a feel for how it works
15:54 Dyrcona I should see what it's about, but I have enough action items already. :)
15:54 berick so I'm not stabbing too long in the dark.  i only have my own experiences

Results for 2016-04-05

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10:00 Bmagic berick: does the code in Open-ILS/src/perlmods/live_t/ work outside of the application server? Can I use it to connect and test remotely? From a non EG server? I need to make sure that I am involving ejabberd and such
10:01 Dyrcona Bmagic: I can tell you that it will not work unless OpenSRF is installed.
10:02 Dyrcona Bmagic: You will also need access to the private domain.
10:02 Dyrcona Bmagic: The tests in live_t are intended to be used against the concerto dataset.
10:03 Bmagic there we go, so, I cannot use that perl to test a remote server. I need to employ basically the stuff that the staff client uses in order to properly simulate "real world" ?
10:04 Dyrcona Bmagic: What are you trying to test?
10:04 Bmagic Placing holds, circulating an item, renewing, etc
10:04 Dyrcona live_t is mainly meant to test that functionality remains as expected, not connectivity.
10:05 Bmagic editing a patron, stuff like that
10:05 Dyrcona Bmagic: There are tests in live_t that do some of those things, but as I said they are aimed at concerto and meant to be run from the server.
10:06 Dyrcona For remote testing, you'll need to connect via the gateway or websockets.
10:07 Bmagic yeah, I wasn't going to use those tests exactly, but perhaps as a guide. But if using the OpenSRF perl modules do not test the servers as the staff client would, then I can't really use them
10:07 kmlussier miker / berick: Should bug 1347774 still be open? It looks like code was merged at the end.
10:07 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1347774 in Evergreen "Backend logic has leaked into the TPAC (and friends)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1347774
10:07 Dyrcona Is there a particular issue you are trying to resolve?
10:07 Dyrcona kmlussier: I really doubt that bug is finished.
10:08 Bmagic I want to be able to test the servers the same way our libraries do when using the staff client. I need to be able to do this easily and regularly
10:11 jeff you may find some examples in constrictor.
10:11 jeff are you attempting to add some monitoring, or do you have a different goal?
10:12 Dyrcona Bmagic: This might be helpful: http://evergreen-ils.org/~deni​als/workshop.html#_javascript
10:22 Bmagic Dyrcona: that web page looks helpful. It does seem like the perl bits rely on OpenSRF perl modules, which in turn rely on direct access to the DB?
10:22 Dyrcona I usually decide everything is OK when all services are running and I can log in with the staff client.
10:22 Dyrcona Bmagic: The perl does, but the JavaScript uses the translator or the gateway. That's why I linked to where the JavaScript starts.
10:23 Bmagic Dyrcona: yes, that is how we test it right now as well, but there are things that we miss, especially when autogen is out of whack. And when there are 8 app servers in rotation, the issue may not be obvious
10:23 Dyrcona Bmagic: One could write Perl modules to use the gateway, or add it as a transport in the OpenSRF Perl modules, if it isn't there already.
10:24 Dyrcona Bmagic: Always run autogen.sh after an upgrade.
10:24 Bmagic of course!
10:24 Dyrcona The IDL usually changes and if it hasn't, there's no harm in it.
10:25 Bmagic after running autogen - restart services - check each server and verify. It would be nice if a script could check much more like, editing a patron, circing an item and renewing, etc. Just to be able to closely replicate the expierence of our libraries
10:26 Bmagic the test could time everything and give real data
10:27 Dyrcona You can write that with the JavaScript. You could also write it in Perl and run it on an app server.
10:27 Dyrcona The difference is minimal, though doing it from JavaScript would test if the Apache is working, too.
10:28 Bmagic sounds promising
10:40 Bmagic executing JS without a browser - from the command line looks challenging. node.js might be required...
10:43 Dyrcona You could put it in a html file and open it from a browser.
10:43 Dyrcona I believe that is what dbs expects one to do with the examples from the workshop.
10:45 Bmagic yeah, I am trying to think of a way to make this more of an automated thing
10:47 dbs http://jasmine.github.io/2.4/introduction.html says "It does not depend on any other JavaScript frameworks"
10:48 dbs Pretty sure we already have some javacript tests in the codebase
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10:53 dbs Oh, heh. Good old Dojo Objective Harness in OpenSRF: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=OpenSRF.git;​a=blob;f=src/javascript/tests/README;h=d4622​4aef890afdfbb0b2a03b6a57477d96ecf43;hb=HEAD
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11:23 Bmagic dbs: thanks, I will take a close look
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11:36 dbs I *think* webby has tests but I haven't touched it for months
11:37 Dyrcona Yeah, I've been meaning to learn how to use karma to write staff client tests.
11:37 Dyrcona If that is how its done.
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17:09 Bmagic I should be
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17:28 sandbergja Quick question: does the editor column in asset.copy get modified when a staff usr circulates an item to somebody, or is it only stuff like changing barcode/circmod/etc. that tracks the editor?
17:33 kmlussier sandbergja: I'm pretty sure the editor column only updates if you make actual edits to the copy, not circulations. But I haven't tested it.
17:37 sandbergja thanks!  I'm trying to track down whodunnit, and that's at least a possible lead
17:47 bshum sandbergja: Whodunnit like who edited the item last or who checked it out?
17:48 bshum The auditor table could tell you more either way.  auditor.asset_copy_history

Results for 2016-04-04

10:33 kmlussier csharp++
10:33 dbwells tspindler: I'm always happy to help troubleshoot Evergreen LDAP issues.  My LDAP experience is framed by what we do locally, so I'm eager to work through issues others may have to help make the code more robust.
10:34 tspindler Thanks dbwells, our next step will be to see if each academic institution will even allow access ot LDAP servers
10:36 yboston tspindler: shum told me they were using LDAP in Bibliomation too. I am actually about to launch a test of it very soon too
10:36 jeff Hrm. There is a Welcome to Night Vale live show in Raleigh on April 20.
10:37 tspindler thanks yboston, bshum just told me that ;)
10:37 tspindler yboston, have you looked at it at Berklee
10:39 jeff tspindler: I figured -- I was just voicing my interest in hearing what they said after you ask. :-)
10:39 tspindler jeff: once we know I can report back
10:40 gsams jeff: I have tickets to see the show here in Dallas on July 11.  I'm looking forward to it.
10:41 yboston tspindler: I am just about to fire up a VM with our LDAP credentials then I ill try it in our test Vm hosted by ESI. The long term plan is to use SAML "single sign on"
10:41 yboston BTW, anyone here using SAML "single signon" with EG?
10:42 jeff gsams: I was looking at their schedule and thinking "Cleveland... that might be worth the trip... oh, Detroit's a bit closer... oh hey, Raleigh... wouldn't that be funny if it was while I'm already going to be there for... hah!"
10:44 jeff yboston: I'm not aware of any Evergreen support for SAML (either as IdP or SP), but it is something that interests me.
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17:01 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1564685 Prevent linked address edit on reload - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8605e7d>
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17:08 jeff berick++ kmlussier++ gmcharlt++
17:18 Bmagic has anyone already developed some perl code that checks various things on an app server. Like, test circ, test patron edit, test renew etc? I'm looking at OpenILS::Utils::Cronscript.
17:20 berick Bmagic: you might want to look at the stuff in Open-ILS/src/perlmods/live_t/
17:33 Bmagic berick: ty
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Results for 2016-04-01

08:53 Dyrcona It is still active in the wip branch.
08:53 Dyrcona I can choose either option.
08:54 Dyrcona If it is left active, the JavaScript console will get a lot of messages about what is filling grids added to it.
08:54 Dyrcona Dunno if you want that while testing or not.
08:55 kmlussier Dyrcona: I think you can leave it commented out at this point.
08:55 Dyrcona OK.
09:00 Dyrcona The branch is ready. Time to build it, and upgrade the database.
12:07 jeffdavis pg_dump -i -Fd -Z 9 -f /path/to/dumpfile --serializable-deferrable evergreen
12:07 jeffdavis ^ that's basically the command we use to create a dump of our db - note that it does not output a .sql file
12:08 jeffdavis for restore, we create a new database using Evergreen's create_database_extensions.sql script, then use pg_restore to load the dumped data into it
12:09 Bmagic jeffdavis: yeah, I was going to basically do those steps in testing today
12:10 Bmagic Which switches do you use for eg_db_config.pl ?
12:11 jeffdavis perl Open-ILS/src/support-scripts/eg_db_config --update-config --service all --create-offline
12:11 jeffdavis plus  user, password, host, port, and database
16:29 Bmagic miker: so, in this one paticular case, I could drop the index and create it again with the correct locale option?
16:33 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#1373601: Consider relevant characters before using word-boundary checks - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e7c8785>
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17:36 miker Bmagic: I think you'd want to set the collation on the column and then reindex it ... that should be enough, I believe. a test server could tell.  that said, I do think normalizing the sort value differently would be a good step to avoid this altogether ... like, replace spaces with +s or some such (more thought than I've just given it would be warranted, of course)
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17:39 Bmagic miker: thanks again!
17:49 Bmagic I guess I have to drop the column and add it again. alter table metabib.browse_entry alter column sort_value SET NOT NULL COLLATE 'C'; does not work. errors on "COLLATE"

Results for 2016-03-31

16:51 Dyrcona Is 2.8 going to security-only or is it still open for regular bug fixes?
16:51 Dyrcona And, it's a bit late to be asking questions.
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16:55 Dyrcona I should find some more bug fixes to test, but two's enough for tomorrow.
16:56 gmcharlt Dyrcona: I believe security-only at this point (or well, perhaps after 2.8.8 is cut), following the pattern
16:57 Dyrcona OK. Sounds reasonable.
16:57 Dyrcona The next dot releases are scheduled for the same day as the hackfest at the conference, btw.
17:18 Bmagic does the purchase need to take place through acq in order for those requests to be acted on?
17:19 jihpringle Bmagic: yes, staff have to place the requests
17:19 Bmagic ah, sorry, im not coming up with much for documentation on the subject
17:20 jihpringle we tested the functionality a while ago and decided that it wasn't ready for our libraries yet
17:20 jihpringle I don't think it's been documented yet
17:20 Bmagic right on - well, it looks promising. Perhaps a new tab in the patron OPAC interface?
17:22 jihpringle Bmagic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1234247
17:22 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1234247 in Evergreen "Request for Improvements to the Patron Requests UI" [Wishlist,Triaged]
17:24 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1269865 in Evergreen "ACQ user request can result in double (or quadruple) holds placement" [Medium,Confirmed]
17:24 Bmagic ooo, good info!
17:24 Bmagic jihpringle++
17:26 jihpringle I know I have some notes somewhere about other bugs/development needs for this from when we tested it that never made it to launchpad
17:26 jihpringle I'll see if I can find them and get them up
17:27 kmlussier Bmagic: I'm not sure about a new tab in the OPAC interface (I would have to give it some thought), but, if you could handle it elegantly without cluttering the interface, I think it would make sense to put something on a search results page.
17:27 kmlussier Since that's the place where the user is most likely to discover that the library doesn't own the item.
17:28 kmlussier Of course, I imagine it would also lead to many requests for things that just weren't found, even if the library owns it.
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Results for 2016-03-30

15:31 Dyrcona That's strange. I've run that script two or three times now and not had a problem with it.
15:35 jeffdavis Yeah, the asset.copy record with id = 9680394 still exists just before COMMIT.
15:36 jeffdavis Maybe this db snapshot is corrupt or something.
15:37 jeff test by creating a dummy table with a BIGINT NOT NULL REFERENCES asset.copy(id) and then try to insert 9680394 to that field?
15:37 Dyrcona Doesn't look like that part of the upgrade scripts does any deletes.
15:37 berick jeff: i'm guessing you have not tried the 2.10 upgrade script yet...
15:37 jeff it's possible that a bad index could be causing you grief...
15:49 berick jeff: ugh, well, i was just wondering what the odds of this actually being a problem are
15:49 berick but, i guess 100% in your case :)
15:50 * berick will continue opening bug
15:50 * tsbere wonders if there is a difference between "select from asset.copy where id = blah" and "select from only asset.copy where id = blah" in this case
15:51 * tsbere has also not actually been following anything
15:52 tsbere jeffdavis / jeff/ berick : Do you all remember that serial.unit inherits from asset.copy so all serial.unit entries are also asset.copy entries, but that as a result foreign keys don't work to asset.copy.id?
15:53 * tsbere bases this question on the comment about testing with a REFERENCES asset.copy(id) earlier
15:54 jeffdavis tsbere: ah!
15:54 berick trying to remember how serials + circulation works now..
15:54 Dyrcona jeffdavis: That would be something to check if the id exists in serial.unit.
16:15 jeffdavis Well, removing the FK reference on action.usr_circ_history.target_copy did allow the upgrade script to commit without errors.
16:15 jeff > These deficiencies will probably be fixed in some future release, but in the meantime considerable care is needed in deciding whether inheritance is useful for your application.
16:16 Dyrcona :)
16:16 berick jeffdavis: thanks for testing and confirming that
16:17 jeff that statement (or a singular variant of it) has been in the Postgresql docs at least as early as 7.3 :-)
16:17 Dyrcona Well, jeff, you can always step up to write the code to address the deficiencies. :)
16:17 jeffdavis berick: easily done, and now I have a 2.10 server to play with - thanks for the help!
16:20 jeff tsbere: patches welcome!
16:20 Dyrcona heh
16:20 jeff :-)
16:20 * tsbere doesn't know enough about using serials to test anything he did write, so will have to pass on writing the changes himself <_<
16:21 * Dyrcona thinks someone who uses serials should do that one. :)
16:30 * miker scrolls up...
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19:35 * kmlussier likes test plans that end with "the checkout should not explode."
19:35 kmlussier berick++
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Results for 2016-03-29

12:39 Dyrcona "For printing HTML, we are using the brand new JDK version 8."
12:39 Dyrcona And, yeah, the classes are part of JavaFX.
12:40 Dyrcona What I've seen, playing with JavaFX 8, is that there are differences between Oracle's JDK and OpenJDK.
12:40 Dyrcona The README specifies it has not been tested with OpenJDK.
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Results for 2016-03-28

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14:14 Dyrcona I'm trying to figure out staff passwords from concerto for test writing, and I must be missing something.
14:16 Dyrcona The usrname and passwd do not match what is in tests/datasets/sql/users_staff_134.sql.
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14:20 Dyrcona All right I figured it out.
14:21 Dyrcona At some point, they get the shortname of their home/work ou tacked onto the front of the usrname.
14:24 Dyrcona Writing and testing the tests is taking more time than the original code, a lot more time....
15:08 Dyrcona Great. Severe query error and nothing in the postgres logs that looks related.
15:10 Dyrcona Figured it out....
15:10 Dyrcona typo in a field name.
15:13 pinesol_green JBoyer: It is so.
15:13 JBoyer BOOM.
15:18 Dyrcona Not my day....
15:18 Dyrcona I reloaded the database, ran the test again, and boom!
15:18 Dyrcona I forgot to git pull, first....
15:19 Dyrcona So, reloading the database, yet again...
15:19 Dyrcona I'm not counting.

Results for 2016-03-25

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12:31 mmorgan related question. Is a database query to update money.billing.voided = true sufficient to void a billing, or does something else need to happen?
12:32 phasefx mmorgan: I believe there's also voider and void time
12:34 mmorgan Ah. Ok. Of course, that makes sense. Thanks.
12:35 * mmorgan will try it out on a test system.
12:36 mmorgan phasefx++
12:37 phasefx mmorgan: I would sanity check the associated transaction in money.materialized_billable_xact_summary
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12:37 phasefx mmorgan: I don't know how, but sometimes I would get that table out of sync with stuff I did with the payments and billings tables, and would have to recreate it
17:31 kmlussier miker++
18:00 jeff most recent comment on bug 1174498 makes me concerned
18:00 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1174498 in Evergreen "Payment by billing type breakdown" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1174498
18:00 * jeff looks
18:00 jeff well that's unfortunate.
18:01 jeff my fault for not being more forceful with my feedback.
18:02 jeff it seems that we've moved away from a linear timeline with billings and payments, though i could be wrong. more digging required.
18:03 jeff if that is the case, i'm strongly in favor of fixing it. the bad news is that it will probably take some work. the good news is that it will probably result in a lot more tests being written. ;-)
18:05 jeff drat. dug, found it.
18:05 jeff # Try to map payments to bills by amounts starting with the
18:05 jeff # largest payments:
18:05 jeff
18:06 jeff that's not how this works. that's not how any of this works. :-)
18:23 jeff first i should catch up on the rest of the billing changes.
18:47 jeff I wonder if there's a way to fix this without resorting to two types of transactions.
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19:48 * jeff reads old bugs
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21:18 miker jeff: oh, I should have been paying more attention too... yeah, matching amounts seems like a non-starter to me
21:29 jeff @praise SIGSTOP
22:05 jeff heh
22:05 Bmagic yeah, it gets muddy for sure. I look at mmpbbt as "best effort" or "best guess"
22:05 Bmagic and I think our libraries undestand that. Sometimes, a human still needs to step in and make a call
22:07 Bmagic with that said - I have put untold hours into testing and watching the code interact with the data, and I'm feeling pretty good about the job that it will do for our libraries who look at the results
22:20 jeff Bmagic++
22:21 Bmagic jeff++

Results for 2016-03-24

09:37 jeff Some other things to consider are that you're going to need a decent amount of RAM (2 to 3 GB dedicated to Evergreen's use) on that laptop to run Evergreen with any kind of success, even for evaluation purposes. What is your goal with this installation?
09:38 scrawler ok I'm back.
09:38 scrawler this thing has 4 gigs of ram. I'd like to evaluate evergreen for use in a high school library.
09:38 jeff And expanding on what was said earlier and repeating something that was said when you were changing clients: Arch Linux may work, but is not supported or tested, and you may run into difficulties during installation or operation that we won't be able to help you with easily.
09:39 scrawler I understand.
09:41 Dyrcona scrawler: If you're running the database and everything on the same system, I recommend at least 8GB of RAM just to kick the tires, particularly if the hardware is not solely dedicated to Evergreen.
09:41 Dyrcona I build vms with 4GB of RAM for test purposes and the database runs on a dedicated server, and that is cutting it close sometimes.
09:42 csharp scrawler: I would scrounge around for an unused desktop with at least 4GB of RAM and install Ubuntu (server) or Debian (with no GUI) and start there
09:43 Dyrcona Yeah, 4GB might work for everything, but it would be a tight fit.
09:44 scrawler Well, this very box had debian on it to begin with, and I successfully got opensrf running, at least.
09:54 scrawler ok, thank you guys. I'm going to see if I can put together an old desktop and try again with debian.
09:56 scrawler are there any alternative (quicker) ways to evaluate, like a hosted instance?
09:56 scrawler a really cheap hosted instance?
09:57 csharp scrawler: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/​doku.php?id=community_servers has some test servers you can play in
09:58 csharp scrawler: also, if you want to investigate paid support options: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/dok​u.php?id=faqs:evergreen_companies
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10:01 scrawler thanks for the links--looking at them now :)
10:05 scrawler Thanks again everybody. ttys.
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15:26 kmlussier miker: The activity metric for holds ratios, the first number of the ratio is looking at the number of holds in the action.hold_copy_map? Am I interpreting that correctly?
15:31 miker kmlussier: yes, you are.  holds-on-copies / copies
15:32 kmlussier miker: Thanks!
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16:16 * kmlussier decides to test the 'o, africa!' bug fix while waiting for activity badge scores to recalculate.
16:17 mmorgan kmlussier++
16:18 kmlussier What I like about that bug is that it's easy to find in LP. There aren't many eg bugs that have o africa in them.
16:33 abneiman miker: thanks for the additional info!  Sorry, I wandered off for 2 hrs -- was forced to drive around the county on a beautiful day to fix some printers.  Tough life. :)
17:52 pinesol_green gmcharlt: Quote #35: "<tsbere> We have collective sanity left? We might want to double-check on that. ;)" (added by bshum at 05:00 PM, November 06, 2012)
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21:17 kmlussier @quote random
21:17 pinesol_green kmlussier: Quote #134: "10:04 < Dyrcona> He's running the scripts....He's checkin' 'em twice. He's gonna find out which are naughty or nice. Santa Dev is testing a branch." (added by csharp at 11:11 AM, December 16, 2015)
21:53 bshum gmcharlt++ # web server poking
21:58 bshum @roulette
21:58 pinesol_green bshum: *click*

Results for 2016-03-23

10:08 jeff what, you were planning on porting to openbsd running on an E25K or something? :-)
10:09 Dyrcona Well, I've got a spare box with an Atom D525 and 2GB of RAM..... ;)
10:09 Dyrcona But, seriously, I think finishing the FreeBSD port and then working on OpenBSD would be a good way to go.
10:23 Dyrcona So, I'm looking at writing a Perl test for a change to abort transit behavior.
10:23 Dyrcona I wonder if we want to renumber the names of some of the test in live_t?
10:23 Dyrcona kmlussier asked about this before.
10:24 Dyrcona We've got 3 tests numbered 10- and 2 that are 12-.
10:24 kmlussier +1 to renumbering
10:39 Dyrcona Tests are often more complicated than the code changes that they are testing.
10:49 Dyrcona Speaking of tests: Bailout called.  Further testing stopped:  cannot test opt-in unless enabled in opensrf.xml
10:50 Dyrcona Maybe that should fail a bit more gracefully, with the remaining tests being optional?
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10:57 Dyrcona Two hundred lines of test script for a 4-line change in the code....Sounds about right. ;)
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11:01 jeff in theory, those two hundred lines now will be run many times over their lifetime, and will prevent future headaches. :-)
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11:10 Dyrcona Y'know, I find myself copying and pasting a lot of code from test script to another.
11:11 Dyrcona Maybe that should get added to TestUtils?
11:11 Dyrcona Specifically code to retrieve patrons and copies.
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15:53 dbs csharp++ # fedora fedora fedora
16:15 * Dyrcona thinks he has seriously underestimated the lines of test script.
16:17 JBoyer "I have made the test more trying; pray I do not try it any further."
16:18 kmlussier miker / gmcharlt: What exactly is the On-line bib has attributes parameter looking at? Is it any record with a particular record attribute, even if it doesn't have URIs?
16:19 Dyrcona JBoyer: In a private convo with kmlussier, I said, "These are no the Perl tests you are looking for."
16:19 Dyrcona s/no/not/
16:19 * Dyrcona shoulda copied and pasted.
16:20 kmlussier It's always a shame when you mess up a punchline with typo.
16:20 Dyrcona Indeed.
16:21 JBoyer It was either that, or "You may test me now, but I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"
16:30 miker kmlussier: the intent is those with located URIs
16:33 JBoyer csharp, do you know if anyone at PINES is running reports that look at the Dewey ranges? We've got a couple simple reports that try to do circ counts by range and they take over 4 hours to run. Not good. :-/
16:34 kmlussier miker: Ah, ok. The on-line one is uris' only, "bib has attributes and copies" is copies only, and then "bib has attributes and copies or URIs" is a combination of the two?

Results for 2016-03-22

09:38 csharp @loves
09:38 pinesol_green csharp loves supybot plugins; virtualization; lasagna; logs; clarity; all y'all; upgrades; tpac; git; this venue; google; not being evil; when evergreen problems turn out to be staff error; the Jedi; pgadmin; policy; lynx; autoupdate; coffee; db02; kvm; CWMARS; mobile catalog; vim; snow; pizza; google forms; chicken soup; cilantro; actual fun; supybot; vimdiff; felafel; and postgresql
09:38 csharp @hates
09:38 pinesol_green csharp hates dojo_hold_policies_interface; SIP; when libraries purchase third party products without testing and blame Evergreen for it not working; reports; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa; evil; reports more; reports even moar; details; reports even more; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out (1 more message)
09:38 csharp @more
09:38 pinesol_green csharp: when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa even more; having to teach SIP2 client vendors about the SIP2 specification; troubleshooting reports; money reports; marc; reports even more than before; the EDI ruby bits; acquisitions; <quote>fun<unquote>; edi; sip2; sip too; sip two; acq; acq more; acq way more than before; omg I hate acq; and omg I love acq
09:42 gmcharlt csharp: some rebalancing may be in order... ;)
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13:05 jeffdavis jeff: Theoretically yes. Work is focused on having a more generic "API integration" module for EG, with OneClickdigital as the first target (sort of like the added content module).
13:06 jeffdavis We've been talking about it at Sitka in terms of OneClickdigital specifically but I would expect to extend that for Zinio.
13:08 * jeff nods
13:08 jeff It sounds like we have some interest here. I'd be happy to test and/or collaborate. Keep it in mind. I'll keep my eyes on the bug. :-)
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13:39 dbs Dyrcona++ # pingest
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14:49 pinesol_green Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2016/evergreen.2016-03-22-14.04.html
14:49 pinesol_green Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2016/evergreen.2016-03-22-14.04.txt
14:49 pinesol_green Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2016/evergreen.2016-03-22-14.04.log.html
15:15 gmcharlt kmlussier: worked this up for your benefit in testing, but others may find it useful
15:15 gmcharlt memcdump --servers localhost|grep open-ils.search | xargs -n 1 memcrm --servers localhost
15:16 gmcharlt ^^ way to clear all cached catalog search results -- can be useful when testing certain tweaks
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Results for 2016-03-21

11:22 berick huh, a "round" of robins
11:24 mmorgan Really?
11:24 * mmorgan didn't know that
11:25 berick first time using virt-manager's network install option today.  (testing xenial).  pleased at how simple it is.
11:27 Dyrcona berick++
11:27 jeff where you're PXE booting a vm or other client, and installing from the network with a preseed.txt or similar so that you've got a zero-prompt install?
11:27 Dyrcona I've mostly used virt-manager to fix a "busted" vm.
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12:02 * tsbere has come up with a way to make AddedContent use B&T ISBNs, but isn't sure he likes it
12:05 StomproJosh tsbere, I would be happy to test it out.
12:09 tsbere StomproJosh: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=work​ing/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/​heads/user/tsbere/lp1559281_bt_isbns
12:09 * tsbere dumped a link onto bug 1559281 as well
12:09 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1559281 in Evergreen "Added Content: Allow fake ISBNs to be sent to providers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559281
12:14 StomproJosh gmcharlt, I've only seen a few, we try to add the UPC if it isn't there to bypass this issue, I don't know how often that is needed though.
12:18 jeff Sure would be nice if the Business::ISBN docs matched the code.
12:20 jeff is_valid_checksum returns Business::ISBN::BAD_CHECKSUM for 9786316294241, but Business::ISBN::GOOD_ISBN if we set $Business::ISBN::country_data{631} as in tsbere's branch.
12:22 tsbere jeff: And to think, I just kindof guessed as to how I should set it, found it worked on one test, and then made a branch.
12:23 jeff lovely, if i run ->fix_checksum (which seems like a terrible idea in almost every case), the isbn value is not modified but now is_valid_checksum returns Business::ISBN::GOOD_ISBN
12:24 jeff (that last was with no changes to $Business::ISBN::country_data)
12:24 jeff at least at first glance, that behavior strikes me as a bug in Business::ISBN, but even if so, and if reported, we pretty much need to at least work around it for now.
15:12 Dyrcona It caused too much confusion when different libraries were doing parts differently.
15:12 * mmorgan nods.
15:16 Bmagic gmcharlt bummer :(
15:18 * Dyrcona doesn't generally test Vandelay.
15:19 gmcharlt it appears that the upgrade script was created by copying and pasting some bits from a terminal that was 80 characters wide
15:20 gmcharlt and, amazingly, one line was truncated there but ended up with the results being syntatically correct
15:20 mmorgan :-(
17:37 dbs Looks like we have 2 total copies since we migrated that have that.
17:37 Bmagic it's fooling me. The example I have from 2016, had it's status changed in 2011
17:41 * dbs wonders if IRC search is known not-working: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen​/search/?nick=dbwells&amp;q=datafield returns an "Internal search error"
17:42 dbwells dbs: anything I can help answer, or am I just a test case?  :)
17:44 dbs dbwells: sorry, just a test case, I was trying to track down the xpath discussions from before
17:44 dbs found them manually, but was surprised search was erroring out
17:45 Bmagic google is handy for me
17:45 Bmagic site: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org  xpath
17:46 dbs Bmagic: sure, but the internal search should either work or not be there

Results for 2016-03-18

07:10 pinesol_green` kmlussier: Seekonk, MA :: Clear :: 39F/4C | Wind Chill: 35F/2C | Friday: Sunshine and clouds mixed. High around 55F. Winds W at 15 to 25 mph. Friday Night: Some clouds this evening will give way to mainly clear skies overnight. Low 28F. Winds NW at 10 to 15 mph.
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07:56 bshum Hmm, just noticed that the README still says "Evergreen 2.8 has been tested with..." for both 2.9 and 2.10. Probably a matter of updating that part in master/branching of new series
07:57 bshum That's better, stupid `
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12:16 * dbs just got "api_8eb3a7c…__fr.js?callback=g​oogle.loader.callbacks.books:63 Mixed Content: The page at 'https://laurentian.concat.ca/eg/opa​c/record/729926?locg=105#gbp_extra' was loaded over HTTPS, but requested an insecure script 'http://books.google.ca/books?id=ELieXMxR1h​4C&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=isbn%3A…25&hl=fr&cd=1&source=gbs_api&jscmd=run​&callback=google.books.__callback._0'. This request has
12:16 * dbs been blocked; the content must be served over HTTPS."
12:17 mmorgan ...after incorporating some changes to the way it opens the preview to get around the http/https thing
12:17 csharp mmorgan: do you have a sample record that shows it?  my test searches aren't yielding results with Google Preview
12:17 csharp dbs: gotcha
12:17 mmorgan looking...
12:18 dbs http://catalog.noblenet.org/eg/opac/record/2279981
12:18 dbs Preview at right, opens in a new tab. That would avoid HTTP/HTTPS issues, yep.

Results for 2016-03-17

10:10 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1542495 in Evergreen "OpenILS::SIP::clean_text() can crash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1542495
10:36 Dyrcona My understanding is that SIPServer only turns on error checking if the client requests it.
10:36 Dyrcona Not that that helps much.
10:39 jeff Dyrcona: well, not exactly... but that's another bug. :-)
10:40 jeff But whenever touching something that has potential to impact error checking, I'm increasingly tempted to just rip it out, rather than test it.
10:49 Dyrcona I'm pretty sure that we have clients that do error checking. Whether or not that can be turned off is a different question.
10:50 gmcharlt ditto
10:51 * Dyrcona just wishes there was a decent standard for this stuff, and no NCIP2 does not count!

Results for 2016-03-16

14:57 kmlussier miker: Do you think it's useful to point people to the logs before the discussion or at the end?
14:58 berick Dyrcona: if you are switching between master and 2.9, you'll have to ./configure again
14:58 Dyrcona I'm building from the tarball and things seem really wrong.
14:59 berick ah, haven't tried that yet.  i'm building a 2.8.6 install now to test the upgrade script.  will test my tarball in a few mins
14:59 Dyrcona My server seems to be adding the unaccent extension or something, and then everything blows up.
15:00 afterl kmlussier:  I'm not miker, but I think having the logs handy during the discussion is a good idea - you can easily search on a word like "popular" like I just did to see if it had already been discussed
15:00 Dyrcona No, unaccent is not in the list of extensions, but meeting....
15:19 kmlussier sarahchilds: Ah, I see. So it's a "Did you mean?" but leveraging authority data. Gotcha.
15:19 sarahchilds If you do a search for Samuel Clemens, it would suggest Mark Twain
15:20 dbs I'd like to see grouping of search results based on external links to, say, OCLC Work Entities
15:20 kmlussier To follow up on what afterl said, we do have activity metrics coming to search that afterl and I have been testing. But the blending of popularity with relevance is tricky. And we're still working on it / testing it.
15:21 kmlussier dbs: Can you give me an example of a search that would use that and how the info would be presented to the user?
15:24 dbs kmlussier: sure. A regular search for "Huckleberry Finn" would give you all of the hits for "Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" based on keywords
15:24 dbs but using links to OCLC Work Entities, you could group those records even if they were in different languages and the words appeared nowhere in the record
15:25 kmlussier Ah, nice! Thanks for the explanation dbs!
15:33 kmlussier sarahchilds: So improvements in relevance. Do you find there are specific problems in relevance that cause those records to appear low in the list?
15:34 terran And of course, a good "did you mean...?" service to accommodate mis-spellings and related topics
15:35 sarahchilds One of the issues I get complaints about is that our users expect to be weighed more heavily
15:35 kmlussier terran / rhamby: On the popularity front, afterl had brought this up earlier, but there is an ongoing project as rhamby noted, but, from early testing, we're also looking at ways to better blend bib relevance with popularity. Which is tricky.
15:35 sarahchilds expect *title* to be weighed more heavily
15:35 kmlussier sarahchilds: Thanks! Then field-weighting is important.
15:36 terran Yes, I strongly agree with weighing title (and primary author) more heavily

Results for 2016-03-15

16:05 gmcharlt demo.evergreencatalog.com is now running 2.10-rc with webstaff enabled
16:05 kmlussier gmcharlt++
16:06 kmlussier pams: I have some notes on hyphenation that I can share with you. I just need to find the link.
16:06 miker tl;dr: there are things that can be done at the DB level to implement many of the things you talked about re synonyms and thesauri, though to leverage the full power they'd require some indexing work as well, for thesaurus dictionaries in particular (I think ... testing needed)
16:07 pams kmlussier: thank you, I'd appreciate that
16:07 miker but synonym dictionaries should be doable today (sans staff UI)
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Results for 2016-03-14

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09:58 yboston Morning, here is the link for today's DIG hackfest Google Hangout https://hangouts.google.com/hangou​ts/_/berklee.edu/digeg210hackfest
10:31 yboston Does anyone know what version of EG is demo.evergreencatalog.com running? I wanted to use it to write docs for EG 2.10
10:32 yboston alternatively, does anyone know of a test server running EG 2.10.x I could log into?
10:36 kmlussier We have a test server running 2.10
10:36 * kmlussier checks to see which one it is
10:37 kmlussier http://mlnc3.mvlcstaff.org/
10:38 kmlussier Client can be downloaded from http://mlnc3.mvlcstaff.org​/updates/manualupdate.html
10:44 * kmlussier notes that the web client is not running on that server
10:50 yboston kmlussier: thanks
10:50 yboston kmlussier: is is a typical login for that server?
10:50 yboston *is it

Results for 2016-03-10

11:18 mmorgan Forsyth: One more question: To recover, do you force close Evergreen and restart the client, or is it necessary to reboot the workstation?
11:18 Forsyth on the ram, i have checked resources as well as other apps work fine.  just evergreen stops responding to keyboard and mouse input
11:18 gmcharlt Forsyth: what sort of internet connection does that branch have? a high-latency one could cause issues. Another potential source of problems is that branch (and only that branch) running a firewall, content filter, or caching proxy server that adds latency to interactions with Evergreen
11:19 kmlussier For the logs, after several tests, I'm confirming that the regex for the username setting is not consulted at patron registration or when editing a patron record.
11:19 Forsyth they have a 35/5 time warner connection, as our other branches
11:19 * kmlussier will file a bug to update the description for the setting.
11:20 Forsyth as you can see it is one of those frustrating intermittent issues we can't put a finger on
11:22 Dyrcona @blame bad Feng Shui
11:22 pinesol_green Dyrcona: bad Feng Shui wants the TRUTH?! bad Feng Shui CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!
11:24 Forsyth i'd like to perform a ping test from our network router to the evergreen server if possible, to see if we have any drops throughout the day
11:24 Forsyth is there a server name or IP i could use
11:26 Dyrcona Forsyth: That would be the name of your Evergreen server from the staff client login screen.
11:26 Forsyth ok, thanks

Results for 2016-03-08

11:16 yboston kmlussier: his biggest complaint was that there are HTML tables inside of HTML tables used
11:16 yboston kmlussier: when listing volume/copy info
11:16 yboston kmlussier: extremely hard to navigate thorugh with a screen reader
11:16 kmlussier I no longer have access to JAWS, so I don't know if I can re-test it
11:16 kmlussier yboston: Also, do you know if he had javascript turned off?
11:17 yboston kmlussier: I might have made a bug about the nested table?
11:17 yboston kmlussier: I was standign right next to him and saw the autosuggest trigger
11:17 kmlussier yboston: I don't remember seeing it, but I find I'm having a difficult time remembering LP bugs as well as I used to.

Results for 2016-03-07

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09:30 jboyer berick: did you mention in the last couple of months that you couldn't disable some version of ssl because the XUL client could no longer connect? Google-ing the logs is letting me down if so.
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09:32 Dyrcona jboyer: That is true. berick did say that, and I confirmed it with a quick test on my development system.
09:32 Dyrcona You can, I believe disable SSL, but you can't disable certain versions of TLS.
09:33 * Dyrcona can't comma right.
09:34 jboyer Oh. That does sound more familiar. TLS 1.1 or 1.2 maybe. I was trying to look it up while I wait for my car to be repaired, this is how I stay entertained these days, I guess.
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11:08 Bmagic bug 1437112 - was tested on bug squashing day and received sign offs. I noticed that it may* have introduced issues with the search screen
11:08 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1437112 in Evergreen "not possible to set workstation preferences in web staff client" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437112
11:08 Bmagic https://sb1.missourievergreen.​org/eg/staff/cat/catalog/index
11:08 Bmagic gadmin/admin
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12:09 kmlussier Bmagic: I believe Dyrcona loaded it on his dev server at one time along with several other branches. There were some issues, and he removed most of the branches because I had to focus my testing elsewhere. I never identified which branch was causing the problem.
12:10 kmlussier Bmagic: I'm pretty sure it was the same issue you're seeing now. I would say that branch isn't ready to go.
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12:15 kmlussier Bmagic: Hmmm...It looks like the weird behavior happens only if you don't set your workstation search preferences. Once you set them, the advanced search screens come up okay for m.
12:16 kmlussier Perhaps the tester started by setting the worsktation preferences and didn't notice that the search screen was messed up when the preferences weren't set.
12:19 Bmagic kmlussier: I registered my workstation, and I am still getting {{label}} all over that page
12:19 kmlussier Bmagic: That's the branch where you had to resolve conflicts, right? That should also be noted on the bug. Do you want to add a comment to the bug or should I?
12:19 kmlussier Bmagic: No, it's not the workstation registration that fixed the display. It was setting the default search preferences.

Results for 2016-03-04

09:34 Dyrcona csharp: Makes sense to me.
09:34 Dyrcona If it appears to work, I'll sign off on the branch, and then comment on the bug that I don't think it should be backported and why.
09:42 kmlussier Dyrcona: +1
09:43 * Dyrcona adds accents to his name, so he has something to test with.
09:43 kmlussier Dyrcona: I think there are two types of reingests required: record attribute and then another one for the new genre index.
09:44 Dyrcona So, would that be a search reingest?
09:44 Dyrcona Or facets....
10:02 Dyrcona Too many staff clients open.... :)
10:02 Dyrcona OK, fine with me.
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10:04 Dyrcona My name turns out to be a good one to use for testing, because we have about 35 patrons with the same last name.
10:07 Dyrcona There aren't any tests on that branch.
10:07 Dyrcona So, it needs another signoff anyway.
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10:14 hopkinsju Good morning my friends! Happy Bug Squashing Day!
10:35 Dyrcona I can add the new cancel reason, but the check boxes are all inactive.
10:36 Dyrcona lualaba__: Did you see the bug that I mentioned to you above?
10:39 lualaba__ https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1491962 ?
10:39 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1491962 in Evergreen 2.8 "Fix for 1484281 breaks live test" [Undecided,Fix released]
10:39 lualaba__ what i understand here in new release was fixed
10:40 Dyrcona lualaba__: No, lp 1531953
10:40 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1531953 in Evergreen "Z39.50 Import Fast Item Add Yields Unsaved Data Popup " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1531953
10:44 lualaba__ thats no problem just popip thank you
10:44 mmorgan lualaba__: It's just a pop up issue.  Here is a related bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1491875
10:44 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1491875 in Evergreen "Erroneous "Tab may have unsaved data" message when creating new MARC record" [Undecided,New]
10:44 csharp Dyrcona: in my testing, the newly created reason is "checkable" - the ones that are inactive have ids < 2000
10:44 Dyrcona you click the exclamation point next to "Does this bug affect you?" and that might help it get more attention for a fix.
10:44 mmorgan These two bugs may actually be the same issue
10:45 Dyrcona csharp: I can't check anything, not even the new one.
10:45 csharp hmm - I'll try again after I get done testing dbwells's branch for bug 1528627
10:45 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1528627 in Evergreen "Feature Request: Evergreen "su/sudo" functionality" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1528627
10:46 Dyrcona Switch User is not good enough, eh? :)
10:47 csharp :-)
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11:18 Dyrcona csharp: Your branch fixes it for me.
11:19 csharp Dyrcona: awesome
11:20 Dyrcona I'll run your test. Looks like it should work with my data.
11:20 Dyrcona If that passes, I'll push it.
11:22 Dyrcona Works for me! :)
11:22 csharp Dyrcona++
14:30 bshum Wrong user or missing bashrc path.
14:30 * bshum will take Evergreen Troubleshooting for 400, please Alex.
14:31 Dyrcona Tell 'im what he didn't win, Don Pardo.
14:38 jihpringle kmlussier: I'm testing the two unclaimed self check bugs (1370694 and 1551447)
14:38 kmlussier jihpringle++
14:39 kmlussier jihpringle: You've got the server details, right?
14:39 jihpringle yes

Results for 2016-03-03

08:24 * pinesol_green Shall I compare Terran to a summer's day? Terran is more lovely and more temperate.
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08:36 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1371647: fix thinko with ID re-pinning - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=896461c>
08:42 kmlussier I had a thought for doing something new for this Bug Squashing Day that we might want to do on the days that fall after a beta release.
08:43 kmlussier It might be a good opportunity to get volunteers to walk through some of the test cases on the Evergreen wiki to check for bugs in the beta release. Just to make sure it really does get tested.
08:49 Dyrcona Yep, and/or run the test suite.
08:50 gmcharlt Dyrcona: would you have a moment now to test a patch for 1505286?
08:51 Dyrcona gmcharlt: I would, but I also made my own yesterday. :)
08:52 JBoyer lp 1505286
08:52 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1505286 in Evergreen "set limit on facets retrieved during search" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505286
08:53 Dyrcona gmcharlt kmlussier: BTW, I just installed screen on my development system. I thought you might prefer that over tmux.
08:53 gmcharlt Dyrcona: ah, cool; I'll just run with that, though I'm inclined to add a second update to force cases where the patch applied successfully on 9.2+ to use the older-style syntax
08:54 Dyrcona gmcharlt: That works for me, if you think it is best.
08:54 kmlussier Well, then test suite is already running twice a day, isn't it?
08:55 Dyrcona kmlussier: Yes, I suppose it is.
08:56 * gmcharlt claims 0970
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17:48 jeffdavis dbs: I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at that
17:49 jeffdavis berick: cool, thank you
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18:36 bshum Well, we're making some progress
18:36 bshum http://testing.evergreen-i​ls.org/~live/test.24.html
18:36 bshum Failed test because opt-in wasn't enabled in opensrf.xml
18:36 bshum But the DB build works now
18:43 kmlussier OK, all the Sandbox details have been emailed to our Bug Squashers. I'm calling it a night. G'night #evergreen!
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Results for 2016-03-02

21:44 bshum Or perhaps the RSS for live tests doesn't work the way that some other RSS does
21:44 kmlussier Yeah, I've seen a couple of attempts to get it working again.
21:44 kmlussier Anyway, it's late. Have a nice night everyone!
21:48 bshum @rss add qatests http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html
21:48 pinesol_green bshum: The operation succeeded.
21:49 bshum @rss announce qatests
21:49 pinesol_green bshum: Error: 'qatests' is not a valid integer.
21:49 pinesol_green bshum: Error: Couldn't get RSS feed.
21:49 bshum Hmm
21:49 bshum @rss announce add qatests
21:49 pinesol_green bshum: The operation succeeded.
21:51 pinesol_green News from qatests: Test Failure - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
21:52 bshum :)
21:52 bshum Let's see how that goes for awhile.
21:58 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] clear slate of release notes for master - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=64b518b>

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