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Results for 2014-11-06

14:49 yboston remingtron: is that what you meant?
14:49 yboston I was not aware of that
14:50 remingtron hm, let me check his email...
14:50 yboston also, we could have the second server be used to test re-organizations
14:50 kmlussier It's not just the multiple builds. If we want to make changes to the docs site, it's good to have a place to test them out ahead of time before putting them into production.
14:50 yboston though in theory we can set up Robert's server to do that, though I beleive his servers are pretty taxed already
14:50 remingtron on 10/3/2014 Robert emailed me and yboston, saying he added a 1pm build time to his docs server

Results for 2014-11-05

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07:19 csharp @later tell Bmagic yeah, I've consistently seen that problem with the permissions group UI.  The problem with "just use the database" is that it puts a burden on system staff with server-level access to do things that should be available to non-technical users.
07:19 pinesol_green csharp: The operation succeeded.
09:16 bshum Before I cut 2.7.1 today, hoping finish looking over https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1366964
09:16 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1366964 in Evergreen "Transaction Issues with libdbi 0.9.0" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,Confirmed]
09:17 bshum And also, have to finish setting up my build environment to get the web client stuff properly into the tarball
09:18 csharp bshum: what would be the most effective way to test the fix to the libdbi bug?
09:19 csharp Dyrcona: weren't you only experiencing the issue under conditions of higher load?
09:19 * csharp re-reads
09:19 bshum csharp: I was going to try following what happened in the bug report as far as copy creation goes. And also figure out the perl test that was included.
09:20 csharp ah - there's a test
09:20 Dyrcona csharp: No, it had nothing to do with load. pcrud transactions simply failed.
09:20 bshum berick++
09:20 csharp Dyrcona: okay - my quick read several months ago clearly led to inaccurate impressions of the issue :-)
09:20 bshum csharp: If you have time to spare a look, extra eyes never hurt.
09:20 Dyrcona The fix is very simple and seems to work, but a mass delete script I tested on precise after applying the change gave me several "unknown errors."
09:21 csharp well, since we're an ubuntu shop, and this is a obvious impediment, I only think it fair that we participate ;-)
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09:58 * csharp tests the fix for bug 1366964 without issues
09:58 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1366964 in Evergreen "Transaction Issues with libdbi 0.9.0" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366964
09:58 berick to be clear, the fix to 1366964 doesn't prevent "unknown errors" (from the DB), it just allows cstore to recognize them as transient instead of "OMG DB IS DOWN"
09:58 csharp live test works fine
10:01 Dyrcona berick: I suspected as much. I'll sign off on it.
10:02 berick Dyrcona++
10:02 berick csharp++ # testing
10:02 Dyrcona If csharp wants to sign off, too, that's cool. I can wait and sign his branch then push that.
10:03 Dyrcona It's today we want to release the dot releases for 2.5, 2.6, and 2.7, right?
10:05 bshum Dyrcona: That's certainly my goal for 2.7.
10:06 bshum Dyrcona: Sounds right to me.
10:07 Dyrcona Will do.
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10:11 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1366964 Update libdbi connection test error parsing - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ca4e28a>
10:12 Dyrcona Done and done.
10:12 berick woot
10:13 Bmagic csharp: thanks for the feedback. Glad it's not just my system
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11:23 kmlussier jboyer-isl: Is bug 1210541 ready for a pullrequest tag?
11:23 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1210541 in Evergreen "Copy locations table should have a 'deleted' flag" (affected: 9, heat: 52) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210541 - Assigned to Jason Boyer (jboyer)
11:24 jboyer-isl I think so. I've tested it a bit but I haven't heard of anyone else trying it out.
11:26 jboyer-isl kmlussier, It worked well enough for me the day of the hackaway, for what that's worth.
11:26 kmlussier jboyer-isl: OK, I'll add one then. I think we have somebody here is interested in trying it out.
11:27 jboyer-isl Good to hear. Hopefully there's nothing to find. :)
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15:57 bshum Maybe it'll be helpful in my future
15:58 berick yeah, the git stuff was necessary on wheezy
15:58 bshum I'm still deciding if I want to upgrade my laptop to utopic unicorn...
15:59 berick well, hmm, trusty install 0.10.25.  earliest i tested was 0.10.28 --
16:00 berick not entirely sure what I just said is true, but likely true
16:00 bshum Heh
16:00 berick i'll give it a shot
16:01 bshum I didn't get to finish up the written instructions for the README in Evergreen for webclient building.
16:34 gmcharlt eeevil++
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16:54 phasefx that last failure includes one not related to DST: open-ils.cstore 2014-11-05 16:27:37 [ERR :21897:oils_sql.c:2483:] open-ils.cstore ERROR inserting config::copy_status object using query [INSERT INTO config.copy_status (holdable,id,name,opac_visible,c​opy_active,restrict_copy_delete) VALUES (DEFAULT,1,DEFAULT,DEFAULT,DEFAULT,DEFAULT);]: 0 ERROR:  null value in column "name" violates not-null constraint
16:55 bshum Hmm
16:56 bshum That's the new test
16:56 bshum For the libdbi thing?
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16:57 bshum Yep
16:57 phasefx the test itself didn't throw an error
16:58 bshum Hmm
16:58 phasefx live_t/08-lp1366964-libdbi-error.t ..... ok
16:59 berick that's supposed to happen
16:59 berick the point of the test is to see how it recovers from a DB error
16:59 dbwells That's great :)
17:00 phasefx k, then when we can tell the webifier thing to expect an error
17:00 * phasefx will poke
17:01 berick phasefx++
17:01 berick didn't realize it would bark at that
17:03 berick bshum: btw, initial test of nodejs package on trust looks good.  will document when i get some time
17:03 bshum berick++ # cool!
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17:08 phasefx for reference, http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=work​ing/random.git;a=commitdiff;h=298355​9ea27c6506f750a757e64d9bb4d5b43548   Haven't tested it yet
17:09 phasefx so that makes two exeptions that are DBI related :)
17:09 phasefx exceptions, even
17:10 bshum phasefx++ # nifty
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Results for 2014-11-04

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08:50 kmlussier mrpeters: DIG will take submissions in any format. We prefer AsciiDoc, but we have people who can convert content into AsciiDoc if it's submitted in another format.
08:52 mrpeters i can whip something up much quicker today without learning the formatting, though i probably should just do that
09:07 bshum eeevil: Hmm, should we push these changes to master/rel_2_7 as bug fixes? http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/​Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/co​llab/miker/web-client-sprint1-bug-fixing
09:08 bshum They're not attached to any particular LP, but I assume they should be tested and included.
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11:02 kmlussier rfrasur++
11:02 rfrasur Oy, we'll see.  Y'all know my lack of technical know how.  But...something is better than nothing, right?
11:04 yboston dwells: got a second?
11:05 kmlussier rfrasur: Our new Get Involved page may help - http://evergreen-ils.org/involvement/
11:06 kmlussier I'm going to update that page soonish to include testing too.
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11:06 rfrasur Perfect.
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13:21 berick bshum: I'll trade you bug #1366964 for bug #1369169
13:21 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1366964 in Evergreen "Transaction Issues with libdbi 0.9.0" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366964
13:21 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1369169 in OpenSRF "Add install instructions for websockets to README (and other cleanup)" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1369169
13:24 Dyrcona berick: I can test 1366964. I was waiting until some other testing was done on a vm running precise, but the person I was working with is on vacation this week, I think.
13:25 berick Dyrcona: sweet..  well, except the part where you were trying to do something else and can't ;)
13:25 Dyrcona :)
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Results for 2014-11-03

15:27 hbrennan csharp: Are those dates pretty well locked in? It's a graduation weekend, so I need all the time I can get to make it work
15:30 csharp hbrennan: I don't have enough information to answer that, but from Buzzy's report to the EOB, it sounds firm
15:31 hbrennan csharp: Thanks
16:10 jeff perl packages that include Simple in the name yet depend on:
16:10 jeff ==> Found dependencies: Capture::Tiny, Sub::Exporter, MooX::Types::MooseLike::Base, Email::Abstract, Email::Simple, List::MoreUtils, Try::Tiny, Test::More, MooX::Types::MooseLike, Moo::Role, Throwable::Error, Module::Runtime, Moo, Sub::Exporter::Util, Email::Address
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16:15 jeff > 34 distributions installed
16:21 wsmoak well csharp this is no fun at all.  I talked to my local librarians and they say that all their issues with PINES are fixed promptly and they don’t really need anything. :)
16:21 kmlussier :D
16:22 kmlussier @praise PINES
16:42 frank__ yes, the problem is that we planned to upgrade to 2.6.3 until december, Is there something I could do to solve this problem without upgrade?
16:43 Dyrcona frank__: Upgrading is the best bet, but you could apply the code from the above bug.
16:48 frank__ ok Dyrcona, thanks
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Results for 2014-11-02

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Results for 2014-11-01

00:15 jeff i haven't yet dug further into why pcrud calls to delete queued bibs (vqbr) were failing for me earlier.
00:16 jeff (they've not yet been successful, but i last tried earlier today)
00:16 jeff works in test, of course.
00:16 jeff i am reminded again why it's so funny to consider naming a test environment "theory"
00:49 jeff hrm.
01:28 * bshum still enjoys his "theory" servers :)
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Results for 2014-10-31

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Results for 2014-10-30

09:10 * pinesol_green grabs some Apple Crisp for csharp
09:12 wsmoak good morning
09:12 wsmoak remind me… what version is Pines on? (Is there a way I can tell?)  https://gapines.org/eg/opac/home
09:12 csharp wsmoak: we're on 2.5.1
09:12 csharp well, with backports, so 2.5.1+
09:13 csharp wsmoak: we have a test server running 2.7.0 at http://next.gapines.org if you're interested in that too
09:13 wsmoak well, I guess that will shortcut me going to talk to the librarian to figure out where the IT folks are :)
09:14 bshum csharp++
09:14 csharp wsmoak: are you at a PINES library?
10:49 jboyer-isl jeff, Thanks, I must not have been searching for the right thing because I didn't find either of those.
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11:15 yboston Hello everyone, I could use some advice about upgrading Postgres 9.1 to 9.2 on a test server.
11:15 yboston I want to set up this test server with production data, but my hosted productions server is running PG 9.2
11:15 yboston I have used apt-get to install postgres-9.2 on a EG 2.6.2 server, and I just ran pg_upgradecluster and got the following errors that makes me think I might have missed some steps
11:15 pastebot "yboston" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "errors running pg_upgrade_cluster" (465 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/10
11:16 yboston I ran: pg_dropcluster --stop 9.2 main   then pg_upgradecluster 9.1 main
11:16 yboston ^^ here are the errors
11:21 yboston Dyrcona: thanks again
11:24 yboston I wonder if it would be easier in the future to tweak the EG intall makefiles so that when I install EG I end up with PG 9.2 instead of 9.1?
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11:25 bshum yboston: I've done that before for some of my test servers where the default was 9.1 but I wanted 9.3.
11:25 bshum Lots of paths to completion :)
11:26 dbwells jboyer-isl: We had a computer science project team work on building a mapping system prototype for us last Dec.  It never made it to production in any form.  Still, I think I am going to try to find that code, and will post it if it is available somewhere.
11:26 Dyrcona yboston: If I've wanted something other than the default Pg version for my distro, I've usually installed the appropriate PG packages first, and then I install Evergreen.
11:27 jboyer-isl dbwells: thanks, that would be cool.
12:33 * phasefx deletes his unfillable hold now
12:33 bshum kmlussier: I wonder if that's a matter of adding ffilter="true" to the parts field in hold_pull_list.tt2
12:34 bshum If so, then fwiw, Copy Status is also not a field you can filter on?
12:34 kmlussier Really? I didn't notice that one.
12:34 kmlussier I was thinking it was probably a simple thing to fix, but I hadn't gotten around to looking at it.
12:36 kmlussier bshum: copy status gives the appearance of being sortable. But the system I'm on shows all available items, so I can't test it out to make sure it works.
12:36 bshum kmlussier: Hmm, fsort=false
12:36 bshum Is next to the parts one
12:37 * bshum sighs
12:49 bshum Yep, changing that to fsort="true" adds a selector for parts sorting
12:49 bshum Since that's always been false, since the initial add of the simplified pull list, I'd be curious if there was a design reason for that, but I doubt it.
12:50 bshum Open-ILS/src/templates/circ/hold_pull_list.tt2
12:51 kmlussier IIRC, parts weren't displaying at all during my early tests of the simplified pull lists. I'm guessing it the sorting was overlooked when it was added to the display.
12:52 kmlussier And then it was overlooked when I tested it. :(
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13:57 csharp @karma vandelay
13:57 pinesol_green csharp: Karma for "vandelay" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
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14:32 mmorgan hbrennan: As long as no one runs the "Clear holdshelf" process, the item will stay on the holdshelf.
14:33 hbrennan mmorgan: That process isn't just pulling up the list from Circ> Clear Hold Shelf, right? It's the actual check in of the item to either clear it back to Available or jump to the next person in line?
14:34 hbrennan It's times like this that I really need a time machine so I can fast forward and test things like this
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14:35 csharp hbrennan: correct, as far as I remember
14:36 berick hbrennan: just to clarify, clear shelf cancels the hold then generates a report of likely next actions for the item (hold, transit, back to shelf).  it doesn't actualy perform the checkin.
14:36 hbrennan csharp: I'm glad I'm not the only one with a fuzzy recollection on how this works
14:36 csharp check in of the item will change its status
14:37 csharp hbrennan: oh, and we don't have a time machine, but our test server is the best we can get: http://next.gapines.org
14:37 csharp ;-)
14:37 hbrennan Excellent. The reason I ask is that our hold notices for email and text clogged up, and haven't gone out since Monday. Everyone received their notice this morning, but the time has been ticking since Monday.
14:38 hbrennan I'm glad we have a little control over the process. :)
14:39 hbrennan berick: So if we don't pull items from the clear list, those items are essentially in limbo... neither still officially on hold for the original person, but not starting the clock for the next in line either?
16:31 mmorgan berick: hbrennan: not to labor the point about clearing the holdshelf (ok, I will :)) after the hold is cancelled, the item does indeed show in browse holds shelf, but you can't tell where it is just by looking at the *item*
16:37 berick mmorgan: well, dang.  i guess you can't
16:42 mmorgan Yeah :-(, lp 1271182
16:42 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1271182 in Evergreen "Item status set as "incorrectly set to on holds shelf"" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271182
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Results for 2014-10-29

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07:09 csharp @later tell kmlussier I see three messages from yesterday that I received and are showing on the archives: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-o​versight-board/2014-October/date.html#start - Buzzy's message was caught in moderation because he's not subscribed to the list - are there more?
07:09 pinesol_green csharp: The operation succeeded.

Results for 2014-10-28

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14:46 berick related, I just got around to porting the wheezy installer to trusty at random/collab/berick/trusty-auto-installer
14:46 berick bonus points for being called "trusty auto installer" ;)
14:47 bshum berick++ # that's awesome sounding :D
14:50 phasefx berick++  Do we want to separate out the qa stuff from the wheezy installer, or bundle all installers + qa together?  It looks like the trusty one would still work with the qa tests with the way it's producing output
14:51 * berick wonders if anyone has had a chance to look at bug #1366964
14:51 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1366964 in Evergreen "Transaction Issues with libdbi 0.9.0" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366964
14:51 berick phasefx: i like having the QA stuff in there
14:51 berick though, admittedly, I don't often use it all.
14:52 bshum berick: I was just looking at the code, but I'm not in a position to test till next week sometime.
14:53 * berick nods
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14:54 bshum Eager to try it out though, of course :)
14:54 phasefx berick: I think we should option out the timezone stuff.. it's important for the qa tests, maybe, but not for someone in some arbitrary timezone
14:55 phasefx s/arbitrary/different/
14:55 berick phasefx: ah, hadn't thought about that
14:55 * berick forgets what all is in the tests
14:55 phasefx something prompted us to set the timezone for the qa vm, I think
14:56 bshum Ugh, speaking of timezones.... good night folks.  See you all again in a week.
14:57 berick sleep well, bshum
15:36 hbrennan Thanks, gmcharlt
15:36 * csharp saw a huge crowd of people at the Apple Store at Lenox Mall standing around for hours *just in case* a shipment of new iPhones arrived
15:37 hbrennan I'm glad that's not even a choice for me
15:37 csharp hbrennan: fwiw, we're running our test 2.7.0 cluster on OpenSRF 2.4 alpha, and we haven't seen problems
15:38 * csharp pets his trusty Galaxy Note 2
15:38 bshum hbrennan: fwiw, we run 2.7.0ish in production with OpenSRF 2.4 alpha and haven't seen any explosions either.
15:38 hbrennan That's good to know, thanks csharp
15:38 * bshum tries to sleep again
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20:45 kmlussier @later tell csharp I think we may be having trouble with the oversight board list. There are recent 3 messages in the archive that don't appear to have been sent out.
20:45 pinesol_green kmlussier: The operation succeeded.
22:13 * jeff shakes his fist a marc_stream_importer.pl
22:13 jeff quote the script, "Failed to import 1 records"
22:19 jeff quoth, even.
22:20 jeff (not to be confused with Kvothe)
22:29 jeff ah.
22:29 jeff 1) marc_stream_importer.pl requires a full path for the spool file if running in --no-daemon mode
22:30 jeff 2) marc_stream_importer.pl deleted the spool file
22:30 jeff 3) the permissions in this particular test database are... in an interesting state.
22:42 * jeff runs smack dab into bug 1170514
22:42 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1170514 in Evergreen "vandelay.auto_overlay_bib_record discrepancy" (affected: 1, heat: 8) [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1170514
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Results for 2014-10-27

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17:25 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dananji Liyanage] Docs: Changed 'Importing materials' in the staff client section LP#1371615 - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4373455>
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Results for 2014-10-26

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17:16 jeff hrm. with those failures and no commits between (at least based on irc output) i wonder if we're running into next weekend's DST switch causing an issue. :P
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Results for 2014-10-25

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Results for 2014-10-24

15:55 pinesol_green Dyrcona: What are you asking me for?
15:56 kmlussier eightball appears to be a little snippy today.
15:56 kmlussier eightball appears to be a little snippy today.
15:59 rangi Dyrcona: my plan is to get all the unit tests up to scratch, then merge your stuff and fix until the tests pass again, moving my branch to old_stuff and the new merged branch becoming master
15:59 rangi Dyrcona: my plan is to get all the unit tests up to scratch, then merge your stuff and fix until the tests pass again, moving my branch to old_stuff and the new merged branch becoming master
15:59 Dyrcona rangi: Cool, bro. ;)
15:59 Dyrcona rangi: Cool, bro. ;)
16:00 Dyrcona I'm still working with Auto-graphics. Found some template issues last night. I botched the messages a bit.
16:00 Dyrcona I'm still working with Auto-graphics. Found some template issues last night. I botched the messages a bit.
16:00 Dyrcona Also, it seems that when validating with the schema, the order of some of the elements matters.
16:00 Dyrcona Also, it seems that when validating with the schema, the order of some of the elements matters.
16:03 rangi yeah i had to work with auto graphics too .. you'd think they would know their product better, but no ... werent able to get sample messages, couldnt set up a test instance etc ... everything just takes a zillion times longer, didnt help that they first were sending ncip 1.0 messages then changed to 2.0 mid dev stream
16:03 rangi yeah i had to work with auto graphics too .. you'd think they would know their product better, but no ... werent able to get sample messages, couldnt set up a test instance etc ... everything just takes a zillion times longer, didnt help that they first were sending ncip 1.0 messages then changed to 2.0 mid dev stream
16:17 Dyrcona Oh, I was going to do this earlier, but got distracted by work: xmllint++ xmlstarlet++
16:17 Dyrcona Oh, I was going to do this earlier, but got distracted by work: xmllint++ xmlstarlet++
16:32 kmlussier I've always wondered - is there a reason the bib record in the catalog shows both a "Next 10" link and a "show more copies" link? Shouldn't it be one or the other?
17:10 pinesol_green Hmm... kmlussier... Let me see now... RAVENCLAW!
17:11 kmlussier Heh...my daughter is amused by that.
17:11 kmlussier Heh...my daughter is amused by that.
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12:37 dbs surely we can drop the fiction that we're actually going to port to Oracle or DB2 or MariaDB by now
12:38 csharp +1
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12:38 berick dbs: indeed...  and if someone were to try such a test, recoving libdbi would the easiest part of that project.
12:38 berick s/test/task/
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12:52 gmcharlt berick: just a bit easier than implementing plpgsql for mariadb ;)
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15:11 kmlussier csharp++
15:13 csharp cool
15:14 tsbere kmlussier: Actually, if you are on any aliases, you are probably benefitting from me fixing the access list. Given that you are on the same server as me and the messages are coming from the same place ;)
15:15 kmlussier tsbere: No, I also tested with my gmail address just to rule out MVLC being the issue. :)
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17:51 whargrove Hi all, is it possible to configure evergreen to require a terminal password for SIP commands?
18:01 jeffdavis whargrove: What do you mean by a terminal password? Our SIP clients (self-check machines etc) do need to submit a username and password for authorization before they can do anything...
18:05 whargrove jeffdavis: Right, I understand that and we have verified our SIP client works with evergreen
18:05 whargrove jeffdavis: we are using Evergreen as a dev sandbox
18:06 whargrove and another vendor wants us to send terminal password and we want to test it with evergreen
18:06 whargrove not a requirement for SIP to work with evergreen, but I want to see if I can test the changes with our evergreen server
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12:34 mmorgan jboyer-isl: we're on 2.6.2, in a highly unscientific test, I just edited barcodes on 20 patrons on our training system and didn't freeze up. Are you able to reproduce?mmmpooj
12:34 mmorgan oops, sorry about that last...
12:35 jboyer-isl mmorgan: I’ve started poking around at our migration server but I’m also on a Mac here, so there are multiple variables now.
12:36 mmorgan never a shortage of variables :)
12:38 mmorgan freeze ups have been an ongoing elusive problem, we've never looked at patron edit, but we'll keep it in mind to look at now.
12:44 jboyer-isl Well, It may not be ram related. I edited maybe 7-8 accounts and the client is completely locked up, only 390MB in use on a 16GB machine. :-/
12:49 mmorgan Wow! Are you just editing barcodes?
12:50 Dyrcona jboyer-isl: Did you say you were doing this on a Mac Book?
12:51 jboyer-isl I did my personal test on an iMac, the actual issue is on Windows PCs at our new member.
12:51 jboyer-isl mmorgan: I edited barcodes and added 1 day to their birthdays as if there were other edits to make.
12:52 Dyrcona Well, I would not be surprised if XulRunner has more problems on a Mac than on other platforms.
12:52 Dyrcona In my sporadic, and unscientific testing, it certainly appears to.
12:53 jboyer-isl Dyrcona: I wouldn’t be surprised either, though I am surprised I got it to break. I can’t seem to ever run into problems when I’m trying to.
12:54 Dyrcona Well, that often happens when you want something to go wrong it doesn't. That usually means your initial impression of the problem is wrong.
12:55 Dyrcona But, for anyone following the bug email, I solved my Z39.50 problem. I made a typo in the config.

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06:30 * bshum wishes everyone a happy Monday.
06:35 bshum @later tell gmcharlt Guess we'll need a plan to upgrade Piwik someday for the webstats.http://piwik.org/blog/2014/10/announcing-piwik​-will-end-php-5-3-support-six-months-may-2015/
09:10 bshum csharp: I didn't get to finish 2.7.1 before I left for my travels
09:27 tsbere csharp: Sometimes git cherry-pick is better, wrapped in a "give me all the commit hashes from <base branch> to HEAD on the customized branch, then cherry-pick them into the new customization branch in order" - Lets you skip some of the "prep version and upgrade script" commits from release branches.
09:27 tsbere (without having to find them in the interactive list)
09:32 phasefx jeff: roger roger, thanks man re: dns and test
09:47 csharp bshum: no prob ;-)
09:47 csharp tsbere: thanks for the tip - I was able to quickly identify and comment out the undesired commits
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14:05 jeff whargrove: that said, yes Evergreen + SIPServer support it. There have been... inconsistencies identified in the standard, and I cheered when I saw that SIP3 removes checksums. :-)
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14:08 Dyrcona +1 what jeff says. Some 3M products don't do checksums correctly, and it is their protocol.
14:09 whargrove Got it, thanks for the responses
14:10 whargrove One ILS vendor we are integrating with requires checksumming ... but we wanted to test it with our evergreen sandbox first
14:10 jeff Can you name the vendor so that I can personally mock them? :-)
14:11 Dyrcona whargrove: You should ask them where the serial cables are, 'cause TCP has checksumming built in, so checksumming on top of that is redundant.
14:13 whargrove jeff: Carl.X
15:52 pinesol_green Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.
15:53 Dyrcona Too many distractions.
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16:41 phasefx qa tests passed this time, yay :)
16:43 jeff phasefx: yay. did resolv.conf have one or both of those nameservers, or was it a different issue?
16:44 phasefx jeff: right issue, different DNS servers
16:45 jeff heh
16:46 jeff did QTS recently notify customers with open resolvers or something? :-)
16:46 phasefx no, it was all our fault; change internally and qa01 is a second class citizen :)
16:47 jeff heh
16:49 jeff shows how often I use non-lowercase identifiers in postgres... couldn't figure out why certain things weren't being found.
16:50 jeff twas because the relation was named temp_Foo and unless I quoted it, it was being folded to temp_foo and not being found.
16:50 jeff of course, the error doesn't fold the case, so:
16:50 jeff jeff=> \d temp_Foo
16:50 jeff Did not find any relation named "temp_Foo".
16:51 jeff hrm. maybe part of this specific quirk is limited to temporary tables.
16:52 jeff ah, nope. did it to myself again by not quoting when I created my test.
16:52 jeff anyway.
16:53 jeff > Quoting an identifier also makes it case-sensitive, whereas unquoted names are always folded to lower case. For example, the identifiers FOO, foo, and "foo" are considered the same by PostgreSQL, but "Foo" and "FOO" are different from these three and each other.
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13:14 aashitadutta Hi Berick!
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21:58 dbs Is there a DNS problem with the test server, perhaps? ftp.mozilla.org resolves for me.
23:12 * jeff looks
23:14 jeff both nameservers configured in /etc/resolv.conf are responding to pings, and i can resolve ftp.mozilla.org without issue. hrm.
23:15 jeff (and resolv.conf has not been recently modified)
23:16 jeff and i was able to use wget to download js-1.7.0.tar.gz from ftp.mozilla.org... hrm.
23:27 jeff nothing obvious.
23:28 jeff of course, now i realize that i'm looking at testing.evergreen-ils.org, not the test VM itself. :P
23:30 jeff @later tell phasefx if the test VM is using 131.144.4.9 and/or 198.72.72.11 as nameservers, they may need replacing -- I believe those both recently started denying recursive queries from non-trusted clients
23:30 pinesol_green jeff: The operation succeeded.

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14:18 dbwells yboston: With that in mind, here is a quick draft of the call number branch you have been wanting for some time: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=workin​g/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/head​s/user/dbwells/cn_normalizer_detection
14:19 yboston dbwells: cool, I remmeber hearing some other discussion about making certain things inmuttable in PG, but did not realized it impacted CN
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14:20 dbwells yboston: I need to double-check a few things before I make a bug for it, but at least it's there now if you want to do any early testing on it.
14:20 bshum Bmagic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1382637 is a duplicate of larger discussion at https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/937789
14:20 pinesol_green bshum: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1382637 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1382637). The error has been logged
14:21 pinesol_green bshum: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #937789 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/937789). The error has been logged
14:21 * bshum pokes csharp, et al
14:21 bshum kmlussier: Unrelated, parts--
14:21 Bmagic bshum: oh thanks for that! I didnt find 937789
14:22 yboston dbwells: I don't have a test server with prod data right now, I will either build a new one or add soem test LC call numbers to test it o
14:22 yboston *too
14:40 bshum Shoot, I think I just broke Lupin :(
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19:16 csharp Bmagic: I believe the "PLACE_UNFILLABLE_HOLD" perm allows a user to place a hold *anyway* on an bib with no eligible copies
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11:25 kmlussier eeevil: Thanks for the background on the setting. It's helpful.
11:25 eeevil good! :) (and I agree on the description change)
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11:28 tsbere Looking at the reshelving complete code, I think the "fix" for allowing it to run mid-day and not screw things up may actually be a single line of code. <_< Not sure how to *test* it though.
11:29 hopkinsju tsbere: Can you put your idea into a paste? We may be able to help test it.
11:31 tsbere hopkinsju: I was thinking just drop it into a working branch you could cherry-pick from.
11:31 tsbere (and attaching said branch to the launchpad bug)
11:32 Bmagic tsbere: sounds good to me
11:48 eeevil Able. Autocorrect...
11:50 * tsbere watched locks with and without the status = 7 checks and didn't see any noticable difference in them, but didn't exactly do an overly complete job of watching either and wasn't on a production-level system data-wise
11:51 dbwells bshum: I would typically branch rel_2_x_x from rel_2_x, do the release stuff, then forward-port the upgrade file back to rel_2_x and master (eventually).  Then all the scripts are already in rel_2_x for the next point release.  Does that answer your question?
11:53 eeevil My bigger point is that the current reshelver has an intended purpose, and IMO we should consider that when looking for a solution that is outside that original intent. I'm 100% for code reuse, but I think this might be stretching it, in this specific case... But, testing will tell
11:55 tsbere eeevil: I am all for "new code for the new intent" or even "more efficient/targeted code for this intent" (only doing short-term reshelving when open, for example) - I am also all for calling it a bug that the reshelving complete code can, regardless of when or how often it is run, change the status of something *not* in reshelving at update time.
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12:05 eeevil fair enough. in practice, of course, it /only/ happens during open hours, but yes, it's a fair point
13:07 gmcharlt RoganH: I recalled that we discussed this the other day... do you want to put it through its paces a bit before we make an announcement?
13:08 RoganH Yeah, let me play with it for a couple of days.
13:08 gmcharlt kmlussier: very creatively... http://evergreen-ils.org/jobs/
13:08 RoganH I'll do some test posts, deletions, etc...
13:08 gmcharlt RoganH: it also exposes a jobs dashboard
13:08 gmcharlt http://evergreen-ils.org/job-dashboard/
13:08 kmlussier When you've run it through its paces, I would like to share the link with OPW. As OPW sponsors, I think we get a benefit of having our jobs page listed on their site.
13:11 RoganH shiny ball received
13:11 gmcharlt RoganH++
13:12 kmlussier RoganH++
13:12 gmcharlt so, noting a couple action items for myself
13:12 gmcharlt #action (carry-over) gmcharlt will coordinate/assist with dbs to move the planet
13:12 gmcharlt #action gmcharlt with work with DIG to get a test VM for doc-building set up
13:13 kmlussier gmcharlt++
13:13 RoganH gmcharlt++
13:13 gmcharlt next up, the FAQs...
16:47 * berick recalls a recent conversation about that
16:47 kmlussier Yup. http://markmail.org/message/jsrbhxlwr2dshglv
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17:45 gmcharlt dokuwiki updated to current stable version
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09:05 aashita Hi Berick!
09:05 aashita i Just want to know only Julia Lima has done editing of UI style guide
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09:36 mrpeters trying to load the concerto, etc. data in 2.7 -- error that "env_create.sql" is missing.  Is this a part of the test dataset that maybe got left out, or a missing dependency
09:39 tsbere mrpeters: I see env_create.sql in what I believe to be the correct location
09:40 mrpeters is that not /home/opensrf/Evergreen-ILS-2.7​.0/Open-ILS/tests/datasets/sql ?
09:40 * tsbere is also looking at master
09:41 Dyrcona mrpeters: Is this from git or a tarball?
09:41 mrpeters tarball
09:43 Dyrcona "Someone" being bshum. ;)
09:44 Dyrcona I checked rel_2_7 and tags/rel_2_7_0, and the file is in both branches where it should be.
09:44 Dyrcona Just for the record.
09:45 mrpeters /home/opensrf/Evergreen-ILS-2.7​.0/Open-ILS/tests/datasets/sql is correct location, no?
09:45 Dyrcona Yes, it is.
09:45 Dyrcona jason@jason:~/Src/Evergreen$ find ./ -name env_create.sql
09:45 Dyrcona ./Open-ILS/tests/datasets/sql/env_create.sql
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10:24 kmlussier dbs: I must have missed your comment in IRC regarding adding berick's script-based install to the README, but if you point me in the right direction, I can, at a minimum, add it to the OPW wiki page.
10:25 kmlussier I'll even try to add it to the README if I get a minute to breathe. :)
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10:31 mrpeters hmm, so the env_create is in the tarball, it's just looking for it in the cd, so you have to be in the tests/datasets/sql/ directory
10:31 mrpeters my fault for the false alarm
10:33 tsbere mrpeters: Are you loading the files manually, instead of with eg_db_config?
10:33 mrpeters the test data?  i just do psql evergreen < load_all.sql
10:33 tsbere mrpeters: If you use the flags for eg_db_config it does the cd and such for you.
10:33 mrpeters i just was supplying the full path to load_all.sql, not realizing i had to be in that directory
10:34 mrpeters ah, interesting.  didn't know you could use eg_db_config to load all of that test data
10:36 tsbere mrpeters: --load-all-sample or --load-concerto-sample, I think.
10:36 mrpeters awesome, good to know
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11:18 mrpeters ok, carry on
11:18 mrpeters just wanted to dispell your incorrect impression
11:18 tsbere besides, if you screw up the install steps you may not realize you did so if the package has things in the right place and your install has them in the wrong one, then bash your head as to why your changes aren't working.
11:18 mrpeters the packaged evergreen is a VERY good way for someone to quickly get a test system up and running as long as they understand basic IP addressing and know how to install linux packages
11:20 mrpeters thats fine, if you dont see it fit for a developer don't use it, no big deal, just sharing the information that this is available to anyone, and the myth that it is "just for PINES" is completely false
11:20 tsbere mrpeters: My assumption was "PINES has public non-customized and private customized package sets" - I never assumed the ones I could get at were customized for PINES.
11:21 gmcharlt well, rather depends on what the ultimate purpose is - if you want a running EG instance to test or document, sure, try the packages
11:21 gmcharlt if you are aiming to do *coding* ... at the moment, I don't see any responsible way around installing from a git clone if the end result is meant to be useful to a *coder*
11:24 mrpeters that is fair
11:25 Dyrcona And, what about production? Do you think that would work from a packaged version?\
11:25 Dyrcona Right now, Evergreen is very "old school" in how you install it. Not saying I have a problem with that, but that is not noob friendly.
11:46 csharp there are some hard-coded assumptions/choices that we have to make for packaging, but we think they're sane and easily changed
11:47 Dyrcona For us, we build directly from git, and make an integration branch.
11:47 mrpeters built right from the same code we use to build up PINES
11:47 Dyrcona We also have two developers with development and test servers, so we're doing integration on a fairly frequent basis.
11:47 csharp however, (sorry mrpeters :-) ), I have to agree with others that building from source (either by hand or by script) is the best way to participate in community development
11:47 Dyrcona Conflicts occur, but are often noticed and resolved quickly, and well before we go into production.
11:48 mrpeters i agree for CODE development
11:48 Dyrcona We also load onto the test server several weeks before we go live in production so members can have a go at finding things that might not be quite right.
11:48 mrpeters but if you just want to quickly test out evergreen, man, its a fast way to do it
11:49 csharp I completely agree that using our deb repo is the easiest way to get up and running on Ubuntu on the most current stable release
11:50 mrpeters i just remember the days when we supplied virtual box images for people who just wanted to "test out" evergreen
11:50 csharp but... it obviously comes with the same limitations as all the other methods people have discussed (preferences, best practices, etc. can vary widely)
11:50 mrpeters and it was a nightmare, they were always outdated, nobody wanted to manage them, etc.
11:50 mrpeters had i known about this repo back then, man the pain we could have avoided!
17:49 berick Bmagic: that's probably it
17:50 Bmagic You think it's possible that the update query from the reshelver could hit on rows that have their status=1 even though the query clearly is looking for 7?
17:51 berick grr, i opened a LP ticket about this a really long time ago, now i can't find it
17:51 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
17:51 berick https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1018011
17:51 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1018011 in Evergreen 2.4 "Incorrect copy status caused by reshelving process colliding with item checkout" (affected: 4, heat: 20) [Medium,Confirmed]
17:52 berick wow, for the first time ever, LP search worked better than google

Results for 2014-10-13

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09:59 berick bshum: heh. good idea!
10:00 bshum aashita: If you send a request to that email, I would expect that one of the volunteers who works that address could help get you set up.
10:02 * berick will respond to aashita via email as well
10:03 bshum athira: Hmm, there are certainly many ways to contribute to Evergreen.  Contribution takes many forms, I often think straight to code, but there's also documentation, testing, developing proposals for new features.
10:03 bshum (just naming things off the top of my head, there's no exact list I can point you at)
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10:13 aashita Thanks Berick and bshum
10:13 aashita I have sent mail.
16:22 mrpeters its the splash page only
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17:36 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Failure - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
17:38 berick huh, same node error we saw a few weeks ago.
17:38 bshum I'm starting to get paranoid about that
17:42 bshum berick's new acq bugs also make me twitchy.

Results for 2014-10-12

15:21 * bshum is back in the car headed home. Good time for a nap.
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18:01 atlas__ how to blow away the database on 2.7?  tried running the eg_db_config script again but got a bunch of error
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