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Results for 2015-02-04

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12:33 bshum Bleh
12:33 Dyrcona I'll make a fix and post it to Launchpad.
12:33 Dyrcona After lunch.
12:34 bshum Dyrcona++ # thanks for testing that in your system.
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14:12 kmlussier I'm guessing it's important to those sites using boundaries.
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14:15 tsbere kmlussier: At least I saw it as important enough to test and post to launchpad, right?
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15:10 bshum Again.
15:10 dbwells bshum: Is metabib.reingest_metabib_field_entries not enough?  I need to check to remember what exactly it does and doesn't do.
15:11 bshum dbwells: I'm unsure.
15:15 dbwells It's not the right piece.
15:18 dbwells I think we need metabib.reingest_record_attributes() in this case.  Let me see if I can test it out a bit.
15:26 dbwells bshum: based on my testing, SELECT metabib.reingest_record_attributes(id); is sufficient for this situation.  Paste forthcoming...
15:30 pastebot "dbwells" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "Partial Reingest Addendum For Upgrade Script" (24 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/30
15:35 Dyrcona Is there a test script floating around to see if Python is working correctly with Evergreen?
15:35 Dyrcona I did --enable-python 'cause I eventually want to see if I can get constrictor working.
15:35 bshum dbwells++
15:35 bshum I'll tack that on and get the tarball finished to push up to the website

Results for 2015-02-02

15:56 eeevil and, berick, do you know of any version restrictions we need to be aware of with the version of angular we're on?
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16:03 jeff eeevil: defaulting to jquery CDN and making it reasonably easy to override?
16:03 berick eeevil: hmm, looks like we should start by testing 2.1
16:03 berick "Angular 1.3 only supports jQuery 2.1 or above. jQuery 1.7 and newer might work correctly with Angular but we don't guarantee that.
16:03 berick "
16:03 eeevil berick: yep. just saw that. I'm importing 2.1.3 from the cdn
16:04 berick jeff: I assume we'd want to eventually deploy it ourselves, in the same manner we deploy angular and other deps
16:04 eeevil jeff: it's just a template ... so, as long as it loads
16:04 berick .. so we can scrunch it all into a single file
16:06 berick we'd probably have to deploy it locally for unit tests, too
16:06 berick i'm sure there's a bower target for jquery, though, so that's easy enough
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17:54 csharp Dyrcona: using 14.04 on our DBs but 12.04 everywhere else
17:55 Dyrcona csharp: Thanks.
21:37 Dyrcona I also think unwrap_perl suffers from extra recursion.
21:59 Dyrcona Ah, crazy.
22:00 Dyrcona Apparently, I am making it into the open-ils.actor.patron.update method, but it is blowing up on addresses.
22:00 Dyrcona I didn't flesh addresses, 'cause I just wanted to change the name for a test.
22:05 Dyrcona Interesting. It's blowing up on the user object that it pulled from the database and not the one that I passed in via XML-RPC.
22:08 Dyrcona Also, unwrap_perl seems to be making a proper Fielmapper::actor:_user object from what I am giving it via XML-RPC.
22:08 Dyrcona Not as neat as taking what the server gives me, modifying that, and handing it back.

Results for 2015-02-01

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08:44 dbs @later tell csharp yep, we rolled back to a much older version of SIPServer; only have one SIP client so we need it to just work
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Results for 2015-01-30

10:54 * csharp is seeing high RAM on PINES' sip servers and was assuming the fixes for bug 1339190 would help resolve it, but doesn't want to bring on a world of hurt
10:54 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1339190 in SIPServer "SIPServer is heavy, not my brother" (affected: 3, heat: 14) [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1339190
10:54 csharp oh, and we're using a SIPServer of an early 2013 vintage
11:00 jeff do you have time/resources to run a new SIPServer on an alternate host or alternate port, and test with a small group of SIP clients, adding or removing from the test if/as you run into trouble?
11:00 jeff i know you'd hate to be too much of a test bed...
11:00 csharp hmm - that's a thought
11:01 csharp our testing process is actually asking libraries to connect their devices/third-party services to whichever testing cluster we've set up for the purpose
11:01 jeff but there are certainly benefits for you (and all) in having the gains of things like the work in that bug, so identifying any new issues would clear the path...
11:02 Dyrcona Looks like we're not running that fix, yet.
11:02 csharp but it would answer most of our questions to throw in an upgraded sip server for a day and record what happens
11:36 goood thanks
11:37 goood kmlussier: you're using the admin account?
11:38 kmlussier goood: Yes
11:38 goood I'm not having that issue. just tested with admin
11:38 jboyer-isl csharp, There's no news like old news, but I thought I'd pass along that we've been running SIPServer master as of roughly christmas time with Multiplex and it's been good. (I did have to bring back the nightly service restarts, but that's not that big a deal.)
11:39 jeff jboyer-isl: what made you bring back the nightly service restarts?
11:40 jeff jboyer-isl: and do you mean just SIPServer, or restarting OpenSRF services on the SIP host also?
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11:57 kmlussier Never mind. It seems to be working correctly now. The autocompleting URL probably steered me wrong.
11:58 jeff 9118 Pure Significance Inlet
12:00 kmlussier OK, one webby mystery solved then. :)
12:00 * kmlussier resumes testing bug fixes
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12:14 csharp jboyer-isl: thanks for sharing that
12:14 csharp I'll definitely consider upgrading, at least in a rollback-able way ;-)
12:42 bshum dbwells: Reading the Launchpad entry, I said I did backport it. So if it's not there, then I guess I screwed something up?
12:43 * bshum can look more closely when he finishes eating lunch.
12:46 kmlussier mmorgan: Hooray! :)
12:47 dbwells bshum: Yes, it was probably just an oversight, but the fact that that piece relied on the other bug gave me pause.  I just tested on our live 2.7 install, and am now sure it is needed.  I'll push it in when I get back from lunch unless you beat me to it.  (same for rel_2_6)
12:48 mmorgan Forcing https would be good practice, though.
12:57 bshum dbwells: Well darn, that's an annoying screwup.  I'll add that missing commit and then adjust the launchpad ticket to signify that it wasn't actually backported right till now... :(
12:58 bshum dbwells: Related, I think we've got enough stuff for a good maintenance release soon.
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13:16 goood kmlussier: I'm going to go ahead and hide it
13:18 kmlussier goood: OK. I'm about to post to the LP bug the results of our first round of testing on the fixes.
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16:01 collum Nope.
16:01 collum gmcharlt just tweeted.
16:02 collum I can only go to one conference a year, and this year it's going to be Computers in Libraries.
16:26 Dyrcona Rollback is great for testing.
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Results for 2015-01-29

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12:00 jeff mmorgan: does the template file work in the previous version of the client? i don't remember offhand how tricky that might be in your environment to test.
12:01 jeff (i'm wondering if there was a change that broke import of previous-version receipt templates, either in some or all circumstances)
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12:04 mmorgan jeff: Hmm. That's a thought. I'll see if I can find an older client to test it on.
12:05 kmlussier mmorgan: I could try it in a 2.5 client
12:05 jeff could also explain why the new client failed to load the stored templates from disk.
12:06 jeff if you find signs that seem to confirm that theory, the template file that broke could be useful -- especially if it's "only under certain circumstances" kind of thing.
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16:24 RoganH_ Quick question - does anyone know off the top of their head if last activity includes SIP activity?
16:24 RoganH_ (I can go test it of course but feeling lazy.)
16:31 kmlussier I should know the answer to that question.
16:32 mmorgan There are sip2 activity types. One for login and one for verify
16:36 jeff and I think only "verify" is used by current code.
16:52 gmcharlt @later tell foo you have been eaten by a grue
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16:52 eeevil dbwells++
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17:03 csharp @quote random
17:03 pinesol_green csharp: Quote #21: "< Dyrcona> Writing software is more fun than working." (added by csharp at 09:29 AM, November 29, 2011)
17:04 Dyrcona And with that, I'm outta here.

Results for 2015-01-28

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09:49 dbwells So, on Google's guide page linked above, looking at the Do/Don't "Travel stream" example, does anyone agree with Google that the raised buttons here are more "heavy" than necessary?
09:50 dbwells It's about a third of the way down the page.
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09:52 phasefx dbwells: I don't have a strong opinion there, but I think I'm used to what Google is doing, and I'm very adaptable.  Presumably they've done actual user testing (I'd pretty much bet on it)
09:52 dbwells I'm presuming that as well.
09:53 phasefx I think the words being verbs and all caps invite them to be interpreted as actions
09:53 dbwells But even with zillions of dollars, there is always going to be a certain subjectivity to really subtle design choices which is hard to measure, so I'm not going to go all in on Google, either :)
09:55 phasefx dbwells: and also potential bureaucratic craziness/bias
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09:55 phasefx I doubt any company is purely rational and numbers driven
09:55 jboyer-isl My issue with that example (took me a while to find it) is they are comparing completely flat with raised. There’s a level in between, which is just the color border, no shadow. That’s the one I’d prefer in that situation.
09:56 jboyer-isl phasefx: Google may be as close as can be on that front. (Que stories about the 47 shades of blue A/B testing, etc.)
09:56 phasefx mmm
09:57 gmcharlt I also think we can't dismiss that firms like Google, while I do believe that they can and do more actual UX testing... are also under a marketing impetus to refresh their look periodically
09:57 phasefx as opposed to Yahoo with the CEO changing colors at the last minute :)
10:00 dbwells jboyer-isl: So do you think you would generally support the idea of a "lighter" button style for cases where button-ness is easily identifiable from context, but a "heavier" style when you need a button to stand out due to placement or generally screen busy-ness?
10:01 dbwells That question is for everyone else too, of course.
11:56 csharp hopefully we'll be closer to a browser based client by the time Windows 10 is in common usage, though
11:56 mrpeters it was working fine
11:56 bshum mrpeters++
11:56 mrpeters i used it for a day to test our standalone debs for Evergreen
11:56 bshum Testing the future.
11:56 mrpeters win 10 is going to be pretty solid i think
11:56 mrpeters may get me to upgrade from win 7
11:57 Jake___ Thats great to hear
12:38 gmcharlt just need somebody to contact me or bshum when they're ready to say go
12:38 mrpeters i'd probably need someone to tell me when one is needed, and then i'd upload the file and let someone update the downloads page when they update the rest of the clients
12:38 gmcharlt and for that matter... I'm happen to simply be sent the clients, and I can put them in place
12:59 csharp gmcharlt: testing your fix now
12:59 gmcharlt csharp: did you all run into the issue?
12:59 * csharp recalls running into NOHEADING several months ago
12:59 gmcharlt snap
13:05 kmlussier #info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC
13:05 gmcharlt :)
13:06 kmlussier Small meeting? :)
13:06 gmcharlt appears so...
13:06 gmcharlt #topic Updates
13:06 gmcharlt #action gmcharlt will install (or verify that it was installed) the libc6 fixes for the "GHOST" vulnerability today on the evergreen-ils.org boxes
13:08 gmcharlt #action after ALA Midwinter, gmcharlt will get the documentation test VM provisioned
13:08 gmcharlt kmlussier: any quick updates from you?
13:08 kmlussier gmcharlt: No, I haven't done anything for the web site this month.
13:08 gmcharlt I saw that ericar has sent out a query about updated the roster
13:09 gmcharlt I believe she's on the road today, though
13:28 kmlussier I would argue that since there wasn't a quorum, the meeting didn't actually take place. ;)
13:28 csharp one_screenful_meetings++
13:29 tsbere kmlussier: Ah, but to discuss things we didn't need a quorum. Just to actually vote on stuff. Our decision was more along the lines of "why discuss things if we can't vote on them anyway?" :P
13:29 csharp #vote ulitmate power to the web team: Yes
13:30 csharp er.. ultimate power, even
13:30 csharp gmcharlt: I tested your branch - signoff branch on the way
13:31 bshum For fun, http://evergreen-ils.org/irc_logs/evergr​een/2011-07/%23evergreen.08-Fri-2011.log was when I thought I had the shortest meeting ever for the community meetings (back when we were doing those).  The timestamps put it at14 minutes.  So yes, that meeting I missed was shorter :)
13:31 bshum gmcharlt: Apologies for missing things, I was stuck talking while retrieving my lunch :(
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Results for 2015-01-27

12:06 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Wells] Remove unwanted index recreation - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c3c8b74>
12:07 goood make that 4ffa62207
12:07 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1253163: stamping upgrade for authority.in-line-headings - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4ffa622>
12:09 bshum Honestly, I don't remember what I was testing that day when I merged that.  Wasn't that related to the PG 9.3 weirdness and function breakage?
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12:11 bshum Wait, I'm confused by those two commits you linked now.
12:11 bshum Are you saying the index should be there or shouldn't be there?
12:11 pastebot "Dyrcona" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "MVLC WWW diff with master" (40 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/27
12:12 bshum Dyrcona: That doesn't look too unusual to me.
12:18 bshum Or to put it another way, what did I break now?  10+ months later :(
12:41 goood berick: thanks. are there any instructions for installing on windows or mac?
12:45 berick goood: no instructions.  same concepts for both, though, just different commands
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13:05 csharp goood: I'm attempting to apply the fix for bug 1414112 on a test server and getting this error: http://pastie.org/9865951 ... it looks like it should work, though :-/
13:05 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1414112 in Evergreen 2.7 "Audience filter no longer searching blank spaces" (affected: 2, heat: 12) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1414112
13:09 Dyrcona berick: After comparing notes wth bshum, I really think it is something under EGCatloader, probably doing xact_begin followed by xact_commit or xact_rollback, but no disconnect.
13:09 Dyrcona He sees the messages in his logs, also, just not as many.
13:19 csharp Dyrcona++
13:23 dbwells Hey all.  Just a quick double-check: is PG 9.1 still the minimum version for EG 2.7?
13:23 csharp dbwells: from my understanding, 9.1 has not been deprecated yet for any EG version
13:24 bshum dbwells: PG 9.1 is the minimum version, but personally I only tested with PG 9.3 and recommend that to everyone who goes up to EG 2.7 :)
13:24 dbwells csharp++ Thanks.  I thought that to be true, but didn't want to find out mid-upgrade that I was wrong :)
13:25 csharp dbwells: I'll mention that we're on 9.3, so I can speak from experience upgrading to 2.7 on 9.1 ;-)
13:25 dbwells bshum: That's probably good advice, but my upgrade window is a little tight this time around.  We'll get there eventually.
15:12 Stompro Wireshark says it is trying to use tls1.0, which is enabled, so maybe the problem is with the ciphers enabled.  Apache logs show nothing so it is't getting past the ssl negotiation phase.
15:12 dbs Stompro: umm. works pretty great for me
15:12 dbs https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze​.html?d=laurentian.concat.ca&amp;latest anyways
15:13 Stompro dbs: would you mind sharing your SSLCipherSuite line?  I also just loaded a non self signed cert.. I should probably not change too many things at once before testing :)
15:13 * dbs using https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS (intermediate support)
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15:14 dbs SSLCipherSuite ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GC​M-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-ECDSA-​AES256-GCM-SHA384:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:DHE-D​SS-AES128-GCM-SHA256:kEDH+AESGCM:ECDHE-RSA-AES128​-SHA256:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES12​8-SHA:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-SHA:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA​384:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SH​A:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256:DH​E-RSA-AES128-SHA:DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA256:DHE-R
15:14 jeff Stompro: i'd be interested in your config and in your failure mode / errors, but purely for selfish reasons -- i'd like to know how it can break. doesn't help you fix it right now.
15:14 Stompro Firefox can connect just fine to the catalog... just not the staff client.
15:14 * dbs also redirecting everything from HTTP to HTTPS
15:19 Stompro jeff: The error mode is that the server status check fails with a red "There was an error testing this hostname".  The other issue that could be related is that the cert is so new that the OCSP info hasn't been updated, so maybe the staff client is trying to validate the cert against the OCSP list and failing because of that?
15:19 Stompro And it has nothing to do with the cipher suites.
15:19 jeff What OCSP issue do you think you're running into?
15:22 Stompro I think I was supposed to wait an hour or two before using the new cert for the OCSP info to get added.  I think a negative reply is cached now on the OCSP server so I have to wait for 24 hours for it to time out.  ssllabs does give me an "OCSP ERROR" so they are seeing it also.
16:40 Dyrcona We got two feet plus, all right.
16:52 Dyrcona Well, I'm signing off.
16:53 Dyrcona TTYL, #evergreen!
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17:21 gmcharlt goood: bug 1415234
17:21 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1415234 in Evergreen "uncontrolled attribute values that consistent only of spaces are normalized away" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1415234
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Results for 2015-01-26

10:39 Dyrcona berick: I could possibly share them.
10:39 berick so they are just hanging out waitin to time out
10:39 Dyrcona Well, I don't think CStoreEditor is the problem, though we should still probably clean up the code.
10:40 Dyrcona I mentioned last week that I added a warn to the destructor and did some tests on my dev machine and every other line (not quite) in the logs was the destructor being called.
10:41 berick that's great, but doesn't help when the destructor isn't called, like when refs are still in scope
10:42 Dyrcona And now, we're down to 41 cstore drones.
10:42 Dyrcona Thing is, I haven't found anywhere the refs look like they would still be in scope.
15:17 tsbere Bmagic_: You need to fix that. ;) autogen.sh -u may work?
15:18 Bmagic_ tsbere: ok, that did fix that
15:19 tsbere Bmagic_: In that case your "4 times" issue is likely fixed
15:20 Bmagic_ tsbere: testing
15:25 Bmagic_ tsbere: yep, solved
15:25 Bmagic_ tsbere++
15:26 Bmagic_ tsbere: can you help me understand why the DB returned those rows in that function?
16:12 dbs guess not!
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Results for 2015-01-25

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10:30 Dyrcona Wow. That was fast. Pidgin must have been cached in RAM.

Results for 2015-01-24

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Results for 2015-01-23

12:32 kmlussier berick++
12:33 dbs berick++
12:36 RoganH berick++
12:39 dbwells berick++  I was just looking for the live test info yesterday!  I stumbled my way through it...
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13:10 * Dyrcona just signed in to say, "Hey!"
15:29 jeff "oh, school burned down (no injuries). phew. i thought the SAN had gone down or something."
15:39 Dyrcona Nah, just a routine thing about an upcoming event.
15:39 Dyrcona Fine Arts Night
15:42 jeff i should probably test this report with a query that completes in less than 31s.
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16:31 kmlussier Have a great weekend everyone!
16:36 bshum kmlussier++ # thanks for testing my fix for lost&paid :)
16:37 bshum Have a nice weekend.
16:41 mmorgan kmlussier++ bshum++
16:49 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1412893: Only apply lost and paid status with the proper transactions - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=609db84>
17:10 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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Results for 2015-01-22

09:00 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1386347 in Evergreen 2.6 "Speed up hold copy map deletion for clear shelf process, etc." (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]
09:05 csharp dbs: or eeevil: for bug 1206936, does the suggested change in comment #7 supercede my "use window functions" branch and solve the original problem?
09:05 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1206936 in Evergreen "money.transaction_billing_summary view displays incorrect billing_type and billing_note for the actual last transaction" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206936
09:05 * csharp hasn't tested, jsyk
09:07 tsbere jeff: Regarding differences in default notification formats: TPac (pipe, prefers email, then phone, then sms) vs old JSPac entries (dunno) vs Patron Editor (colon, prefers phone, then email, then sms)
09:10 jeff tsbere: thanks. i had suspected as such, and started to compare new/old patron editors vs tpac -- thought i saw in tpac that it was colon-delimited, just with a different order. guess i'll have to re-look.
09:14 bshum csharp: On bug 1386347, I was leaning towards removing the milestone from that, since nobody seems to be championing it for backport presently.
14:00 pinesol_green [sipserver|Thomas Berezansky] LP#1227273: Clear account info at start and end of connection - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​SIPServer.git;a=commit;h=cd45513>
14:01 bshum That's the last commit our SIPServer is up to running apparently.
14:01 bshum It was before the timeout stuff and the multiplex stuff
14:25 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
14:46 Stompro Is creating read only postgres access really as difficult as it seems to be?  Needing to run a command for every schema individually?
14:50 bshum Stompro: I believe that's how we had to do it in the past.
14:50 bshum And actually I think we even went further and specified it table by table in some cases.
15:28 kmlussier bshum: It shouldn't take me long to look at it again. The problem is all of the other stuff I have on my plate today.
15:30 kmlussier But if you wait until tomorrow, I can also look at that Lost and Paid bug too.
15:31 Dyrcona kmlussier: I've loaded the branch on my dev system already, so feel free to toggle settings on there if you want.
15:31 dbwells kmlussier: rats, sorry.  Probably a merge error I made of some kind when getting it into the branch.  I loaded the branch earlier on my test box, but haven't gotten back to it yet.  I'll get it fixed.
15:31 Dyrcona The lost and paid fix branch, that is.
15:31 kmlussier dbwells++ Great, thanks!
15:32 bshum kmlussier: That's fine, I can wait to cut tomorrow.
15:41 bshum Damn, missed the # in the previous commits
15:41 jeff but not as many wasted characters as LP#number - Commit description here
15:41 bshum I need to finish poking at the ilbot config
15:43 Dyrcona I need to test phasefx_'s marc_export changes. Probably won't get to it today.
15:44 Dyrcona They won't go into 2.7 anyway.
15:48 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1407171 Avoid DEFLATEing fm_IDL.xml - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=112b270>
15:50 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1373594: Also ignore subfield 7 in get_graphics_880s - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=67999a6>
15:57 bshum It's cause that's already the default, but should we keep that in the help info for people who might have it live elsewhere for some reason?
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16:14 dbwells kmlussier: Dyrcona: I missed one added and two deleted lines in my merging (or unmerging, as the case may be).  It seems happier now at my end, so I force pushed over the same branch (collab/dbwells/1198465_cstore_fines_gen).  Thanks for the early testing!
16:14 kmlussier dbwells++
16:18 Dyrcona kmlussier: I can load the revised branch if you want to look at it tomorrow.
16:18 remingtron bshum: I think the help info should be enough as is, since the config setting is the first option listed. But I don't have strong feelings either way.
16:30 bshum Dyrcona: Most of the things I end up pushing to 2.7 tend to be either tiny or broken things.  I usually save dbwells the trouble of pushing it to rel_2_6 on his behalf, but I could change that if he'd prefer to push it himself :)
16:31 kmlussier Dyrcona++ Thank you!
16:31 jeff bshum: so trying to install debian-wheezy-packager target after installing debian-wheezy-developer results in an error because it tries to clone the node git repo a second time.
16:31 bshum If it was me, I wouldn't hold off on backporting if it's indeed a bug fix.
16:32 bshum jeff: Ahh..... I primarily tested the Ubuntu side of things, and those are all packages.
16:32 bshum So it doesn't usually clobber itself, it'll just add whatever packages it's still missing.
16:32 * jeff nods
16:32 bshum jeff++ # may want to file that a new bug then for 2.8 series.
16:33 bshum Darn Wheezy
16:44 bshum Hmm
16:45 bshum Maybe like the install_libdbi thing before install_nodejs_from_source
16:45 bshum Where we look for the folder, if not present, get it, etc.
16:45 dbwells I think whoever does the testing should go ahead and push to all applicable branches.  The fact that bshum is an RM and also tests a bunch of things just confuses the situation ;)
16:46 * bshum either has lots of hats or lots of heads.
16:46 bshum Possibly both.
16:47 bshum jeff: That's of course all from Makefile.common I'm curiously looking at.
16:55 Dyrcona I'll just build a new vm on Saturday or Monday.
16:55 kmlussier Dyrcona: Thanks for trying!
16:55 * kmlussier calls it a day
16:56 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
17:01 berick tsbere: re: bug 1413624, if you hope to get it merged into 2.8, go ahead and target 2.8-beta
17:01 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1413624 in Evergreen "New AccessHandler Module" (affected: 1, heat: 8) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1413624
17:02 eeevil dbwells: I've been terribly remiss in not looking at your cstore-fine-gen code ... I'm wondering what the reason for that is? (the use of cstore instead of dbi in the storage app, in particular) ... but, I think I've found a problem in any case. it looks like penalty calculation is being called before the cstore->commit is called

Results for 2015-01-21

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14:15 Dyrcona Ah.. here's a question.
14:15 Dyrcona What happens to results from a substream search if the transaction is rolled back and the editor disconnected?
14:16 Dyrcona S'pose I can write a test program to find out.
14:18 berick cseditor does everything synchronously, so you couldn't disconnect/rollback until all results had been retrieved.
14:19 berick in which case they're no different than non-substream data
14:19 Dyrcona OK/
15:34 kmlussier I knew the answer to that question a few months ago.
15:34 tsbere I believe marking as claims returned will overwrite the lost stop fines reason as well.
15:34 tsbere Just as an extra data point
15:35 bshum Then I feel better about looking at the stop_fine reason to decide whether to set the lost&paid status
15:35 bshum mmorgan++ # testing
15:42 * dbs moves onto trying to find out why "Add to list" is failing silently (at least client side), wonders whether our HTTPS-everything config may be a factor.
15:44 dbs "GET /eg/opac/mylist/add?locg=105;record=830689 HTTP/1.0" 302 4896 "http://laurentian.concat.ca/eg/opac​/mylist/add?locg=105;record=830689" says yes.
15:44 dbs 302 = "go to HTTPS dummy!"
15:45 kmlussier For those who missed the email, the scheduling poll for our next Bug Squashing Day is at http://doodle.com/umc27afh7akqczft
15:46 * dbs squints at ctx.opac_root
15:47 * Dyrcona pushed a commit to fix a/ts to the collab branch.
15:47 Dyrcona Tested it on dev with a hold notification and it still works.
15:48 Dyrcona We're going to load it into production next time we have to restart services.
15:49 dbs $ctx->{base_path} = $r->dir_config('OILSWebBasePath'); # getting there
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16:37 * dbs determines that the http 302 redirects for lists are from yandex web crawler. *sigh*
16:38 bshum mmorgan: I added a new comment with a potential working branch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/eve​rgreen/+bug/1412893/comments/2
16:38 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1412893 in Evergreen "Applying lost and paid status at the wrong time" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Undecided,Confirmed]
16:39 bshum mmorgan: If you get time later to try tossing that in some test environment and seeing if it handles the lost&paid situation better, let me know what you can find out.
16:39 bshum I plan to try it out more when I can get it on a system too.
16:39 bshum Dyrcona++ # helping me fix my sucky perl
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16:46 mmorgan bhum: I will give it a try at some point soon.
16:47 mmorgan bhsum++

Results for 2015-01-19

10:31 wsmoak this is a fairly fresh Yosemite install, and I haven't customized FF at all
10:33 wsmoak will be interesting to see what another osx user sees.  Norton might be to blame, it sticks its nose where it isn't wanted all the time.
10:34 wsmoak anyway... the search works fine now that I know what I'm looking at. :)  minor issue.
10:48 dbs http://i.imgur.com/dbmZDa9.png is what mine looks like
10:48 dbs (highlighting PINES obscures the icon sadly, oh well)
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10:54 * dbs wonders idly why Browse catalog by title works in one library in our instance but not in another
10:54 dbs (returns a server 500 error, yikes)
10:58 * dbs peers at egweb: Context Loader error: Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at WWW/EGCatLoader/Browse.pm line 271.
11:00 dbs suggests its a database error, and the there's no $self->editor->event member that was returned I guess.
11:03 * dbs opts to stop testing defensive code in production after making every page request return 500 :)
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12:09 dbs my defensive code is simply offensive
12:12 dbs even weirder, that browse works on our test instance where we haven't reingested all of the records. hrm.
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12:23 eeevil dbs: any chance the osrf translator memcache instance is misconfigured in the apache configs?  I've seen that break browse and just a couple other things in the past.  A/T event def editor would also break, for instance
12:24 dbs eeevil: definitely possible
12:37 Dyrcona But then, I'm "off" today.
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12:47 julialima_ Hello evergreeners!!! The web client is not working, at least for me. In the patron search I can´t perform any search, I have no feedback so I don´t know what is going on. Anyone know if there is a problem?
12:47 bshum Dyrcona: I've seen that too actually.
12:47 bshum Also "off" :)
12:51 bshum julialima_: I'm probably not the best person to answer you (I'm not sure how many folks have off today in the US). Anywho, which server are you using to test with?
12:52 dbwells julialima_: Some folks might be at lunch, which is where I am headed.  Also, just to clarify, are you talking about webby.evergreencatalog.com, or some other test site?
12:52 bshum Maybe there might be a hint in the browser console
12:53 gmcharlt julialima_: try webby now; I've restarted services there and it's now working for me
12:54 julialima_ gmcharlt: It is working now, thank you very much! :)

Results for 2015-01-16

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08:15 kmlussier eeevil: I'll see if I can get some end user testing here on webby for those web client fixes.
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10:20 * csharp laughs evilly
10:20 jboyer-isl It's particularly fun to use cores-1, provided it has the RAM to pull it off.
10:20 csharp jboyer-isl: daredevil!
10:21 jboyer-isl I like to test ACID compliance, keep postmaster on it's toes, etc. :D
10:21 * berick waits for a 'top' screenshot
10:22 csharp ERROR: not enough room on screen
10:22 berick says it all
12:09 dbs We are still using scripts though! Which is always fun.
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12:39 kmlussier berick/eeevil: For commit b577d39, is there a specific bug with dates being fixed that we should be testing for?
12:39 kmlussier Hmm...I thought that would bring up the commit if I typed it that way.
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12:39 berick kmlussier: it's not a bug
12:39 berick it's part of the noncat circ display
13:41 mrpeters what is current reccomended xulrunner for 2.72?  (building a mac client)
13:45 berick mrpeters: 14.0.1
13:45 mrpeters thanks berick!
13:45 eeevil kmlussier++ # testing! :)
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14:21 dbs julialima++ # great stuff
14:45 Dyrcona kmlussier: OK. I likely haven't read that one yet.
14:47 jeff kmlussier: thanks for calling that out. i've been reading that thread but apparently am not current.
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14:52 kmlussier eeevil / berick: If you're still around, there were 4 bug fixes mentioned in Mike's most recent bug repairs comment that I was unsure on what to test for. http://pastebin.com/r21hv2ke
14:53 kmlussier Some may be related to other fixes to be tested there, but I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything.
14:53 berick kmlussier: for "Repair browser client dropdown buttons" -- it's an issue that would only appear on a fairly new server
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14:54 berick in the grids, the Actions drop-down buttons don't work w/o the patch
14:54 berick making sure they still work on older servers would be helpful, thoug
14:54 berick h
14:54 kmlussier berick: Ok. So the 1st isn't something I can really test for on webby?
14:55 berick checking Actions dropdowns in Webby to make sure the change didn't introduce a problem would be good
14:55 kmlussier berick: Sure, that we can do. :)
14:55 berick kmlussier: for "Avoid org tree retrieval race condition on patron app" -- without this patch, pages would sometimes fail to load with a JS error.  if you never saw the problem before, it's not really testable, apart from "hey, pages load!"

Results for 2015-01-15

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09:52 berick eeevil: ideally w/ an LP listing what to test.  i'm happy to review, test, sign-off
09:53 eeevil berick: you mean you want an lp bug for each bug/fix, or a listing of what's fixed on one bug
09:53 berick i think one bug is fine
09:57 eeevil k
10:37 jboyer-isl It depends on how much (and how directly) misc_util is pulled into a module. I'm probably not giving it the necessary level of thought myself. (I came across that bug while looking for another bug that I apparently never filed)
10:40 jboyer-isl display fields would probably take care of any potential issues I have with misc_util going away, I was just thinking of all of the hard-coded tags and fields from that file being pulled behind the scenes, which I suppose isn't really the intent.
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11:37 abowling i'm trying to test changes on the place_hold.js script that affects the place_hold.xul template. i clear my cache, restart apache, and restart services, but it seemingly has no effect. i looked to see if the javascript exists on my local machine, and it doesn't. any ideas?
11:40 bshum abowling: So to be clear, you're making changes to that file in the server side installed version?
11:40 bshum Somewhere in /openils/var/web/xul/server/...
11:40 abowling bshum: yes.
11:42 bshum Are you sure that the staff client version of your client is matching to where server links to for the files server-side?
11:42 abowling didn't think i'd need to restart apache. just making sure it wasn't cached on the server somewhere.
11:43 bshum Or did you try editing the specific version's installed folder content
11:43 abowling bshum: yes. it's the EDN master we use for testing.
11:43 bshum Well, it sounds like you got all your bases covered to me.  Maybe the change you're expecting to happen isn't happening.
11:44 abowling bshum: i'm editing the specific installed version file, fwiw
11:44 abowling it's confounding
11:45 bshum patron?
11:45 bshum Hmm
11:45 bshum Oh right
11:45 abowling bshum: just for testing, i've commented out this line just for a simple test:
11:45 abowling //$('hold_usr_textbox').value = au_obj.card().barcode();
11:45 bshum My mind's not on XUL stuff :)
11:46 abowling understood. i'm pretty good with the perlmods and OPAC, but my XUL history is limited, and that's understating it
11:47 abowling upon restarting the staff client, $('hold_usr_textbox') is still getting a value set
12:09 bshum berick: Right, I know
12:09 jeff abowling: worth noting that your apache log line is NOT requesting the javascript file you stated you were editing.
12:10 bshum If so, he's probably looking for /openils/var/template/opac/place_hold.tt2 (or ../parts/place_hold.tt2 actually)
12:10 abowling i'm pulling up test records, clicking "Place Hold", and then selecting "Advanced Options"
12:10 jeff abowling: i think you want to be looking at /openils/var/web/opac/skin/default/js/holds.js and such.
12:10 abowling bshum: that now seems likley
12:10 bshum Ah, yeah, wrong place.
16:03 rangi they do 2 weeks, first week is learning
16:03 rangi 2nd week is project work
16:04 rangi its been Koha, Drupal, Mahara, Silverstripe and Piwik
16:09 * jeff returns from digging
16:10 jeff vandelay functions were in a bad state on my test instance.
16:10 Dyrcona rangi: Cool.
16:10 jeff fixed, all's well.
16:11 jeff and this is a good reminder that i need to do some more research with regard to better ways to schema-only diff postgres databases :-)

Results for 2015-01-14

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08:24 Ghid0rah Good morning all. Does anyone know if there is a way to test Evergreen's email notification configuration in Evergreen 2.7.2?
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19:26 conlinism If I were looking to get involved in contributing to the web front end of Evergreen, how would I do that?
19:35 csharp ~contribute
19:35 pinesol_green Interested in contributing to the Evergreen project?  Please see http://www.evergreen-ils.org/do​kuwiki/doku.php?id=contributing and http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/​doku.php?id=eg_developer_overview.
19:35 csharp conlinism: basically, read this^^, then install evergreen on a test server and start hacking!
19:39 conlinism thanks!
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Results for 2015-01-13

14:40 kmlussier Well, any new developer is essentially "dropped into our midst," right?
14:40 berick jeff: i'd be happy to help review/edit any such guidlines
14:40 dbs Unfortunately most of those tests would require python for RDFLib and I'm not keen on introducing more dependencies
14:40 gmcharlt dbs: does that translate to "you are willing to help set up such testing"?  I'd be happy to collaborate with you on that
14:41 jeff berick++ sounds good.
14:41 dbs kmlussier: yes, but the mindset is often such that a new developer == "yay they're helping build this thing" vs "this person is getting in the way"
14:41 gmcharlt vs "this stranger is TELLING US WHAT TO DO. OH NOES!"
14:43 berick i would welcome someone whose job it was to research and present ideas, proofs-of-concept, etc. on QA stuff.
14:43 berick "manage" and "take charge" may not be the right words
14:43 berick "drive" maybe
14:43 jeff berick: as 2.8 RM how do you feel about gmcharlt's proposal of "a somewhat stricter attitude about requiring" tests?
14:43 dbs "Hey, look at what you can do with a few lines of additional code"
14:43 kmlussier Yes, "drive" is a good word. :) As gmcharlt said, somebody with an explicit commitment.
14:44 gmcharlt berick: and "review patches"... I really think it does need to be grounded
14:44 berick jeff: +1 from me for bumping to strictness level 2
14:44 berick gmcharlt: ah, yes, that would ideal
14:45 jeff gmcharlt: am i correct in thinking that koha has an explicit "QA" signoff? Is that a mostly automatic (tests passed!) signoff, or is that a human signing off with a specific eye toward QA?
14:46 jeff (deja vu -- i may have asked this question before)
14:46 gmcharlt jeff: the Koha process seeks two signoffs
14:46 gmcharlt 1st signoff is from essentially anybody who can install the patch and run it through its paces
14:47 dbs #link One accessibility checking API: http://wave.webaim.org/api/ (costs $$$ but it's an option)
14:47 gmcharlt the 2nd, QA signoff is based on an inspection by a human member of the QA team + the patches passing a set of extra, mostly static source-code level tests
14:47 berick as far as 2.8 goes, we'll need some guidelines for building tests, what the minimal requirements are.  I can build/collaborate on that.  i'll obviously need input, though.
14:47 berick and since it's late in the game, we'll have to be pretty forgiving
14:48 jeff sure. nobody's proposing FESTIVITY^WSTRICTNESS LEVEL 4.
14:49 gmcharlt so we have, to sum up, the following concrete suggestions at th emoment
14:49 gmcharlt 1. incrementing the strictness level
14:49 gmcharlt 2. berick et al writing up some guidelines and templates for pgTAP and perl unit tests
14:49 gmcharlt 3. dbs and galen putting together some automatic testing of TPAC and RDFa output
14:50 gmcharlt and less concretely, some fuzzy input on desiderata for a "QA person"
14:50 dbs #link another accessibility checking API: https://github.com/inclusive-design/AChecker (GPL v2)
14:50 * gmcharlt has used AChecker in the past, FWIW
14:51 kmlussier gmcharlt: Would it be helpful if someone (I can volunteer) do an environmental scan of other projects and who they handle these issues?
14:52 gmcharlt kmlussier: I haz thoughts on the matter and would be interested in working with you on it
14:53 kmlussier jeff: The who is part of it, but the overall process too.
14:53 kmlussier gmcharlt: Thanks!
14:55 gmcharlt so, just to double-check -- are folks (particularly committers) OK with stricter enforcement of providing pgTAP & perl unit tests for the 2.8 cycle?
14:55 eeevil may I as that followups happen on the -dev list? (rather than -general, not to exclude folks, but to avoid pulling in -dev help)
14:55 eeevil the kmlussier + gmcharlt + dbs + berick + others followups, I mean
14:56 kmlussier eeevil: That's fine with me
14:56 gmcharlt agreed
14:56 jeff It will make some things harder, but those things may well be the things that would most benefit from unit tests.
14:57 jeff (or pgTAP tests)
14:57 eeevil gmcharlt: for my part (re agreement), yes, where applicable and reasonable (that is, not useless for lack of context), stricter enforcement of tests
14:57 * eeevil does not plan to write tests that require a mock env that emulates all of Evergreen ... fwiw ;)
14:57 gmcharlt eeevil: indeed - I can point to some examples in recent memory of cases where some testing-for-the-sake-of-following-the-rules was in play
14:58 jeff eeevil: I don't think that any of our employers have enough time that tests for the sole sake of tests will be a common thing. :-)
14:58 phasefx are we excluding or including integration tests here against live test systems?
14:58 gmcharlt but I will emphasize that at the moment, Evergreen is in no danger of that!
14:58 eeevil gmcharlt: fair ;)
14:58 berick phasefx:  I was hoping to encourage the use of live tests for changes that can't be tested in a vacuum, if that's what you're asking
14:58 gmcharlt OK, I'm going to summarize, then move on to the next agenda item
14:59 phasefx berick: sounds good to me, and I just saw eeevil's desire not to build  huge mock environments :)
14:59 gmcharlt #item There is general agreement that for the 2.8 cycle, we'll be stricter about requiring relevant pgTAP & perl unit tests
14:59 gmcharlt #info There is general agreement that for the 2.8 cycle, we'll be stricter about requiring relevant pgTAP & perl unit tests
14:59 gmcharlt #info berick will write some guidelines on writing Perl and pgTAP tests
15:00 gmcharlt #info dbs and gmcharlt will work on automating accessibility and RDFa tests of TPAC
15:00 jeff berick: see what i did there, how that turned from you reviewing/editing to writing those from scratch? ;-)
15:00 gmcharlt #info kmlussier will do an environement scan of QA practices and experts in other project, with help from gmcharlt and others
15:00 * jeff ducks
15:21 gmcharlt #topic Negative blances / billing improvements
15:21 gmcharlt #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1198465
15:21 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1198465 in Evergreen "Support for Conditional Negative Balances" (affected: 14, heat: 66) [Wishlist,Confirmed]
15:21 dbwells I'm already late for another meeting, so I'll make this quick.
15:21 dbwells Basically, I'm just fishing for help in testing some or all of the billing changes which have grown on that bug.
15:22 dbwells As I stated in the agenda, I think separating out the root-level stuff and getting that tested/committed first would be a good strategy.  Any takers for testing?
15:22 berick dbwells: +1 to the idea of breaking out cstore billing to its own LP.  I would help poke at that.
15:22 jeff I'm interested in testing.
15:22 berick it's much more digestable...
15:22 kmlussier I'm interested in testing too.
15:22 dbwells sweet, thanks all
15:22 jeff I hate to ask, but... are there tests in the root-level stuff at this point in time?
15:23 dbwells I've been working this morning on getting the cstore stuff separated, it wasn't too bad.
15:23 dbwells jeff: Only in that it doesn't (or mightn't) break the existing billing tests.
15:24 dbwells At least that portion isn't meant to do anything new.  Not that we couldn't always use more tests, of course.
15:24 jeff In some ways, that's enough! Always nice when there are existing relevant tests. :-)
15:24 gmcharlt #action dbwells will separate the cstore billing code into a separate bug; jeff and berick will help with testing
15:25 gmcharlt and I suggest follow-up to open-ils-dev
15:25 dbwells I am out for now.  Thanks again to those who volunteered; expect to be bugged by me soon.
15:25 jeff dbwells++
15:26 kmlussier dbwells++
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17:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP#980296: Add void of lost processing fee on claims returned. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=806ecaa>
17:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP#980296: Update void on claims returned for longoverdue status. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=fc361aa>
17:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP#980296: pgtap tests for the void on claims returned org settings. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=a98eac1>
17:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#980296: Release notes entry for voiding lost on Claims Return - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=db91d15>
17:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#980296: Stamping upgrade script for void lost on claims returned, etc. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e75501d>
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