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csharp |
@later tell kmlussier I see three messages from yesterday that I received and are showing on the archives: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2014-October/date.html#start - Buzzy's message was caught in moderation because he's not subscribed to the list - are there more? |
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csharp: The operation succeeded. |
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csharp |
@quote random |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: Quote #80: "<bshum> I want to whip a quick tack for the CRA one for that broken reporter view too." (added by gmcharlt at 07:12 PM, March 06, 2014) |
| 09:17 |
csharp |
@praise [someone] |
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* pinesol_green |
the upgrade came off brilliantly, and it's all because of graced |
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csharp |
@blame [someone] |
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pinesol_green |
TaraC forgot to give the gerbils their chocolate-frosted sugar bombs |
| 09:17 |
csharp |
:-D |
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csharp |
TaraC: welcome! |
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Dyrcona |
email-- mailman-- |
| 09:22 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: masslnc.org SPF record causing issues when Kathy sends through Mailman on list.evergreen-ils.org? |
| 09:22 |
jeff |
or are you decrementing for other reasons? :-) |
| 09:23 |
Dyrcona |
Other reasons. |
| 09:23 |
Dyrcona |
If you were in #mailman you'd know why. ;) |
| 09:24 |
Dyrcona |
In short, a list configuration isn't working, and I don't see why, and Google is no help. |
| 09:24 |
Dyrcona |
All I find is "set it up this way." I set it up that way. It's not working, for 1 user. Everyone else is fine. |
| 09:25 |
Dyrcona |
Or, rather was fine. |
| 09:25 |
Dyrcona |
I haven't sent to the list today. |
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* csharp |
bans the problem user and walks away whistling |
| 09:26 |
Dyrcona |
Actually, csharp, that's the problem. He mails the list, it says he's not allowed. However, the list configuration plainly says he is allowed. |
| 09:26 |
csharp |
huh |
| 09:27 |
csharp |
argh |
| 09:27 |
csharp |
looks like kmlussier's issue is the BOR DNS issue again :-( |
| 09:28 |
csharp |
just checked the postfix queue and it's full of mail |
| 09:28 |
Dyrcona |
What issue is kmlussier having? Reverse DNS on our mail server or something else? |
| 09:28 |
csharp |
not receiving mail from list.evergreen-ils.org |
| 09:29 |
jeff |
computers-- |
| 09:29 |
csharp |
@blame computers |
| 09:29 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: computers musta been an Apple employee. |
| 09:29 |
jeff |
opened firefox. new window. nothing. realized it was because the new window was on my external display (which I didn't power on this morning). |
| 09:30 |
jeff |
realized this just as i was restarting firefox, powered on external display. |
| 09:30 |
Dyrcona |
Well, we've had tons of fun with email. Are we rejecting the messages for some reason? |
| 09:30 |
jeff |
this computer has... issues with regard to the external display being attached/detatched/powered while doing other things (sometimes while doing nothing else) |
| 09:30 |
Dyrcona |
If we're rejecting kmlussier's, we're probably rejected the ones to me and others as well. |
| 09:31 |
Dyrcona |
I can't type this morning. |
| 09:31 |
jeff |
so, a nice kernel panic to ensure that i have a clean slate and none of that pesky "in the middle of something" terminals open now. |
| 09:31 |
csharp |
Dyrcona: in this case, it looks like bad DNS on the list server - nothing on your end |
| 09:31 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, nothing like a kernel panic to get things going again. |
| 09:31 |
csharp |
@band add Kernel Panic |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: http://www.firstpersontetris.com/ |
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* csharp |
wants pinesol_green to be zoia.... sometimes |
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jeff |
csharp: i seem to have received the messages in question on a gmail account but not on a google apps account. odd. |
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jeff |
csharp: nevermind, all three messages came through at 9:28 US/Eastern for me on both accounts. |
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jeff |
(i checked the google apps account first, then kernel panic, then checked the gmail account -- where they were present. re-checked the google apps account then re-verified timestamps on all three messages on both accounts) |
| 09:34 |
csharp |
good |
| 09:35 |
csharp |
bclibraries servers have greylisted the mail - prolly because list.evergreen-ils.org blasted a bunch of email at it at once |
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* jeff |
grabs an ipod cable so that he can check google-side mail logs |
| 09:37 |
jeff |
yeah, delay was not on google's end after accepting (which doesn't mean that it didn't tempfail for hours for some reason first) |
| 09:39 |
Dyrcona |
Stick a fork in it. Email is done. |
| 09:40 |
jeff |
yeah, eg-community.georgialibraries.org. had it in queue for a while. |
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Dyrcona |
csharp: I would think if kmlussier is not getting some list mail from Eg lists, then I would also be missing the same messages, since we're using the same mail server. |
| 10:04 |
Dyrcona |
So, if you want me to look for anything in particular in our logs, I can. |
| 10:13 |
jeff |
csharp++ |
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jeff |
(for secret reasons) |
| 10:14 |
csharp |
we could tell all y'all, but we'd have to kill all y'all |
| 10:14 |
jeff |
(hat tip to E. B. White) |
| 10:15 |
csharp |
:-D |
| 10:17 |
csharp |
Dyrcona: according to the mail log on this end, a message was accepted by mail.mvlc.org at 9:28 a.m. |
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csharp |
(to klussier) |
| 10:17 |
jeff |
looks like the list server was having dns issues. |
| 10:18 |
csharp |
yeah - I replaced the now-crappy BOR DNS with Google |
| 10:18 |
jeff |
but that its /etc/resolv.conf was updated with working nameservers this morning at... 9:28 AM :-) |
| 10:18 |
jeff |
so, mystery solved. |
| 10:18 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: OK. She got it. We also don't just discard messages, except on on our mailings lists. |
| 10:18 |
jeff |
without working dns, mail servers have a hard time sending mail. |
| 10:19 |
jeff |
logs++ |
| 10:19 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: Well, they do these days. |
| 10:19 |
Dyrcona |
It's not 1993 any more. ;) |
| 10:19 |
csharp |
from what I understand, they replaced one clunky proprietary behemoth with another proprietary behemoth and broke a bunch of things in the process, but apparently the new software brings more per-site configurability |
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jeff |
Dyrcona: bang paths and uucp and "this week's host file" and BITNET and so much more! :-) |
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csharp |
(BOR IT, that is) |
| 10:20 |
Dyrcona |
jeff++ |
| 10:20 |
Dyrcona |
csharp: They aren't using djbdns? :p |
| 10:20 |
csharp |
well, until we're all using systemd, then we're stuck with binary logs |
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* csharp |
moved his work desktop back to Fedora so as to get some practice with systemd |
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Dyrcona |
Somebody just wrote a compatibility layer for systemd for OpenBSD. It pretends to be systemd, but isn't. |
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Dyrcona |
I think I'll port it to Slackware. :) |
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csharp |
heh |
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Dyrcona |
We recently had to update our reverse DNS for our mail servers to get off a particular black list. Is that what you had to do, csharp? |
| 10:23 |
Dyrcona |
But, we've had lots of fun with compromised accounts, etc., lately. |
| 10:23 |
jeff |
csharp: i can't think of anything cute to say about BOR IT's DNS change, so I'll just quote DEVOPS_BORAT: In devops is turtle all way down but at bottom is perl script. https://twitter.com/DEVOPS_BORAT/status/248770195580125185 |
| 10:24 |
jeff |
and every time i see BOR IT now I'm going to hear it in my head with a Borat accent (which, not having seen the movies is going to sound more like a Boris Badenov accent) |
| 10:47 |
Dyrcona |
That devops borat almost makes me want to sign up for twitter. |
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Dyrcona |
https://twitter.com/DEVOPS_BORAT/status/288698056470315008 |
| 10:52 |
Dyrcona |
And now, back to work. |
| 11:03 |
jeff |
E. B. White is alleged to have written a letter including the following (or perhaps consisting entirely of the following: |
| 11:03 |
jeff |
> "Thanks for your letter inviting me to join the committee of the Arts and Sciences for Eisenhower. I must decline, for secret reasons." |
| 11:07 |
jeff |
okay. now, why is marc_stream_importer.pl claiming successful import of 4 (out of 10) bibs when all ten have an imported_as value? |
| 11:07 |
jeff |
disclaimers: 2.5.x, had to bring vandelay db functions up to date first, backported 1match to marc_stream_importer.pl |
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* jeff |
pokes and prods |
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csharp |
jeff++ |
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jeff |
having a match point on 856$u for these overdrive records has really helped. |
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* csharp |
follows @DEVOPS_BORAT |
| 11:11 |
jeff |
we don't have a copy of "How They Said It", which is at least one book that makes the "for secret reasons" claim. Interestingly enough, the first result for my keyword search of how they said it ended up being about Eisenhower. |
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jeff |
ah, because repeated calls to $req->recv are getting only some of the data points. |
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berick |
jeff: important change was added to bug #1279998 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1279998 in Evergreen "Support vandelay import match strategies in marc_stream_importer" (affected: 1, heat: 10) [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1279998 |
| 11:24 |
jeff |
thanks -- i was just comparing master with what i have with regard to this specific bit |
| 11:24 |
jeff |
i already backported 1match |
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berick |
thinking the 'my $extra = {report_all => 1};' might be what you need |
| 11:25 |
jeff |
yay! i'll bet that's it. |
| 11:26 |
jeff |
already looking better. |
| 11:26 |
jeff |
berick++ |
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jeff |
i feel a great disturbance in the code... as if $NUMBER of Dumper() calls cried out, and were removed. |
| 11:27 |
berick |
haha |
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berick |
s/disturbance/relief/ |
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jeff |
so, when running this with a 1000 record spool file, i found that marc_stream_importer.pl exited (i think without success or failure) before things completed, but then in the background things continued to progress until all 1000 bibs were imported. |
| 11:30 |
kmlussier |
csharp: Thanks for looking into the e-mail issue! |
| 11:30 |
jeff |
is that worth filing a bug, or do you think it's been fixed already? |
| 11:32 |
berick |
jeff: i haven't seen that -- never tried a file that size -- so it's probably worth a bug. |
| 11:33 |
jeff |
thanks. |
| 11:33 |
jeff |
berick++ some more |
| 11:34 |
jeff |
this might also be something my sleepy eyes missed last night, but the spoolfile passed to marc_stream_importer in no-daemon mode gets deleted -- i don't see thing in marc_stream_importer.pl that would do the actual deletion (unless I'm missing something in how File::Temp->tempfile works. Is the vandelay backend consuming and deleting the file in question? |
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* jeff_ |
looks at this client to see if he truncated |
| 11:35 |
jeff_ |
nope! |
| 11:35 |
berick |
open-ils.vandelay deletes the file |
| 11:36 |
jeff |
okay, good. wasn't sure if that was something else that my sleepy eyes missed last night. |
| 11:39 |
csharp |
@quote add < jeff> i feel a great disturbance in the code... as if $NUMBER of Dumper() calls cried out, and were removed. |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 11:39 |
csharp |
bleh |
| 11:40 |
csharp |
@quote add < jeff> i feel a great disturbance in the code... as if $NUMBER of Dumper() calls cried out, and were removed. |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: The operation succeeded. Quote #95 added. |
| 11:43 |
yboston |
FYI, though I may be very late to the party, but I saw some links this morning about the plans for Angular 2.0 |
| 11:43 |
yboston |
"A sneak peek at the radically new Angular 2.0" http://jaxenter.com/angular-2-0-112094.html |
| 11:43 |
dbs |
Yeah, can't worry too much about Angular 2.0 at this point. |
| 11:44 |
dbs |
We can stick with Angular 1.3, running Dojo 1.3 :) |
| 11:44 |
yboston |
dbs: :) |
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dbwells |
We could always go back to Evergreen 1.3 while we are at it ;) |
| 11:55 |
kmlussier |
"It’s also been confirmed that there will be no migration path from Angular 1.X to 2.0." |
| 11:55 |
kmlussier |
Is that something we should be worried about? |
| 11:58 |
jeff |
i would say "aware of" is more important than "worried about" |
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RoganH |
yboston: reading on Angular 2.0. ug. |
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yboston |
kmlussier: it seems they will not release Angular 2.0 until late 2015 or early 2016. At the that release time they will give 18 months to 2 years support for Angular 1.3 |
| 12:03 |
jeff |
Angular 1.3 just shipped. 2.0 is under construction and is considered experimental. We should not rest on our laurels, but the sky is not yet falling with regard to "oh no we're not using Angular 2 yet!" :-) |
| 12:03 |
yboston |
kmlussier: so that should translate into a couple of more years of support at the very least |
| 12:04 |
jeff |
yboston: i had been looking for any official claims of support timeline for 1.2/1.3 -- do you have a link to what you just summarized there? |
| 12:04 |
yboston |
I did not mean to share the link to scare anyone, just meant it as a general heads up |
| 12:04 |
yboston |
let me look for it |
| 12:04 |
jeff |
kmlussier: the claim "there will be no migration path from Angular 1.x to 2.0" seems to contradict what I've seen, or be lacking some context. |
| 12:05 |
jeff |
kmlussier: the "What about Migrating from 1.3 to 2.0?" section of this blog post should help there: http://angularjs.blogspot.com/2014/10/ng-europe-angular-13-and-beyond.html |
| 12:06 |
kmlussier |
Oh, I'm not scared. I just know that we previously had trouble keeping up with other things (Dojo, XUL, MODS), and the statement about no migration path just seemed a little concerning. |
| 12:06 |
yboston |
jeff: I got it from a comment at the end of the link I posted, right before the embedded video |
| 12:06 |
kmlussier |
But I'm glad to see that this statement isn't supported elsewhere. |
| 12:06 |
yboston |
jeff: "According to Brad Green of Angular, Angular 1.3 will continue to receive bugfix and security patch support for 18-24 months after the release of version 2.0." http://jaxenter.com/angular-2-0-112094.html |
| 12:07 |
jeff |
kmlussier: in ways similar to Dojo, it probably won't just be a matter of "include the new AngularJS 2.0 and done!", so there will be work required to maintain it and migrate from 1.x to 2.0. It is good to have these conversations early. :-) |
| 12:07 |
jeff |
yboston: thanks! |
| 12:07 |
kmlussier |
Also, the idea of working with a toolkit that does an upgrade without a clear migration path was just a little concerning. :) |
| 12:09 |
RoganH |
jeff: thanks for the link, the "we'll work on an upgrade path after 2 is out" is very different from "there won't be an upgrade path" |
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kmlussier |
jeff, RoganH: Yes, absolutely. The information in that link was reassuring. |
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Dyrcona |
Ah, the beauty of JS frameworks..... |
| 12:52 |
jeff |
vandelay overlay (at least with this merge profile and with marc_stream_importer.pl and my environment) does not update an existing record with a new source, and does not update the edit date of the bre. are any of those behaviors unexpected/undesired? |
| 12:52 |
jeff |
i can see at least in my use case a desire for at least option of updating both. |
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mmorgan |
jeff: lp 957466 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 957466 in Evergreen "overlaying a record from vandelay does not update editor/edit_date" (affected: 7, heat: 34) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/957466 |
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Dyrcona |
jeff: The behavior is expected, perhaps, but not necessarily desired. |
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jeff |
mmorgan++ thanks! |
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* kmlussier |
waves to mpurcell |
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mpurcell |
hi! |
| 14:05 |
kmlussier |
mpurcell: I just saw your bug confirmation come through. Thanks for helping out! |
| 14:06 |
mpurcell |
Sorry, that was a mistake. Wish I could have helped out so soon. Still need to install the software. Working on it today. |
| 14:06 |
mpurcell |
To clarify, I hit confirmed by mistake. |
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kmlussier |
heh...that happens. :) |
| 14:09 |
kmlussier |
I'm writing up some info for you now on bitesize tasks to help out with. |
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Dyrcona |
mpurcell: Launchpad wouldn't let you change it back to triaged? |
| 14:10 |
mpurcell |
No |
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Dyrcona |
Ok. I changed it. |
| 14:11 |
bshum |
It probably should stay "confirmed" though |
| 14:11 |
Dyrcona |
And, wow! That's kind of an old bug. |
| 14:11 |
Dyrcona |
If you say so, bshum. |
| 14:11 |
bshum |
Given that the original reporter said a thing and then I added input from paxed who seems to confirm it |
| 14:11 |
Dyrcona |
And, it is confirmed again. |
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kmlussier |
bshum: Insomnia again? |
| 14:12 |
Dyrcona |
@dessert paxed |
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* pinesol_green |
grabs some of mllewellyn's Cupcakes for paxed |
| 14:12 |
Dyrcona |
Ah, too bad. I was hoping for salmiakki. ;) |
| 14:12 |
bshum |
kmlussier: Not exactly... I was staying up to try seeing if I could preorder a fancy new phone (the Nexus 6) |
| 14:12 |
bshum |
Google gave me hope and then it was spirited away in less than 30 seconds :( |
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paxed |
...which bug was that? |
| 14:13 |
dbs |
poor bshum. at least you had a chance |
| 14:13 |
mpurcell |
Thanks! |
| 14:13 |
bshum |
https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/564026 |
| 14:13 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 564026 in Evergreen "Wishlist: add error msg when searching by ID" (affected: 3, heat: 18) [Wishlist,Confirmed] |
| 14:13 |
Dyrcona |
lp 564026 |
| 14:13 |
dbs |
<-- canada. 'nuff said. |
| 14:13 |
bshum |
paxed++ # still doing good for us, years later |
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bshum |
dbs: True :( |
| 14:14 |
paxed |
ah, that. heh. |
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mpurcell |
kmlussier: thanks |
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dbs |
paxed++ |
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Dyrcona |
jeff: One little hitch with automating every mundane task: When it comes time to do it again, you find yourself scratching your head trying to remember the name of the script or function that you wrote three months ago when you did it last time. |
| 15:17 |
Dyrcona |
And apparently, I *didn't* automate this particular task. |
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* Dyrcona |
shrugs. |
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jeff |
Dyrcona: automate and document! ;-) |
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Dyrcona |
jeff: Only junior devops believe the documentation. ;) |
| 15:23 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: but yes, i've also had both of the following: "i forgot this was automated! yay!" as well as "what, that's not automated yet? i could have sworn..." :P |
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Dyrcona |
But, it is a simple matter of cloning a user. |
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* Dyrcona |
just set up a new SIP2 account. |
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Dyrcona |
I *thought* that I had a database function or SQL script that I could just run with the right options, but apparently I hallucinated that. |
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Dyrcona |
Now, to punch some holes in the firewall..... |
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wsmoak |
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