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00:35 bshum Debian 8 is Jessie right?
00:35 dcook yarp
00:35 * dcook also waves to bshum
00:36 bshum dcook: Hey man!
00:36 dcook howdy :)
00:37 * dcook knows nothing about Evergreen so steps back to the sidelines
00:38 * bshum doesn't know what the error means but gets wary with Jessie dependency differences for apache 2.4
00:39 bshum I think while I was testing various builds I noticed that Jessie references were missing from the README somewhere
00:39 * bshum doesn't remember offhand though
00:41 * bshum is more of a Ubuntu guy
00:45 dcook I don't know anything about Evergreen, but that's intriguing that there's a OSRFGatewayConfig directive. Does Evergreen have an Apache module dependency?
00:45 bshum dcook: I'm sure it does somewhere
00:46 dcook That's wild
00:46 dcook Sounds like that module is missing...
00:46 dcook mod_ils_gateway, perhaps?
00:47 * dcook will stop troubleshooting software that he doesn't even work on :P
00:48 bshum dcook++ # drive-by-talking-aloud-troubleshooting
00:48 dcook hehe
00:49 bshum A cursory google search doesn't reveal anything for that error message sitalk linked
00:49 bshum But I wonder if this is either a missed dependency issue (which I know that they added something recently for Jessie)
00:50 bshum Or if maybe the system was installed with the wrong apache config files
00:50 bshum There's stuff in examples/apache/* and examples/apache_24/*
00:50 bshum And for Jessie, you'd want the apache_24/* stuff
00:50 bshum Since that's the version of Apache that ships with the system
00:50 bshum I'm unsure what happens if you copy the wrong files into place, I assume it wouldn't work out due to syntax differences between the apache versions
00:55 * bshum fires up his incomplete Jessie VM to find out
00:56 bshum sitalk: Not sure if you're still around, but I know you did email the lists with your issue recently.  This IRC channel isn't often so talkative at this time, most folks are active in the 9am-5pm Eastern americas timezone
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01:27 bshum sitalk: So I tried running something like "apache2ctl -M" to get a list of loaded apache modules on my Debian Jessie test machine
01:27 bshum Output looked like http://pastie.org/10823337
01:27 bshum Ignoring the 2nd and 3rd line warnings, the rest lists out the Loaded Modules entries
01:28 bshum And maybe should compare and see if that indicates what might be different between the systems
01:28 bshum I'll put that into an email reply to your question on the list, just in case you aren't looking at IRC further.
01:30 * bshum wanders back off to sleep
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06:45 sitalk Thank you very much guys for the assistance.
06:45 sitalk bshum: I have compared the list of apache modules on mine and yours installations.
06:45 sitalk It turned out that I was missing a few. Most notably: osrf_http_translator_module
06:45 sitalk and osrf_json_gateway_module. Judging the opensrf source code, these modules seem to get installed during the opensrf installation. Which means that the installation did not do entirely well.
06:45 sitalk I will reinstall opensrf and Evergreen and see is the modules will appear in apache.
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07:27 bshum sitalk: Sounds like a plan, good luck!
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08:05 JBoyer When the tea bag rests gently upon the bottom of the mug you will have reached beverage zen. Or you have allowed your tea to steep for far too long, stop doing that.
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09:07 Dyrcona @coffee [someone]
09:07 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Kenya Peaberry Ruera Estate, and sends it sliding down the bar to Stompro
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09:31 Dyrcona Who knew: http://search.cpan.org/~dchris/Tk-MA​RC-Editor-1.0/lib/Tk/MARC/Editor.pm ?
09:41 bshum "TK-421, why aren't you at your post?"
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09:51 Dyrcona bshum: https://plus.google.com/+ReverendEric​Ha/posts/T2yxWEGL24R?pid=628080617314​1581186&oid=103046039519355433778 :p
10:00 csharp @eightball did TK-421 ever make it back to his post?
10:00 pinesol_green csharp: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
10:00 csharp @who covered TK-421 while he was away from his post?
10:00 pinesol_green Stompro covered TK-421 while he was away from his post.
10:02 rlefaive good morning, #evergreen
10:03 jeff morning!
10:03 Dyrcona @later tell kmlussier My development VM is ready whenever you are.
10:03 pinesol_green Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.
10:03 csharp may the Force be with all y'all
10:04 terran and also with y'all
10:06 gmcharlt heh
10:07 Dyrcona @decide Rey Kenobi or Rey Skywalker
10:07 pinesol_green Dyrcona: go with Rey Kenobi
10:10 csharp Rey Calrissian!
10:10 rlefaive At the conference I heard a lot of hate on Autosuggest, mostly because of accessibility issues. Is there a plan to implement a better autosuggest in Angular?
10:13 csharp I haven't heard of anything like that, but it seems like the kind of thing Angular would do well
10:13 rhamby_ I'm not aware of anyone with a plan for a new autosuggest feature but that's ultimately a "how to help search" thing and there has been a lof discussion about the high level of search lately so Kathy might have it in a box somewhere
10:15 rlefaive Cool cool cool. Thanks csharp, rhamby_
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10:33 bshum "We can rebuild him. We have the technology."
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10:35 rhamby_ Well, if anyone wants to spend six million dollars on auto suggest that should be a heck of a spec list.
10:37 berick good AI isn't cheap
10:37 rhamby_ berick: fair
10:37 csharp 32 million in 2016 dollers
10:38 csharp er.. dollARs
10:38 berick csharp: was just wondering..
10:39 Dyrcona "A hundred million dollars should fix anything."
10:39 Dyrcona Not sure if that NZD or USD, maybe AUD or CAD?
10:40 * berick only uses intergalactic credits
10:41 tsbere Dyrcona: Why not sand? ;)
10:42 Stompro Is there a bug report yet about accepting bitcoin fine/fee payments?
10:43 csharp "your change is $445"
10:43 Dyrcona Stompro: Not yet.
10:44 Dyrcona tsbere: Certainly not ZWL.....
10:48 rhamby_ Stompro: We should accept dogecoin too.
10:49 Dyrcona csharp: "your change is 1 bitcoin." ;)
10:50 Dyrcona Much coin. Very wow.
10:51 * Stompro still doesn't know if dogecoin is just a huge inside joke, or an actual valid crypto currency.
10:51 Dyrcona Stompro: About as valid as the US Dollar....
10:51 Dyrcona ;)
10:53 Dyrcona Stompor rhamby_: https://www.block.io/ supposedly does bitcoin, litecoin, and dogecoin, but apparently ain't free.
10:53 Dyrcona Gah.... Stompro ^
10:54 rhamby_ Dogecoin is a real thing.  It's community is very cool actually.
10:57 Dyrcona So many altcoins....
10:57 csharp So money.
10:59 * Dyrcona isn't so sure they meet the classical definition of money....
10:59 * Dyrcona steps back before getting political.
11:00 Dyrcona Blockchain technology has a lot of potential beyond currency, though.
11:01 Dyrcona It could be used for a free, public library of digital stuff that could have artificial limitations built in to the use of the materials, though I'm generally against that sort of thing.
11:02 rhamby_ Dyrcona: It could be used for just about anything where you want to verify identity of an entity whether its a person, a stock, a whatever.
11:02 Dyrcona rhamby_: Yep. Including replacing parliamentary style governments with a more universal representation of the actual people....
11:03 Dyrcona I seem to have shared something about that on G+ recently... ;)
11:03 rhamby_ Dyrcona: I would love to see that.
11:08 * Dyrcona sent the URL in private chat. Not sure everyone else wants to see it.
11:12 Dyrcona On accepting bitcoin, the technical hurdles are likely rather low.
11:13 Dyrcona I doubt many libraries would be able to accept it for legal reasons.
11:13 Dyrcona A number of our libraries cannot accept credit cards because of administrative restrictions on paying processing fees.
11:13 * csharp chuckles at the thought of that discussion happening in the PINES libraries
11:14 berick sample patron data address of the day, "Arrogant Contrast Junctions".
11:14 csharp berick++
11:14 Dyrcona :)
11:14 Dyrcona berick++ # Must be my street address. ;)
11:15 berick it has a nice political whiff to it
11:16 berick a good replacement for the phrase "agree to disagree".  "Well, I guess we've reached an arrogant contrast junction!"
11:16 Dyrcona heh.
11:18 dbwells :)
11:20 Dyrcona Oops. I confused the IRC practice time with the developers' meeting when I looked at my calendar yesterday.
11:21 Dyrcona Now, I have someone calling me at 3:30 EDT.
11:21 Dyrcona Are we going to have the developers' meeting?
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12:01 jeff heh.
12:01 jeff [SaslServ] 142 failed logins since last login.
12:02 Dyrcona jeff: But, was that last login actually you?
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12:46 bshum Dyrcona: In terms of order of things for Xenial, I'm thinking that we should sign and merge bug 1568046 (PG 9.5) first, then push in the OpenSRF stuff, followed by Evergreen stuff.
12:46 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1568046 in Evergreen "Concerto won't load because of problem with permission.grp_ancestors on PostgreSQL 9.5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1568046
12:46 Dyrcona bshum: That sounds like a plan.
12:47 Dyrcona bshum: Did you make the bug about the web staff client installation being broken since the upgrade to Angular 1.5?
12:47 bshum Dyrcona: Ah, not yet, I didn't get to it last night
12:48 Dyrcona bshum: OK. I can sympathize. :)
12:48 bshum I'm not sure if that ought to hold up the Xenial merge though.  Since the angular 1.5 issue breaks across all the supported distros at the moment.
12:48 Dyrcona Right. I don't think it should, either.
12:49 Dyrcona Concerto works on xenial with Pg 9.5 with the above branch and the other xenial branches.
12:49 Dyrcona All of the tests passed.
12:49 bshum Dyrcona: Oh now I remember.  Since the angular 1.5 bug points at 2.next (no milestone assignment yet for 2.11) I figured that maybe we should re-open the bug and mark it back to confirmed with notes on the breakage.  If it had been on a fix released bug, then I'd be more wary.
12:50 Dyrcona OK, I can go along with that.
12:50 bshum Or fix committed onto an actual real milestone
12:50 bshum But I'm happy to do either.
12:50 * bshum is a lazy guy
12:50 Dyrcona heh
12:50 bshum And actually the reason I might reuse the original bug is just so that we can track history better on what happened before the merge
12:50 Dyrcona Re-opening the bug sounds OK to me at this point.
12:50 bshum Cause they mentioned dependency building issues too
12:50 bshum So maybe there's something that got missed during the merging
12:51 Dyrcona So, let me review my xenial branches/bugs and make sure I have signed off on things.
12:51 Dyrcona Then, you can signoff and push.
12:51 Dyrcona That way, we'll have two to three signoffs per commit.
12:51 bshum Dyrcona: I think the key thing is rebasing the changes with the Squeeze stuff going in before Xenial did.
12:51 bshum Minor corrections really
12:51 Dyrcona All right, I can do that, too.
12:52 Dyrcona Unless you really want to. :)
12:52 bshum Dyrcona: If memory serves, you made the branch for OpenSRF and I made the one for Evergreen
12:53 bshum So I should rebase Evergreen and you tidy up OpenSRF
12:53 bshum Then we cross sign and go :)
12:53 Dyrcona csharp made the branch for OpenSRF and I added a commit for the README.
12:53 bshum Ah, so there'll be three signoffs for his stuff then at least
12:53 bshum :D
12:53 Dyrcona I'll add my commit to a non-squashed version of csharp's branch.
12:54 Dyrcona He had about 6 commits that I squashed down to one to make it easier to work with the branch in my local repo.
12:54 bshum Okay
12:55 bshum Dyrcona: Actually before I rebase, I'm going to commit that change for PG 9.5
12:55 Dyrcona I signed off on it already, yeah?
12:56 Dyrcona Yeah, I did.
12:56 Dyrcona I say go for it.
12:57 bshum Calling 0979
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13:00 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#1568046: Use CTE instead of connectby for group tree queries - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=452c4de>
13:00 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP#1568046: Fix some mistakes in previous commit. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=5a4a651>
13:00 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1568046: Stamping upgrade script for changes to permission.grp_ancestors - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=463f535>
13:02 bshum I only pushed the PG 9.5 change to master, didn't backport.  Figure I'd check with gmcharlt and you Dyrcona before I did anything on that.
13:02 bshum Part of me says eh, no, cause PG 9.5 is much more bleeding edge
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13:03 * Dyrcona agrees as far as 2.9 is concerned.
13:03 * Dyrcona is almost done.
13:03 Dyrcona I love how the same conflict comes up multiple times when cherry-picking. :)
13:07 Dyrcona There are 7 commits: 5 from csharp and 2 from me.
13:07 Dyrcona csharp's lack the lp number, so I'll rebase and edit to add it.
13:08 gmcharlt I'm fine leaving it out of rel_2_10 for now, but that's driven mostly by a desire to see more Xenial/Stretch testing occur before we make the decision whether to formally extend distro support to the maintenance releases
13:14 Dyrcona gmcharlt: +1
13:14 Dyrcona bshum: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=work​ing/OpenSRF.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/he​ads/collab/dyrcona/ubuntu-1604-final
13:15 bshum Dyrcona: Looks good to me
13:16 Dyrcona We haven't removed precise, yet, have we?
13:16 bshum Dyrcona: Do we want to tack on a commit now to kill 12.04 too moving forward?
13:16 bshum Hehe
13:16 gmcharlt SNAP
13:16 bshum Dyrcona: Not yet, I was just rebasing my commit to do that at the end of the 16.04 add for Evergreen
13:17 Dyrcona I think that should be a separate branch.
13:17 Dyrcona Like with dropping squeeze.
13:17 bshum Dyrcona: Okay, I'll split it off then
13:17 Dyrcona We can always do it after pushing support for xenial.
13:19 jeffdavis collum: are you around?
13:23 bshum Dyrcona: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=work​ing/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/​heads/collab/bshum/ubuntu-1604-final
13:25 bshum Dyrcona: 5 commits, just for xenial.  I backed out the Precise stuff and I'll do that in a new branch later.
13:26 bshum Dyrcona: Course right after I did that, I see I could probably squash it down to three commits... hmm.
13:27 Dyrcona If you want to. I don't have a problem with 5 commits.
13:27 bshum Eh, whatevs
13:30 bshum Dyrcona: The OpenSRF stuff looks good, can sign and push it on
13:32 csharp ok jeff, I'm now getting hooked on Welcome to Night Vale - I looked it up after you mentioned it a few weeks ago
13:33 jeff heh
13:33 jeff sorry :-)
13:33 Dyrcona bshum: Ditto the Evergreen changes.
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13:34 bshum csharp++ Dyrcona++ # OpenSRF master has Xenial support
13:34 csharp hooray!
13:34 csharp Saturday, the Public Library will be unknowable. Citizens will forget  the existence of the library from 6 AM Saturday morning until 11 PM that  night. The library will be under a sort of renovation. It is not  important what kind of renovation.
13:35 pinesol_green Showing latest 5 of 7 commits to OpenSRF...
13:35 pinesol_green [opensrf|Chris Sharp] LP#1551090: Adding necessary connectivity for xenial deb installation. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p​=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=46dfeaf>
13:35 Dyrcona bshum++ # Evergreen master has Xenial support
13:35 pinesol_green [opensrf|Chris Sharp] LP#1551090: Since we move apache to the "install_extra_debs*" targets, - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p​=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=e91074c>
13:35 pinesol_green [opensrf|Chris Sharp] LP#1551090: Adding apache2-dev dependency to xenial and fixing whitespace - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p​=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=1fca796>
13:35 pinesol_green [opensrf|Jason Stephenson] LP#1551090: Enable mod_perl2 on Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus). - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p​=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=032a964>
13:35 pinesol_green [opensrf|Jason Stephenson] LP#1551090: Update README for Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus). - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p​=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=e7fe347>
13:35 csharp bshum++ Dyrcona++
13:35 Dyrcona charp++
13:35 Dyrcona csharp++
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13:35 Dyrcona Well, if charp ever shows up, they'll have some free karma. :)
13:36 bshum @blame charp
13:36 pinesol_green bshum: everything was going great until charp came along
13:36 csharp "charp! charp! charp!" said the avian pirates
13:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1551084: Symlink for 000.english.pg95.fts-config.sql - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=233e14d>
13:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1551084: Start new Makefile target for 'ubuntu-xenial' - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=0605c1e>
13:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1551084: Update README to include references for 'ubuntu-xenial' - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f811b19>
13:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1551084: Fixup typo for ubuntu-xenial-developer - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ae4505c>
13:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1551084: Add 16.04 version notes in server_upgrade doc - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2cf65ef>
13:37 Dyrcona heh!
13:37 Dyrcona Those charpin' birds....
13:41 Dyrcona @blame avian pirates
13:41 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Forget it, Jake. It's just avian pirates.
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13:52 yboston FYI, there is a IRC practice session coming up at 2 PM EST
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14:01 yboston welcome anyone here for the IRC practice session
14:01 yboston also, hello to those that are regularly here
14:02 yboston this Yamil Suarez from Berkle College - aka yboston
14:02 yboston feel free to type hello to me and the others
14:02 bos20k Hello.
14:03 yboston hello!
14:03 bos20k This is John Merriam at Bibliomation.
14:03 yboston anybody else our there that are here for the first time?
14:03 Mary_ Hello
14:03 Mary_ this Mary beth Long from paILS
14:03 yboston hello!
14:04 yboston is this the first time in IRC for either of you? or had you used it a while ago?
14:04 Mary_ first time
14:04 hbrennan Holly from Homer, AK here... just lurking
14:04 yboston BTW, I was absolutely tefrrified the first time I pocked my head here in 2012
14:04 bos20k I haven't been on IRC in decades so I basically forgot it all...
14:05 Mary_ good to know
14:05 yboston at these practices sessions we get a chance to practice the basics again
14:06 yboston for example, let’s try “replying” to someone, which can also be done when you want to address someone directly
14:06 yboston what you do is start your message with their IRC “nickname”
14:06 yboston then type a colo, then a message
14:06 yboston for example…
14:06 yboston Mary_: this is an example fo a “reply” or me addrsssign Mary directly
14:07 Dyrcona Hello, bos20k.
14:07 bos20k yboston: I will try to remember that.
14:07 yboston excellent
14:07 yboston in the IRC section of the Evergreen site there is a list of tips
14:07 yboston here is the IRC page
14:07 yboston https://evergreen-ils.org/communicate/irc/
14:07 bos20k Dyrcona: Hi
14:07 Mary_ yboston:I will try to remember that
14:08 yboston here is a link to the “quick start guide” on the IRC section
14:08 yboston http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku​.php?id=community:irc-quick-start
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14:08 yboston What may be easier to remember is that we have guides to helps you, so you can turn to the guides for a refresehr
14:09 yboston BTW< a tip related to repyling is that most IRC software, adn the web browser version
14:09 yboston let’s you use “auto compeltion” of nicknames
14:09 yboston for example, if you want to reply to me
14:10 yboston just type a letter “y” then hit the tab key
14:10 bos20k yboston: ah, definitely didn't have that back in the day.
14:10 Mary_ yboston: it worked!
14:10 yboston it is easier for my nickname because the y is not too common
14:11 yboston for more common letters you can keep hitting the tab key to see other suggestions
14:11 yboston you can also type in a few letters to cut down on the suggestions; like typing “yb” for me
14:12 yboston knowing about replies will help you when you want to contact someone, but now you will be able to read along better
14:12 yboston when there are more than one conversation going on
14:12 yboston I am going to proceed with the sugegstions on this page…
14:12 yboston http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku​.php?id=community:irc-quick-start
14:13 yboston lets try a “private message” to each other
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14:13 yboston btw, are there any new first time IRC vistiros that have not said hello yet?
14:13 yboston just type hello and the return key
14:13 vbrueck hello
14:14 yboston welcome
14:14 yboston this Yamil Suarez from Berkle College - aka yboston
14:14 yboston vbrueck: we just finsished talking about “replying” to each other
14:15 yboston vbrueck: this is an example of “replying” or adressign a message to another user
14:15 yboston you start by typing a persons IRC nickname, immediatly followed by a colon. then your message
14:15 Mary_ vbrueck: hello
14:16 vbrueck Mary_: hello
14:16 yboston excellent
14:16 yboston I was just saying that knowing about replies is good for actively comunicating with soemone, but also
14:16 yboston it make it easier to read along IRC if there are more than one conversation happenign at the same time
14:17 yboston any other newcomers I need to say hello to before we move on to “private messages’?
14:18 yboston BTW< I freely admit that my spelling/grammar can get pretty bad
14:18 yboston when I try to type really fast on IRC
14:18 yboston I recommend that you write out a few key phrases, or the question you want to ask beforehand, if it helps to make you more comfortable at first
14:19 yboston now let’s talk about private messages
14:19 yboston see the “quick start guide” for extra info
14:19 yboston http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku​.php?id=community:irc-quick-start
14:19 yboston what you need to do is start your line with: /msg yboston
14:20 yboston that will send a message to me if you add soemthing after my nickname
14:20 yboston try it
14:20 yboston excellent, a few messages have come in
14:21 yboston I will reply to each of you
14:22 yboston again, we have a few pages with sugegstions on how to use IRC
14:22 yboston you do not have to leave her being an expert
14:22 yboston leave her having some expereince and the knowledge of were to look up tips int he future
14:22 yboston and please spread the word that with a practice time IRC is not that scary.
14:23 yboston now lets talka botu the topics of “karma” and “voting”
14:23 yboston “karma” is a way to give soemone or something a “pat in the back”
14:23 yboston again mentioned in the quick start guide
14:24 yboston http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku​.php?id=community:irc-quick-start
14:24 yboston for example, to give each other karma just type soemoen nickname, immediatly followed by two plus signs
14:24 yboston Mary_++
14:24 yboston try it
14:25 bos20k vbrueck++
14:25 Mary_ yboston: ++
14:25 bos20k Mary_++
14:25 vbrueck bos20k++
14:25 yboston BTW, as a common curtesy we do not give negative karma to a person
14:25 hbrennan But we do for things we don't like!
14:25 yboston we can give negative karma to yourself, or to an inanimate ogject/concept
14:25 yboston SIP—
14:25 hbrennan :)
14:26 yboston BTW, there cannot be a colon or a space between the nickname and the two plus signs
14:26 Mary_ how did that happen
14:26 * tsbere is under the impression that you can't change your own karma, positive or negative
14:26 yboston when you used the auto compelte, it automatically adds the colon
14:26 yboston *complete
14:26 Mary_ ok
14:27 yboston tsbere++ thanks for the tp
14:27 yboston again, you don’t have to go around fivign a lot of karma when you are in IRC, but now when you see others do it you know what they mean
14:27 yboston a similar concept to karma is voting
14:28 yboston again see guide
14:28 yboston http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku​.php?id=community:irc-quick-start
14:28 yboston If we wanted to informally or formally ask those on IRC about a decision or topic
14:29 yboston we vote by typing either “+1” or “-1” after the questiosn is asked
14:29 yboston let’s try it
14:29 yboston Who needs more coffee?
14:29 bos20k -1
14:29 vbrueck +1
14:29 Mary_ +1
14:29 yboston -1 (i don’t drink coffee)
14:29 yboston again, voting does not happen all of the time, but now you know what it looks like
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14:31 Mary_ rndrson2 hello
14:31 rndrson2 Hi! I thought I'd give this a try
14:32 yboston rndrson2: is this your first time in IRC? welcome
14:32 vbrueck rndrson2: hello
14:32 sard ➕ 1
14:32 bos20k rndrson2: hi
14:32 rndrson2 Yes, it is! Thank you, hello everyone!
14:32 yboston welcome
14:33 rndrson2 I figured I would lurk a little and see what everyone was talking about
14:33 yboston we have been mostly going down the contents of the Evergreen community IRC “quick start guide”
14:33 yboston http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku​.php?id=community:irc-quick-start
14:33 yboston we started with the concept of “replying”
14:34 yboston rndrson2: which is done as you see here by starting my line with your IRC nickname , a colon then a spcae. then I add my message to you
14:34 yboston rndrson2: we also sent each other “private messages” which are also explained in the “quick start guide”
14:34 yboston rndrson2: please feel free to try to send me a private message as a test
14:35 rndrson2 yboston: makes sense! I've been reading through that, as well as the slideshow from the conference
14:35 yboston rndrson2: excellent
14:35 yboston rndrson2: we also talked about “karma” and voting”
14:35 yboston which is also covered int he quick start guide
14:36 yboston aonce again the guide is foudn withing hte Evergreen site
14:36 yboston Under “get involved” > “communications” > “IRC”
14:37 yboston BTW, this is a good time to cover the IRC logs
14:37 rndrson2 great! the guide is very helpful
14:37 yboston pretty much everything we are saying is being log for posterity
14:37 rndrson2 Sounds good
14:37 yboston there are ways to get off the record, but most people stay on the record
14:38 yboston so for example, you can all bring up the log for todays practice time
14:38 yboston including all the IRC chatter for all of today
14:38 yboston Again go to EG site; Under “get involved” > “communications” > “IRC”
14:39 yboston then look for the “Browse the logs for #Evergreen”
14:39 yboston link
14:39 yboston http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen
14:39 yboston Here is a link for todays full log
14:39 yboston http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen/2016-05-04
14:40 yboston here is a link to the log starting when the pracice time started at 2 PM EST
14:40 yboston http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/​evergreen/2016-05-04#i_245531
14:40 rndrson2 How long are the logs stored?
14:40 yboston rndrson2: excellent question, but I am not sure of the answer
14:40 bos20k rndrson2: if they are crawled and archived, theoretically forever...
14:40 yboston rndrson2: I beleive they are kept for years, since we are an open source community
14:41 jeff the irc archives are not subject to any automated time-based purging.
14:41 rndrson2 It looks like the calendars go back to 6/2013
14:41 yboston which reminds me to tell you all not to post your passwords or little test server IP addresses on IRC
14:42 jeff this irc channel is public, in a way very similar to the community mailing lists.
14:42 Dyrcona It's a public forum. You should treat as such.
14:42 yboston one good thing about the log that it is great if you miss an IRC meeting
14:43 yboston like the Documentation Interest Group (DIG) IRC meeting, which usually happen the first Thursday of the month
14:43 yboston (shameless plug for DIG)
14:43 yboston if you miss a meeting you can go to the IRC log for a recap
14:44 yboston also, if you happen to be late to an IRC meeting, you can look over the log the minute you arrive to catch yourself up
14:44 yboston does anyone have any questions? I only have a couple more thngs to explain
14:45 yboston OK the last two topics are “meetbot” and “pinesol_green”
14:46 yboston Meetbot is an “IRC meeting helper”
14:46 yboston it provides addtional features when we are runnign ameeting thorugh IRC
14:46 terran DIG++
14:47 yboston for example, if you prefix your messages with meetbot commands, it will create meetign minutes
14:47 yboston they look soemhting like
14:47 yboston #info I am reporting something
14:47 yboston #action yboston is going to be in charge of an action item
14:48 yboston meetbot is not active right now, so those commands did nothing, just wanted to expose every to the basics of meetbot
14:48 yboston Pinesol_green is “A program that can interpret certain IRC messages and respond to them”
14:48 pinesol_green yboston: What we have here is a failure to communicate.
14:48 pinesol_green yboston: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
14:48 yboston oops, I did not meean to invoke it :)
14:49 bos20k :)
14:49 yboston here is a link formthe Evergreen IRC page wth more info
14:49 yboston http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/dok​u.php?id=community:using-meetbot
14:49 yboston for example, I liek asking pinesol_green MARC TAG info
14:49 yboston @marc 856
14:49 pinesol_green yboston: The information needed to locate and access an electronic resource. The field may be used in a bibliographic record for a resource when that resource or a subset of it is available electronically. In addition, it may be used to locate and access an electronic version of a non-electronic resource described in the bibliographic record or a related electronic resource. (Repeatable) (1 more message)
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14:50 yboston another useful feature is that
14:50 yboston I can call up a bug number and it will provide additional info
14:50 yboston LP 1578219
14:50 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1578219 in Evergreen "Wishlist: Add a visual reminder of what files have been imported to a vandelay queue" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1578219
14:51 yboston of course I had to use the “lp” prefix, which stands for “Launcpad,” the site that we use to manage our bugs list
14:51 yboston I am pretty much doen with my agenda, any final questiosn before the start of the Evergreen developers meeting at 3 PM EST?
14:52 yboston BTW, you can all stay logged in and just read along as the devs meet
14:52 terran yboston++
14:52 vbrueck yboston: no, thanks for the help getting started
14:52 bos20k is pinesol_green the name of the bot software, or what #evergreen has named it?
14:52 yboston I please ask that you spread the word that IRC is doable by mere mortals
14:52 terran yboston: is there a cheatsheet of the Pinesol_green commands?
14:53 Dyrcona @help
14:53 pinesol_green Dyrcona: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
14:53 Dyrcona @help bartender
14:53 pinesol_green Dyrcona: (bartender ) -- pours a beer from an archived copy of http://web.mit.edu/~tcarli​le/www/beer/beerlist.html for you
14:53 yboston terran: ther is a page for it in the IRC section of the site
14:53 Dyrcona @help karma
14:53 pinesol_green Dyrcona: (karma [<channel>] [<thing> ...]) -- Returns the karma of <text>. If <thing> is not given, returns the top three and bottom three karmas. If one <thing> is given, returns the details of its karma; if more than one <thing> is given, returns the total karma of each of the things. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself.
14:53 Dyrcona @karma
14:53 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Highest karma: "chocolate" (6), "kmlussier" (6), "gmcharlt" (6), "jeff" (5), and "Dyrcona" (5).  Lowest karma: "source" (-1), "drupal" (-1), "peanut_m&ms" (-1), "marc" (-1), and "reports" (-1).  You (Dyrcona) are ranked 4 out of 36.
14:53 yboston Guide to using the “pinesol_green” IRC concierge Bot
14:53 yboston http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=community:using-pinesol_green
14:54 Dyrcona bos20k: pinesol_green is just what we call it. I believe it is a variety of supybot.
14:54 yboston so feel freee to keep practicing on our IRC channel for a few mroe minutes
14:54 bos20k Dyrcona: thanks
14:54 yboston though we need to stop at 3 PM EST for the dev meeting
14:54 yboston again, you don’t have to log out
14:54 Mary_ yboston++ thank you
14:54 yboston just read along
14:54 Dyrcona Which we're probably not having.
14:54 vbrueck Aufwiedersehen
14:54 Dyrcona @bartender [someone]
14:54 * pinesol_green fills a pint glass with Ridgeway IPA, and sends it sliding down the bar to yboston (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/7944/23454)
14:54 bos20k yboston++ thanks
14:54 Mary_ bye everyone
14:54 sard is there a place to get 2.7 client install, cant seem to find it
14:54 yboston ¡Adios!
14:54 berick yeah, haven't heard much motion toward having the meeting today
14:55 rndrson2 yboston: this has been very helpful! Thankyou!
14:55 terran @bartender Dyrcona
14:55 * pinesol_green fills a pint glass with Trappist Achel 8° Brune, and sends it sliding down the bar to Dyrcona (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/922/8045/)
14:55 yboston sard: there should be, which version?
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14:56 yboston sard: the clients are usually archived so I just change the URL for the version I need
14:56 berick https://evergreen-ils.org/downl​oads/evergreen-setup-2.7.8.exe -- for example
14:56 rndrson2 left #evergreen
14:56 Dyrcona chocolate++
14:56 sard yep that works, thank you
14:57 Dyrcona Too bad I already at the last chocolate chocolate chip cookie.
14:57 bshum yboston: The archive page should have that stuff
14:57 bshum code museum
14:57 terran @list
14:57 pinesol_green terran: Admin, Alias, Assorted2, AutoMode, BadWords, Blame, Bugtracker, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Dessert, Dunno, Encyclopedia, Games, Git, Herald, Insult, Karma, Later, LoveHate, MARC, Math, MeetBot, Misc, NickAuth, Owner, Praise, Quote, RSS, Seen, Time, User, Utilities, and Weather
14:57 yboston bshum: thanks
14:57 bshum https://evergreen-ils.org/code-museum/
14:58 bshum I update it during major series changes to move all the old content there
14:58 bshum Or at least I try to
14:58 bshum It should have shortcuts to all the 2.7 stuff there
14:58 csharp @loves
14:58 pinesol_green csharp loves supybot plugins; virtualization; lasagna; logs; clarity; all y'all; upgrades; tpac; git; this venue; google; not being evil; when evergreen problems turn out to be staff error; the Jedi; pgadmin; policy; lynx; autoupdate; coffee; db02; kvm; CWMARS; mobile catalog; vim; snow; pizza; google forms; chicken soup; cilantro; actual fun; supybot; vimdiff; felafel; postgresql; and THE (1 more message)
14:58 csharp @more
14:58 pinesol_green csharp: RESISTANCE
14:59 yboston ha ha ha
14:59 yboston that is what a spy would say
14:59 Dyrcona @loves
14:59 pinesol_green Dyrcona loves git; sed; OpenBSD; gnu/emacs; git tag; and git-quickpick
14:59 Dyrcona @hates
14:59 pinesol_green Dyrcona hates MARC; English orthography; Launchpad Search; and printing
14:59 csharp The Resistance is the BEST!
14:59 terran @loves
14:59 pinesol_green terran: terran doesn't seem to love anything.
15:00 Dyrcona @whocares MARC
15:00 pinesol_green mllewellyn loves MARC
15:00 pinesol_green bshum, jcamins, rfrasur, Dyrcona, tsbere, gsams, collum, csharp, JBoyer and Bmagic hate MARC
15:00 Bmagic wow
15:00 Dyrcona @whocares git
15:00 pinesol_green Dyrcona, tsbere, bshum, csharp, gmcharlt, yboston, kmlussier and gsams love git
15:00 * csharp remembered the game that The Resistance is a variant of: https://en.wikipedia.org/w​iki/Mafia_%28party_game%29
15:03 terran @help encyclopedia
15:03 pinesol_green terran: Error: There is no command "encyclopedia". However, "Encyclopedia" is the name of a loaded plugin, and you may be able to find its provided commands using 'list Encyclopedia'.
15:03 terran @help LoveHate
15:03 pinesol_green terran: Error: There is no command "lovehate". However, "Lovehate" is the name of a loaded plugin, and you may be able to find its provided commands using 'list Lovehate'.
15:05 csharp terran: LoveHate is the plugin that allows us to @love and @hate things
15:05 bshum @list lovehate
15:05 pinesol_green bshum: caresabout, dontcare, hate, haters, hates, love, lovers, loves, random, sarcasticlove, whocares, whohates, and wholoves
15:05 bshum That shows the commands, sure.
15:05 bshum @sarcasticlove MARC
15:05 pinesol_green bshum: But bshum already hates MARC!
15:05 bshum Hehe
15:05 csharp terran: and Encyclopedia is the plugin (IIRC) that allows us to add/call up factoids
15:05 bshum The factoid prefix is ~
15:05 csharp ~install
15:05 pinesol_green Factoid 'install' not found
15:05 csharp ~installation
15:05 pinesol_green Factoid 'installation' not found
15:06 csharp ugh
15:06 csharp ~opensrf
15:06 pinesol_green Open Scalable Request Framework (OpenSRF), pronounced “open surf” is a message routing network that offers scalability and failover support for individual services and entire servers with minimal development and deployment overhead.  See http://evergreen-ils.org/opensrf.php for downloads and further information.
15:06 bshum ~yaous
15:06 pinesol_green yaous is an acronym for Yet Another Org Unit Setting
15:06 csharp it's not much used over the last couple of years
15:08 csharp ~install is Evergreen installation instructions can be found in the README for the current release. Downloads page is here: http://evergreen-ils.org/egdownloads/
15:08 pinesol_green I'll remember that, csharp
15:08 csharp ~installation is <alias> install
15:09 csharp ~installation
15:09 pinesol_green install is Evergreen installation instructions can be found in the README for the current release. Downloads page is here: http://evergreen-ils.org/egdownloads/
15:09 csharp oops - I forgot the right syntax
15:09 terran @loves
15:09 pinesol_green terran: terran doesn't seem to love anything.
15:09 terran @loves coffee
15:09 pinesol_green terran: coffee doesn't seem to love anything.
15:09 terran Argh
15:10 bshum terran: Just @love not @loves
15:10 terran Ah
15:10 terran @love coffee
15:10 pinesol_green terran: The operation succeeded.  terran loves coffee.
15:10 terran @loves
15:10 pinesol_green terran loves coffee
15:10 Dyrcona @whocares coffee
15:10 pinesol_green kmlussier, csharp, mtate and terran love coffee
15:10 bshum The use of @loves finds out what that thing loves
15:12 terran Okay, back to the real world. Thanks, guys!
15:12 JBoyer Hmm.
15:13 JBoyer @haters
15:13 pinesol_green JBoyer: Top haters: csharp (29); bshum (26); rfrasur (18); kmlussier (12); RoganH (10)
15:13 bshum bos20k: Dyrcona: Yes, pinesol is a variant of supybot called Limnoria
15:13 csharp ~no install is <reply> Evergreen installation instructions can be found in the README for the current release. Downloads page is here: http://evergreen-ils.org/egdownloads/
15:13 pinesol_green I'll remember that csharp
15:13 * csharp can feel the @hate flowing through him
15:14 bshum csharp: "your hate has made you powerful"
15:14 JBoyer I could overtake that list in moments, not minutes. (It has been a @sarcasticlove great day.)
15:14 Dyrcona @choose light side or dark side
15:14 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Have you tried turning it off and back on again?
15:14 bshum *decide
15:14 Dyrcona um....
15:14 csharp @decide Anakin or Darth Vader
15:14 pinesol_green csharp: go with Anakin
15:14 Dyrcona @decide light side or dark side
15:14 pinesol_green Dyrcona: go with light side
15:14 csharp @decide Starkiller or Skywalker
15:14 pinesol_green csharp: go with Starkiller
15:15 Dyrcona @coin
15:15 pinesol_green Dyrcona: tails
15:15 bshum @roulette
15:15 pinesol_green *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
15:15 * pinesol_green reloads and spins the chambers.
15:15 bshum Yes, finally!
15:16 tsbere Too bad we don't leave pinesol_green with rights. I find it more amusing when people actually get kicked on that result. ;)
15:16 bshum Tempting... :)
15:16 Dyrcona bshum wanted to do that.
15:16 Dyrcona ;)
15:16 * bshum really did
15:17 csharp btw, here's a good way to learn the ways of the Force tonight: https://vimeo.com/32442801
15:17 * tsbere has known of a couple of bots rigged to tell chanserv to kick people on similar plugins, despite not being directly granted the ability to kick
15:24 Dyrcona @quote random
15:24 pinesol_green Dyrcona: Quote #16: "<berick> why's it broken? just bugcause." (added by gmcharlt at 01:37 PM, October 12, 2011)
15:25 bshum @quote search armenian
15:25 pinesol_green bshum: 2 found: #20: "<bshum> The staff client looks pretty in Armenian" and #5: "<senator> the armenian regression sounds like a..."
15:25 bshum @quote get 5
15:25 pinesol_green bshum: Quote #5: "<senator> the armenian regression sounds like a spy novel" (added by bshum at 03:44 PM, February 22, 2011)
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15:34 jeff and back.
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16:01 jeff There is no dev meeting agenda for today, and I know that some people are out.
16:02 jeff Pending topics of importance include Evergreen 2.11.
16:03 jeff I'm not too keen on starting an agendaless meeting, but if anyone had already blocked off the time and would like to discuss anything, please speak up and perhaps we can have some informal discussion.
16:04 jeff -- as opposed to the super-formal discussion that's normal here in and out of meetings! ;-)
16:05 hbrennan ha
16:06 jeff dbwells: I'm going to be brushing up on current build processes, and will likely pester you and/or Dyrcona with questions via irc or email afterward.
16:07 Dyrcona Well, bshum and I basically had our meeting earlier. :)
16:09 jeff miker: Your irc client is days idle, therefore you probably aren't here to object to me putting you down for an action item of "confer as needed with buildmasters and follow up on list regarding release plan and schedule" :-)
16:09 jeff Dyrcona: I noticed that. :-)
16:10 Dyrcona ;)
16:10 jeff Other than that, I'm present and will be watching channel for at least a bit longer if anyone else has anything to discuss.
16:10 jeff #endmeeting
16:10 berick ;)
16:11 jeff ;-)
16:11 * jeff marks berick as "present" also on the attendance sheet
16:11 dbwells jeff: You've probably got this already, but if not here's the place to start: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php​?id=dev:release_process:evergreen:2.8
16:11 jeff dbwells: thanks!
16:12 dbwells It's generally a smooth operation these days.
16:14 jeff hbrennan++ Dyrcona++ berick++ dbwells++ every one of you is one step closer to unlocking your next achievement.
16:15 * berick prepares a spot on his sash for new flare
16:16 jeff by "sash", i'm sure you mean "blockchain"
16:16 jeff and by "flare", you mean "distributed ledger entry", right? ;-)
16:17 hbrennan Karma just for existing today? Thanks jeff, I needed that.
16:17 hbrennan jeff++
16:18 jeff hey, laughing at my jokes constitutes "participation in developer meeting" in MY book!
16:18 hbrennan jeff: Sweet!
16:19 berick jeff++
16:22 Dyrcona :)
16:24 Dyrcona jeff++
16:24 geoffsams jeff: I think I'll adopt that policy going forward
16:24 geoffsams jeff++
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16:25 mmorgan Some days, just existing is truly a challenge ;-)
16:26 hbrennan mmorgan: amen to that
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18:08 bmills has anyone had any experience using ingram's iMatch tool? we had a library inquire about it
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