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Results for 2016-05-31

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10:16 Dyrcona Doing a build from git this morning and I'm being asked which version of Angular.JS to install.
10:16 Dyrcona I got similar results when testing the make_release script yesterday.
10:16 Dyrcona I wonder if we should update the README?
10:17 Dyrcona Hmm.... Wonder what happens if I install from a tarball. I should test that.
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10:57 jeff And different versions do different things...
10:57 jeff etc.
10:57 Dyrcona yep.
10:57 jeff I started writing some general SIP2 live tests over the weekend.
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11:02 Dyrcona bower resolution    Unsuitable resolution declared for angular: 1.5.5
11:02 Dyrcona 'Cause 1.5.6 is all it can apparently find.
12:31 csharp G7, I think
12:31 csharp purchased in 2011
12:31 JBoyer Ours are G5. They need to be cranked to start and have walkers.
12:31 csharp heh
12:31 csharp I have a couple of G5s as test servers
12:38 JBoyer So, I have one machine with a normalized load of 1+ (1 min load => # of CPUs) and the top 2 processes by CPU use are apache. pid 24110 has 2 connections to memcache and 2 connections to beam.smp (ejabberd) (which is of course, connected to everything.)
12:40 JBoyer Oh yes, and no connections to the outside world. just those 4: 2 internal to ejabberd, 2 to the memcache server.
12:41 JBoyer It's super fun to try to figure out.
12:47 tsbere When I see ejabberd disconnects the things that are no longer connected seem to get stuck in a "is there anything to get? No? repeat" loop
12:47 JBoyer Well, that is to say I certainly don't remember a lot of those errors, but I'll be damned if there aren't plenty now. That's spectacular.
12:47 tsbere Until an *outgoing* message is attempted they don't notice
12:48 * Dyrcona did a test upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04 in 2014, but doesn't remember what issues (if any) cropped up.
12:49 JBoyer I'm wondering if it's a combination of Eg 2.9 and our VM setup. We don't get near running out of memory, which is what I would wonder about first. :(
12:49 Dyrcona JBoyer: You said you upgraded both the O/S and Evergreen/OpenSRF at the same time?
12:50 jeff semi-related: i have a test instance (pretty much self-contained) where depending on which apache child my incoming connection hits, i get dead air.
12:50 jeff i have a (not very helpful) strace. the test instance sits idle for long times.
12:50 JBoyer Yes. Minimal downtime and all of that. I've made better decisions.
12:51 Dyrcona jeff: I saw something like that this morning after a fresh install, but without running autogen.sh.
12:51 Dyrcona After running autogen.sh, Apache and the OPAC seemed happy.
12:58 Dyrcona Um, that's a complete call to select, minus the closing paren, and it basically does nothing, but possibly hang.
12:58 Dyrcona I seem to recall issues with ejabberd after a 12.04 to 14.04 upgrade, but I could be mistaken.
12:59 JBoyer strace normally includes the closing paren, that's why I assumed it was partial.
12:59 Dyrcona JBoyer: If you have a way of testing on a single brick, you could try removing ejabberd and reinstalling it.
13:02 JBoyer Dyrcona I can test a single machine, but the trouble is I can't trigger it on demand.
13:03 Dyrcona JBoyer: Well, I think that select() call is your problem.
13:03 Dyrcona You would never want to call it that way.
13:03 Dyrcona If you set the first arg to zero, and the next 3 to NULL, you definitely want something in the final argument.
13:10 JBoyer No more reliable than these things are being, I can just blow one away and rebuild it to see what happens later. If it never freaks out I can go through a larger swath of them later.
13:13 tsbere Dyrcona: There was a short period of time with a bad compile, but nobody should be seeing it now
13:14 Dyrcona tsbere: OK
13:28 jeff stupid reporting tricks: mailing address labels that print each morning if there were any "limited juvenile" patrons created yesterday.
13:28 jeff did you get a pdf? print it on avery XXXX stock and drop those letters in the mail!
13:29 jeff (letters have no customized data in them, or we'd be printing them as well as part of the report or a sibling report)
13:29 jeff i was just pleased that the labels aligned correctly once we got beyond the test period and got beyond one single patron.
13:30 jeff (we now let patrons get a card without parent being present, but it's a limited card until their parent or guardian comes in to sign off on it)
13:30 jeff limited to 3 items out at once.
13:30 terran jeff++
13:31 jeff and since these are still less frequently than "daily", if there were no Limited Juvenile patrons created the day before, there's no pdf sent via email.
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16:25 berick wondering what authority.record_entry.source is supposed to be used for.  reserved for a not yet existing config.authority_source table?
16:28 * jeff tests receipt printing with Hatch
16:29 jeff huh. had to manually set margins in eg.print
16:31 jeff no margin options in Windows print dialog spawned by hatch, and the paper type/size shown in the json sticks to Letter no matter how many times I select the "72mm x Receipt" option
16:42 jeff in other apps, margins appear to be a distinct dialog.
16:42 jeff hrm.
16:45 Bmagic Has anyone changed from prefork to event on apache 2.4 ?
16:56 berick jeff: my hope is to one day kill the java print dialog and just capture the values we want directly in a web app form.
16:57 tsbere berick: And what happens when someone wants to set a print driver specific option?

Results for 2016-05-27

09:18 JBoyer Depends on how far down the in-joke rabbit hole we want to take our swag, I suppose. :D
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09:24 jeff There may come a day when I find and fix a bug without tripping over additional bugs, but today is not that day.
09:25 bos20k Hello. I am working on a test server where I basically installed the same version of Evergreen 2.9 over itself again after upgrading Ubuntu.  Now I am getting an internal server error and seeing this in the Apache log:
09:25 bos20k May 27 09:22:17 maul apache2[1268]: [perl:error] [pid 1268] [client 10.1.99.151:51245] egweb: Context Loader error: Can't locate object method "search_asset_copy_location_group" via package "OpenILS::Utils::CStoreEditor" at /usr/local/share/perl/5.18.2/O​penILS/WWW/EGCatLoader/Util.pm line 648.\n
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09:26 bos20k Any ideas?  I was looking at the Perl modules and I am not seeing a problem compared to a production machine that is working.
09:27 jeff bos20k: my immediate suspicion is that your fm_IDL.xml file is invalid.
09:29 jeff if you don't have xmllint installed, you can install it with: apt-get install libxml2-utils
09:30 jeff then you can check to see that your fm_IDL.xml file is valid XML:
09:34 jeff * open-ils.booking         is not running
09:34 bos20k jeff: no errors there
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09:35 jeff (booking was just a sacrificial service on a handy test system to get the output samples -- don't focus on that service in particular)
09:35 bos20k all seem to be running
09:36 Dyrcona booking isn't required anyway, unless you're using it.
09:36 bos20k just got another error on the console where I started things:
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10:31 phasefx Bmagic: in webby, it's much different
10:31 Bmagic gotcha, so, the dev server you are hacking on with the web client, has changes to the xul client menu order?
10:31 jeff Can't locate diagnotics.pm in @INC (you may need to install the diagnotics module) (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.20.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.20.2 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.20 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.20 /usr/share/perl/5.20 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at test.pl line 4.
10:32 jeff alas, the "use diagnostics" pragma can't help with this error.
10:35 Dyrcona In Soviet Webby, menu adds you!
10:36 bshum Dyrcona++ # haha :)
10:36 phasefx Bmagic: no, no changes to the xul client menu order anywhere that I'm aware of.  Just that the web-based staff client equivalent is way different
12:01 jeff Is anyone here presently aware of anyone making use of the (unfortunately spelled) patron_calculate_recal_ok SIP option?
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12:09 jeff oh, right -- found bug 1093883
12:10 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1093883 in Evergreen "SIP recall_ok test always returns false" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1093883
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13:24 Dyrcona jeff: Is it causing you an issue, or are you just curious?
13:25 Dyrcona @weather 01845
13:25 pinesol_green Dyrcona: North Andover, MA :: Clear :: 78F/26C | Friday: Mostly sunny. High 82F. Winds SSE at 5 to 10 mph. Friday Night: Partly cloudy. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. Low around 65F. Winds SSW at 5 to 10 mph.
13:26 kmlussier miker / gmcharlt: If the issue I found while testing 1549505 is unrelated to the activity metric code, should it be posted in a separate branch so that it can be backported?
13:27 miker kmlussier: we could create a separate patch for backporting, but the patch in that branch does touch code that is also touched by activity metric
13:27 gmcharlt what mike said
13:28 kmlussier OK, thanks! I'm going to try out the new branch now.
13:28 gmcharlt in particular, the DB update can't just be cherry-picked
13:46 jeff Dyrcona: no issue, the spelling caught my eye and I was curious about the use case. The bug answered my questions.
13:47 Dyrcona jeff: Cool. I was just curious.
13:59 jeff i pulled at one too many SIP threads and now I find myself on the phone with a vendor asking them questions about their product's changed behavior
14:09 jeff they had no answers for me. i tought them a few things. i devised my own theory and test plan.
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14:22 kmlussier Dyrcona: I just stumbled across this comment while preparing for Bug Squashing Day. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ever​green/+bug/1501781/comments/38
14:22 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1501781 in Evergreen "Patron name search should be diacritic-insensitive" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Terran McCanna (tmccanna)
14:24 Dyrcona Also, I want to experiment with using Text::Unaccent::PurePerl because I think it does something that the database solution does not.
14:24 kmlussier Dyrcona: For that particular bug, I didn't see any dissenting opinions on it being a new feature. So I think we're good there.
14:24 Dyrcona I just haven't found time to look into it.
14:24 kmlussier Dyrcona: Are you saying we should hold off on testing it?
14:26 Dyrcona kmlussier: Go ahead and test it. What I see is the unaccent Pg extension doesn't actually unaccent Greek or Cyrillic characters, but I think Text::Unaccent::PurePerl does unaccent Greek.
14:26 Dyrcona I was thinking of running the Perl tests using Text::Unaccent::PurePerl just to see what output we get.
14:27 Dyrcona gmcharlt shared something from Github that, IIRC, updates the unaccent database extension so it handles Greek characters.
14:28 Dyrcona I guess if anyone wants to, they can remove the pullrequest tag. I won't be disappointed. I can't speak for dpearl.
14:29 Dyrcona I'm OK with it as it is, is what I'm saying.
14:32 Dyrcona I intended to look at during or just after the conference.
14:33 kmlussier Dyrcona: Yup. I know how it is.
14:33 * kmlussier stares at the remaining to-do list items for things that were supposed to be done by the end of today.
14:33 terran I signed up to test it for bug squashing day, but I can hold off if there's not a concensus
14:37 terran oh wait, I'm not sure I really understand enough of the implications to fully test anyhow
14:39 * terran realizes she can't spell consensus, either
14:39 Dyrcona Well, basically, if you have a patron with diacritics in the name, you can't find them unless you enter diacritics in the search.
14:40 kmlussier terran: Ha ha ha. IMO, it improves the software, so is fair game for testing.
14:40 Dyrcona The point of patch is to strip the diacritics when searching.
14:40 Dyrcona Basically, so something like Frederick matches Frédérick.
14:41 * Dyrcona seems to be omitting random articles in his typing today.
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14:42 * Dyrcona triple checks his script to run for this weekend's patch update for typos.
14:43 terran I'll keep my name on there for testing then, but everyone else feel free to jump in :)
14:46 terran If it can solve the problem of odd spacing and apostrophes in names, then it will be hugely useful for us in Georgia.
14:46 kmlussier terran: And hugely useful for us everywhere else too! :)
14:48 Dyrcona I'm not sure it does anything with apostrophes or odd spacing. I'd have to look again.
14:48 terran I haven't looked at the code - just based that on the initial report
15:24 jeff I'd like to start using SIP2 AF messages for more things (we use them for a friendly "we need to update your information, please come to the desk" for expired patrons), but it appears that our self checkout kiosks no longer display the patron screen messages when the patron scans their card.
15:24 jeff Best I can do it get them to appear on some receipts, and to appear if you've failed to auth with a pin.
15:24 jeff (and probably on success when using a pin, but also not helpful)
15:36 Stompro Interesting, our audit tables were never cleared out after our test loads, so they contain unrelated records with the same id numbers.  I wonder if that is an issue?
15:36 kmlussier gmcharlt: I see you've been assigned to bug 1437103 for a while. Are you still working on that one?
15:36 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1437103 in Evergreen "unexpected popup dialogs appear at checkin" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437103 - Assigned to Galen Charlton (gmc)
15:36 * kmlussier also wonders if she should remove the pullrequest tag on it.
16:14 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1576435 in Evergreen 2.9 "Force "Include inactive patrons?" on patron reg duplicate search" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1576435
16:15 Stompro They seem to be mostly harmless cold air funnels, nothing too big.
16:15 Stompro http://media.graytvinc.com/images/492*350/F​unnel+cloud+South+Moorhead+May+27+2016.jpg
16:16 kmlussier jeffdavis: For testing on Bug Squashing Day. We haven't set up the Sandboxes yet, so we'll be able to grab the new commit.
16:17 jeffdavis kmlussier: ah, perfect, I had hoped to test as part of Bug Squashing Day - I'll update the ticket
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16:44 terran Stompro: "harmless"?
16:44 terran Stompro: Be safe and good luck!
16:45 Stompro terran, so far, they are just like big dust devils with no energy behind them, even when they touch down they don't do any damage.
16:47 terran I'm tornado-shy after living in Florida for 8 years. One smashed pieces of small aircraft through the ciner block walls of a library I worked at - fortunately, it was Christmas day, the only time campus was empty
16:47 Stompro They just gave the all clear, tornado warning lapsed. Yeah!!
16:47 terran Phew!
16:50 terran jeffdavis: to rephrase - I can send you the sandbox info once it's set up so that you can test your fixes on the web client too
16:53 jeffdavis terran: sure, that would be great, thanks
18:05 kmlussier Have a nice weekend #evergreen!
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Results for 2016-05-26

12:52 Bmagic_ hmm, yeah, I figured it was bots but somehow we need to keep it from affecting the consortium
12:54 Dyrcona We haven't had much trouble with bots lately, particularly since we split to a public and staff brick.
12:55 Dyrcona The few times that Apache really goes nuts, it seems someone has dropped something on their keyboard.
12:55 Dyrcona And, I chose the 120 number after lots of log diving and some testing.
12:56 Dyrcona With our hardware configuration, even if we set to 150, 120 is about where performance really tanks.
12:56 Dyrcona Like, "No, I'm not replying to your request for 5 minutes," kind of tanks.
12:57 Dyrcona We typically don't exceed 100 at any given time anyway.
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13:24 jeff well that's interesting. on a test VM that is often dormant for long periods of time, i have at least one apache process that doesn't serve requests.
13:24 jeff if a request hits that child, the browser just sits until it times out.
13:28 jeff sanity check: new feature merged to master in Feb of this year, I've found a bug in it. The feature has been included in a release of Evergreen. Sounds like the bug and fix is a new ticket, not a re-open of the original ticket. Am I correct?
13:29 kmlussier jeff: Yes
13:29 berick i'd say new ticket
13:29 jeff thanks! kmlussier++ berick++
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16:26 * jeff prepares to run live tests
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16:27 Stompro jeff - catching up, we are planning on moving to 2.10 by the end of june.
16:27 jeff Stompro: great!
16:32 ssieb ok, got it
16:32 jeff org unit changes are one of those things that require an autogen.sh run after you've made the changes.
16:33 ssieb ok, I'm just experimenting with the sample data before I reset it and put real data in
16:33 jeff good luck, and enjoy!
16:37 * jeff runs live tests
16:38 Dyrcona jeff: Did you add any new tests, or you are just sanity checking?
16:39 Stompro Is there any way to hide age protected items in the catalog, sort of like how 856 resources can be hidden?  So users with a preferred lib/home lib that cannot request those items cannot see them?
16:40 Dyrcona Stompro: I don't think so.
16:42 ssieb I'm trying to set this up for a single school.  The one important thing they need to do is print a list of all the checked out items at the end of the year.  However, I don't see any way of getting that information from the staff client.
16:44 kmlussier ssieb: Evergreen is big, but there are other single libraries that use it. There is also Koha, which is another open-source library system.
16:44 kmlussier But jeff typed faster than me
16:45 ssieb That was the other one I found, but this one used postgresql and Koha didn't seem obviously better in any way. :-)
16:45 jeff Dyrcona: I am adding new tests supporting the fixes that I'm working on for a SIP-related issue with csp ignore_proximity
16:46 jeff Dyrcona: Since it's something mostly unrelated to standing penalty ignore_proximity that broke, but that thing was not covered by tests and therefore was overlooked, I think I might just write a set of basic SIP tests.
16:46 Stompro ssieb, how about a hosted service like librarything tinycat... I have no idea what it costs though.  http://www.librarything.com/wiki/index.php/Usin​g_LibraryThing_as_an_Integrated_Library_System
16:46 ssieb jeff: what's the "staff client reporter"?  Do you have any suggestions for a reporting tool?
16:47 Dyrcona jeff: Did I break something in SIP with that feature?
17:01 terran Speaking of reports, I finally got around to creating a launchpad for Quick Reports... hopefully I set it up right: https://bugs.launchpad.net/egquickreports
17:04 jeff terran++
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17:06 terran bmills++ for installing, testing, and bug-reporting :D
17:07 Dyrcona Oh, well. Look at the time!
17:07 Dyrcona Catch you all later.
17:08 bmills terran++

Results for 2016-05-25

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12:43 mmorgan kmlussier: The calendar looks nice! But I noticed something on our test system. I enter "1/1/80" for a birthdate and webby sees it as 1/1/2080. The xul client sees it as 1/1/1980. We don't have the date format ou setting set.
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12:45 mmorgan Do you see the same thing?
12:45 kmlussier 1/1/2080 sounds like a perfectly reasonable birthdate. ;)
12:45 mmorgan Sure! We do like to start 'em early :)
12:45 kmlussier I don't know. I didn't try manually entering dates yet. I was using a widget in a box where I quickly wanted to get to today's date, and I was happy to see there was a quick way to jump to today.

Results for 2016-05-24

00:24 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1447746: Fix lp957466_update_date_and_source regression test - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8ab6306>
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01:28 bshum gmcharlt: I put together branches for the two things to fix for Debian and OpenSRF master, but just realized they'll probably have a minor conflict with each other.  Simple enough to resolve whichever one we push in first.
01:29 bshum I'll test Wheezy later, but Jessie installs all the pre-req's happily with the combined branch content.
01:29 * bshum tries to sleep
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05:00 pinesol_green News from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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07:42 bshum Test success! Yes! :)
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08:30 csharp @test
08:30 pinesol_green csharp: As great as you are man, you'll never be greater than yourself.
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13:26 * Dyrcona noticed something building the 2.9.5 tarball that just might be relevant.
13:27 Dyrcona Complained that I didn't have libbzip2 installed, but that code should get rebuilt when you build from the tarball, so I'm not sure it matters.
13:27 jeffdavis Dyrcona: in my case, 2.8.1 -> 2.10.2
13:27 jeffdavis I didn't notice any errors while building the updates, perhaps I missed something though
13:27 jeffdavis autoupdate worked fine during testing
13:28 Dyrcona jeffdavis: I didn't notice anything when testing the tarball and I was looking for it.
13:28 Dyrcona I don't test autoupdates though.
13:28 jeffdavis oh and we install from git, not from official release tarballs
13:28 Dyrcona Bascially, just build from the tarball, log in with the staff client, and make sure a few things work.
13:29 Dyrcona jeffdavis: OK, then.
13:48 kmlussier Or two people's opinion
13:48 Dyrcona OK. I don't have a problem with that.
13:55 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1584801: fix tagging of previous circs in metarecord search results - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=7a4551e>
14:04 berick @love digging around in Open-ILS/src/support-scripts/test-scripts and finding a 7 year old script that does exactly what I needed.
14:04 pinesol_green berick: The operation succeeded.  berick loves digging around in Open-ILS/src/support-scripts/test-scripts and finding a 7 year old script that does exactly what I needed..
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14:17 kmlussier gmcharlt: Thanks for adding that link. I spent some time Googling yesterday and found lots of UX articles regarding column sorting, but none of them talked about the third, click option.
14:19 kmlussier It did leave me to the discovery, though, that the triangles used to illustrate sort order in Thunderbird work the opposite of almost every other web-based soring table I've seen.
16:03 * dbs also musing about possibilities for using service worker threads to intelligently cache network requests, etc
16:03 dbs Just need unlimited times
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16:41 kmlussier mmorgan just pointed out a problem on webby that we don't see on demo.evergreencatalog.com. I wonder if it's another issue with the new AngularJS.
16:41 kmlussier The input boxes in the copy editor for adding volume and barcode info appear to be missing. See http://www.screencast.com/t/YDGf3MHdwvl
16:42 kmlussier I don't have another test server to compare it against. Is anyone else seeing the same thing
16:42 kmlussier ?
16:56 berick kmlussier: meaning there should be inputs below Owning Library, Volumes, Classification, etc?
16:56 kmlussier berick: Yeah
16:57 berick k.  i'm seeing the same as you running master on my local dev VM

Results for 2016-05-23

11:21 yboston http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku​.php?id=community:irc-quick-start
11:21 terran yboston++
11:21 Stareagle yboston++
11:21 dluch yboston: did you get my private message test?
11:21 krvmga hopkinsju: ??
11:21 yboston Stareagle: yes, if doen corerctly you and your recipient should be the only ones
11:21 hopkinsju I'm convinced that this whole "IRC Practice" session is just a scheme for yboston to get more karma

Results for 2016-05-20

00:02 bshum Oh that's odd
00:03 bshum Why'd I think it was only 200000, the README clearly says 2000000 :(
00:03 * bshum is having one of those nights
00:03 bshum Nevermind then, all is right in the world, except that bshum can't read clearly anymore
00:11 bshum I decided to just do a signoff branch instead of committing, better safer when someone else double-checks it again tomorrow.  And maybe test it with Debian versions too.
00:11 * bshum calls that a good night
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09:47 Dyrcona It was possibly installed after.
09:47 Dyrcona I am root or I would not have made it that far. :)
09:48 Dyrcona Looking at what it was doing, it may not be important.
09:48 Dyrcona I'm building on a concerto vm so I can test one of my own patches real quick.
09:49 Dyrcona I was going to test berick's angular fixes a bit later.
09:51 Dyrcona I'll probably just use concerto today, since I don't feel like waiting on reingests, etc. on a copy of production.
09:53 Dyrcona bshum: You're right about trusty not activating mod_perl any more.
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09:55 Dyrcona Well, opensrf and opensrf.math add work.
09:55 Dyrcona Now to install and test Evergreen.
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13:29 * jeff reads pingest.pl to determine if --skip-browse --skip-search --skip-facets is essentially a attrs-only reingest
13:31 jeff looks like "yes"
13:33 Dyrcona It is.
14:04 kmlussier So, for the purposes of posting the fix to the lp957466_update_date_and_source.pg test, should I re-open bug 1447746, which broke the test, or should I open a new bug?
14:04 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1447746 in Evergreen "Do not update bib source on match-only merge" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1447746
14:09 * kmlussier decides to re-open the old bug.
14:09 Dyrcona kmlussier: bshum has been reopening old bugs for such things. I tend to open a new bug.
14:51 Dyrcona Starting services, all seems well.
14:54 Dyrcona It seems to work. I can log in with the web staff client and look up patrons.
14:55 Dyrcona And, that was all I really wanted to do.
14:55 * Dyrcona was testing berick's angular fix on trusty and on xenial.
14:56 Dyrcona I asked in #ubuntu-virt, but I don't expect any answers.
14:56 * Dyrcona always has the special problems.
15:00 * Dyrcona is going to push the fixes to master. They work AFAICT.
16:05 Dyrcona bshum++ berick++
16:05 Dyrcona @dessert
16:05 * pinesol_green grabs some Krispy Kreme Donuts for Dyrcona
16:06 bshum Now if we can test and merge kmlussier's fix for the pgtap tests then maybe we'll get a live test success again!
16:06 bshum Weekend project, whee!
16:07 kmlussier I like pumpkin pie too, but I've mostly been looking for chocolate today.
16:08 kmlussier pinesol_green has been holding out on me.
16:08 pinesol_green kmlussier: What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
16:12 berick @eightball is pinesol_green a bot?
16:12 pinesol_green berick: _I_ don't know.
16:12 bshum Spooky.....
16:13 berick pinesol_green just passed the Turing test
16:13 pinesol_green berick: Thank you berick! But our princess is in another castle!
16:13 pinesol_green berick: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
16:17 csharp @blame [quote random]
17:52 dbwells jeff: Our initial ingest after the 2.9 upgrade in December was nice and fast.  Recent partial re-ingest (still on 2.9) was dramatically slower.  Haven't had time to look into it any further, but glad to think we might not be alone.
17:54 jeff dbwells: any point release upgrades between those two ingests?
17:55 jeff dbwells: and what kind of partial re-ingest were you dealing with?
17:56 dbwells jeff: I don't think so for point upgrades.  More likely a point upgrade for Postgres than for EG, if anything.
17:58 dbwells jeff: It was just a full reingest of a few hundred records, but slow enough to notice.  I've really just been ignoring it and hoping my testing was off that day for some other reason.
17:59 jeff heh
18:00 jeff it looks like with the help of pingest i can do a record-attrs-only ingest of ~400k records in 6 hours (16 pingest children)
18:00 jeff extrapolating from 2000 records in 100 record batches with 4 and 16 children.
18:12 jeff dbwells: I don't know what might explain what you encountered in 2.9, but I suspect the speed difference I'm seeing is mostly due to the additions that 0967 makes to config.marc21_ff_pos_map, config.record_attr_definition, config.coded_value_map, and config.composite_attr_entry_definition
18:14 jeff as part of bug 1371647
18:14 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1371647 in Evergreen "config.marc21_ff_pos_map needs an audit" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1371647
18:16 dbwells I am perfectly willing to believe my testing was a fluke of some kind, though not looking forward to things getting even slower, if that's the case.
18:21 jeff those four tables gained:
18:21 jeff 128, 782, 2610, and 105 rows
18:22 jeff so yeah, I think it's reasonable to expect that to impact speed of ingest.
20:18 jeffdavis1 jeff: I'm not aware of anyone else on 2.10 yet
20:18 jeffdavis1 although I could easily have missed someone
20:18 jeff Apparently I was overly optimistic about someone else having already gone first by now when I picked this date back in March or April. :-)
20:18 jeffdavis1 fwiw things have gone really smoothly in our testing, so I'm cautiously optimistic
20:19 jeff excellent.
20:20 jeffdavis1 you're on PG 9.4 as well, right?
20:20 jeff correct.
20:22 jeff Is your upgrade window duration mostly to ensure that you have enough time for the ingest to fully complete before the system's back under production load, or are you anticipating other bits to take a lot of time also?
20:22 jeff (or rolling other things into the downtime, like hardware upgrades/etc)
20:25 jeffdavis1 it's mostly to give time for testing before we go live
20:25 jeff got it.
20:26 jeff multiple reasons for asking: curiosity / comparing notes, as we're upgrading this weekend also
20:26 jeff but also, i'm thinking about ways overall to make upgrades less painful.

Results for 2016-05-19

15:07 tspindler au revoir
15:08 afterl bye!
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15:08 kmlussier phasefx: I'll take another look at bug 957466. I ran the tests before merging the code, and I swear they completed successfully at the time.
15:08 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 957466 in Evergreen "overlaying a record from vandelay does not update editor/edit_date" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/957466
15:09 kmlussier phasefx: Oh, wait. That's not the same test, is it?
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15:09 phasefx kmlussier: nope!
15:10 kmlussier kmlussier-- #Not running ALL the tests
15:11 phasefx phasefx-- not fixing the RSS feed
15:11 kmlussier Today might be a good day to learn how to modify tests. Too bad I have a conference call.
15:12 Dyrcona kmlussier: Something new is breaking the tests on something old.
15:12 bshum phasefx: Nah, it's not your fault.  I was noticing that too :(
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15:13 kmlussier Dyrcona: Yeah, I know. It's the code I merged.
15:20 * kmlussier will take a look at it shortly.
15:29 jeff Evergreen docs recommend that you create and use a PostgreSQL super user -- but are there any things that we currently do in Evergreen that require a superuser?
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15:30 gmcharlt jeff: gut reaction - nothing that we couldn't do with a more limited user; just a matter of taking the time to iterate testing and tweaking permissions
15:30 * jeff nods
15:31 jeff roles and ownership become more important, eg_db_config and database upgrade scripts might still require running as a superuser or database owner or otherwise elevated role...
16:05 * mmorgan will master sharing google docs one day :-/
16:21 JBoyer No, syslog. I use a different format specifier for the database logs to keep pgbadger happy. It doesn't like the date format we use in the example rsyslog config.
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16:22 jeff any particular reason for opting to use syslog, or was it just a matter of already having that infrastructure in place already and not wanting to ship something else around for pgbadger?
16:24 kmlussier mmorgan: Looking at your screenshots. Were you searching the same branch in each test and, if logged in, logged in as the same user with the same preferred search library set?
16:26 mmorgan kmlussier: I was not logged in at all. Searching the whole consortium, no preferred library.
16:28 kmlussier Huh...I like the after shot better. It seems odd that the first screenshot breaks up the Beverly Main branch the way it does. I wouldn't have expected it to behave that way.
16:28 mmorgan I didn't either. I agree the after shot looks better.
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21:39 bshum rhamby++
21:39 bshum For the mac client build :)
22:08 bshum berick++ # latest patches look good, xenial looks good, I'm testing trusty next
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23:31 bshum Well isn't that interesting...
23:31 bshum Fresh OpenSRF/Evergreen install on Ubuntu Trusty (14.04) and it dies cause mod perl isn't enabled for apache
23:32 bshum We might need http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=wor​king/OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=032a964​795df73053d09dca37e62e3e276ce343e for Trusty too
23:32 pinesol_green bshum: [opensrf|Jason Stephenson] LP#1551090: Enable mod_perl2 on Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus). - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p​=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=032a964>
23:32 bshum They must be changing something with apache 2.4 somewhere.... hmm
23:51 * bshum will wait to merge cause he's seeing oddness with his 14.04 VMs

Results for 2016-05-18

09:48 tsbere kmlussier: "Re-use"? ;)
09:59 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] Docs: Adding 2.9.5 Release Notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6aeaffe>
10:01 Dyrcona kmlussier++
10:05 Dyrcona So, looks like the db upgrade script will not really do anything but bump versions. But since I have a 2.9.4 concerto db hanging around, I'll test the upgrade first.
10:23 Dyrcona Um. I thought the make_release script would make an upgrade script even if it did nothing.
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21:12 bshum Hmm, well Open-ILS/src/sql/Pg/t/regress/lp​957466_update_date_and_source.pg is failing on live
21:12 bshum http://testing.evergreen-i​ls.org/~live/test.21.html
21:12 bshum I assume it's cause of some change to vandelay recently
21:21 bshum https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1447746
21:21 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1447746 in Evergreen "Do not update bib source on match-only merge" [Wishlist,Fix committed]
21:21 bshum Probably that one
21:22 bshum Maybe something else, but that seems likely to have shifted something

Results for 2016-05-17

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12:05 jeff though the mac 2.10 client there uses a build id of 2_10_2_sitka_0 so it is likely unsuitable for general use.
12:06 bshum jeff: Is the 2.8 like that too?
12:06 jeff dunno. didn't test.
12:06 * bshum doesn't have a Mac to peek
12:07 jeff "easy" enough to rebuild the app with a new gut / build id.
12:07 bshum True :)
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15:37 kmlussier rfrasur: Wake up!
15:37 rfrasur meh.  I don't want to.  I'm afraid if I do, I'll see more spreadsheets.
15:38 * tsbere considers emailing rfrasur a few dozen spreadsheet outputs from reports tested on concerto ;)
15:38 bshum "It is inevitable, it is your destiny."
15:38 JBoyer I feel like there's a "Pink Elephants on Parade" remake with spreadsheets just waiting to be put together, but sadly, I don't have the time.
15:39 * rfrasur just rolls her eyes and goes back to generating MORE reports.
18:24 hbrennan I've spent 20 minutes looking through Launchpad for a bug report, but "notes" "messages" etc are too broad of terms to find anything useful
18:24 hbrennan Wondering if anyone knows about a bug report already created, or if it's somehow just us
18:34 hbrennan Of course I discovered this at 2pm Alaska time, so it's crickets in here...
18:46 jihpringle hbrennan: I just tested on adding a note from standing penalties (Messages)and it triggered the light blue.  I believe "see notes" only applies to notes added through Other -> Notes
18:46 jihpringle my testing was on 2.10.2
18:47 hbrennan jihpringle: Thanks for testing
18:48 jihpringle no problem
18:52 hbrennan Oh, well now it's light blue.. only if there is a single note in Staff-Generated Penalties/Messages. Multiple notes are showing a burnt orange...
18:52 hbrennan Dang, guess I accidentally learned something

Results for 2016-05-13

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12:31 jeffdavis I'm seeing what looks like a memory leak with the fine generator on a 2.10 test server. I don't see something similar on our 2.8 system, but the test server has a big backlog of fines to generate (and less memory than production) so I'm not sure if that would be a new issue or just something that doesn't arise in normal circumstances.
12:41 jlitrell So, we throwing Parsey McParseface into search yet?  :-D
12:44 rlefaive did somebody say search?
12:45 jlitrell That's the last keyword I'd put in my notify list.

Results for 2016-05-11

09:54 bshum I figured to reopen since it would have more of the history that way, and maybe gmcharlt and berick could figure out what we're missing that they had when it got pushed in
09:55 kmlussier OK, I'm just trying to track down an issue I see on webby with unsaved data prompts in the patron editor that I'm 99% sure I didn't see on our local server. But I don't have another system to check it against.
09:55 kmlussier Of course, the problem could have developed with changes that were added to the web client since then, so I probably should just file the bug.
09:56 bshum For fun, I did revert the commits for angular 1.5 from one of my master test systems and successfully built the webstaff afterwards using the old version.
09:57 * bshum wanders off to meetings
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10:11 kmlussier Hmmm, actually, the problem is not seen on the ESI community demo server.

Results for 2016-05-10

15:20 csharp okay - I'll look at that now :-)
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15:45 dbs Finally added this after rediscovering many variants of it over the years; it's not the best possible method but good enough damnit: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?​id=scratchpad:random_magic_spells#gener​ating_a_sql_report_with_natural_titles
15:47 tsbere dbs: Instead of the regexp_replace and btrim, why not just use array_to_string?
15:48 * tsbere will admit to not having tried it, but has been using array_to_string recently elsewhere
15:50 * tsbere has now tried both and isn't sure but thinks that something is going wrong with a few titles on the regexp/btrim version in his test set
15:52 tsbere AHA! The ones I am seeing oddities have an array member that is all digits, such as '{1941,"[sound recording]."}', which doesn't play right with the regexp_replace.
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16:01 dbwells dbs: thanks for sharing!  Have your variants included uses of oils_xpath_string()?  That's been our go-to for a while, but also not perfect, so just curious about any +/- you've noted.
16:18 dbs array_to_string(XPATH('//marc:da​tafield[@tag="245"][1]//text()', marc::XML, ARRAY[ARRAY['marc', 'http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim']]), ' ') -- I guess? sure
16:18 * tsbere has gotten his password reset and changed the snippet
16:19 * tsbere has also updated his email address, now that he has thought about it
16:26 dbwells dbs: borrowed some ideas from what you posted and combined with what we've done recently, it's not bad in testing; pasting...
16:26 pastebot "dbwells" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "another quick title option" (1 line) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/26
16:26 dbwells I've got a report request I'll try it in and see what uglies turn up.
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Results for 2016-05-09

11:30 gmcharlt er, thanks
11:30 gmcharlt and howdy folks - re bug 1579225, I think it warrants an early 2.10.3; I would appreciate eyes on it
11:30 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1579225 in Evergreen "Patron registration- unable to log in with password entered during registration" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1579225
11:36 dbwells gmcharlt: I've given it a once (or twice) over and it seems sensible.  Rolling it out now to try to test more angles in our live environment.  Do you know the simplest means to reproduce the double-hashing problem?  I think we experienced that last week, but I haven't tracked it down yet.
11:38 gmcharlt dbwells: from the user side, it's just a matter of registering a completely new patron in either the XUL or web staff interfaces
11:39 dbwells gmcharlt: sorry, I was unclear.  I mean the later updates which corrupt the password (e.g. address updates).  Does that happen for every address update?
11:40 gmcharlt dbwells: ah, gotcha. no, I don't believe it would occur with every address updates, just ones that add or subtract an address and thereby causes an update of the base patron record
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12:27 dbwells gmcharlt: I am off to lunch, but everything looks good in my testing.  I posted a sign-off branch to the bug.  Hopefully others will still weigh in.
12:47 jeffdavis I'll be testing that branch today fwiw.
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12:52 dbs gmcharlt: +1 to your response on bib record / auth record $0 stuff
12:53 dbs I guess I should just gmcharlt++ so it counts :)
15:49 csharp jeff: well, you know I'm interested too :-)
15:50 jvwoolf Not too change gears too quickly, but csharp and terran: I'm very excited about the Quick Reporter
15:50 csharp we're pretty happy with it too
15:51 terran Our users are too! bmills installed it on his test server during our session at the conference and had it up and running by the time we left :)
15:51 jvwoolf Wow! I should have paid attention to what he was doing. I was sitting right next to him!
15:52 jvwoolf terran: Your materials are posted, right?
15:52 terran He found a handful of small issues that we need to tweak, but nothing huge.
16:15 jvwoolf Or do you want to save that for the conference?
16:15 jeff I would hope to have shared many interesting things before then, and would be happy to discuss if folk were still interested.
16:16 jvwoolf Cool, thanks. I'll be in touch. :)
16:16 csharp hopefully I will get around to setting up a jasper test instance before then too :-)
16:16 jvwoolf And eagerly awaiting the things you'll share :)
16:16 csharp jvwoolf++ # thanks for setting up this meeting
16:17 terran and I'll figure out a Quick Reports bug tracker site before then...
16:27 csharp jeff: IT DIDN'T WORK!
16:28 terran csharp: one of us, one of us
16:39 kmlussier jvwoolf++
16:45 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1579225: add live_t regression test - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=82c0202>
16:45 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1579225: fix handling of passwords in patron registration - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=9289743>
16:48 * gmcharlt starts the release-cutting dance
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17:03 jeff Wow. Conference Attendees list this year includes cell phone and work phone numbers, as well as whatever people supplied for their mailing address. That's... surprising.
17:33 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] release notes for 2.10.3 - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=0f0f6c1>
17:40 dbs need to update history.git
18:04 gmcharlt the 2.10.3 release is just about ready to go; I'll put it up after dinnner
18:39 jeffdavis password fix is tested and confirmed here, but I can see it doesn't need any more signoffs :)
18:39 jeffdavis gmcharlt++
18:41 jihpringle gmcharlt++
19:52 gmcharlt https://evergreen-ils.org/​evergreen-2-10-3-released/
20:13 jlitrell gmcharlt++

Results for 2016-05-06

14:00 jeff And ideally don't require touching every SIP2 client config.
14:01 JBoyer configs only need to be changed on selfcheks if they currently supply the CP field. (I suspect that's very unlikely since it's currently unused.) Release notes are coming in case it's ready to go as-is.
14:01 JBoyer Blank CPs are fine, they're ignored.
14:01 JBoyer Also testing notes will go in LP.
14:08 jeff Yeah, most of our SIP2 clients set CP. I don't want to speak for anyone else's clients, though.
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14:15 jeff Oh... lovely.
16:44 Dyrcona Use a RAID setup.
16:44 jeff one point twenty-one gigaWALs!
16:45 Dyrcona heh
16:45 jihpringle kmlussier: if you're around and have time could you check your 2.9 community test server?  it's giving me "There was an error testing this hostname"
16:46 kmlussier jihpringle: You made need to add an SSL exception.
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16:48 * jeff cringes
17:23 jihpringle you're welcome and thanks for fixing.  I've now been able to confirm a bug is definitely new in 2.10
17:33 kmlussier I wonder if work on the Angular patron editor may have leaked into the xul client and caused the issue with bug 1579225
17:33 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1579225 in Evergreen "Patron registration- unable to log in with password entered during registration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1579225
17:34 gmcharlt jihpringle: roughly when did you test it on the ESI community demo? (I want to check logs)
17:35 jihpringle gmcharlt: around 1:37pm PDT
17:36 gmcharlt thanks
17:36 dbwells Being related to the new password hashing infrastructure would also be a good bet.
17:36 jihpringle and around 1:51pm PDT for the web client
17:36 kmlussier dbwells: Yes, I was just remembering that's new too.
17:41 * gmcharlt takes a look
17:42 gmcharlt test record: a cat with poor password hygiene
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18:26 gmcharlt yep, it's the password hashing
18:26 gmcharlt during registration, the hashed password is getting set to CRYPT( MD5( pw_salt || MD5(MD5(real_password)) ), pw_salt )
18:26 gmcharlt when comparisons are expecting CRYPT( MD5( pw_salt || MD5(real_password) ), pw_salt )
18:27 gmcharlt I'll poke more after dinner
18:30 gmcharlt ok, seeing more: during the open-ils.actor.patron.update dance, a new actor.usr is created
18:30 gmcharlt the password trigger on actor.usr sets au.passwd to md5(real_password)
18:31 gmcharlt *then*, the new row gets retrieved and passed on to the rest of the process, including a call to actor.set_passwd
18:31 gmcharlt and that's where the extraneous md5 is coming from
18:31 gmcharlt more anon
18:43 Christineb gmcharlt++ thank you for investigating
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Results for 2016-05-05

10:49 Dyrcona sitalk: It sounds like you have not completely installed OpenSRF and Evergreen.
10:49 kmlussier mmorgan: Is there anything else that might block the hold beyond age protection? An issue with the patron's account?
10:50 Dyrcona mmorgan: Do the staff have the permission to override at the consortium depth? It could be a depth issue.
10:51 kmlussier I know this is hard to test in production, but I wonder if removing the two non-holdable copies (or making them holdable, but age-protected) would make the override appear.
10:52 Dyrcona mmorgan: Our staff have the ITEM_AGE_PROTECTED.override at depth 0.
10:52 Dyrcona Well, actually, all users have it at that depth.
10:54 Dyrcona sitalk: Did you a2ensite eg.conf?
11:40 terran Bmagic: there are definitely still some OPAC screens that still need more responsive design work
11:41 terran Bmagic: I tweaked a few things when doing our customizations for our last upgrade, but I was hoping to get back to it at some point (hasn't happened yet)
11:42 Bmagic It seems like the issue is the use of tables, but I might be wrong
11:46 terran Hrrm - I'm looking at my test server with 2.9 on it on the opac items out page and don't see anything egregiously broken
11:47 terran never mind, yes I do
11:52 bshum Patches welcome :)
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11:56 kmlussier Bmagic / terran: I could be misremembering, but I think NOBLE may have done some nice customizations to that screen to address that issue. I think that's one of the screens they were working on at the hack-a-way. I can follow up with them.
14:24 yboston seems like the 2.10 HTML is not building properly
14:24 yboston the cahnges sandbergja made to the attributions page are not showing up
14:24 jihpringle do we have access to the build log for it?
14:25 yboston only Robert
14:25 yboston it is building fine on dev amd on the “docs-testing” server
14:25 sandbergja I could ask Robert to see if we can troubleshoot the issue together
14:25 yboston http://docs.evergreen-ils.​org/dev/attributions.html - here is the main dev version
14:26 sandbergja I was very curious about that myself!
14:26 yboston http://docs.evergreen-ils.​org/2.10/attributions.html - this is the main 2.10 version
14:26 jihpringle that explains my issue too, my additions are showing in dev
14:26 yboston http://docs-testing.evergreen-ils​.org/docs/2.10/attributions.html - here is the testing 2.10
14:26 remingtron I would expect the page to be blank if there was a build error
14:27 remingtron are we sure it was backported to 2.10?
14:27 yboston I can email Robert and icnlude you all to be on the same page
14:27 jihpringle I don't know how it works for these docs, but with ours if it runs into a problem it just keeps the last version that worked
14:27 yboston yes, the commits are there, unless a newer commit somhow undud the changes. then againt he testing server grabbed it correctly
14:28 remingtron yboston: you are right, git.evergreen-ils.org shows the updated file
14:28 remingtron here's the 2.10 version: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.gi​t;a=blob;f=docs/attributions.txt;h=3e6c629f3​d64a43b53be4ba1ac0aa110bd9d67c2;hb=rel_2_10
14:29 yboston BTW, normally I just email Robert directly and usually CC remingtron
14:34 yboston gmcharlt++ gmcharlt++
14:34 remingtron yboston: I have a topic
14:35 remingtron ideas that came up at the conference
14:35 yboston for setting up the http://docs-testing.evergreen-ils.org
14:35 yboston go ahead
14:35 yboston #topic confernece ideas
14:35 yboston darn
14:36 yboston (go ahead)
14:36 remingtron #idea Add links in docs to Sitka doc videos on youtube
14:37 remingtron #idea Investigate fixing the Help menu link on the XUL client (just needs HTML help/doc files in the right place)
14:37 jihpringle I'll have a list of the ones that are still accurate for 2.10 by next week
14:50 yboston I wonder how the links would behave in the PDF and epub version. I hoep they work, but I would still want to proceed if they don't
14:50 jihpringle they work in our pdf
14:50 yboston one mroe thing, does Sitka have plans to delete any older videos? concerned abotu “link rot” inthe future
14:51 jihpringle (I just tested)
14:51 yboston excellent on the testing
14:51 jihpringle no, we have no plans to delete the videos
14:51 yboston cool
14:51 jihpringle at this point we figure even it if it's not current for us it may be for someone else
14:52 jihpringle Christineb++
14:52 yboston Christineb++
14:53 Christineb :)
14:53 yboston any ideas of how to proceed with this idea?
14:54 yboston should we ask on the DIG list to see if anyone objects or just has any warnings?
14:54 yboston shoudl we start with a few links as a test?
14:54 Christineb We have asked our members for video suggestions - we could also ask DIG if they have any suggestions for short videos
14:54 jihpringle we should ask PINES about including their videos too
14:54 yboston shoudl we just discuss it further at the next meeting?

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12:48 bshum I'm not sure if that ought to hold up the Xenial merge though.  Since the angular 1.5 issue breaks across all the supported distros at the moment.
12:48 Dyrcona Right. I don't think it should, either.
12:49 Dyrcona Concerto works on xenial with Pg 9.5 with the above branch and the other xenial branches.
12:49 Dyrcona All of the tests passed.
12:49 bshum Dyrcona: Oh now I remember.  Since the angular 1.5 bug points at 2.next (no milestone assignment yet for 2.11) I figured that maybe we should re-open the bug and mark it back to confirmed with notes on the breakage.  If it had been on a fix released bug, then I'd be more wary.
12:50 Dyrcona OK, I can go along with that.
12:50 bshum Or fix committed onto an actual real milestone
13:03 Dyrcona I love how the same conflict comes up multiple times when cherry-picking. :)
13:07 Dyrcona There are 7 commits: 5 from csharp and 2 from me.
13:07 Dyrcona csharp's lack the lp number, so I'll rebase and edit to add it.
13:08 gmcharlt I'm fine leaving it out of rel_2_10 for now, but that's driven mostly by a desire to see more Xenial/Stretch testing occur before we make the decision whether to formally extend distro support to the maintenance releases
13:14 Dyrcona gmcharlt: +1
13:14 Dyrcona bshum: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=work​ing/OpenSRF.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/he​ads/collab/dyrcona/ubuntu-1604-final
13:15 bshum Dyrcona: Looks good to me
14:32 rndrson2 Yes, it is! Thank you, hello everyone!
14:32 yboston welcome
14:33 rndrson2 I figured I would lurk a little and see what everyone was talking about
14:33 yboston we have been mostly going down the contents of the Evergreen community IRC “quick start guide”
14:33 yboston http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku​.php?id=community:irc-quick-start
14:33 yboston we started with the concept of “replying”
14:34 yboston rndrson2: which is done as you see here by starting my line with your IRC nickname , a colon then a spcae. then I add my message to you
14:34 yboston rndrson2: we also sent each other “private messages” which are also explained in the “quick start guide”
14:34 yboston rndrson2: please feel free to try to send me a private message as a test
14:35 rndrson2 yboston: makes sense! I've been reading through that, as well as the slideshow from the conference
14:35 yboston rndrson2: excellent
14:35 yboston rndrson2: we also talked about “karma” and voting”
14:40 yboston rndrson2: I beleive they are kept for years, since we are an open source community
14:41 jeff the irc archives are not subject to any automated time-based purging.
14:41 rndrson2 It looks like the calendars go back to 6/2013
14:41 yboston which reminds me to tell you all not to post your passwords or little test server IP addresses on IRC
14:42 jeff this irc channel is public, in a way very similar to the community mailing lists.
14:42 Dyrcona It's a public forum. You should treat as such.
14:42 yboston one good thing about the log that it is great if you miss an IRC meeting

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