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| 09:10 |
JBoyer |
kmlussier++ # restoretruth |
| 09:12 |
rhamby |
Should we have stickers with the Evergreen logo that say "Restore Truth to the Login Screen"? |
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JBoyer |
Depends on how far down the in-joke rabbit hole we want to take our swag, I suppose. :D |
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| 09:24 |
jeff |
There may come a day when I find and fix a bug without tripping over additional bugs, but today is not that day. |
| 09:25 |
bos20k |
Hello. I am working on a test server where I basically installed the same version of Evergreen 2.9 over itself again after upgrading Ubuntu. Now I am getting an internal server error and seeing this in the Apache log: |
| 09:25 |
bos20k |
May 27 09:22:17 maul apache2[1268]: [perl:error] [pid 1268] [client 10.1.99.151:51245] egweb: Context Loader error: Can't locate object method "search_asset_copy_location_group" via package "OpenILS::Utils::CStoreEditor" at /usr/local/share/perl/5.18.2/OpenILS/WWW/EGCatLoader/Util.pm line 648.\n |
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| 09:26 |
bos20k |
Any ideas? I was looking at the Perl modules and I am not seeing a problem compared to a production machine that is working. |
| 09:27 |
jeff |
bos20k: my immediate suspicion is that your fm_IDL.xml file is invalid. |
| 09:29 |
jeff |
if you don't have xmllint installed, you can install it with: apt-get install libxml2-utils |
| 09:30 |
jeff |
then you can check to see that your fm_IDL.xml file is valid XML: |
| 09:30 |
bos20k |
jeff: fm_IDL.xml is identical to working production |
| 09:30 |
jeff |
xmllint --noout /openils/conf/fm_IDL.xml && echo OK |
| 09:30 |
jeff |
okay, on to the next suspicion, then! :-) |
| 09:31 |
bos20k |
jeff: checked it with xmllint anyway and it is good |
| 09:31 |
jeff |
see if all of your services are properly running -- if you use the default "localhost" method and don't declare individual hosts in opensrf.xml, you'd use: osrf_control -l --diagnostic |
| 09:33 |
jeff |
all of the lines of output should have a process id, uptime, and cputime. other than the lines for the routers, services should also have a count of drones, like this: |
| 09:33 |
jeff |
* open-ils.search [26283] uptime=16:56:41 cputime=00:00:00 #drones=1 |
| 09:34 |
jeff |
everything look reasonable there, or do you have some lines that indicate something amiss? |
| 09:34 |
jeff |
like: |
| 09:34 |
jeff |
* ERR open-ils.booking Has PID file entry [26259], which matches no running open-ils.booking processes |
| 09:34 |
jeff |
or: |
| 09:34 |
jeff |
* open-ils.booking is not running |
| 09:34 |
bos20k |
jeff: no errors there |
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| 09:35 |
jeff |
(booking was just a sacrificial service on a handy test system to get the output samples -- don't focus on that service in particular) |
| 09:35 |
bos20k |
all seem to be running |
| 09:36 |
Dyrcona |
booking isn't required anyway, unless you're using it. |
| 09:36 |
bos20k |
just got another error on the console where I started things: |
| 09:36 |
bos20k |
actorauth_proxyCouldn't draw /openils/var/web/reporter/4682/26626/86689/report-data.html.bar.gif : No attribute 'shading' |
| 09:36 |
bos20k |
No data sets or points at /openils/bin/clark-kent.pl line 800. |
| 09:36 |
bos20k |
Couldn't draw /openils/var/web/reporter/4569/25188/87096/report-data.html.bar.gif : No attribute 'shading' |
| 09:36 |
bos20k |
No data sets or points at /openils/bin/clark-kent.pl line 800. |
| 09:36 |
jeff |
bos20k: I've seen similar errors to those you report when a particular Perl file has a syntax or other error. I'm not remembering the most common culprits, so I'm going to suggest a restart in a particular way: |
| 09:37 |
jeff |
stop apache, using whatever you'd normally use, like "service apache2 stop" |
| 09:37 |
jeff |
stop opensrf services, using something like osrf_control -l --stop-all |
| 09:37 |
jeff |
(you need to stop apache as the root user, and stop opensrf services as the opensrf user) |
| 09:37 |
bos20k |
Both done |
| 09:37 |
jeff |
then (as the opensrf user) start opensrf services with osrf_control -l --start-all |
| 09:38 |
Dyrcona |
bos20k: On the server, you can run perl -c /usr/local/share/perl/5.18.2/OpenILS/WWW/EGCatLoader/Util.pm to check the syntax of that file. |
| 09:38 |
jeff |
(again, the -l is common but you might not use it if you define individual hostnames in your opensrf.xml file -- you'll probably know if you do) |
| 09:38 |
jeff |
now, before starting apache, use osrf_control -l --diagnostic |
| 09:38 |
jeff |
ensure that everything appears to be up there |
| 09:38 |
Dyrcona |
bos20k: Then I'd run perl -c /usr/local/share/perl/5.18.2/OpenILS/Utils/CstoreEditor.pm |
| 09:39 |
jeff |
(and yes, please take a moment either now or after starting apache to check what Dyrcona is suggesting) |
| 09:39 |
Dyrcona |
If it isn't the IDL, then my suspicion is the latter file has a syntax error. |
| 09:39 |
bos20k |
Oh my goodness. I am so sorry for wasting your time. I completely forgot about that - Apache needing to be started AFTER Evergreen... |
| 09:39 |
Dyrcona |
But it wouldn't even load then.... hmmm... |
| 09:40 |
Dyrcona |
Oh, that might do it, too. :) |
| 09:40 |
jeff |
bos20k: ah, that fixed it, then? |
| 09:40 |
bos20k |
Not enough sleep last night. |
| 09:40 |
bos20k |
jeff: yup |
| 09:40 |
Dyrcona |
bos20k++ |
| 09:40 |
* bos20k |
will just step away from the keyboard now. Too tired to continue... |
| 09:40 |
bos20k |
:) |
| 09:41 |
jeff |
great! now you've also gained some new techniques, and we've freshened our troubleshooting skills in terms of what to have people check first :-) |
| 09:50 |
Dyrcona |
Oh, man. My laptop is asking me to restart after an update..... BBIAB. |
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| 09:58 |
Dyrcona |
jeff++ |
| 09:59 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: So, turns out that more or less what you described for clearing the cache on an Android phone worked on mine. It's on Android 5.0.1. |
| 10:02 |
jeff |
ah, good deal. |
| 10:02 |
Dyrcona |
Yep, freed up 5.5GB of space in one swoop. |
| 10:03 |
Dyrcona |
I guess caches can build up over 3 years.... :) |
| 10:03 |
jeff |
Marshmallow introduces the ability to "adopt" the SD card as internal storage, which seems like it has a lot of advantages, as long as you have a decently fast SD card and you don't mind formatting it (and losing the ability to use it in other devices) |
| 10:03 |
jeff |
oh, not bad! |
| 10:03 |
jeff |
you've probably got a decent bit more room now. |
| 10:04 |
Dyrcona |
That's cool. I use the SD Card with the apps that support it. |
| 10:04 |
Dyrcona |
yeah, the internal stoage is 16GB and I have 64GB SD Card. |
| 10:04 |
Dyrcona |
I suppose I could move more apps to the SD Card.... What I said before isn't strictly true. |
| 10:05 |
Dyrcona |
I moved my default file locations for pictures and most documents to the SD Card. |
| 10:10 |
jeff |
if you've got 5.5 GB free you're not in a tough spot right now. i wouldn't worry about it much. i have... <500 MB free and will likely look into a new SD card that's fast enough to adopt without too much risk of killing performance. :-) |
| 10:23 |
Bmagic_ |
Im here at a training, bringing a new library on. I want to impress them here in the room. A qustion "Is there a reason the Actions for this record/selected rows menu items are apparently not in any paticular order?" |
| 10:24 |
* bshum |
thinks they're in the order they were added to the menu, in certain cases |
| 10:24 |
phasefx |
organic |
| 10:25 |
phasefx |
some thought process originally, I think, with menu entry dividers |
| 10:26 |
Bmagic_ |
thanks! |
| 10:27 |
phasefx |
in webby, it's much different |
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| 10:31 |
phasefx |
Bmagic: in webby, it's much different |
| 10:31 |
Bmagic |
gotcha, so, the dev server you are hacking on with the web client, has changes to the xul client menu order? |
| 10:31 |
jeff |
Can't locate diagnotics.pm in @INC (you may need to install the diagnotics module) (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.20.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.20.2 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.20 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.20 /usr/share/perl/5.20 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at test.pl line 4. |
| 10:32 |
jeff |
alas, the "use diagnostics" pragma can't help with this error. |
| 10:35 |
Dyrcona |
In Soviet Webby, menu adds you! |
| 10:36 |
bshum |
Dyrcona++ # haha :) |
| 10:36 |
phasefx |
Bmagic: no, no changes to the xul client menu order anywhere that I'm aware of. Just that the web-based staff client equivalent is way different |
| 10:36 |
* Dyrcona |
was about to say that's what I thought phasefx meant. |
| 10:37 |
Bmagic |
I see, I agree. we have been showing people how to use the web based staff client. |
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* Bmagic |
waves at rlefaive |
| 11:05 |
rlefaive |
Hi Bmagic! |
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| 12:01 |
jeff |
Is anyone here presently aware of anyone making use of the (unfortunately spelled) patron_calculate_recal_ok SIP option? |
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jeff |
oh, right -- found bug 1093883 |
| 12:10 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1093883 in Evergreen "SIP recall_ok test always returns false" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1093883 |
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| 13:21 |
Dyrcona |
Wow. Haven't thought about that bug in a while. |
| 13:22 |
kmlussier |
@weather |
| 13:22 |
pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Seekonk, MA :: Partly Cloudy :: 72F/22C | Friday: Sunshine and clouds mixed. High 79F. Winds S at 10 to 20 mph. Friday Night: Partly cloudy. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. Low 63F. Winds SSW at 10 to 15 mph. |
| 13:24 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: Is it causing you an issue, or are you just curious? |
| 13:25 |
Dyrcona |
@weather 01845 |
| 13:25 |
pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: North Andover, MA :: Clear :: 78F/26C | Friday: Mostly sunny. High 82F. Winds SSE at 5 to 10 mph. Friday Night: Partly cloudy. A stray shower or thunderstorm is possible. Low around 65F. Winds SSW at 5 to 10 mph. |
| 13:26 |
kmlussier |
miker / gmcharlt: If the issue I found while testing 1549505 is unrelated to the activity metric code, should it be posted in a separate branch so that it can be backported? |
| 13:27 |
miker |
kmlussier: we could create a separate patch for backporting, but the patch in that branch does touch code that is also touched by activity metric |
| 13:27 |
gmcharlt |
what mike said |
| 13:28 |
kmlussier |
OK, thanks! I'm going to try out the new branch now. |
| 13:28 |
gmcharlt |
in particular, the DB update can't just be cherry-picked |
| 13:46 |
jeff |
Dyrcona: no issue, the spelling caught my eye and I was curious about the use case. The bug answered my questions. |
| 13:47 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: Cool. I was just curious. |
| 13:59 |
jeff |
i pulled at one too many SIP threads and now I find myself on the phone with a vendor asking them questions about their product's changed behavior |
| 14:09 |
jeff |
they had no answers for me. i tought them a few things. i devised my own theory and test plan. |
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| 14:22 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: I just stumbled across this comment while preparing for Bug Squashing Day. https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1501781/comments/38 |
| 14:22 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1501781 in Evergreen "Patron name search should be diacritic-insensitive" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Terran McCanna (tmccanna) |
| 14:22 |
kmlussier |
Is that something you still want to discuss? If so, I can add it to the draft agenda for our next dev meeting. |
| 14:22 |
kmlussier |
There are a couple of things I want to add there anyway for myself |
| 14:23 |
Dyrcona |
Yes, I think we should discuss it. |
| 14:23 |
Dyrcona |
Whether that is considered a bug fix or not, I think it does things that we should not backport. |
| 14:24 |
Dyrcona |
Also, I want to experiment with using Text::Unaccent::PurePerl because I think it does something that the database solution does not. |
| 14:24 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: For that particular bug, I didn't see any dissenting opinions on it being a new feature. So I think we're good there. |
| 14:24 |
Dyrcona |
I just haven't found time to look into it. |
| 14:24 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: Are you saying we should hold off on testing it? |
| 14:26 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier: Go ahead and test it. What I see is the unaccent Pg extension doesn't actually unaccent Greek or Cyrillic characters, but I think Text::Unaccent::PurePerl does unaccent Greek. |
| 14:26 |
Dyrcona |
I was thinking of running the Perl tests using Text::Unaccent::PurePerl just to see what output we get. |
| 14:27 |
Dyrcona |
gmcharlt shared something from Github that, IIRC, updates the unaccent database extension so it handles Greek characters. |
| 14:28 |
Dyrcona |
I guess if anyone wants to, they can remove the pullrequest tag. I won't be disappointed. I can't speak for dpearl. |
| 14:29 |
Dyrcona |
I'm OK with it as it is, is what I'm saying. |
| 14:29 |
Dyrcona |
y'know how it goes, you think you'll do something real-soon-now and next thing you know its two months later. |
| 14:30 |
Dyrcona |
Or more. |
| 14:32 |
Dyrcona |
I intended to look at during or just after the conference. |
| 14:33 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: Yup. I know how it is. |
| 14:33 |
* kmlussier |
stares at the remaining to-do list items for things that were supposed to be done by the end of today. |
| 14:33 |
terran |
I signed up to test it for bug squashing day, but I can hold off if there's not a concensus |
| 14:37 |
terran |
oh wait, I'm not sure I really understand enough of the implications to fully test anyhow |
| 14:39 |
* terran |
realizes she can't spell consensus, either |
| 14:39 |
Dyrcona |
Well, basically, if you have a patron with diacritics in the name, you can't find them unless you enter diacritics in the search. |
| 14:40 |
kmlussier |
terran: Ha ha ha. IMO, it improves the software, so is fair game for testing. |
| 14:40 |
Dyrcona |
The point of patch is to strip the diacritics when searching. |
| 14:40 |
Dyrcona |
Basically, so something like Frederick matches Frédérick. |
| 14:41 |
* Dyrcona |
seems to be omitting random articles in his typing today. |
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* Dyrcona |
triple checks his script to run for this weekend's patch update for typos. |
| 14:43 |
terran |
I'll keep my name on there for testing then, but everyone else feel free to jump in :) |
| 14:46 |
terran |
If it can solve the problem of odd spacing and apostrophes in names, then it will be hugely useful for us in Georgia. |
| 14:46 |
kmlussier |
terran: And hugely useful for us everywhere else too! :) |
| 14:48 |
Dyrcona |
I'm not sure it does anything with apostrophes or odd spacing. I'd have to look again. |
| 14:48 |
terran |
I haven't looked at the code - just based that on the initial report |
| 14:49 |
kmlussier |
I was hoping it would do something with hyphens. My recollection is that it does indeed handle odd spacing issues. |
| 14:49 |
terran |
From experience, I'd say we have more issues with spacing and apostrophes than diacritics because staff don't usually enter the names with the diacritics. Although, with more people using self-registration, this will probably change. |
| 14:51 |
terran |
kmlussier: hyphens would be great, too |
| 14:52 |
kmlussier |
OK, devs, we're ahead of schedule this month! Draft agenda for next week's meeting at http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:2016-06-01 |
| 14:52 |
terran |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:52 |
kmlussier |
I'll send a reminder out to the dev list. |
| 14:53 |
kmlussier |
But I first want to make sure key people can make it. |
| 14:53 |
kmlussier |
Particularly if their name is on the agenda. Or if they are an RM that might be reporting on 2.11 |
| 14:53 |
* terran |
is watching a LibraryAware webcast and the have a Kathy Lussier too |
| 14:54 |
kmlussier |
terran: Is that the Kathy Lussier from Novelist? |
| 14:54 |
terran |
kmlussier: yeah |
| 14:54 |
kmlussier |
I've been following her career through my vanity Googling. |
| 14:54 |
terran |
kmlussier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO-uoO4TWq8 |
| 14:55 |
kmlussier |
She used to be a spokeperson for Winn-Dixie years ago. And then I was shocked when I saw she made the jump to libraries. |
| 14:57 |
terran |
kmlussier: Ha! I have yet to find another Terran McCanna. |
| 14:57 |
terran |
kmlussier: Maybe she jumped to libraries after seeing your career progress! |
| 14:57 |
* kmlussier |
thinks she gained a FB friend through mistaken identity too. |
| 14:58 |
kmlussier |
terran: The funny thing is, I started off in communications before I was a librarian, so we have that in common too. |
| 15:01 |
Dyrcona |
Cue the Twilight Zone music..... |
| 15:07 |
terran |
Cousins, identical cousins |
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* Dyrcona |
wonder if LP 1208875 applies to 2.10. |
| 15:19 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1208875 in Evergreen "OPAC: My Account: Download Checkout History CSV breaks when there are a large number of items in the history" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208875 |
| 15:21 |
Dyrcona |
Guess I can check that next week. |
| 15:24 |
jeff |
I'd like to start using SIP2 AF messages for more things (we use them for a friendly "we need to update your information, please come to the desk" for expired patrons), but it appears that our self checkout kiosks no longer display the patron screen messages when the patron scans their card. |
| 15:24 |
jeff |
Best I can do it get them to appear on some receipts, and to appear if you've failed to auth with a pin. |
| 15:24 |
jeff |
(and probably on success when using a pin, but also not helpful) |
| 15:36 |
Stompro |
Interesting, our audit tables were never cleared out after our test loads, so they contain unrelated records with the same id numbers. I wonder if that is an issue? |
| 15:36 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: I see you've been assigned to bug 1437103 for a while. Are you still working on that one? |
| 15:36 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1437103 in Evergreen "unexpected popup dialogs appear at checkin" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1437103 - Assigned to Galen Charlton (gmc) |
| 15:36 |
* kmlussier |
also wonders if she should remove the pullrequest tag on it. |
| 15:37 |
gmcharlt |
yes and yes |
| 15:38 |
JBoyer |
Stompro: The auditor tables are never consulted by the system (they're essentially write-only) so aside from causing serious staff confusion you don't have to worry about it. That said, you can also blow away everything with an audit_time > your go-live date and nothing will mind. |
| 15:39 |
jeff |
@quote add <Jboyer> aside from causing serious staff confusion you don't have to worry about it. |
| 15:39 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: The operation succeeded. Quote #153 added. |
| 15:39 |
JBoyer |
WHOA, HEY. Maybe if you want to wipe out the old entries, you should use audit_time < your go live date. They would not be very useful the other way 'round. |
| 15:39 |
Dyrcona |
Stompro: We only keep a few of stuff in the auditor tables, 'cause some fill up quickly. |
| 15:40 |
Dyrcona |
s/few of/few months of/ |
| 15:41 |
Dyrcona |
I have found the auditors handy when staff want to know what happened with a patron, or there's a question if a recent bib record update touched a certain record. |
| 15:43 |
Stompro |
JBoyer, thanks, I was going to do a big series update, and having the old value as a "backup" is really nice. |
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| 16:10 |
kmlussier |
@quote random |
| 16:10 |
pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Quote #47: "< Dyrcona> The latest Perl is dying post I've seen is in a discussion thread in the Emacs community on G+." (added by csharp at 03:11 PM, March 27, 2013) |
| 16:10 |
Stompro |
Hmm, multiple tornades/cold funnels forming in town. Fun. |
| 16:10 |
kmlussier |
Stompro: I'm not sure we use the same definition for 'fun.' |
| 16:13 |
JBoyer |
kmlussier, Stompro: I'm willing to bet that means he can stop working for a bit, maybe chill out in a hallway. Depending on the day that's fun enough. (I've had several of those lately.) |
| 16:13 |
Stompro |
I'm in the basement already, so I can work right through a close hit. |
| 16:13 |
JBoyer |
Hmm. Then I agree with kmlussier, no fun. |
| 16:14 |
JBoyer |
(srsly though, I do hope everything is ok and minimal damage, etc.) |
| 16:14 |
jeffdavis |
terran: I just pushed an additional commit to my working branch for bug 1576435, but now I see you have assigned yourself to that bug |
| 16:14 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1576435 in Evergreen 2.9 "Force "Include inactive patrons?" on patron reg duplicate search" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1576435 |
| 16:15 |
Stompro |
They seem to be mostly harmless cold air funnels, nothing too big. |
| 16:15 |
Stompro |
http://media.graytvinc.com/images/492*350/Funnel+cloud+South+Moorhead+May+27+2016.jpg |
| 16:16 |
kmlussier |
jeffdavis: For testing on Bug Squashing Day. We haven't set up the Sandboxes yet, so we'll be able to grab the new commit. |
| 16:17 |
jeffdavis |
kmlussier: ah, perfect, I had hoped to test as part of Bug Squashing Day - I'll update the ticket |
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| 16:44 |
terran |
Stompro: "harmless"? |
| 16:44 |
terran |
Stompro: Be safe and good luck! |
| 16:45 |
terran |
jeffdavis: I can give you that one if you want |
| 16:45 |
Stompro |
terran, so far, they are just like big dust devils with no energy behind them, even when they touch down they don't do any damage. |
| 16:47 |
terran |
I'm tornado-shy after living in Florida for 8 years. One smashed pieces of small aircraft through the ciner block walls of a library I worked at - fortunately, it was Christmas day, the only time campus was empty |
| 16:47 |
Stompro |
They just gave the all clear, tornado warning lapsed. Yeah!! |
| 16:47 |
terran |
Phew! |
| 16:50 |
terran |
jeffdavis: to rephrase - I can send you the sandbox info once it's set up so that you can test your fixes on the web client too |
| 16:53 |
jeffdavis |
terran: sure, that would be great, thanks |
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kmlussier |
Have a nice weekend #evergreen! |
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kmlussier |
docs.evergreen-ils.org appears to be down |
| 18:17 |
kmlussier |
I need to run, but maybe somebody else has a moment to poke rsoulliere |
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* kmlussier |
leaves for real this time. :) |
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jeff |
Enough of mohawk is offline that I doubt it's worth trying to reach rsoulliere. |
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jeff |
docs.evergreen-ils.org appears to be reachable again, presumably along with the rest of Mohawk College. :-) |
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