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10:21 Bmagic Is this a bug or a feature: Library A lends Library B an item. It gets checked out. B has long overdue settings. Patron is billed. Patron returns item. B has settings to void the long overdue bills but the opensrf logs show that it looks for A's settings to void the bill
10:25 tsbere Bmagic: I would have to look, but either the item owning lib is being used or it was returned at library A.
10:25 kmlussier Bmagic: IIRC, lost items (and therefore I expect long overdue items) go by the owning library's policies?
10:26 Bmagic kmlussier: in that case it wouldnt have charged the long overdue fee because Library A doesn't have those settings
10:26 Bmagic in the first place
10:26 kmlussier ah, that's right. Then, no, I'm stumped.
10:27 Bmagic it's either a bug with the action trigger or with the circulation code
10:27 Bmagic the action trigger applied the bill and the circulation code is responsible for removing it
10:28 Bmagic found the code from Circulate.pm  my $circ_lib = (ref $self->copy->circ_lib
10:28 Bmagic meaning it is getting the circ lib from the copy and not from the circulation
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10:32 Bmagic kmlussier: which library settings are supposed to be respected? Owning or circing?
10:36 csharp PINES doesn't hit that issue since we have those settings set at the consortium level - if you can get your libraries to agree on a common policy, problem solved
10:37 kmlussier Bmagic: My recollection is that the lost library settings used the circulation (not circing) library's settings. Since a lot of the long overdue behavior was based on how the system handles lost items, my assumption was that long overdue would be handled the same way, which seems to be the case. But I'm working from memory, not code, so take anything I say with a grain of salt. :)
10:37 * csharp knows that's glib
10:37 csharp let me look around, since it was our feature request
10:39 csharp ous_proc_fee => 'circ.longoverdue_materials_processing_fee',
10:39 csharp ous_void_od => 'circ.void_overdue_on_longoverdue',
10:39 Bmagic csharp: ok right, it's supposed to be respecting the circ lib for both billing and voiding
10:40 Bmagic I think I found a bug, because the code clearly shows it's getting the circ lib from the copy and not the circulation
10:41 csharp it does appear to be using the copy's owning library (copy->call_number->owning_lib)
10:41 Bmagic Circulate.pm  line 3419 my $circ_lib = (ref $self->copy->circ_lib)
10:41 csharp I'm looking at AssetCommon.pm
10:41 csharp line er....
10:41 Bmagic you are looking at the code for billing, im looking at the code for voiding
10:41 csharp 694
10:41 csharp oh - ok
10:42 csharp my $void_overdue = $U->ou_ancestor_setting_value(
10:42 csharp $owning_lib, $args{ous_void_od}, $e) || 0;
10:43 csharp so it checks whether to void or not based on the copy owning lib
10:43 jeff copy circ lib
10:43 Bmagic copy circ lib is what I am seeing
10:43 csharp when processing longoverdue items?
10:43 csharp ohhh
10:44 csharp sorry - at checkin
10:44 Bmagic which is wrong - it should be circ->circ_lib
10:47 csharp so when being set to longoverdue, it grabs the owning lib's settings, but coming in, it grabs the copy circ lib's settings
10:48 csharp for PINES, those are nearly always the same OU, so we probably would never notice the difference
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10:48 csharp but Bmagic, you're saying that the circulation->circ_lib should be the one consulted for settings?  I'm not sure that's what we would want
10:55 Bmagic csharp: the action trigger is voiding overdue bills based on settings from the owning lib unless it was a precat, it's applying price of item based on owning lib.
10:57 csharp also worth noting (as kmlussier aluded to) that longoverdue is in many ways copied and pasted from the "lost" code
10:57 csharp some differences, but same basic process
10:58 csharp so if we change lod, we would probably need to change lost too
10:58 Bmagic The behavior that I just detected was: Patron billed based on circ_lib , and voided based on copy circ lib which the code doesnt support
10:58 csharp but I'm sure our libraries are happy with the status quo
10:58 Bmagic Patron billed based on action circulation circ lib not copy circ lib
10:58 Bmagic could I have my Action Trigger setup wrong?
10:59 csharp right - the billings are from the library where the circ happened
10:59 Bmagic my AT is owned by Library B, with null  "Processing Group  Context Field"
11:00 csharp whether it automatically voids on set to lost/longoverdue is a preference set for the copy circ lib/call number owning lib ("my item")
11:00 csharp ah..
11:00 csharp you're running them per library
11:00 csharp we run them at the PINES level
11:01 Bmagic yes, the AT is at the system level for a system that Library B belongs to. The item belongs to Library A (no action trigger)
11:01 csharp processing group context field is probably irrelevant here - that's for being able to group multiple A/T events for say, the same user so they don't get 15 separate notices for the 15 items that just got processed
11:02 Bmagic I see
11:02 Bmagic ok, then it doesn't make sense that this patron got a bill to begin with
11:04 Bmagic I think I've got it. The action trigger finds everything that is overdue at Library B and sets them to long overdue, it doesnt care if the item was from another library. So the item is going to be marked long overdue no matter what. The paticulars about voiding overdues and such respect the item owner
11:04 csharp yeah, longoverdue processes circs, so that makes sense
11:05 csharp "circs that happened at my library"
11:05 Bmagic So, it's not working the way we want it to. We need that Action trigger to only find circs by the AT owner AND the item owned by the AT owner
11:06 Bmagic I am sure this is the same for lost
11:07 Bmagic Does it make sense that the system would mark items long overdue on items owned by libraries that do not have settings for long overdue?
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11:12 csharp Bmagic: you may have hit a use case that wasn't considered when developing all that
11:12 csharp however, creating a reactor that calls different/custom code is possible too
11:13 csharp eeevil has been pushing for that for some time now
11:13 csharp (people developing their own A/T reactors, etc.)
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11:25 Bmagic Our solution could be to set a consortium default for voiding long overdue upon checkin
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11:26 Bmagic but I think that it's a bug, If the voiding of the fines and such respects the owning lib, then the action trigger should respect the item owning lib as well
11:27 Bmagic Which means that the action trigger could apply a fine for a circulation that is not in it's scope because the item was lent
11:38 tspindler we have been discussing an issue with the state 'lost' and the action trigger marked items lost, if we changed the name of that status to billed would it break anything or does the status have to be lost?
11:39 kmlussier tspindler: Would that status also be used for items that are manually marked lost?
11:39 tspindler kmlussier: we would probably create an additional status for that
11:40 kmlussier tspindler: What about using the long overdue status for the "billed" features since there is already an a/t for that?
11:40 tspindler i wasn't sure if the value in the name field "lost" is critical for the action trigger
11:41 Bmagic tspindler: Changing the name has no affect, it's addressed by ID in the software
11:41 tspindler kmlussier:  we don't have that turned on but what would be the sequence?  right now we have "mark items lost" action trigger and then the billing notices generated
11:41 kmlussier tspindler: My understanding is that long overdue acts exactly as lost does, but it gives items a long overdue status instead of lost.
11:41 tspindler Bmagic: thanks, my memory was wrong then because I thought there was some issue related to the name field
11:42 kmlussier tspindler: But I was thinking it might be better to use that one, even if you changed the name, because then it would just be business as usual for those items you are manually marking as lost.
11:42 Bmagic tspindler: I have recently been looking at this code and it's all addressed by the number not the name
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11:50 tspindler thanks Bmagic
11:50 * kmlussier waves to vanya
11:50 Bmagic tspindler: np
11:58 Bmagic Another question that Im not totally sure about. Does anyone know if the system will favor a title hold over a copy hold or visa versa? I understand that the holds are filled in the order received at the location of the item.
11:59 csharp Bmagic: if it's a copy hold, only the targeted copy will fill the hold
11:59 csharp we recommend that staff *only* place title holds unless they need a specific copy
12:00 csharp our staff were using volume and copy holds in hopes of speeding things up (with the opposite effect in many cases)
12:00 Bmagic csharp: I understand that, but who gets it first? Copy hold or title or it doesnt matter?
12:01 csharp oh - I don't know off the top of my head
12:01 csharp I've reviewed the code in detail before, but I don't remember
12:01 Bmagic Example: 2 people have a hold on the system. One is for the title and one is on the copy. The exact copy is checked in that could fill either hold. Who gets it?
12:02 csharp I think it would be the closest hold organizationally
12:02 csharp i.e. as defined by the org proximity table
12:03 Bmagic csharp: right, but if they were both in the same org
12:03 Bmagic Doesnt it use the hold request date?
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12:45 jventuro Hi folks! Does anyone have any ideas about getting patron name to show up on the print out generated from the checkin screen?
12:46 jventuro I tried %PATRON_FIRSTNAME% %PATRON_LASTNAME% under Line Item and I just get the code.
12:50 tsbere That should work, though I dunno why you would want it in line item (that seems like a header/footer thing to me)
12:50 tsbere Oh, wait, check *IN*? Probably no patron...
12:52 tsbere jventuro: For more information, most of the %PATRON_whatever% aliases expect you to be in a patron context. Checkin isn't one, though there may be lineitem variants of those available. I just don't know what they are, if they exist.
12:55 jventuro tsbere: Thanks. I thought that might be the case. I didn't see anything promising in the macros, but I'll keep digging.
12:56 kmlussier gmcharlt: Given that the eg conference isn't guaranteed to get an Eventbrite sponsorship from year to year, do you see any issues with using something like https://wordpress.org/plugins/event-registration/ to handle conference registrations?
12:58 gmcharlt kmlussier: no, assuming Conservancy doesn't specify an alternative; I'd also want enough advance warning to harden the website enough to handle ecommerce, even if it's mostly just passing stuff off to PayPal
13:00 kmlussier gmcharlt: I'm chatting with Tony right now, and it sounds like they would be okay with it, but I'll keep them in the loop if we do it.
13:00 gmcharlt great
13:01 kmlussier gmcharlt: How much time is enough advanced warning? If I let you know after the next time the conference planning committee meets, would that be enough warning?
13:01 gmcharlt kmlussier: yeah
13:01 kmlussier gmcharlt: OK, thanks!
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13:30 phasefx gmcharlt: kmlussier: Evergreen FAQ's, are we looking to keep them on the wiki and just link to them more prominently?
13:31 gmcharlt phasefx: I'd like them promoted to the main website
13:31 phasefx so as a Page in wordpress?
13:31 gmcharlt yeah
13:31 phasefx sounds good
13:31 gmcharlt thanks!
13:31 phasefx do pages automatically get placed into the menu system?
13:36 * phasefx will find out :)
13:39 kmlussier phasefx: I don't think so.
13:39 kmlussier I had to manually add one yesterday.
13:40 kmlussier But I may have been doing things wrong.
13:40 kmlussier phasefx: I don't know if you noticed, but we already have a menu entry for the FAQ, so I'm thinking the link would just need to be changed from the wiki FAQ to the new WP FAQ
13:41 phasefx kmlussier: I did not notice, gracias
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13:57 bbqben Hi all - EOB meeting starting here in ~3 minutes. Cheers!
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14:01 bbqben ok, here we go
14:02 bbqben #startmeeting Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting, 16.10.14
14:02 pinesol_green Meeting started Thu Oct 16 14:02:07 2014 US/Eastern.  The chair is bbqben. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:02 pinesol_green Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
14:02 pinesol_green The meeting name has been set to 'evergreen_oversight_board_meeting__16_10_14'
14:02 bbqben #topic introductions
14:02 bbqben EOB members, please introduce yourself with #info
14:02 RoganH #info RoganH = Rogan Hamby, SCLENDS
14:02 kmlussier #info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC
14:02 montgoc1 #info montgoc1 = Chauncey Montgomery, Consortium of Ohio Libraries
14:02 bbqben #info bbqben = Ben Hyman, BC Libraries Co-op
14:02 yboston #info ysboston - Yamil Suarez - Berklee College of Music (EOB)
14:03 abneiman #info abneiman - Andrea Buntz Neiman, Kent County (MD) Public Library
14:03 bbqben hi all
14:03 bbqben #topic Minutes / Actions from last meeting
14:04 graced #info graced = Grace Dunbar, Equinox
14:04 bbqben #info http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.​php?id=governance:minutes:2014-9-18
14:05 bbqben looks like each of the actions is covered with agenda topics today.
14:05 bbqben so, if no objections we'll move on
14:05 bbqben hearing none...
14:05 bbqben #topic Financial Report
14:06 bbqben #info http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg​-oversight-board/2014-October/000891.html
14:06 bbqben gmcharlt ++
14:06 bbqben questions about finances?
14:07 montgoc1 Thanks to Grace for the donation.
14:07 csharp #info csharp = Chris Sharp, GPLS
14:07 bbqben graced++
14:07 graced It's a worthy cause
14:08 kmlussier graced++
14:08 RoganH graced++
14:08 bbqben ok, moving on then
14:09 bbqben #topic Evergreen 2015 Conference Report
14:09 bbqben buzzy - thanks for joining us today!
14:09 buzzy no problem. thanks for having me! buzzy nielsen, hood river county library district (in the sage library system)
14:09 kmlussier Welcom buzzy!
14:10 bbqben what's new in "the hood"?
14:10 buzzy the 2015 conference will be held may 13-16 at the hood river inn (http://hoodriverinn.com/)
14:10 csharp bbqben++
14:10 buzzy yes, our area really looks like that
14:10 csharp yay!
14:10 buzzy the committee has started work, although if anyone else wants to join, we'd welcome the help
14:11 bbqben buzzy++
14:11 buzzy i'm going to be sending the EOB a conference budget next week, and the venue agreement should begin finalization the following week with the SFC
14:12 bbqben great to hear the planning is moving along
14:12 buzzy we're excited to have everyone come out. hood river is a much smaller community than has hosted the conference in the past, but we believe people will nonetheless have a good time, and likely will want to stay afterward for some vacation time
14:12 buzzy questions?
14:13 bbqben buzzy - do you prefer Double Mountain or Full Sailing brewing?
14:13 kmlussier No questions, but I just wanted to mention to the rest of the board that we should probably do the budget vote via e-mail once buzzy sends it so that the SFC can start working on the agreement ASAP.
14:13 buzzy i feel like a bad columbia river gorge resident for saying this, but i like neither beer nor wine.
14:14 buzzy however, we did have a craft distillery just open up: camp 1805. quite good
14:14 kmlussier Sounds like the perfect place for a good pub crawl. :)
14:14 buzzy definitely. we've also had several hard cideries open up in the last year
14:15 bbqben ooh - craft distillery. Excellent. ...impressed with the number of microbrews in the region (now I'll stop being distracted)
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14:15 julialima hello evergreeners
14:15 buzzy we love our alcohol in the pnw
14:15 bbqben we'll watch for budget news from you. Other questions for buzzy?
14:15 RoganH buzzy: I'm a big fan of card ciders so I'm definitely interested in that.  :)
14:15 kmlussier julialima: Hi! We're in the middle of a meeting right now, but if you stick around, we should be wrapping up in about 45 minutes.
14:15 csharp buzzy++
14:16 graced buzzy++  thanks for the update!
14:16 kmlussier buzzy++
14:16 bbqben buzzy++ look forward to hearing more from you in the coming months
14:16 buzzy np. you'll be hearing from me next week
14:17 bbqben ok, moving on
14:17 bbqben #topic Evergreen 2.7 RM report
14:17 bbqben but methinks "other ben" is AWOL
14:18 yboston was Ben traveling this week?
14:18 kmlussier yboston: No, I don't think he leaves until Friday.
14:18 yboston oh
14:18 bbqben #action supplemental EG2.7 RM report by email, if possible - bshum
14:19 bbqben #topic SFC update (emergency fund)
14:19 bbqben So, I emailed Karen S @ SFC on the 10th as follow up to the conversation that kmlussier and I had with her in August. No response yet, but I'll keep us posted
14:20 bbqben hopefully we'll have something back to discuss for our next mtg
14:21 bbqben ok, if no q's, let's move to yboston's update
14:21 bbqben #topic  Evergreen web FAQ development
14:22 bbqben yamil - thanks for fleshing things out!
14:22 yboston I sent to the board list me draft
14:22 yboston http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg​-oversight-board/2014-October/000893.html
14:22 yboston *my
14:22 yboston this is just a start, questiosn are not in any particular order
14:23 montgoc1 Order looks logical to me.
14:23 yboston feel free to bring up some comments or questions now, or reply to the thread
14:23 kmlussier yboston: I think I could come up with some more questions to ask when hiring a vendor for development.
14:23 yboston one next step to take is to put this draft on a wiki page so others can make cahnges
14:23 * kmlussier could probably create an entire wiki page on that topic alone. :)
14:24 yboston on the other hand, I don't want to make the FAQ too long
14:24 yboston we could create a seperate docuemnt for a template of questions
14:24 graced I cna also think of a few things to add... Our challenge will likely be to make it useful without being overwhelming.
14:24 bbqben #action shift draft FAQ's to wiki - yboston
14:24 kmlussier yboston: Don't worry. I could come up with a shortened list.
14:24 yboston also, at some point I would like feedback from the community at large, speccially from vendors
14:25 bbqben yboston++ a great start here, I think
14:25 yboston graced: any suggestions from you?
14:25 yboston (as a vendor)
14:26 kmlussier yboston++ indeed!
14:26 graced Gosh... yes, but I think you've got a great start
14:26 graced yboston++
14:26 yboston muchas gracias
14:27 bbqben #action all to hop in with expanded & shortened ideas for the FAQ
14:27 csharp yboston++
14:27 bbqben but no sentence fragments or dangling participles
14:27 montgoc1 yboston++
14:27 bbqben ok, moving on
14:28 bbqben #topic code of conduct - procedures
14:28 bbqben kmlussier - over to you
14:29 kmlussier #link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg​-oversight-board/2014-October/000894.html
14:29 kmlussier I would like to see if we can pull together some good procedures for handling code of conduct complaints before the next conference.
14:30 * gmcharlt gives a hearty +1 to that
14:30 kmlussier In addition to the link to the Geek Feminism wiki I shared in the e-mail, dbs just shared with me some procedures from another conference we might be able to use as a model.
14:30 kmlussier https://github.com/python/pycon-code-of-conduct/
14:31 kmlussier My hope is that we never have to handle a complaint, but if we do, I would like to see that we have people on hand who know how to properly respond to it.
14:31 * csharp agrees
14:31 RoganH I'm in agreement.
14:32 bbqben kmlussier thanks for the think on this. Certainly has implications for conference planning, I think (e.g. - securing a private space for incident debrief etc)
14:32 RoganH I think it's nice to have an anti-harassment policy but we need to be prepared to follow through with it.  And this is part of that.
14:32 gmcharlt it also has consequences for the EOB itself, as the potential exists for issues to span the lifetime of a single conference
14:33 gmcharlt span *past* the lifetime, I should say
14:33 kmlussier bbqben: Yes, it does. I can follow through with buzzy to see if we have anything like that this year, but, in upcoming years, maybe it needs to be included in site requirements when doing the conference selection process.
14:34 RoganH Even if we can't create ideal spaces this year, at least an awareness of the space needs puts in a better place.
14:34 bbqben kmlussier++
14:34 kmlussier Anyone want to help me draft our procedures?
14:34 abneiman kmlussier : I'm interested in this
14:34 kmlussier abneiman++ Thanks!
14:34 * gmcharlt is as well
14:35 RoganH I'm willing.
14:35 csharp kmlussier: I'm willing to help
14:35 montgoc1 Me too.
14:35 bbqben hot topic!
14:35 RoganH Since you have plenty of offers I'll withdraw mine :)
14:35 kmlussier Sounds like we have a committee! :)
14:35 kmlussier RoganH: That's okay. I'm sure I'll have a chance to hit you up for something else.
14:35 bbqben #action kmlussier et al to develop sagacious draft procedures asap
14:37 bbqben one q re: budget - if we agree this is a project-wide element, would we cover, e.g. training costs at the Project level or the conference budget level?
14:37 bbqben I don't think we need the answer, like now, but maybe back of mind as we build to "the Hood"
14:38 kmlussier bbqben: I think it would be worth the expense. FWIW, I think the Ada Initiative offer for training by phone was at no cost.
14:39 bbqben kmlussier - totally agree it would be worth the cost and additionally awesome that the Ada training is free
14:40 bbqben any other thoughts / q's for kmlussier for now?
14:40 abneiman Would be nice if someone in the community has counseling (or similar) background
14:40 abneiman (to be involved in any potential response, that is)
14:41 montgoc1 abneiman: good point.
14:41 montgoc1 We could recruit on the listserv perhaps.
14:42 kmlussier abneiman: After we get the procedures together, maybe we can put the question out to the community to see if anyone has that background who also is willing to help out.
14:43 bbqben ok, sounds great. Thanks all for the volunteerism!
14:43 bbqben Any new business or additional topics?
14:43 kmlussier Where are we on the vendor listing policy?
14:44 bshum #info bshum = Ben Shum, Bibliomation (late arrival)
14:44 bbqben kmlussier I think we're at fleshing out the FAQ's first and foremost
14:44 bbqben this was the element on which we achieved consensus.
14:45 kmlussier OK, at some point I think some kind of clarification needs to be made since there is confusion over what the existing policy says.
14:45 kmlussier I'm happy to put it off until the next meeting.
14:46 csharp I'll make a motion
14:47 csharp I move that we change the wording "Evergreen offering page" to "company website"
14:47 kmlussier I'll second that motion.
14:47 csharp so that the full sentence reads: Show support for the Evergreen community by adding a visible link on their company website to the Evergreen community web site at http://evergreen-ils.org
14:48 bshum +1
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14:48 bbqben any concerns about the proposed motion?
14:49 kmlussier I went back to re-read the original discussion, and I believe that was the intent of the policy when it was originally voted.
14:50 bbqben kmlussier - jives with my fading memory / recollection also
14:50 csharp Slight wording variation to prevent "website" vs. "web site" awkwardness: Show support for the Evergreen community by adding a visible link on their company website to the Evergreen community site at http://evergreen-ils.org
14:50 bbqben so, standby for fingers / vote, with csharp's amendment
14:51 csharp vote now?
14:51 csharp (sorry)
14:51 bbqben #startvote Vote Show support for the Evergreen community by adding a visible link on their company website to the Evergreen community site at http://evergreen-ils.org? Yes, No, Abstain
14:51 pinesol_green Begin voting on: Vote Show support for the Evergreen community by adding a visible link on their company website to the Evergreen community site at http://evergreen-ils.org? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain.
14:51 pinesol_green Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:52 csharp #vote Yes
14:52 montgoc1 #vote Yes
14:52 RoganH #vote yes
14:52 graced #vote Yes
14:52 yboston #vote yes
14:52 kmlussier #vote yes
14:52 bshum #vote yes
14:52 bbqben #vote Yes
14:52 abneiman #vote yes
14:53 bbqben #endvote
14:53 pinesol_green Voted on "Vote Show support for the Evergreen community by adding a visible link on their company website to the Evergreen community site at http://evergreen-ils.org?" Results are
14:53 pinesol_green Yes (9): kmlussier, yboston, bbqben, graced, RoganH, montgoc1, csharp, bshum, abneiman
14:53 * kmlussier can update the policy wiki page with the change.
14:53 bbqben kmlussier++
14:54 bbqben any additional new business (bshum will provide his update via email)?
14:55 bbqben if none, then I look forward to our 20.11.14 meeting
14:55 bbqben going once ....
14:56 bbqben #endmeeting
14:56 pinesol_green Meeting ended Thu Oct 16 14:56:09 2014 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:56 pinesol_green Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2014/evergreen.2014-10-16-14.02.html
14:56 pinesol_green Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2014/evergreen.2014-10-16-14.02.txt
14:56 pinesol_green Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2014/evergreen.2014-10-16-14.02.log.html
14:56 csharp bbqben++
14:56 abneiman bbqben++  later, all
14:56 kmlussier bbqben++
14:56 montgoc1 bbqben++
14:56 graced bbqben++
14:57 julialima_ well now that the meeting has ended... hello again to everybody jaja
14:57 yboston bbqben++
14:57 kmlussier julialima_: Hi! Welcome!
14:58 bbqben julialima_ thanks for your patience. cheers!
14:58 julialima_ :)
14:58 phasefx gmcharlt: kmlussier: FAQ's are up.  I tweaked the bit that talked about org units to not use the word "org units" ;)
14:58 gmcharlt phasefx++
14:58 julialima_ I am participating for the OPW, for the UI project, I've almost finished my contribution... you can see it here: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/dok​u.php?id=opw:ui_suggest:julialima
14:59 julialima_ but now i am a little lost
14:59 julialima_ because i want to apply and I have to propose a project timeline and so on
15:01 julialima_ in the Gnome OPW main page sais that i have to discuss it here
15:02 kmlussier julialima_: Have you started to write up a timeline?
15:04 julialima_ no i havent
15:04 julialima_ i have been working on my contribution only
15:05 julialima_ it is almoistg finished
15:06 julialima_ and i have to provide futher information about the project i will be working on... the UI style guide project idea proposed in the opw evergreen main page
15:11 kmlussier berick and graced might have some other ideas to share, but there are some things that come to mind in doing a timeline for the UI project.
15:13 julialima_ I've just wrote to them
15:13 kmlussier Since we're working on the web client project at the same time, it might be nice if the timeline somehow aligns with the timeline for that development project. So maybe some of the recommendations you identify in the style guide might be implemented in the client in one of the development sprints.
15:14 kmlussier graced is probably the best person to talk to about the timeline for that project.
15:14 julialima_ mmm do you mean the improvments I've proposed for my contrubtion... that would be great
15:14 kmlussier But I think you would want to incorporate time for learning about the client, how it's used, getting user feedback.
15:15 kmlussier julialima_: I'm thinking more along the lines of whatever comes out of the style guide.
15:16 julialima_ aaah ok.. yes... I understand
15:16 kmlussier And maybe outlining what would be the best way to get that feedback.
15:16 julialima_ so the thing is to align whatever comes out of the UI style guide with the development team times
15:17 julialima_ nice
15:17 kmlussier julialima_: I personally think that would be nice. But I guess it depends on how the timing lines up. Either way, I would love to see anything coming out of a style guide is eventually implemented in the client.
15:18 julialima_ :)
15:18 kmlussier As far as your work to create the style guide, I guess I would recommend trying to split up the work into manageable chunks so that there is something you can show for your work every few weeks.
15:19 julialima_ yes that's a great idea... so I can get quick feedback from the development team!
15:20 dbwells julialima_: Just my two cents, but I wouldn't stress about the timeline too much.  You have an excellent proposal, and the timeline probably won't make or break it.  Anything reasonable with some sort of milestones (manageable chunks, as kmlussier said) will be fine.
15:22 kmlussier julialima_: You might also want to just come up with a draft, even if it's broad, and run it by the project mentors or even by those of us in IRC. I tend to give better feedback when I have something to react to. :)
15:22 kmlussier dbwells++
15:23 julialima_ mmm ok... the thing is I am a little confused right now... At the begining I believed that the project details like the timeline would be somehow provided by the mentors... I think now I understand a little better... I have to make a proposal of how I will develop the UI style guide... Is that correct?
15:23 julialima_ that's why I was asking all this... @.@
15:26 kmlussier julialima_: Yes, exactly. The proposal is how you would develope the style guide, but if you had other ideas on what you wanted to do, I think that's something you could discuss with your mentors.
15:27 kmlussier And the timeline is something that you can work with assistance/feedback from your mentors.
15:28 kmlussier julialima_: Is that helpful?
15:29 julialima_ yes... thank you so much
15:29 julialima_ I will try to make contact with bill and grace
15:29 julialima_ here in the IRC channel... if I cant find them I will wrote a mail to them
15:30 julialima_ thanks again Kathy, you are awesome :P
15:30 kmlussier julialima_: Thank you! There was a lot of positive feedback to your ideas when berick shared them at last week's developer meeting. :)
15:32 julialima_ wow! .. that's great to hear that... I was a little scared, and I put the best of me on that contribution
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15:41 phasefx yboston: I tweaked the vendor FAQ for "hosting"
15:42 yboston phasefx: cool, forgot abouot hosting
15:45 yboston phasefx: feel free to add questions that vendors would have for customers, I tried to think of what a vendor would want
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15:49 phasefx yboston: thanks man, I may be a bit bold with some more edits, but it's a wiki, so we can revert if needed :)
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16:11 gsams question on an oddity I found in the database just now.  In the actor.usr_setting table, the values for opac.hold_notify seem odd.
16:12 gsams I see some with colons in the text, and some with pipes
16:12 gsams would this cause any problems, is there a specific way this should be appearing?
16:13 gsams for example, I see "phone|sms" and "phone:sms" entries
16:15 kmlussier phasefx++ #FAQ page
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16:44 bshum gsams: I have both variants in my database as well.  I'll just assume that it's just a slightly different way of expressing the same idea
16:44 bshum gsams: Perhaps a pre-2.0 thing when the new patron editor came along
16:45 bshum I'm not sure if there's any functional differences, or if one or the other is broken.
16:45 bshum Or maybe it's one way of saving vs. another
16:45 gsams bshum: that'll work for me, thanks for looking at it
17:23 csharp gsams: bshum: I believe one "style" is from the opac and the other "style" is from the staff client (or if you ever had it, JSPAC)
17:23 bshum csharp: I could see that too.
17:24 csharp Terran and I ran into that when she created code for the KPAC to account for notification prefs
17:30 bshum Aha, csharp++
17:35 gsams csharp: interesting, thanks for the insight there.
17:35 gsams csharp++
17:35 gsams bshum++
17:40 Bmagic I have a hold question - A title has 6 copies, 5 copies at my library all checked out and 1 copy at another system that is available. All copies are age protected. I place a hold on the title and I get blocked "item is too new to transit this far". Why can't I put a hold on the title and wait in line for the copies at my library?
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18:03 vanya Hi! Jason had asked me to add the awesome tags based UI option in the UI suggestions. Can anyone tell me how to make an entry in the wiki page ( I'm not being able to sign up)
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19:16 csharp Bmagic: I believe the "PLACE_UNFILLABLE_HOLD" perm allows a user to place a hold *anyway* on an bib with no eligible copies
23:22 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Failure - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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