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dbwells |
@later tell bshum feel free to delete my old VM images, thanks |
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pinesol_green |
dbwells: The operation succeeded. |
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bshum |
dbwells: Thanks, will do. |
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jeff_ |
@later tell gsams if you're interested in modifications that we've made to the TADL catalog templates, the source to the live templates is available here: https://github.com/tadl/Evergreen_templates_tadlskin |
| 09:08 |
pinesol_green |
jeff_: The operation succeeded. |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen_website|Ben Shum] Remove all old virtual images - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen_Website.git;a=commit;h=69b8817> |
| 09:19 |
bshum |
The wiki's going to need more cleanup. I'll tackle more of that later today to remove references to old VMs |
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bshum |
dbs++ and dbwells++ for having contributed so many VMs over the years. |
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* csharp |
attempted to create a 2.3 VM a while back, but got bogged down while trying to make it "dummy proof" |
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* csharp |
should probably just let that fantasy go ;-) |
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Dyrcona |
Heh.... |
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RoganH |
The only perfect solution is the one that is theoretical and untested by users. |
| 10:03 |
jeff |
RoganH: where are the specs for that inventory project you're talking about on the list? |
| 10:03 |
* Dyrcona |
disagrees in this: The only perfect solution has a user base of 1, and that user is also the programmer. |
| 10:03 |
RoganH |
The ones I have in hand are messy. I'm cleaning them up for distribution. To be honest interest has been MUCH higher than I expected this fast. |
| 10:03 |
jeff |
RoganH: $100k seems like one heck of an undertaking. |
| 10:04 |
tsbere |
Dyrcona: I disagree. The perfect solution has no user base. ;) |
| 10:04 |
RoganH |
it's a good size project. the resolution of inventory is relatively simple but you also need the project management tools for large inventories. |
| 10:04 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: Depends on whose doing the work. Some firms won't touch anything less than USD 1 million. |
| 10:04 |
* csharp |
thinks the next big project should be getting off of xulrunner |
| 10:05 |
RoganH |
csharp++ |
| 10:05 |
csharp |
but, RoganH - many of our libraries have been clamoring for inventory |
| 10:05 |
Dyrcona |
tsbere: 1 user > 0 users . :) |
| 10:05 |
RoganH |
Can we go web based for the staff client? |
| 10:05 |
RoganH |
I think inventory is very doable by 2.6, I just have to bring the funding together. |
| 10:05 |
Dyrcona |
RoganH: Sure, if you don't not being able to print receipts, etc. |
| 10:05 |
jeff |
s/funding/specs/ |
| 10:05 |
jeff |
receipts can be a solved problem. |
| 10:05 |
RoganH |
Drycona: printing is so 20th century, email them :) |
| 10:06 |
RoganH |
(That was joking, my own staff would kill me.) |
| 10:06 |
Dyrcona |
Email is so 20th century, TXT them! |
| 10:06 |
RoganH |
Dyrcona++ |
| 10:06 |
jeff |
HI UR RCPT IS AT bit.ly/[blah] |
| 10:06 |
jeff |
:P |
| 10:07 |
RoganH |
I'll have the full specs in a week in a nice clean format that will library director and board friendly. |
| 10:07 |
RoganH |
I thought I'd post that and no one would get back to me until Monday, instead I've had a bunch of folks all going at once - when, where, how? |
| 10:08 |
csharp |
RoganH: oh - great |
| 10:08 |
jeff |
sounds fun. i'll be interested to see how it compares with what others have in mind. are the specifications at this point just based on input from within SCLENDS? |
| 10:08 |
csharp |
RoganH: you might check with Elizabeth for interest - and PINES developed a requirements doc a while back for inventory too |
| 10:09 |
dbs |
Scan all barcodes / RFID tags, aggregate with copies that have been checked out / used in-house over the past X months, spit out a list of missing barcodes + bib info... $100K please! |
| 10:09 |
RoganH |
Primarily. We want additional input but the conscious effort was to make it for generic workflows not sclends specific. |
| 10:09 |
jeff |
based on past/recent experience, i hate to see a large feature go to bid with specs from only one library, then have the resources spent on development be wasted when the larger community comes up with a solution that better fits the needs of the rest of the community. |
| 10:09 |
RoganH |
We brought in staff from a lot of different backgrounds and actually skipped over specific requested workflows to try to keep with what we though would be more community oriented features. |
| 10:09 |
csharp |
jeff++ |
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* Dyrcona |
imagines jeff gazing westward as he types that. |
| 10:10 |
RoganH |
That's a valid observation jeff but that also has never been the history with SCLENDS. We've never gone into development just to look for features specific to ourselves. |
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RoganH |
In fact keeping us from doing that is an explicit part of my job. |
| 10:11 |
jeff |
but, unless i misunderstand your statements here and on the list, that's exactly what you've done here. :-) |
| 10:11 |
RoganH |
chsarp: I've been trading emails with Elaine and Elizabeth about it |
| 10:11 |
csharp |
RoganH: excellent |
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jeff |
i'm not saying that your intentions are misguided, i'm just offering caution. :-) |
| 10:12 |
RoganH |
jeff: whether or not parties will be interested and find the features viable will be for them to decide when they look at the specs |
| 10:13 |
jeff |
one library consortium creating specifications that they think the community will want/need is different from getting community feedback on detailed specifications before sending a project out to bid. |
| 10:13 |
jeff |
but just to be clear: |
| 10:13 |
jeff |
RoganH++ |
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jeff |
SCLENDS++ |
| 10:13 |
RoganH |
jeff: that depends on whether you consider specs final at this point, we don't |
| 10:13 |
jeff |
and i'll stop my sometimes nit-picky feedback and look forward to the specs next week or so. :-) |
| 10:14 |
RoganH |
jeff: we consider this a framework and want to bring in other interested parties to see if they think it's viable and if they have input on where they think it needs to go or chang |
| 10:14 |
jeff |
RoganH: cool. from your statements, it sounded like the project was ready to go, vendor lined up, and you were seeking funding partners. sorry if i misunderstood. :-) |
| 10:14 |
RoganH |
Well, I'm seeking people seriously interested and yes, I'd like to finding funding partners. I look to that early because it takes a long time. |
| 10:15 |
RoganH |
Many projects die because specs are talked about easily but when funding comes up suddenly everyone disappears. |
| 10:15 |
jeff |
little red hen. |
| 10:16 |
RoganH |
Anyway, I'll be back on later. I have a spare power cable for my laptop downstairs I have to go grab! |
| 10:20 |
jeff |
RoganH++ for good measure |
| 10:21 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I get to figure what a parts mapping file is going to look like. |
| 10:22 |
jeff |
I get to craft Yet Another Variation On Bib/Holdings Export |
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kmlussier |
akilsdonk_: I'm updating http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:2.4_needs to identifhy 2.4 docs that are complete. Can you review the ESI stuff and let me know if I got anything wrong? |
| 10:23 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: We should have a repository just for all of those variations. I have at least 3. |
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akilsdonk_ |
I'll take a look. Thanks, kmlussier! |
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paxed |
ohhyeah. fresh bilberries... omnom |
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mmorgan |
seems there's no way to override the blocked capture of a hold when a patron is blocked. Just wondering if I'm missing something. |
| 11:23 |
csharp |
@hate reports |
| 11:23 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: But csharp already hates reports! |
| 11:23 |
csharp |
@hate reports more |
| 11:23 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: The operation succeeded. csharp hates reports more. |
| 11:23 |
rfrasur |
maybe you can get the bot to start adding superlatives |
| 11:24 |
rfrasur |
csharp really hates reports...REALLY hates reports...hates reports more than cottage cheese...or something. |
| 11:24 |
bshum |
Mmm, cottage cheese :D |
| 11:24 |
csharp |
rfrasur++ # exactly |
| 11:25 |
rfrasur |
cottage_cheese-- |
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* rfrasur |
shudders |
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phasefx |
mmorgan: unblock the patron temporarily? |
| 11:33 |
mmorgan |
phasefx: that could work if the item is in hand. |
| 11:33 |
rfrasur |
why does the item need to be inhand? |
| 11:34 |
mmorgan |
if the item's out when the hold is placed, you don't know when it might cross the checkin desk. |
| 11:35 |
rfrasur |
are you trying to place it on hold for a blocked patron? |
| 11:36 |
phasefx |
do we want to get the webteam involved with EG facebook page at all? I notice we have 6 admins, and a lot of membership requests that haven't been approved or rejected |
| 11:37 |
rfrasur |
hah! I never even looked to see if there was an Evergreen FB page because everyone seemed to mock it so much. |
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phasefx |
mmorgan: you can also tweak what a given standing penalty will affect, regarding the different aspects of handling holds.. placement versus capture versus checkout, etc. |
| 11:37 |
* rfrasur |
can admin if you want...if it doesn't cheese anyone off. |
| 11:37 |
phasefx |
rfrasur++ |
| 11:38 |
phasefx |
rfrasur: join the group and I'll admin you |
| 11:38 |
rfrasur |
It's Evergreen ILS? |
| 11:39 |
* bshum |
isn't a fan of the Facebook group as much these days |
| 11:39 |
phasefx |
I think this link will work: https://www.facebook.com/groups/6396639614/ |
| 11:39 |
bshum |
Seems I spend more time removing spam from that. |
| 11:39 |
phasefx |
yeah, I have no interest in being involved with it |
| 11:40 |
mmorgan |
phasefx: rfasur: if staff decides it's appropriate to place a hold for a blocked patron with an override, seems like they should be able to capture it with an override. |
| 11:40 |
rfrasur |
um, then why have it? hmm...n/m that. |
| 11:40 |
phasefx |
rfrasur: Evergreen Open Source Integrated Library System |
| 11:40 |
bshum |
It's legacy. From before we created the Facebook page as it were. |
| 11:40 |
phasefx |
oh, is it different from some "page"? |
| 11:41 |
rfrasur |
yeah...there's an Evergreen ILS page |
| 11:41 |
phasefx |
groups versus pages? I have no idea how that all works |
| 11:41 |
rfrasur |
groups are annoying...pages are less annoying |
| 11:41 |
rfrasur |
:D |
| 11:41 |
bshum |
Yeah, I've been meaning to ask about closing down the group actually and disbanding it. But never got around to raising the question. |
| 11:41 |
* phasefx |
usually only goes to facebook if someone messages him directly there |
| 11:41 |
kmlussier |
I would support removing the FB group in favor of the page. |
| 11:42 |
* rfrasur |
agrees with that wholeheartedly |
| 11:42 |
bshum |
phasefx: This is the page btw: https://www.facebook.com/EvergreenILS |
| 11:42 |
rfrasur |
I think the page is necessary as an entry point for non-developers/social media novices |
| 11:43 |
phasefx |
I'd +1 just doing one Facebook thing |
| 11:43 |
kmlussier |
+1 |
| 11:44 |
rfrasur |
+1 |
| 11:44 |
kmlussier |
heh, phasefx, you're an admin of the page. :) |
| 11:45 |
rfrasur |
lol |
| 11:45 |
phasefx |
:D |
| 11:45 |
bshum |
Right, when we created the page, I added all the existing group admins to it. |
| 11:45 |
bshum |
I suppose we should revisit that again :) |
| 11:45 |
* phasefx |
had his fingers in a lot of stuff back when was a VP of "community advocacy" |
| 11:47 |
phasefx |
I'm not sure who "owns" the group or how to delete it if/when we pull the trigger on it |
| 11:49 |
mmorgan |
phasefx: we want to block CAPTURE in general, but in cases where staff override to place the hold, we'd like them to capture. Doesn't look like that's possible, though. |
| 11:49 |
rfrasur |
you could just change all the settings and kick everyone out. I tried to delete my son's open house group and couldn't. |
| 11:51 |
kmlussier |
Do you think we should post a message first telling group members to move over to the FB page? In case they haven't already. |
| 11:52 |
phasefx |
mmorgan: if it's a rare thing, maybe place the hold for a staff account instead of the patron and put a note on the staff account (yuck)? |
| 11:52 |
bshum |
kmlussier: I imagine that'd be helpful. I was thinking that and also changing the group description to tell people to go to the new page. |
| 11:52 |
jeff |
groups and pages have different purposes. why the sudden desire to 'delete' one? |
| 11:55 |
dbs |
Also someone needs to update freshmeat.net to tell them that Evergreen is past 2.0.4 now. (at somepoint freshmeat.net became freecode.com, huh) |
| 11:56 |
dbs |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_(software) needs some updating too |
| 11:56 |
rfrasur |
jeff: does the group get use? |
| 11:57 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: [Citation needed.] |
| 11:57 |
dbs |
http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=dev:evergreen:release_checklist - another checklist that kind of petered out |
| 11:57 |
jeff_ |
I do not know. Perhaps that is the reason for the desire to delete. |
| 11:57 |
rfrasur |
usually a group is for a specific purpose...and an inactive one generally denotes an inactive community...which isn't the case for Evergreen. It may just be inactive in FB |
| 11:58 |
dbs |
Dyrcona: actually, we managed to move past the "this page is in danger of being deleted" phase, so there's that |
| 11:58 |
mmorgan |
phasefx: yeah, it is a rare thing, and we have a workaround that's a little messy. I was just hoping there was something I missed. Thanks! |
| 11:59 |
* rfrasur |
would like to borrow bshum's box fan. |
| 12:00 |
rfrasur |
@wunder 47346 |
| 12:00 |
pinesol_green |
rfrasur: The current temperature in Hagerstown, Hagerstown, Indiana is 87.3°F (11:59 AM EDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 73.4°F. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 9 PM EDT this evening... |
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hopkinsju |
reingest |
| 12:07 |
hopkinsju |
? |
| 12:07 |
hopkinsju |
dbs: what were you saying about having to reingest bibs with 2.4.0/2.4.1? |
| 12:09 |
bshum |
@wunder 06708 |
| 12:09 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: The current temperature in Town Plot, Waterbury, Connecticut is 94.1°F (12:06 PM EDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 80.6°F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling). Excessive heat warning in effect until 8 PM EDT this evening... |
| 12:09 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Pasi Kallinen] Fix LP#1187402: Datafield contents turned undefined in Marc Editor after adding 006, 007 or 008 - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ad8f28f> |
| 12:09 |
rfrasur |
hmm, bshum: you keep that box fan |
| 12:09 |
kmlussier |
Let's see who can get the highest temp. |
| 12:09 |
* rfrasur |
will suffer |
| 12:09 |
bshum |
rfrasur: :) |
| 12:09 |
kmlussier |
@wunder 02771 |
| 12:09 |
bshum |
I just got to my office and turned it on. |
| 12:09 |
pinesol_green |
kmlussier: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Rumford RI US, Seekonk, Massachusetts is 93.0°F (11:48 AM EDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 75.2°F. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling). Excessive heat warning in effect until 7 PM EDT this evening... |
| 12:09 |
rfrasur |
@wunder 47353 |
| 12:09 |
pinesol_green |
rfrasur: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Liberty IN US, Liberty, Indiana is 84.0°F (11:28 AM EDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 75.2°F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 9 PM EDT this evening... |
| 12:10 |
kmlussier |
The bank thermometer told me it was 100. |
| 12:10 |
rfrasur |
I believe it. |
| 12:10 |
Dyrcona |
@wunder 01845 |
| 12:10 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 90.7°F (12:07 PM EDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 71.6°F. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Falling). Excessive heat warning in effect until 7 PM EDT this evening... |
| 12:11 |
rfrasur |
I'd totally skip work and go to the beach if we didn't have a budget committee meeting |
| 12:11 |
* rfrasur |
shakes her fist at the heaven...damn you, responsibility! |
| 12:12 |
* Dyrcona |
was tempted to work from home and hang out by/in the pool. |
| 12:12 |
rfrasur |
and you didn't because...why? |
| 12:12 |
phasefx |
mmorgan: do you allow blocked patrons to place holds in the first place? |
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phasefx |
mmorgan: if not, you could change the penalties to disallow placement and allow capture, so effectively the only holds that would get captured were staff placed ones and ones that already existed at the time the patron became blocked |
| 12:16 |
dbs |
hopkinsju: if you migrate to 2.4.0, without any of the follow-on work that went/will go into 2.4.1, then searching for strings with apostrophes will not work as expected. So you will have reingested all of your bibs for 2.4.0, then when you apply the 2.4.1 fix, you will have to reingest again |
| 12:16 |
hopkinsju |
@wunder 65203 |
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pinesol_green |
hopkinsju: The current temperature in Westwind Park Old Southwest, Columbia, Missouri is 89.2°F (11:13 AM CDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 71.6°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 12:17 |
phasefx |
mmorgan: though allowing capture in general for blocked patrons may be a good ploy for getting the patron into the library to resolve the block |
| 12:17 |
dbs |
Which is why I think when we know a release is pretty screwed up, we should flag it as such on the download page. |
| 12:17 |
mmorgan |
phasefx: we did think about that, but we want to avoid patrons being notified of a hold only to come in and find they can't check it out |
| 12:17 |
phasefx |
mmorgan: *nods* |
| 12:18 |
hopkinsju |
dbs: Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't realize the apostrophe search fix included a reingest. |
| 12:20 |
dbs |
hopkinsju: bug 1187433 contains the long and sordid tale, https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1187433/comments/19 is probably the most succint statement |
| 12:20 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1187433 in Evergreen "apostrophe search issues in 2.4" (affected: 3, heat: 22) [High,Confirmed] |
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paxed |
what's the best way to mangle xml? i'm looking into converting the translated marc21 format from the finnish national library into marc editor tooltips, but the xml is different... |
| 12:30 |
paxed |
(different from the tooltip xml) |
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rfrasur |
the best way is to put it in an editable document...and let a toddler play with the keyboard. |
| 12:33 |
rfrasur |
that's all I got |
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* rfrasur |
defers to people who know what they're talking about. |
| 12:35 |
Dyrcona |
paxed: Depends. xsltproc usually works for me. |
| 12:42 |
Dyrcona |
rfrasur has suggested the best method of mangling any kind of data file. |
| 12:42 |
Dyrcona |
rfrasur++ |
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paxed |
as far as i'm concerned, xml comes premangled. |
| 12:43 |
rfrasur |
ty...I was going to say let a library director touch the editable file...but I'm sure there are directors with competancies in xml |
| 12:43 |
rfrasur |
and that can spell competancy/ies |
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dbs |
paxed: depends heavily on your preferred programming language ) |
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* dbs |
likes xsltproc too |
| 12:51 |
paxed |
yeah, i'm loooking into that. |
| 12:51 |
paxed |
haven't done anything with xslt before, and i already like it better than perl... |
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Dyrcona |
parts-- |
| 13:08 |
csharp |
@karma parts |
| 13:08 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Karma for "parts" has been increased 2 times and decreased 6 times for a total karma of -4. |
| 13:11 |
jeff_ |
we have a number of patrons who have established holdshelf aliases starting with Z (or multiple leading letter Zs) |
| 13:11 |
jeff_ |
this is done because it results in their holds always being closest to the door when the walk in. :-) |
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bshum |
jeff_: Slick |
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rjackson-isl |
Having issues with courtesy notices (0 and 3 day) run by triggers |
| 13:27 |
rjackson-isl |
twice in past week they have gone to collected but no further |
| 13:27 |
rjackson-isl |
looked at log files but not seeing anything suspicious? |
| 13:28 |
rjackson-isl |
when I grep for a specific trigger id or an circ id related al I see is the collected log entries |
| 13:28 |
rjackson-isl |
last night and previous night ran fine... |
| 13:29 |
rjackson-isl |
anyone have ideas on what to look for? |
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ElliotFriend |
Can someone explain to me the difference (in the way that Evergreen works) between a "Shelving Location" (like I see in the OPAC) and a "Collection"? |
| 13:44 |
Dyrcona |
ElliotFriend: They are the same thing, though you can do what you want. |
| 13:45 |
ElliotFriend |
Dyrcona: So, the "Copy Locations Editor" could also be considered the "collection name editor"? |
| 13:45 |
Dyrcona |
ElliotFriend: If you want. Most people use copy location to correspond to a physical collection in the library. |
| 13:46 |
Dyrcona |
We're strange here, but we still carry a lot of legacy baggage. |
| 13:46 |
csharp |
ElliotFriend: we also see confusion between "copy location" and "shelving location" |
| 13:46 |
csharp |
they're the same thing too |
| 13:47 |
ElliotFriend |
Thanks guys! |
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ElliotFriend |
We've got a few small "collections" (dvd, cd, etc.) that share the same geographic vicinity (just a couple of shelves by the entrance, really). would it be best to consider them all as one "location" in evergreen or as individual locations? |
| 13:48 |
rfrasur |
ElliotFriend: from experience, it'd be best to do individual locations |
| 13:49 |
ElliotFriend |
rfrasur: That's what I've been thinking would work well. Thanks! |
| 13:49 |
rfrasur |
there may be other experiences though |
| 13:49 |
csharp |
individual locations allows for easier "batch" marking items non-holdable, non-circulating, or opac-invisible |
| 13:50 |
rfrasur |
and inventory. |
| 13:50 |
csharp |
like when you want to remove a library from usage for a while due to closures, etc. |
| 13:50 |
* rfrasur |
says things about inventory |
| 13:50 |
ElliotFriend |
Very true, and very important! |
| 13:50 |
csharp |
"filth flarn flarn filth" |
| 13:51 |
rfrasur |
csharp++ |
| 13:52 |
rfrasur |
(have I mentioned our "children's area" location that includes 5 or so major collections...that just happen to be in the children's room?) |
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* rfrasur |
grumbles |
| 13:52 |
Dyrcona |
dbwells: Would the best way to reserve accommodations for the hackaway be to call? |
| 14:02 |
rfrasur |
the brain power that I budgetted to do the budget has been completely spent. |
| 14:02 |
* rfrasur |
may need to request an additional appropriation to cover the rest of this process. |
| 14:03 |
Dyrcona |
not good. got disconnected while on hold. |
| 14:03 |
Dyrcona |
phones-- |
| 14:03 |
rfrasur |
not good |
| 14:04 |
paxed |
@hate xslt |
| 14:04 |
pinesol_green |
paxed: The operation succeeded. paxed hates xslt. |
| 14:05 |
rfrasur |
the strange and awful feeling that you're not spending enough money |
| 14:06 |
csharp |
paxed: heh - do you still like it better than perl? ;-) |
| 14:06 |
paxed |
@hate perl |
| 14:06 |
pinesol_green |
paxed: But paxed already hates perl! |
| 14:06 |
paxed |
csharp: different kind of hate |
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| 14:08 |
phasefx |
@loathe |
| 14:08 |
pinesol_green |
phasefx: http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content.php?theme=2&music=6&url=evergreen-ils.org |
| 14:08 |
phasefx |
that's just wrong |
| 14:08 |
rfrasur |
hah! |
| 14:09 |
rfrasur |
"site created with notepad - the right way" |
| 14:09 |
csharp |
@dunno help |
| 14:09 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Message root @ server God....Universe going down for reboot.... |
| 14:12 |
Dyrcona |
dbwells: Hekman Library Event..... |
| 14:13 |
* csharp |
is trying to force the reporter to create sql with IS NULL OR in the WHERE clause |
| 14:13 |
csharp |
specifically, we want items that have a null circ modifier or NOT IN (list of circ mods) |
| 14:14 |
* rfrasur |
tries to make a joke up about reporters but falls short and gives up |
| 14:21 |
ElliotFriend |
If I have a number of historical volumes from a specific journal/magazine/periodical (evergreen does have a record for the periodical), is there a way to show it in the OPAC without adding every issue as a copy? |
| 14:22 |
rfrasur |
elliotfriend: do they circulate? |
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* rfrasur |
likes each item to have its own item record |
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ElliotFriend |
rfrasur: they don't circulate. we will definitely want to add the copies, eventually |
| 14:27 |
ElliotFriend |
we're preparing to go from "yaaaay, all the books are in Evergreen!!" to "yaaay, we're actually using Evergreen to circulate, fine, etc.!!!" |
| 14:27 |
ElliotFriend |
they just haven't gotten to adding each issue of the magazines, yet. they just have create records for each periodical we have |
| 14:27 |
rfrasur |
I guess if you just want to show that you have the journal, you could add a volume and maybe one item (it's kinda frowned upon to add a volume with no items) and then go back and attach more items later. |
| 14:28 |
ElliotFriend |
rfrasur: that's true, would definitely work! |
| 14:28 |
rfrasur |
that's how we have our magazines anyway...we have one volume (generally using the ISSN) and then we're constantly adding/deleting items |
| 14:29 |
rfrasur |
there are more elegant ways, I'm sure. |
| 14:29 |
ElliotFriend |
In the MARC, each periodical has 092 and 535 set to "periodicals" (or something like that). Could we use that to force visibility? |
| 14:30 |
rfrasur |
visibility, as far as I know, is defined (generally) in the item attributes. So long as there's an item attached, it should show up (so long as that item is set to show up in the item attributes) |
| 14:31 |
rfrasur |
I don't know that its a MARC thing so much |
| 14:31 |
rfrasur |
We don't use 092 in our consortium (or necessarily 535) |
| 14:31 |
rfrasur |
092 is a local call number....which doesn't work for us. |
| 14:33 |
ElliotFriend |
gotcha |
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paxed |
whew. |
| 14:43 |
rfrasur |
does it work? |
| 14:43 |
paxed |
yes. except controlfields use different xml, so i need to tackle those next. |
| 14:43 |
rfrasur |
but....isn't it late there? |
| 14:44 |
paxed |
about quarter to 10 in the evening. |
| 14:44 |
rfrasur |
well, kinda late |
| 14:44 |
* Dyrcona |
is all set for the Hackaway. |
| 14:44 |
rfrasur |
Dyrcona++ |
| 14:44 |
Dyrcona |
paxed: Still daylight there? |
| 14:47 |
paxed |
Dyrcona: yes. the sun set in about 45 mins. |
| 14:47 |
paxed |
sets* |
| 14:50 |
Dyrcona |
Our sunset will be at 20:17 EDT. |
| 14:50 |
Dyrcona |
and, hey. we hit a record high temperature today. |
| 14:51 |
rfrasur |
@wunder 47346 |
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pinesol_green |
rfrasur: The current temperature in Hagerstown, Hagerstown, Indiana is 90.5°F (2:51 PM EDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 71.6°F. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 9 PM EDT this evening... |
| 14:51 |
rfrasur |
ours isn't so bad...not nice...but not bad |
| 14:55 |
rfrasur |
do any of your communities/employers pay a living wage rather than a minimum wage? |
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ldwhalen |
Can someone tell me the default install directory for the staff client on Windows XP and Windows 7? |
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tsbere |
ldwhalen: Generally 32 bit program files, in a "Evergreen Staff Client" folder |
| 15:00 |
tsbere |
(which on a 32 bit system is the only program files) |
| 15:00 |
bshum |
eeevil++ # speedier bib browse :D |
| 15:00 |
eeevil |
senator++ # writing the whole thing |
| 15:00 |
bshum |
Yes, senator++ |
| 15:01 |
senator |
bshum++ helping with testing |
| 15:01 |
ldwhalen |
tsbere: thank you |
| 15:01 |
senator |
it's a circle of congratulation ;-) |
| 15:01 |
csharp |
ldwhalen: <user home dir>\Application Data(or AppData)\(Roaming for Win7)\OpenILS is where the user profiles are stored |
| 15:04 |
ldwhalen |
csharp: thank you. Eventually, I will have a Windows install to look at these things, but the contents of my apartment are in a moving truck somewhere and have been for almost a month. I hope, once I am settled that I will be more active on here and in the Evergreen community in general. |
| 15:05 |
csharp |
ldwhalen++ |
| 15:05 |
bshum |
ldwhalen++ |
| 15:06 |
ElliotFriend |
rfrasur: would there be a way to add a volume/item to those periodicals in batch? a record bucket maybe? |
| 15:10 |
rfrasur |
If you have a volume already.....you can add multiple items to it by selecting "add item to volume" (or whatever it says). Generally, I do that in the item status screen or in holdings maintenance... |
| 15:10 |
rfrasur |
and then just designate how many items you want to add to the volume...and then put in the appropriate info. |
| 15:11 |
rfrasur |
then later on...if you want to do something to all of the items, you could use a copy bucket if you wanted....generally....sometimes. |
| 15:11 |
rfrasur |
depends on what you want to do. |
| 15:12 |
rfrasur |
I generally tend to not use buckets unless I'm doing a big delete....not an add. |
| 15:16 |
ElliotFriend |
So we would probably need to individually/manually create (at least) one volume for each periodical? |
| 15:17 |
Dyrcona |
ElliotFriend: You might want to ask on the General or cataloging mailing lists. You're likely to find a wider audience with more periodicals experience there. |
| 15:17 |
ElliotFriend |
Dyrcona: Good call! |
| 15:17 |
ElliotFriend |
What my mind keeps coming back to, is that it seems like we'll need to touch each periodical on its own. I'm trying to figure out how to avoid that... |
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Dyrcona |
Oops. Wrong window had focus.... |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Mike Rylander] Point feeds to TPAC instead of slimpac or JSPAC - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=5d19146> |
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| 15:31 |
rfrasur |
it's not weather made for jeans...that's all I'm saying |
| 15:34 |
rfrasur |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:46 |
kmlussier |
eeevil++ indeed #speedy bib browse |
| 15:49 |
rfrasur |
why would anyone want to snort caviar? does that even make sense? |
| 15:49 |
kmlussier |
? |
| 15:49 |
rfrasur |
http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/hc-op-mcenroe-hartford-segarra-chief-kupiec-leaves-20130712,0,1978336.column |
| 15:50 |
Dyrcona |
I'm not sure the courant is real news. I think it might be a spoof site, similar to The Onion. |
| 15:51 |
rfrasur |
it's just opinion anyway |
| 15:51 |
kmlussier |
The article doesn't say anyone actually did that, though apparently it's in a song lyric - http://www.metrolyrics.com/freshmint-lyrics-regurgitator.html |
| 15:52 |
rfrasur |
yeah. apparently my nonsense radar is broken right now |
| 15:54 |
paxed |
ha. data massage always reveals faulty data. |
| 15:54 |
Dyrcona |
Evidently, the courant is a legitimate paper. |
| 15:54 |
rfrasur |
yeah, for Hartford |
| 15:54 |
* paxed |
emails the finnish national library |
| 15:54 |
Dyrcona |
paxed: There is no data but bad data. |
| 15:54 |
rfrasur |
(some dude...that lives in Indiana....purports to LOVE fantasy and sci fi...and has never heard of GenCon) |
| 15:55 |
* tsbere |
has been known to ignore conventions due to a dislike of crowds |
| 15:56 |
rfrasur |
yeah...so, Evergreen related. We have some individual libraries in Indiana perking their ears up about the inventory module project |
| 15:56 |
rfrasur |
tsbere: I don't like conventions either. But GenCon....in Indiana...every year.... |
| 15:56 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, but GenCon has traditionally been aimed at gamers, no? |
| 15:57 |
rfrasur |
yeah, it is...but not only |
| 15:57 |
rfrasur |
and it's old...and established...and this is Indiana. There's NOTHING else going on (mild exaggeration....but only mild) |
| 16:00 |
tsbere |
You would be amazed at the number of conventions I don't know about on the things I am interested in. Even local ones. ;) |
| 16:00 |
rfrasur |
well....stop that. |
| 16:00 |
paxed |
ohyeah. tooltips in Finnish work. |
| 16:01 |
* tsbere |
tends to hear that someone is *at* a convention, and then 3 days later forget said convention exists, such is the power of his dislike of crowds |
| 16:01 |
rfrasur |
heh - I like to read articles and look at pictures afterward.\ |
| 16:02 |
* rfrasur |
should have scheduled the budget meeting for 4 instead of 4:30 |
| 16:02 |
kmlussier |
rfrasur: Who schedules a meeting for 4:30 on a Friday? |
| 16:03 |
tsbere |
someone hoping nobody will show up and they can bug out early? |
| 16:03 |
kmlussier |
tsbere++ |
| 16:03 |
rfrasur |
well....I agreed to it in lieu of having it AFTER the executive session at 5:15 |
| 16:03 |
rfrasur |
and made the appropriate whatevers to get people here...because the alternative was awful |
| 16:04 |
rfrasur |
library boards...that's who |
| 16:06 |
* rfrasur |
wonders if you chop up wooden shelving from the nonfiction if those constitute library boards. |
| 16:08 |
rfrasur |
the nonfiction section that is |
| 16:09 |
jcamins |
rfrasur: do you at least have pizza at the meeting? |
| 16:09 |
kmlussier |
And beer? |
| 16:09 |
rfrasur |
that'd be a negatory...but it's okay. I'm ordering a bunch of Dr. Who stuff for the 50th anniversary. |
| 16:09 |
rfrasur |
and no beer...cuz it's against our by-laws (cuz our by-laws are barely any fun every) |
| 16:09 |
rfrasur |
s/every/ever |
| 16:10 |
jcamins |
kmlussier: it's a budget meeting. That's, like, a drinking game for people wearing suits. |
| 16:10 |
* rfrasur |
is wearing jeans and sandals...to add class |
| 16:10 |
kmlussier |
jcamins++ |
| 16:10 |
jcamins |
"Every time the comptroller says the word 'accrual,' everyone take a drink." |
| 16:10 |
rfrasur |
jcamins++ |
| 16:11 |
rfrasur |
but it's not that intense of a budget meeting. Just me saying "this is the growth quotient" "we're doing this, this and that because of this, this and that" and "they need a raise" |
| 16:12 |
jcamins |
rfrasur: okay... "everyone take a drink when when rfrasur asks for more money"? |
| 16:12 |
jcamins |
s/when when/when/ |
| 16:12 |
rfrasur |
then I'll blind them with numbers and they'll ooo and ahh...and I'll go home and find pizza |
| 16:13 |
rfrasur |
heh, I'll all for that. Though I rarely ask for more money. I just ask to move it around and reprioritize. Budgets for tax funded agencies are a shell game. |
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* rfrasur |
ponders using the LIRF budget for Evergreen development instead of building improvements. |
| 16:16 |
rfrasur |
we could sponsor swag |
| 16:17 |
Dyrcona |
Beer for the developers! |
| 16:17 |
rfrasur |
oooooo |
| 16:17 |
rfrasur |
I don't think we can buy beer though. We could probably buy doritos. |
| 16:18 |
* rfrasur |
ponders if we COULD buy beer or not. |
| 16:19 |
jboyer-isl |
You can be reimbursed for 1 drink at a work meeting. I don't know if you can call 1 keg 1 drink, but it is in a single container... |
| 16:19 |
rfrasur |
huh |
| 16:19 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 16:20 |
rfrasur |
jboyer-isl: that's good to know. I thought there was some teetotal policy somewhere (other than our by-laws) |
| 16:20 |
jboyer-isl |
This loophole, by the way, would be why you see guys in suits drinking the flourescent margaritas at restaurants. No other reason to choke them down. |
| 16:20 |
Phenol |
When Importing MARC Records from Unicorn, Whats the correct tool to use? |
| 16:20 |
Dyrcona |
Phenol: A spade to dig a hole in the ground and bury them? |
| 16:21 |
* rfrasur |
chuckles and goes to budget or...budge it....bud jet? |
| 16:21 |
* rfrasur |
goes |
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Phenol |
k thanks |
| 16:22 |
linuxpoet |
Trying to compile opensrf and getting this error: /usr/local/src/opensrf-2.2.0/src/libopensrf/.libs/libopensrf.so: undefined reference to `memcached_free' |
| 16:22 |
linuxpoet |
opensrf configures fine |
| 16:22 |
linuxpoet |
including finding libmemcache |
| 16:22 |
linuxpoet |
any ideas? |
| 16:22 |
Dyrcona |
Phenol: You probably want the tools under Open-ILS/src/extras/import/ |
| 16:22 |
Dyrcona |
linuxpoet: It can't find the memcached headers? |
| 16:23 |
linuxpoet |
hrm |
| 16:23 |
Dyrcona |
Or, no, that's a linker error. |
| 16:23 |
linuxpoet |
Dyrcona: right |
| 16:24 |
Dyrcona |
Phenol: I've generally found that MARC records are all unique little snowflakes and generic tools seldom work to import or export them to the cataloger's satisfaction, and I'm not being facetious. |
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phasefx |
linuxpoet: did you run Makefile.install for prereqs? |
| 16:28 |
linuxpoet |
phasefx: not seeing a Makefile.install |
| 16:29 |
Dyrcona |
src/extras/Makefile.install |
| 16:29 |
* Dyrcona |
has those paths committed to muscle memory..... |
| 16:30 |
Dyrcona |
You said it finds libmemcached...I wonder if configure is getting the proper linker options. |
| 16:31 |
* phasefx |
is wondering if it's an unsupported platform with a way different version of memcached |
| 16:36 |
linuxpoet |
Dyrcona: alright ran that, installed all the modules etc |
| 16:36 |
linuxpoet |
still same error |
| 16:37 |
linuxpoet |
phasefx: it is centos 5.9 but I am running libmemcache from /usr/local |
| 16:37 |
linuxpoet |
because opensrf requires .8 |
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Dyrcona |
Is it finding the libmemcached in /usr/local? Is there another version installed elsewhere? |
| 16:38 |
linuxpoet |
yes it is finding it (else it won't compile), no I do not have any other libmemcache installed |
| 16:39 |
Dyrcona |
Is that error happening at runtime or is that from build time? |
| 16:39 |
linuxpoet |
Dyrcona: build time |
| 16:40 |
linuxpoet |
I am using this to configure |
| 16:40 |
linuxpoet |
PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH memcached_CFLAGS=/usr/local/include memcached_LIBS=/usr/local/lib ./configure --prefix=/usr/local |
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linuxpoet |
and this to make |
| 16:40 |
linuxpoet |
PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH memcached_CFLAGS=/usr/local/include memcached_LIBS=/usr/local/lib make |
| 16:41 |
linuxpoet |
ldconfig -vv|grep mem shows: libmemcached.so.9 -> libmemcached.so.9.0.0 |
| 16:41 |
linuxpoet |
libmemcachedutil.so.2 -> libmemcachedutil.so.2.0.0 |
| 16:41 |
linuxpoet |
libmemcachedprotocol.so.0 -> libmemcachedprotocol.so.0.0.0 |
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Dyrcona |
linuxpoet: Try just CFLAGS="-I /usr/local/include" LDFLAGS="-L /usr/local/lib" |
| 16:44 |
linuxpoet |
Dyrcona: for compiling or for configuring |
| 16:45 |
Dyrcona |
For compiling. It might work when configuring too. |
| 16:45 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier: I installed eeevil's patch for the bib auth browse speed up on my development vm just now if you want to try it. |
| 16:46 |
linuxpoet |
Dyrcona: stupid question but just to make sure, opensrf is 64bit safe right? |
| 16:46 |
linuxpoet |
same error |
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kmlussier |
Dyrcona++ #reading my mind |
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Dyrcona |
linuxpoet: Not sure then. It's a generic linker error and I've never had problems linking opensrf. I'd say trouble shoot it the way you would any linker problem. |
| 16:50 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: Are you doing other work on your server that would make it unwise for me to use the staff client right now? |
| 16:50 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier: No, go ahead. Everything should be up and running. |
| 16:51 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: I'm having trouble bring up various circ screens, patron search, check out. But not something that anyone needs to worry about this late on a Friday afternoon. |
| 16:54 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier: Ok. I'll look at it next week. |
| 16:54 |
linuxpoet |
Dyrcona: adding -lmemcached make that part go away now moving on to next error |
| 16:57 |
Dyrcona |
linuxpoet: Ah... so configure is actually not finding the right options for memcached. |
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Dyrcona |
kmlussier: I'm having no trouble with patron search or check out, but I'm on the LAN with the server. |
| 17:07 |
kmlussier |
Oops. I didn't actually exit all the way out and log back in, and it looks like I need to update my client. I'll do that and let you know if it's still giving me trouble. |
| 17:08 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: My bad. Working for me now. |
| 17:08 |
Dyrcona |
Ok. |
| 17:19 |
remingtron |
@later tell RoganH: I found a new bug tracker for EG. It includes incentives for older bugs. https://habitrpg.com/ |
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pinesol_green |
remingtron: The operation succeeded. |
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bshum |
remingtron++ |
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* kmlussier |
's productivity now takes a nosedive as she plays with HabitRPG. |
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bshum |
Heh |
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