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remingtron |
@later tell yboston: Do we have a date for the next DIG meeting? June 2 (first Thurs) is Bug Squashing Day. |
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pinesol_green |
remingtron: The operation succeeded. |
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kmlussier |
Good morning #evergreen |
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kmlussier |
@coffee [someone] |
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* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a cup of Kenya Peaberry Ruera Estate, and sends it sliding down the bar to edoceo |
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kmlussier |
@tea [someone] |
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* pinesol_green |
brews and pours a pot of Wild Snow Sprout Tea, and sends it sliding down the bar to rashma (http://ratetea.com/tea/wild-tea-qi/wild-snow-sprout-tea/6447/) |
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mmorgan |
kmlussier: Good Morning! |
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mdriscoll |
I have setup sip targets for Overdrive and other services that need patron authentication. Now I am setting up a login for a self check. Should I create a new institution code for the self check or do people use one code for everything? |
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rhamby_ |
mdriscoll: you're probably fine with one institution code |
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mdriscoll |
rhamby_: Thanks! That makes it simple. |
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jeff |
I'm going to throw out my usual recommendation that SIP2 is a terrible choice for third party authentication, with the understanding that getting vendors to use/support something else can be an uphill battle, your environment is not my environment, etc. |
| 09:30 |
mdriscoll |
jeff: what's the alternative? |
| 09:31 |
* jeff |
scribbles notes to self to flesh out the whole thing for handy reference |
| 09:31 |
jeff |
mdriscoll: it varies by vendor. in some cases there may be no current alternative, which is unfortunate. |
| 09:32 |
jeff |
mdriscoll: in the case of OverDrive, we have libraries using EZproxy auth (where the vendor only gets an opaque token from us representing the patron, and then whatever the patron opts to provide, like email address for holds) |
| 09:32 |
jeff |
mdriscoll: we also have libraries using a method where OverDrive sends us a request over HTTPS containing the patron barcode and we pass a go/no-go |
| 09:34 |
mdriscoll |
jeff: interesting. We do run ezproxy servers for our libraries. SIP2 is not encrypted, true? |
| 09:39 |
rhamby_ |
mdriscoll: SIP2 is not encrypted but you can run it over an encrypted tunnel |
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jeff |
not by default. it should be tunnelled over TLS or SSH or another less-common method if passing over the Internet |
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* tsbere |
finds that some vendors have no options to speak of |
| 09:41 |
jeff |
The frustrating part is that many vendors default to SIP2 because it's easy/common and what lots of libraries know. There's a cycle in there. |
| 09:41 |
jeff |
When asking one vendor why they supported/preferred SIP2, the response was "purely business reasons -- it's what libraries are asking for". |
| 09:41 |
tsbere |
At least SIP2 is better than referrer authentication... |
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rhamby_ |
tsbere: or barcode pattern matching /shudder |
| 09:42 |
jeff |
That social network with a penchant for spamming all of your contacts now has access to library patron circulation records. This is pretty sad. |
| 09:42 |
tsbere |
rhamby_: I prefer barcode pattern matching to referrer. <_< |
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jeff |
referrer or barcode pattern matching are "weak" forms of patron validation but have far fewer privacy implications. This is assuming that any private data maintained in the vendor account is protected by some means other than "just" that used for patron validation, of course. |
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tsbere |
jeff: At least barcode pattern matching isn't broken by browser settings, defaults, security packages, attempts to encrypt authentication before you reach things... |
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jeff |
mdriscoll: and of course I realized part way through that conversation that you weren't setting up vendor auth via SIP2 new today, but that those were all existing setups, and the new thing today was the self checkout client. :-) |
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dbs |
kmlussier++ |
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csharp |
@blame sleazy vendors |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: It's all sleazy vendors's fault! |
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csharp |
I've been dealing with hardware and collocation vendors all morning :-/ |
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bshum |
chocolate++ |
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phasefx |
any objections (or ideas) to me reworking the IRC page to better promote the web gateway? |
| 13:30 |
bshum |
phasefx: +1, for sure |
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bshum |
I think that the link for #evergreen only works if you have a client that can talk to it, right? |
| 13:31 |
phasefx |
probably |
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jwoodard |
good afternoon Evergreen! |
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phasefx |
might prompt you to install something |
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rhamby_ |
Probably should just remove the IRC link (have the info but as a non-link). |
| 13:34 |
phasefx |
sounds good to me |
| 13:34 |
bshum |
Maybe we can add the IRC gateway as a shortcut too on the "Community Links" section |
| 13:35 |
bshum |
Something like "Join IRC!" pointed at the web gateway? |
| 13:35 |
tsbere |
Wait, we aren't allowed to say "freenode #evergreen" and laugh at anyone who can't find us? ;) |
| 13:37 |
* bshum |
puts a link there for now, but will see if anyone thinks of better wording for it |
| 13:38 |
phasefx |
bshum: tweaked, https://evergreen-ils.org/communicate/irc/ |
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bshum |
phasefx++ |
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kmlussier |
phasefx++ bshum++ #Web site tweaks |
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csharp |
getting some interesting feedback from the "how could we improve PINES" free-form answers from the PINES annual survey |
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csharp |
one thing we were just discussing here in the office was that there are many complaints about renewals being blocked by holds when there are available copies on shelves in other libraries |
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csharp |
and checkin does trigger the "are there any holds that this copy can fulfill" check and that's what's biting them |
| 15:03 |
csharp |
(since a renewal is a checkin) |
| 15:05 |
kmlussier |
csharp: You probably want to use the Minimum Available Copy/Hold Ratio in your circ policies for renewals |
| 15:05 |
berick |
and check the value of circ.block_renews_for_holds |
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berick |
org setting |
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csharp |
kmlussier: berick: I'll check those - thanks |
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kmlussier |
csharp: berick provided a fairly good explanation on how the ratios work in this email thread. http://markmail.org/message/wy6d7cvhcwrvi3tq |
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berick |
i typed so young back then |
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csharp |
awwww |
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kmlussier |
berick++ |
| 15:18 |
csharp |
kmlussier++ # thanks |
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csharp |
we currently have that YAOUS set to "True" at the consortium level, since we *do* want renews blocked if there's a need for that copy, but it sounds like it's pretty either/or |
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berick |
csharp: right, you'll need the ratios for more nuanced control |
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csharp |
meaning we would want it to block only when there are no other copies that could fulfill the hold |
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csharp |
okay - I'll look at that now :-) |
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dbs |
Finally added this after rediscovering many variants of it over the years; it's not the best possible method but good enough damnit: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=scratchpad:random_magic_spells#generating_a_sql_report_with_natural_titles |
| 15:47 |
tsbere |
dbs: Instead of the regexp_replace and btrim, why not just use array_to_string? |
| 15:48 |
* tsbere |
will admit to not having tried it, but has been using array_to_string recently elsewhere |
| 15:50 |
* tsbere |
has now tried both and isn't sure but thinks that something is going wrong with a few titles on the regexp/btrim version in his test set |
| 15:52 |
tsbere |
AHA! The ones I am seeing oddities have an array member that is all digits, such as '{1941,"[sound recording]."}', which doesn't play right with the regexp_replace. |
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dbwells |
dbs: thanks for sharing! Have your variants included uses of oils_xpath_string()? That's been our go-to for a while, but also not perfect, so just curious about any +/- you've noted. |
| 16:01 |
* dbwells |
will try dbs's method the next time he needs something like this and see how it goes |
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Bmagic |
has anyone crafted a report that shows bibs where the last item (of your system) was deleted? |
| 16:07 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: If what I think you are asking is what you are asking I know *how* to write such a report |
| 16:07 |
Bmagic |
well yes |
| 16:07 |
Bmagic |
the catch is, I dont want to see the bib if we (our group) of branches still owns a non deleted copy of it |
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tsbere |
Bmagic: Maybe try something like this? "HAVING MIN(acp.deleted::integer) = 1" |
| 16:08 |
tsbere |
Any non-deleted copies and min will be 0, not 1 |
| 16:08 |
tsbere |
(joins and such are left to you) |
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Bmagic |
using the evergreen reports interface, I can mess what that? Aggregate filter? |
| 16:09 |
tsbere |
Using that interface I don't know how to |
| 16:09 |
Bmagic |
I can easily make the report with sql, I have that covered |
| 16:09 |
tsbere |
I would likely need to make a new source for the evergreen interface |
| 16:09 |
Bmagic |
I want to make a template that our libraries can use |
| 16:11 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: I would rig up something as an embedded SQL "view" in the IDL if you can, linking bib + call number + copy, then group by system or branch as you want/need |
| 16:12 |
Bmagic |
I suppose I could do that |
| 16:14 |
dbs |
tsbere, dbwells as i said it's probably not the best, if you find better/simpler please update it |
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* tsbere |
forgets his login information <_< |
| 16:15 |
tsbere |
I suppose I can give resetting my password a try |
| 16:16 |
dbwells |
dbs: sure, just wondering about paths already tread. Nothing I've tried has been bulletproof, so happy to see something new to try. Thanks again. |
| 16:17 |
* dbwells |
goes to try things out |
| 16:18 |
dbs |
array_to_string(XPATH('//marc:datafield[@tag="245"][1]//text()', marc::XML, ARRAY[ARRAY['marc', 'http://www.loc.gov/MARC21/slim']]), ' ') -- I guess? sure |
| 16:18 |
* tsbere |
has gotten his password reset and changed the snippet |
| 16:19 |
* tsbere |
has also updated his email address, now that he has thought about it |
| 16:26 |
dbwells |
dbs: borrowed some ideas from what you posted and combined with what we've done recently, it's not bad in testing; pasting... |
| 16:26 |
pastebot |
"dbwells" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "another quick title option" (1 line) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/26 |
| 16:26 |
dbwells |
I've got a report request I'll try it in and see what uglies turn up. |
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dbs |
tsbere++ |
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dbs |
dbwells++ |
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dbs |
So happy to finally have that stuff out of my head / your heads and in a communally-accessible spot :) |
| 16:57 |
jeff |
it bugs me that pastebot is ephemeral. |
| 16:58 |
jeff |
i should fix that. |
| 16:58 |
tsbere |
dbs++ for starting the whole thing |
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jwoodard |
@librarian |
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pinesol_green |
jwoodard: Management:14, Cataloging:13, Acquisitions:14, Reference:9, Circulation:13, Systems:14, Research:18, Custodial:10 |
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* jwoodard |
thinks that is a good roll |
| 17:21 |
* jwoodard |
thinks the channel needs another original evergreen themed haiku from yours truly |
| 17:31 |
jwoodard |
Cannot be deleted, Circulations by Hour of the Day v1.6. Delete outputs please... |
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bshum |
Updated Wordpress, and decided to change the link for IRC chat to use the https version since it is available. |
