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08:52 dbwells @later tell bshum feel free to delete my old VM images, thanks
08:52 pinesol_green dbwells: The operation succeeded.
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08:57 bshum dbwells: Thanks, will do.
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09:08 jeff_ @later tell gsams if you're interested in modifications that we've made to the TADL catalog templates, the source to the live templates is available here: https://github.com/tadl/Ev​ergreen_templates_tadlskin
09:08 pinesol_green jeff_: The operation succeeded.
09:15 pinesol_green [evergreen_website|Ben Shum] Remove all old virtual images - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ever​green_Website.git;a=commit;h=69b8817>
09:19 bshum The wiki's going to need more cleanup.  I'll tackle more of that later today to remove references to old VMs
09:28 bshum dbs++ and dbwells++ for having contributed so many VMs over the years.
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09:58 * csharp attempted to create a 2.3 VM a while back, but got bogged down while trying to make it "dummy proof"
09:58 * csharp should probably just let that fantasy go ;-)
09:59 Dyrcona Heh....
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10:02 RoganH The only perfect solution is the one that is theoretical and untested by users.
10:03 jeff RoganH: where are the specs for that inventory project you're talking about on the list?
10:03 * Dyrcona disagrees in this: The only perfect solution has a user base of 1, and that user is also the programmer.
10:03 RoganH The ones I have in hand are messy.  I'm cleaning them up for distribution.  To be honest interest has been MUCH higher than I expected this fast.
10:03 jeff RoganH: $100k seems like one heck of an undertaking.
10:04 tsbere Dyrcona: I disagree. The perfect solution has no user base. ;)
10:04 RoganH it's a good size project.  the resolution of inventory is relatively simple but you also need the project management tools for large inventories.
10:04 Dyrcona jeff: Depends on whose doing the work. Some firms won't touch anything less than USD 1 million.
10:04 * csharp thinks the next big project should be getting off of xulrunner
10:05 RoganH csharp++
10:05 csharp but, RoganH - many of our libraries have been clamoring for inventory
10:05 Dyrcona tsbere: 1 user > 0 users . :)
10:05 RoganH Can we go web based for the staff client?
10:05 RoganH I think inventory is very doable by 2.6, I just have to bring the funding together.
10:05 Dyrcona RoganH: Sure, if you don't not being able to print receipts, etc.
10:05 jeff s/funding/specs/
10:05 jeff receipts can be a solved problem.
10:05 RoganH Drycona: printing is so 20th century, email them :)
10:06 RoganH (That was joking, my own staff would kill me.)
10:06 Dyrcona Email is so 20th century, TXT them!
10:06 RoganH Dyrcona++
10:06 jeff HI UR RCPT IS AT bit.ly/[blah]
10:06 jeff :P
10:07 RoganH I'll have the full specs in a week in a nice clean format that will library director and board friendly.
10:07 RoganH I thought I'd post that and no one would get back to me until Monday, instead I've had a bunch of folks all going at once - when, where, how?
10:08 csharp RoganH: oh - great
10:08 jeff sounds fun. i'll be interested to see how it compares with what others have in mind. are the specifications at this point just based on input from within SCLENDS?
10:08 csharp RoganH: you might check with Elizabeth for interest - and PINES developed a requirements doc a while back for inventory too
10:09 dbs Scan all barcodes / RFID tags, aggregate with copies that have been checked out / used in-house over the past X months, spit out a list of missing barcodes + bib info... $100K please!
10:09 RoganH Primarily.  We want additional input but the conscious effort was to make it for generic workflows not sclends specific.
10:09 jeff based on past/recent experience, i hate to see a large feature go to bid with specs from only one library, then have the resources spent on development be wasted when the larger community comes up with a solution that better fits the needs of the rest of the community.
10:09 RoganH We brought in staff from a lot of different backgrounds and actually skipped over specific requested workflows to try to keep with what we though would be more community oriented features.
10:09 csharp jeff++
10:10 * Dyrcona imagines jeff gazing westward as he types that.
10:10 RoganH That's a valid observation jeff but that also has never been the history with SCLENDS.  We've never gone into development just to look for features specific to ourselves.
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10:10 RoganH In fact keeping us from doing that is an explicit part of my job.
10:11 jeff but, unless i misunderstand your statements here and on the list, that's exactly what you've done here. :-)
10:11 RoganH chsarp: I've been trading emails with Elaine and Elizabeth about it
10:11 csharp RoganH: excellent
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10:11 jeff i'm not saying that your intentions are misguided, i'm just offering caution. :-)
10:12 RoganH jeff: whether or not parties will be interested and find the features viable will be for them to decide when they look at the specs
10:13 jeff one library consortium creating specifications that they think the community will want/need is different from getting community feedback on detailed specifications before sending a project out to bid.
10:13 jeff but just to be clear:
10:13 jeff RoganH++
10:13 jeff SCLENDS++
10:13 RoganH jeff: that depends on whether you consider specs final at this point, we don't
10:13 jeff and i'll stop my sometimes nit-picky feedback and look forward to the specs next week or so. :-)
10:14 RoganH jeff: we consider this a framework and want to bring in other interested parties to see if they think it's viable and if they have input on where they think it needs to go or chang
10:14 jeff RoganH: cool. from your statements, it sounded like the project was ready to go, vendor lined up, and you were seeking funding partners. sorry if i misunderstood. :-)
10:14 RoganH Well, I'm seeking people seriously interested and yes, I'd like to finding funding partners.  I look to that early because it takes a long time.
10:15 RoganH Many projects die because specs are talked about easily but when funding comes up suddenly everyone disappears.
10:15 jeff little red hen.
10:16 RoganH Anyway, I'll be back on later.  I have a spare power cable for my laptop downstairs I have to go grab!
10:20 jeff RoganH++ for good measure
10:21 Dyrcona Well, I get to figure what a parts mapping file is going to look like.
10:22 jeff I get to craft Yet Another Variation On Bib/Holdings Export
10:22 kmlussier akilsdonk_: I'm updating http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/d​oku.php?id=evergreen-docs:2.4_needs to identifhy 2.4 docs that are complete. Can you review the ESI stuff and let me know if I got anything wrong?
10:23 Dyrcona jeff: We should have a repository just for all of those variations. I have at least 3.
10:23 akilsdonk_ I'll take a look.  Thanks, kmlussier!
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10:38 paxed ohhyeah. fresh bilberries... omnom
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11:18 mmorgan seems there's no way to override the blocked capture of a hold when a patron is blocked. Just wondering if I'm missing something.
11:23 csharp @hate reports
11:23 pinesol_green csharp: But csharp already hates reports!
11:23 csharp @hate reports more
11:23 pinesol_green csharp: The operation succeeded.  csharp hates reports more.
11:23 rfrasur maybe you can get the bot to start adding superlatives
11:24 rfrasur csharp really hates reports...REALLY hates reports...hates reports more than cottage cheese...or something.
11:24 bshum Mmm, cottage cheese :D
11:24 csharp rfrasur++ # exactly
11:25 rfrasur cottage_cheese--
11:25 * rfrasur shudders
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11:29 phasefx mmorgan: unblock the patron temporarily?
11:33 mmorgan phasefx: that could work if the item is in hand.
11:33 rfrasur why does the item need to be inhand?
11:34 mmorgan if the item's out when the hold is placed, you don't know when it might cross the checkin desk.
11:35 rfrasur are you trying to place it on hold for a blocked patron?
11:36 phasefx do we want to get the webteam involved with EG facebook page at all?  I notice we have 6 admins, and a lot of membership requests that haven't been approved or rejected
11:37 rfrasur hah!  I never even looked to see if there was an Evergreen FB page because everyone seemed to mock it so much.
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11:37 phasefx mmorgan: you can also tweak what a given standing penalty will affect, regarding the different aspects of handling holds.. placement versus capture versus checkout, etc.
11:37 * rfrasur can admin if you want...if it doesn't cheese anyone off.
11:37 phasefx rfrasur++
11:38 phasefx rfrasur: join the group and I'll admin you
11:38 rfrasur It's Evergreen ILS?
11:39 * bshum isn't a fan of the Facebook group as much these days
11:39 phasefx I think this link will work: https://www.facebook.com/groups/6396639614/
11:39 bshum Seems I spend more time removing spam from that.
11:39 phasefx yeah, I have no interest in being involved with it
11:40 mmorgan phasefx: rfasur: if staff decides it's appropriate to place a hold for a blocked patron with an override, seems like they should be able to capture it with an override.
11:40 rfrasur um, then why have it?  hmm...n/m that.
11:40 phasefx rfrasur: Evergreen Open Source Integrated Library System
11:40 bshum It's legacy.  From before we created the Facebook page as it were.
11:40 phasefx oh, is it different from some "page"?
11:41 rfrasur yeah...there's an Evergreen ILS page
11:41 phasefx groups versus pages?  I have no idea how that all works
11:41 rfrasur groups are annoying...pages are less annoying
11:41 rfrasur :D
11:41 bshum Yeah, I've been meaning to ask about closing down the group actually and disbanding it.  But never got around to raising the question.
11:41 * phasefx usually only goes to facebook if someone messages him directly there
11:41 kmlussier I would support removing the FB group in favor of the page.
11:42 * rfrasur agrees with that wholeheartedly
11:42 bshum phasefx: This is the page btw:  https://www.facebook.com/EvergreenILS
11:42 rfrasur I think the page is necessary as an entry point for non-developers/social media novices
11:43 phasefx I'd +1 just doing one Facebook thing
11:43 kmlussier +1
11:44 rfrasur +1
11:44 kmlussier heh, phasefx, you're an admin of the page. :)
11:45 rfrasur lol
11:45 phasefx :D
11:45 bshum Right, when we created the page, I added all the existing group admins to it.
11:45 bshum I suppose we should revisit that again :)
11:45 * phasefx had his fingers in a lot of stuff back when was a VP of "community advocacy"
11:47 phasefx I'm not sure who "owns" the group or how to delete it if/when we pull the trigger on it
11:49 mmorgan phasefx: we want to block CAPTURE in general, but in cases where staff override to place the hold, we'd like them to capture. Doesn't look like that's possible, though.
11:49 rfrasur you could just change all the settings and kick everyone out.  I tried to delete my son's open house group and couldn't.
11:51 kmlussier Do you think we should post a message first telling group members to move over to the FB page? In case they haven't already.
11:52 phasefx mmorgan: if it's a rare thing, maybe place the hold for a staff account instead of the patron and put a note on the staff account (yuck)?
11:52 bshum kmlussier: I imagine that'd be helpful.  I was thinking that and also changing the group description to tell people to go to the new page.
11:52 jeff groups and pages have different purposes. why the sudden desire to 'delete' one?
11:55 dbs Also someone needs to update freshmeat.net to tell them that Evergreen is past 2.0.4 now. (at somepoint freshmeat.net became freecode.com, huh)
11:56 dbs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_(software) needs some updating too
11:56 rfrasur jeff: does the group get use?
11:57 Dyrcona dbs: [Citation needed.]
11:57 dbs http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/doku.​php?id=dev:evergreen:release_checklist - another checklist that kind of petered out
11:57 jeff_ I do not know. Perhaps that is the reason for the desire to delete.
11:57 rfrasur usually a group is for a specific purpose...and an inactive one generally denotes an inactive community...which isn't the case for Evergreen.  It may just be inactive in FB
11:58 dbs Dyrcona: actually, we managed to move past the "this page is in danger of being deleted" phase, so there's that
11:58 mmorgan phasefx: yeah, it is a rare thing, and we have a workaround that's a little messy. I was just hoping there was something I missed. Thanks!
11:59 * rfrasur would like to borrow bshum's box fan.
12:00 rfrasur @wunder 47346
12:00 pinesol_green rfrasur: The current temperature in Hagerstown, Hagerstown, Indiana is 87.3°F (11:59 AM EDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 73.4°F. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).  Heat advisory in effect until 9 PM EDT this evening...
12:07 hopkinsju reingest
12:07 hopkinsju ?
12:07 hopkinsju dbs: what were you saying about having to reingest bibs with 2.4.0/2.4.1?
12:09 bshum @wunder 06708
12:09 pinesol_green bshum: The current temperature in Town Plot, Waterbury, Connecticut is 94.1°F (12:06 PM EDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 80.6°F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling).  Excessive heat warning in effect until 8 PM EDT this evening...
12:09 pinesol_green [evergreen|Pasi Kallinen] Fix LP#1187402: Datafield contents turned undefined in Marc Editor after adding 006, 007 or 008 - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ad8f28f>
12:09 rfrasur hmm, bshum: you keep that box fan
12:09 kmlussier Let's see who can get the highest temp.
12:09 * rfrasur will suffer
12:09 bshum rfrasur: :)
12:09 kmlussier @wunder 02771
12:09 bshum I just got to my office and turned it on.
12:09 pinesol_green kmlussier: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Rumford RI US, Seekonk, Massachusetts is 93.0°F (11:48 AM EDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 75.2°F. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).  Excessive heat warning in effect until 7 PM EDT this evening...
12:09 rfrasur @wunder 47353
12:09 pinesol_green rfrasur: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Liberty IN US, Liberty, Indiana is 84.0°F (11:28 AM EDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 75.2°F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Steady).  Heat advisory in effect until 9 PM EDT this evening...
12:10 kmlussier The bank thermometer told me it was 100.
12:10 rfrasur I believe it.
12:10 Dyrcona @wunder 01845
12:10 pinesol_green Dyrcona: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 90.7°F (12:07 PM EDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 71.6°F. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010 hPa (Falling).  Excessive heat warning in effect until 7 PM EDT this evening...
12:11 rfrasur I'd totally skip work and go to the beach if we didn't have a budget committee meeting
12:11 * rfrasur shakes her fist at the heaven...damn you, responsibility!
12:12 * Dyrcona was tempted to work from home and hang out by/in the pool.
12:12 rfrasur and you didn't because...why?
12:12 phasefx mmorgan: do you allow blocked patrons to place holds in the first place?
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12:16 phasefx mmorgan: if not, you could change the penalties to disallow placement and allow capture, so effectively the only holds that would get captured were staff placed ones and ones that already existed at the time the patron became blocked
12:16 dbs hopkinsju: if you migrate to 2.4.0, without any of the follow-on work that went/will go into 2.4.1, then searching for strings with apostrophes will not work as expected. So you will have reingested all of your bibs for 2.4.0, then when you apply the 2.4.1 fix, you will have to reingest again
12:16 hopkinsju @wunder 65203
12:17 pinesol_green hopkinsju: The current temperature in Westwind Park Old Southwest, Columbia, Missouri is 89.2°F (11:13 AM CDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 71.6°F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
12:17 phasefx mmorgan: though allowing capture in general for blocked patrons may be a good ploy for getting the patron into the library to resolve the block
12:17 dbs Which is why I think when we know a release is pretty screwed up, we should flag it as such on the download page.
12:17 mmorgan phasefx: we did think about that, but we want to avoid patrons being notified of a hold only to come in and find they can't check it out
12:17 phasefx mmorgan: *nods*
12:18 hopkinsju dbs: Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't realize the apostrophe search fix included a reingest.
12:20 dbs hopkinsju: bug 1187433 contains the long and sordid tale, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ever​green/+bug/1187433/comments/19 is probably the most succint statement
12:20 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1187433 in Evergreen "apostrophe search issues in 2.4" (affected: 3, heat: 22) [High,Confirmed]
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12:28 paxed what's the best way to mangle xml? i'm looking into converting the translated marc21 format from the finnish national library into marc editor tooltips, but the xml is different...
12:30 paxed (different from the tooltip xml)
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12:33 rfrasur the best way is to put it in an editable document...and let a toddler play with the keyboard.
12:33 rfrasur that's all I got
12:34 * rfrasur defers to people who know what they're talking about.
12:35 Dyrcona paxed: Depends. xsltproc usually works for me.
12:42 Dyrcona rfrasur has suggested the best method of mangling any kind of data file.
12:42 Dyrcona rfrasur++
12:42 paxed as far as i'm concerned, xml comes premangled.
12:43 rfrasur ty...I was going to say let a library director touch the editable file...but I'm sure there are directors with competancies in xml
12:43 rfrasur and that can spell competancy/ies
12:50 dbs paxed: depends heavily on your preferred programming language )
12:51 * dbs likes xsltproc too
12:51 paxed yeah, i'm loooking into that.
12:51 paxed haven't done anything with xslt before, and i already like it better than perl...
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13:00 Dyrcona parts--
13:08 csharp @karma parts
13:08 pinesol_green csharp: Karma for "parts" has been increased 2 times and decreased 6 times for a total karma of -4.
13:11 jeff_ we have a number of patrons who have established holdshelf aliases starting with Z (or multiple leading letter Zs)
13:11 jeff_ this is done because it results in their holds always being closest to the door when the walk in. :-)
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13:18 bshum jeff_: Slick
13:27 rjackson-isl Having issues with courtesy notices (0 and 3 day) run by triggers
13:27 rjackson-isl twice in past week they have gone to collected but no further
13:27 rjackson-isl looked at log files but not seeing anything suspicious?
13:28 rjackson-isl when I grep for a specific trigger id or an circ id related al I see is the collected log entries
13:28 rjackson-isl last night and previous night ran fine...
13:29 rjackson-isl anyone have ideas on what to look for?
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13:43 ElliotFriend Can someone explain to me the difference (in the way that Evergreen works) between a "Shelving Location" (like I see in the OPAC) and a "Collection"?
13:44 Dyrcona ElliotFriend: They are the same thing, though you can do what you want.
13:45 ElliotFriend Dyrcona: So, the "Copy Locations Editor" could also be considered the "collection name editor"?
13:45 Dyrcona ElliotFriend: If you want. Most people use copy location to correspond to a physical collection in the library.
13:46 Dyrcona We're strange here, but we still carry a lot of legacy baggage.
13:46 csharp ElliotFriend: we also see confusion between "copy location" and "shelving location"
13:46 csharp they're the same thing too
13:47 ElliotFriend Thanks guys!
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13:48 ElliotFriend We've got a few small "collections" (dvd, cd, etc.) that share the same geographic vicinity (just a couple of shelves by the entrance, really). would it be best to consider them all as one "location" in evergreen or as individual locations?
13:48 rfrasur ElliotFriend: from experience, it'd be best to do individual locations
13:49 ElliotFriend rfrasur: That's what I've been thinking would work well. Thanks!
13:49 rfrasur there may be other experiences though
13:49 csharp individual locations allows for easier "batch" marking items non-holdable, non-circulating, or opac-invisible
13:50 rfrasur and inventory.
13:50 csharp like when you want to remove a library from usage for a while due to closures, etc.
13:50 * rfrasur says things about inventory
13:50 ElliotFriend Very true, and very important!
13:50 csharp "filth flarn flarn filth"
13:51 rfrasur csharp++
13:52 rfrasur (have I mentioned our "children's area" location that includes 5 or so major collections...that just happen to be in the children's room?)
13:52 * rfrasur grumbles
13:52 Dyrcona dbwells: Would the best way to reserve accommodations for the hackaway be to call?
14:02 rfrasur the brain power that I budgetted to do the budget has been completely spent.
14:02 * rfrasur may need to request an additional appropriation to cover the rest of this process.
14:03 Dyrcona not good. got disconnected while on hold.
14:03 Dyrcona phones--
14:03 rfrasur not good
14:04 paxed @hate xslt
14:04 pinesol_green paxed: The operation succeeded.  paxed hates xslt.
14:05 rfrasur the strange and awful feeling that you're not spending enough money
14:06 csharp paxed: heh - do you still like it better than perl? ;-)
14:06 paxed @hate perl
14:06 pinesol_green paxed: But paxed already hates perl!
14:06 paxed csharp: different kind of hate
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14:08 phasefx @loathe
14:08 pinesol_green phasefx: http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content.ph​p?theme=2&amp;music=6&amp;url=evergreen-ils.org
14:08 phasefx that's just wrong
14:08 rfrasur hah!
14:09 rfrasur "site created with notepad - the right way"
14:09 csharp @dunno help
14:09 pinesol_green csharp: Message root @ server God....Universe going down for reboot....
14:12 Dyrcona dbwells: Hekman Library Event.....
14:13 * csharp is trying to force the reporter to create sql with IS NULL OR in the WHERE clause
14:13 csharp specifically, we want items that have a null circ modifier or NOT IN (list of circ mods)
14:14 * rfrasur tries to make a joke up about reporters but falls short and gives up
14:21 ElliotFriend If I have a number of historical volumes from a specific journal/magazine/periodical (evergreen does have a record for the periodical), is there a way to show it in the OPAC without adding every issue as a copy?
14:22 rfrasur elliotfriend: do they circulate?
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14:24 * rfrasur likes each item to have its own item record
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14:25 ElliotFriend rfrasur: they don't circulate. we will definitely want to add the copies, eventually
14:27 ElliotFriend we're preparing to go from "yaaaay, all the books are in Evergreen!!" to "yaaay, we're actually using Evergreen to circulate, fine, etc.!!!"
14:27 ElliotFriend they just haven't gotten to adding each issue of the magazines, yet. they just have create records for each periodical we have
14:27 rfrasur I guess if you just want to show that you have the journal, you could add a volume and maybe one item (it's kinda frowned upon to add a volume with no items) and then go back and attach more items later.
14:28 ElliotFriend rfrasur: that's true, would definitely work!
14:28 rfrasur that's how we have our magazines anyway...we have one volume (generally using the ISSN) and then we're constantly adding/deleting items
14:29 rfrasur there are more elegant ways, I'm sure.
14:29 ElliotFriend In the MARC, each periodical has 092 and 535 set to "periodicals" (or something like that). Could we use that to force visibility?
14:30 rfrasur visibility, as far as I know, is defined (generally) in the item attributes.  So long as there's an item attached, it should show up (so long as that item is set to show up in the item attributes)
14:31 rfrasur I don't know that its a MARC thing so much
14:31 rfrasur We don't use 092 in our consortium (or necessarily 535)
14:31 rfrasur 092 is a local call number....which doesn't work for us.
14:33 ElliotFriend gotcha
14:42 paxed whew.
14:43 rfrasur does it work?
14:43 paxed yes. except controlfields use different xml, so i need to tackle those next.
14:43 rfrasur but....isn't it late there?
14:44 paxed about quarter to 10 in the evening.
14:44 rfrasur well, kinda late
14:44 * Dyrcona is all set for the Hackaway.
14:44 rfrasur Dyrcona++
14:44 Dyrcona paxed: Still daylight there?
14:47 paxed Dyrcona: yes. the sun set in about 45 mins.
14:47 paxed sets*
14:50 Dyrcona Our sunset will be at 20:17 EDT.
14:50 Dyrcona and, hey. we hit a record high temperature today.
14:51 rfrasur @wunder 47346
14:51 pinesol_green rfrasur: The current temperature in Hagerstown, Hagerstown, Indiana is 90.5°F (2:51 PM EDT on July 19, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 71.6°F. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Falling).  Heat advisory in effect until 9 PM EDT this evening...
14:51 rfrasur ours isn't so bad...not nice...but not bad
14:55 rfrasur do any of your communities/employers pay a living wage rather than a minimum wage?
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14:58 ldwhalen Can someone tell me the default install directory for the staff client on Windows XP and Windows 7?
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15:00 tsbere ldwhalen: Generally 32 bit program files, in a "Evergreen Staff Client" folder
15:00 tsbere (which on a 32 bit system is the only program files)
15:00 bshum eeevil++ # speedier bib browse :D
15:00 eeevil senator++ # writing the whole thing
15:00 bshum Yes, senator++
15:01 senator bshum++ helping with testing
15:01 ldwhalen tsbere: thank you
15:01 senator it's a circle of congratulation ;-)
15:01 csharp ldwhalen: <user home dir>\Application Data(or AppData)\(Roaming for Win7)\OpenILS is where the user profiles are stored
15:04 ldwhalen csharp: thank you.  Eventually, I will have a Windows install to look at these things, but the contents of my apartment are in a moving truck somewhere and have been for almost a month.  I hope, once I am settled that I will be more active on here and in the Evergreen community in general.
15:05 csharp ldwhalen++
15:05 bshum ldwhalen++
15:06 ElliotFriend rfrasur: would there be a way to add a volume/item to those periodicals in batch? a record bucket maybe?
15:10 rfrasur If you have a volume already.....you can add multiple items to it by selecting "add item to volume" (or whatever it says).  Generally, I do that in the item status screen or in holdings maintenance...
15:10 rfrasur and then just designate how many items you want to add to the volume...and then put in the appropriate info.
15:11 rfrasur then later on...if you want to do something to all of the items, you could use a copy bucket if you wanted....generally....sometimes.
15:11 rfrasur depends on what you want to do.
15:12 rfrasur I generally tend to not use buckets unless I'm doing a big delete....not an add.
15:16 ElliotFriend So we would probably need to individually/manually create (at least) one volume for each periodical?
15:17 Dyrcona ElliotFriend: You might want to ask on the General or cataloging mailing lists. You're likely to find a wider audience with more periodicals experience there.
15:17 ElliotFriend Dyrcona: Good call!
15:17 ElliotFriend What my mind keeps coming back to, is that it seems like we'll need to touch each periodical on its own. I'm trying to figure out how to avoid that...
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15:19 Dyrcona Oops. Wrong window had focus....
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15:24 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] Point feeds to TPAC instead of slimpac or JSPAC - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=5d19146>
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15:31 rfrasur it's not weather made for jeans...that's all I'm saying
15:34 rfrasur Dyrcona++
15:46 kmlussier eeevil++ indeed #speedy bib browse
15:49 rfrasur why would anyone want to snort caviar?  does that even make sense?
15:49 kmlussier ?
15:49 rfrasur http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/hc​-op-mcenroe-hartford-segarra-chief-kup​iec-leaves-20130712,0,1978336.column
15:50 Dyrcona I'm not sure the courant is real news. I think it might be a spoof site, similar to The Onion.
15:51 rfrasur it's just opinion anyway
15:51 kmlussier The article doesn't say anyone actually did that, though apparently it's in a song lyric - http://www.metrolyrics.com/fres​hmint-lyrics-regurgitator.html
15:52 rfrasur yeah.  apparently my nonsense radar is broken right now
15:54 paxed ha. data massage always reveals faulty data.
15:54 Dyrcona Evidently, the courant is a legitimate paper.
15:54 rfrasur yeah, for Hartford
15:54 * paxed emails the finnish national library
15:54 Dyrcona paxed: There is no data but bad data.
15:54 rfrasur (some dude...that lives in Indiana....purports to LOVE fantasy and sci fi...and has never heard of GenCon)
15:55 * tsbere has been known to ignore conventions due to a dislike of crowds
15:56 rfrasur yeah...so, Evergreen related.  We have some individual libraries in Indiana perking their ears up about the inventory module project
15:56 rfrasur tsbere: I don't like conventions either.  But GenCon....in Indiana...every year....
15:56 Dyrcona Yeah, but GenCon has traditionally been aimed at gamers, no?
15:57 rfrasur yeah, it is...but not only
15:57 rfrasur and it's old...and established...and this is Indiana.  There's NOTHING else going on (mild exaggeration....but only mild)
16:00 tsbere You would be amazed at the number of conventions I don't know about on the things I am interested in. Even local ones. ;)
16:00 rfrasur well....stop that.
16:00 paxed ohyeah. tooltips in Finnish work.
16:01 * tsbere tends to hear that someone is *at* a convention, and then 3 days later forget said convention exists, such is the power of his dislike of crowds
16:01 rfrasur heh - I like to read articles and look at pictures afterward.\
16:02 * rfrasur should have scheduled the budget meeting for 4 instead of 4:30
16:02 kmlussier rfrasur: Who schedules a meeting for 4:30 on a Friday?
16:03 tsbere someone hoping nobody will show up and they can bug out early?
16:03 kmlussier tsbere++
16:03 rfrasur well....I agreed to it in lieu of having it AFTER the executive session at 5:15
16:03 rfrasur and made the appropriate whatevers to get people here...because the alternative was awful
16:04 rfrasur library boards...that's who
16:06 * rfrasur wonders if you chop up wooden shelving from the nonfiction if those constitute library boards.
16:08 rfrasur the nonfiction section that is
16:09 jcamins rfrasur: do you at least have pizza at the meeting?
16:09 kmlussier And beer?
16:09 rfrasur that'd be a negatory...but it's okay.  I'm ordering a bunch of Dr. Who stuff for the 50th anniversary.
16:09 rfrasur and no beer...cuz it's against our by-laws (cuz our by-laws are barely any fun every)
16:09 rfrasur s/every/ever
16:10 jcamins kmlussier: it's a budget meeting. That's, like, a drinking game for people wearing suits.
16:10 * rfrasur is wearing jeans and sandals...to add class
16:10 kmlussier jcamins++
16:10 jcamins "Every time the comptroller says the word 'accrual,' everyone take a drink."
16:10 rfrasur jcamins++
16:11 rfrasur but it's not that intense of a budget meeting.  Just me saying "this is the growth quotient"  "we're doing this, this and that because of this, this and that" and "they need a raise"
16:12 jcamins rfrasur: okay... "everyone take a drink when when rfrasur asks for more money"?
16:12 jcamins s/when when/when/
16:12 rfrasur then I'll blind them with numbers and they'll ooo and ahh...and I'll go home and find pizza
16:13 rfrasur heh, I'll all for that.   Though I rarely ask for more money.  I just ask to move it around and reprioritize.  Budgets for tax funded agencies are a shell game.
16:14 * rfrasur ponders using the LIRF budget for Evergreen development instead of building improvements.
16:16 rfrasur we could sponsor swag
16:17 Dyrcona Beer for the developers!
16:17 rfrasur oooooo
16:17 rfrasur I don't think we can buy beer though.  We could probably buy doritos.
16:18 * rfrasur ponders if we COULD buy beer or not.
16:19 jboyer-isl You can be reimbursed for 1 drink at a work meeting. I don't know if you can call 1 keg 1 drink, but it is in a single container...
16:19 rfrasur huh
16:19 Dyrcona :)
16:20 rfrasur jboyer-isl: that's good to know.  I thought there was some teetotal policy somewhere (other than our by-laws)
16:20 jboyer-isl This loophole, by the way, would be why you see guys in suits drinking the flourescent margaritas at restaurants. No other reason to choke them down.
16:20 Phenol When Importing MARC Records from Unicorn, Whats the correct tool to use?
16:20 Dyrcona Phenol: A spade to dig a hole in the ground and bury them?
16:21 * rfrasur chuckles and goes to budget or...budge it....bud jet?
16:21 * rfrasur goes
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16:22 Phenol k thanks
16:22 linuxpoet Trying to compile opensrf and getting this error: /usr/local/src/opensrf-2.2.0/src​/libopensrf/.libs/libopensrf.so: undefined reference to `memcached_free'
16:22 linuxpoet opensrf configures fine
16:22 linuxpoet including finding libmemcache
16:22 linuxpoet any ideas?
16:22 Dyrcona Phenol: You probably want the tools under Open-ILS/src/extras/import/
16:22 Dyrcona linuxpoet: It can't find the memcached headers?
16:23 linuxpoet hrm
16:23 Dyrcona Or, no, that's a linker error.
16:23 linuxpoet Dyrcona: right
16:24 Dyrcona Phenol: I've generally found that MARC records are all unique little snowflakes and generic tools seldom work to import or export them to the cataloger's satisfaction, and I'm not being facetious.
16:27 phasefx linuxpoet: did you run Makefile.install for prereqs?
16:28 linuxpoet phasefx: not seeing a Makefile.install
16:29 Dyrcona src/extras/Makefile.install
16:29 * Dyrcona has those paths committed to muscle memory.....
16:30 Dyrcona You said it finds libmemcached...I wonder if configure is getting the proper linker options.
16:31 * phasefx is wondering if it's an unsupported platform with a way different version of memcached
16:36 linuxpoet Dyrcona: alright ran that, installed all the modules etc
16:36 linuxpoet still same error
16:37 linuxpoet phasefx: it is centos 5.9 but I am running libmemcache from /usr/local
16:37 linuxpoet because opensrf requires .8
16:37 Dyrcona Is it finding the libmemcached in /usr/local? Is there another version installed elsewhere?
16:38 linuxpoet yes it is finding it (else it won't compile), no I do not have any other libmemcache installed
16:39 Dyrcona Is that error happening at runtime or is that from build time?
16:39 linuxpoet Dyrcona: build time
16:40 linuxpoet I am using this to configure
16:40 linuxpoet PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH memcached_CFLAGS=/usr/local/include memcached_LIBS=/usr/local/lib ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
16:40 linuxpoet and this to make
16:40 linuxpoet PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH memcached_CFLAGS=/usr/local/include memcached_LIBS=/usr/local/lib make
16:41 linuxpoet ldconfig -vv|grep mem shows:      libmemcached.so.9 -> libmemcached.so.9.0.0
16:41 linuxpoet libmemcachedutil.so.2 -> libmemcachedutil.so.2.0.0
16:41 linuxpoet libmemcachedprotocol.so.0 -> libmemcachedprotocol.so.0.0.0
16:43 Dyrcona linuxpoet: Try just CFLAGS="-I /usr/local/include" LDFLAGS="-L /usr/local/lib"
16:44 linuxpoet Dyrcona: for compiling or for configuring
16:45 Dyrcona For compiling. It might work when configuring too.
16:45 Dyrcona kmlussier: I installed eeevil's patch for the bib auth browse speed up on my development vm just now if you want to try it.
16:46 linuxpoet Dyrcona: stupid question but just to make sure, opensrf is 64bit safe right?
16:46 linuxpoet same error
16:46 kmlussier Dyrcona++ #reading my mind
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16:47 Dyrcona linuxpoet: Not sure then. It's a generic linker error and I've never had problems linking opensrf. I'd say trouble shoot it the way you would any linker problem.
16:50 kmlussier Dyrcona: Are you doing other work on your server that would make it unwise for me to use the staff client right now?
16:50 Dyrcona kmlussier: No, go ahead. Everything should be up and running.
16:51 kmlussier Dyrcona: I'm having trouble bring up various circ screens, patron search, check out. But not something that anyone needs to worry about this late on a Friday afternoon.
16:54 Dyrcona kmlussier: Ok. I'll look at it next week.
16:54 linuxpoet Dyrcona: adding -lmemcached make that part go away now moving on to next error
16:57 Dyrcona linuxpoet: Ah... so configure is actually not finding the right options for memcached.
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17:06 Dyrcona kmlussier: I'm having no trouble with patron search or check out, but I'm on the LAN with the server.
17:07 kmlussier Oops. I didn't actually exit all the way out and log back in, and it looks like I need to update my client. I'll do that and let you know if it's still giving me trouble.
17:08 kmlussier Dyrcona: My bad. Working for me now.
17:08 Dyrcona Ok.
17:19 remingtron @later tell RoganH: I found a new bug tracker for EG. It includes incentives for older bugs. https://habitrpg.com/
17:19 pinesol_green remingtron: The operation succeeded.
17:24 bshum remingtron++
17:48 * kmlussier 's productivity now takes a nosedive as she plays with HabitRPG.
18:08 bshum Heh
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