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Results for 2016-01-28

10:05	Dyrcona	Bmagic: When I need to tune a Pg installation, I usually spend days pouring over wiki pages and conference slides, and then twiddle things until it is "fast enough."
10:05	csharp	Bmagic: do you have more than one RAID controller?
10:05	csharp	Dyrcona: that's my current method too ;-)
10:05	Bmagic	Dyrcona: what method do you use to test speed?
10:06	tsbere	JBoyer: For reference, I found that "search in their system" and "login to their system" didn't play nice together in the same link. So I skipped the "search" part.
10:06	csharp	Bmagic: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/runtime-config-connection.html and following explain every setting in pretty good detail
10:06	Dyrcona	Bmagic: None that's worth mentioning.
10:07	Bmagic	csharp: ty
10:07	Dyrcona	I might time some scripts, etc.
10:08	JBoyer	I'd like to someday pull an entire day's worth of queries from the logs, keep the dump from that day; clean up any that don't play nice, then see how long it takes to replay that day on a fresh reload. It would be easy to see how big an impact settings changes make across that level of activity. It's more difficult to improve everything when you can only really test this or that slow query.
10:08	csharp	Bmagic: check 'top' for high wait when things are slow - it might mean you need to reevaluate your disk setup - we're on SSDs now, but when we were on spinning disks, adding a second RAID controller solved all our problems
10:08	Bmagic	csharp: changing hardware isn't in the cards right now. The fact is, 9.2 was faster
10:08	Bmagic	on the same hardware
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12:51	Dyrcona	@decide make new test accounts or crack passwords on existing test accounts?
12:51	pinesol_green	Dyrcona: go with crack passwords on existing test accounts?
12:56	RoganH	Clearly that would take less time. Or at least be less tedious. One of those.
12:58	Dyrcona	Assuming that the majority of the test accounts have four digits for the password, yes.

Results for 2016-01-27

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08:25	csharp	Bmagic: regarding DB differences between 2.8.2/2.9.1 and autosuggest, what's more likely (from our experience with moving to 9.3 and 9.4) is that the query planner in postgres is working differently than before - if you have (or can assemble) a test server with the old version of EG/PG, you might be able to track the difference in the queries created - then it's a matter of DB and EG query tuning
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09:38	Dyrcona	Wonder if it did that yesterday and I missed it.
09:38	Dyrcona	kmlussier: Thanks!
09:40	Dyrcona	I don't really have time to sort this right now. I'd have to do a clean install. It could be something going on with running the scripts twice.
09:47	JBoyer	Dyrcona: Does it have that problem with just grunt build, or only grunt all? Skipping the tests may not be ideal, but if it gets things moving on your test server it could always be investigated later.
09:48	Dyrcona	JBoyer: Good question, and if I knew enough about it, I would have tried that before blowing out the VM and building a fresh one. :)
09:48	Dyrcona	JBoyer: Don't think I'm intelligent. I am only a bot following a script. :)
09:49	* Dyrcona	is a total newb when it comes to Node.js and friends.
11:31	pinesol_green	kmlussier: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
11:48	berick	dbwells: fix pushed. I'm working on a follow up patch to make some things more efficient. specifically, reduce the number of times we have to look up the root unit unit ID from the database and use cstore instead of storage for perm checks.
11:48	berick	the API call will get (intentionally) slower w/ bcrypt, so may as well make some other parts faster/leaner
11:49	Dyrcona	JBoyer: grunt build works. Guess it is a test that fails.
11:55	JBoyer	That's good. (for certain values of good...) The specific test that I had fail on me was somehow related to our fmIDL.xml file and either permissions or paths, so I wasn't too worried about it at the time,
11:55	JBoyer	.
11:56	Dyrcona	kmlussier: FWIW, my dev vm is running with the branches we discussed.
11:56	kmlussier	Dyrcona: Great, thank you!

Results for 2016-01-26

10:18	* csharp	just turned 42 - so far everything is just as mysterious as before
10:20	* Dyrcona	is mumble mumble years old....
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10:47	csharp	hmm - looks like the new hold_request_capture_protect_idx index is preventing item checkin with no useful errors to the end user
10:48	csharp	duplicate key value violates unique constraint "hold_request_capture_protect_idx" - DETAIL: Key (current_copy)=(14779072) already exists.
10:48	csharp	seems like something the application layer should be testing before it tries to update the hold row
10:49	csharp	rather than failing gracelessly
10:51	csharp	32e415a2
10:51	pinesol_green	[evergreen\|Mike Rylander] LP#902255: Protect against hold double-capture - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=32e415a>
10:51	csharp	hmm
10:51	* csharp	checks that util.js and circ.properties is up-to-date
11:27	kmlussier	I may have misunderstood, but I didn't think the code in question only comes into play for asynchronous checkin. It was just higlighted as one occurance where double capture can happen.
11:28	pinesol_green	[evergreen\|Jason Stephenson] Forward port 2.9.0 to 2.9.1 db upgrade script. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ea474a9>
11:29	csharp	kmlussier: yeah, I'm asking them to try with the checkbox unchecked, but it still looks like there's some bugaboo lurking there
11:29	kmlussier	Yeah, looking at my notes on bug 902255, I was able to replicate the bug without asynchronous checkin being selected. In testing, the user-friendly error message did appear.
11:29	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 902255 in Evergreen "possible to double-scan an item during check-in and have it captured by two holds" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/902255
11:31	csharp	kmlussier: your comment #7 there is exactly what was reported to m
11:31	csharp	e
15:45	Bmagic	jeffdavis: I wonder why we didn't have this problem on 9.2 ?
15:47	jeffdavis	We figured it had more to do with needing to vacuum after the PG+EG upgrade.
15:48	jeffdavis	Hard to say, though. At least I don't think we had any definitive evidence of our conclusion.
15:51	csharp	more info on that unapi.bre error - all I've seen and tested appear to be kid's titles, so the KPAC is suspect
15:51	csharp	@blame kpac
15:51	pinesol_green	csharp: kpac forgot to give the gerbils their chocolate-frosted sugar bombs
15:58	dbwells	berick: Got the validate bits in place for AuthProxy.pm. I pushed it (plus your latest fix) out to production here locally, and am going to let it chill for a bit before pushing back to the collab branch. At this point in the day, probably going to be tomorrow.
15:59	Bmagic	jeffdavis: now that I am looking at config.tt2 I dont see where to turn off autosuggest. I would have expected to see the setting there. where is use_autosuggest.enabled ? Should I just set that variable in config.tt2?

Results for 2016-01-22

09:11	Dyrcona	mdriscoll: That's interesting. We were talking about something similar this morning...
09:11	jboyer-isl	Ah, we're going to be leaning toward extracts/uploads with Z for availability.
09:12	Dyrcona	mdriscoll: I'll share the branch in a few minutes.
09:12	mdriscoll	Dyrcona: great I'll test it.
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09:16	Dyrcona	And the search that was mentioned as a problem "harry potter rowling" works.
09:19	mdriscoll	Here's another z39.50 search with punctuation: Monsters inc (CW-9, NOBLE-3, MVLC-594)
10:30	berick	https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1384740
10:30	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1384740 in Evergreen "Add authority records support to marc stream importer (Connexion)" [Wishlist,Fix committed]
10:30	berick	it's in master
10:31	jboyer-isl	berick: Huzzah! Apparently not in the 2.9.cough version I upgraded us to, but we would be happy to apply some additional in-production testing. :D
10:32	berick	awesome. we've been using the updated script for bib imports. planning to use it for auth soon.
10:34	jboyer-isl	One of your comments referenced bug 1171984 that was released sometime in 2.8, does that mean anything needs to be changed to address it, or did the options just not do anything until that bug was closed?
10:34	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1171984 in Evergreen "add support in Vandelay for overlaying authorities during import using match sets" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171984
11:07	yboston	remingtron: thanks
11:08	yboston	yboston: y por cierto muchas felicidades con lo de de tu familia
11:09	yboston	remingtron: y por cierto muchas felicidades con lo de de tu familia
11:21	rjackson_isl	berick++ - first import using patched importer and correct parameters worked - next test will be the authority side
11:22	rjackson_isl	inclued both an overlay and new recs in one imput file...
11:22	rjackson_isl	s/inclued/included
11:23	berick	sweet
11:24	jboyer-isl	Bummer. A parallel reingest is no sweat for the database, but slony does not like it one bit. :-/
11:25	Dyrcona	Alas, poor Slony. I knew him well, Horatio.
16:48	kmlussier	Dyrcona: I was thinking it might be first by database ID. Because Magazine is not first alphabetically on webby
16:48	kmlussier	Dyrcona: Oh, so that's a problem.
16:48	kmlussier	We need an Unset there.
16:48	jihpringle	yboston: I ran into a few bugs while testing, do you know what the best way to report web client bugs is?
16:48	Dyrcona	Well, you should be able to add a copy without a circ modifier, I think.
16:48	* kmlussier	wanders off to Launchpad.
16:49	kmlussier	And this is why it always takes me so long to work on documentation. :)
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17:37	kmlussier	jihpringle: For bug 1537227, the problem is that you aren't using a registered workstation.
17:37	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1537227 in Evergreen "Web Client: Navigation Buttons in Catalogue Not Working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537227
17:38	kmlussier	We came across that one in testing.
17:38	jihpringle	kmlussier: thanks, I thought it seemed familar
17:38	kmlussier	Which is why it's really, really important that we have a way to require workstation registration before the web client is rolled in production. There are several things that don't work as expected without a workstation.
17:39	jihpringle	yes, that;s definitely crucial

Results for 2016-01-21

13:31	mllewellyn	IF VENDACCT == '336033V' AND VENDCODE == '1084'; ORG_UNIT_SAN = '336033V'; END;
13:32	mllewellyn	I can't figure where this LOC thing comes in.
13:32	berick	mllewellyn: oh! I should have finished reading..
13:33	mllewellyn	I wish it were the SAN issue. :(
13:35	mllewellyn	From our test order. They added the LOC line to show me what they're expecting.
13:35	mllewellyn	UNB+UNOB:3+336033V:31B+1556150:31B+160113:1310+1' UNH+1+ORDERS:D:96A:UN' BGM+220+21423+9' DTM+137:20160113:102' NAD+BY+336033V 1084::91' NAD+SU+1556150::31B' NAD+SU+2563::92' CUX+2:USD:9' LIN+420651++6315949045:IB' PIA+5+6315949045:IB' IMD+F+BTI+:::Cinderella' IMD+F+BPU+:::Walt Disney Pictures,' IMD+F+BPD+:::2015.' IMD+F+BPH+:::1 videodisc (112 min.) ' QTY+21:5' GIR+001+BRDGOM:LLO++1:LQT+acquisitions:LST+
13:37	berick	mllewellyn: hm, we use the LCO (copy id) field, but I don't recall using LOC
13:38	* Dyrcona	misspoke earlier. I don't have to strip quotes off the term. I misunderstood my error. :)
13:38	mllewellyn	This is for Enriched AV processing.
15:22	kmlussier	Yikes. Yeah, record buckets can only handle so many records.
15:23	phasefx	might be better in the web client with paging
15:23	Stompro	phasefx, thanks, I wasn't finding anything but wanted to double check. I need to change the item_type on 20K large print titles and I'm just trying to find the best way. I was going to try and use the marc batch edit function.
15:23	kmlussier	phasefx: You said xul client. Is there hope there will be improvement in this respect in the web client? My webby testing has been limited to buckets with 50 records.
15:23	Dyrcona	And, that is why I write so many custom scripts.
15:23	miker	if you just use them for container searches, never accessed as a list, that could be useful
15:23	phasefx	kmlussier: I think there's always hope. Not sure what the current performance is with webby

Results for 2016-01-20

14:12	krvmga	me, too
14:12	yboston	we can swithc to that in a second. I had a goal to talk a bit about the web client hacking and we already spoke a little abotu it
14:13	sandbergja_	sounds good to me
14:13	yboston	liek I said I will send out a link in the morning. I will also start a Google hangout in the morning
14:13	yboston	the wiki page will have login info for a test serve that can be used to document the web client
14:14	yboston	#link https://webby.evergreencatalog.com/eg/staff/
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14:14	yboston	I think that is about it. We might want to check in the morning to verify what everyone will work on
14:15	yboston	at this point we can switch to talking about the re-org
14:16	yboston	#topic docs re-org
14:16	yboston	go ahead
14:16	sandbergja_	I think that there was a lot of excitement when we talked about it on the mailing list
14:17	krvmga	when i originally talked about this idea, i was thinking of "books" for different staff
14:17	yboston	#link http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:reorg_2014
14:34	sandbergja_	yes, yboston++
14:34	dluch	yes! yboston++
14:35	sandbergja_	how hard would that be to achieve technically?
14:35	yboston	#idea use the new re-org layout for storing the new web client docs
14:36	yboston	my rough understanding is...
14:36	yboston	that Robert Soulliere would need to do some config set ups on his docs server
14:36	yboston	to handle a new set of templates for the new re-org
14:37	yboston	though we might want to have a final decision on the re-org style before we start this, though we can just do soemtests
14:37	yboston	*some tests
14:38	yboston	in some ways it might not be that differnt from when Robert set ups the docs foreach new version of EG
14:39	yboston	lets talk about sandbergja_ list of concers, which are very important
14:39	yboston	1) when to meet next 2) how to get more people involved
14:40	yboston	I added 3) what risks shoudl we address, I would also add 4) do we have a final re-org that we can follow
14:40	sandbergja_	I feel like we got some consensus around (1)
14:40	yboston	any other cocnenrs or ideas that we should keep in mind, that perhaps sandbergja_ and I can add to the re-org page in preparation for the eventual re-org meeting?
14:41	krvmga	i have no others atm

Results for 2016-01-15

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08:33	jboyer-isl	Anyone around who can remind me (if we have) our policy on the pullrequest tag on LP? Wait for outside testing confirmation first, or apply when there's a branch ready to test?
08:36	Dyrcona	jboyer-isl: Put it on when you have a branch ready to test.
08:36	jboyer-isl	That's what I figured, thanks Dyrcona.
08:37	Dyrcona	Branches sometimes get pushed without the bug ever being confirmed.
08:38	* Dyrcona	deals with the aftermath of having changed his email password.

Results for 2016-01-14

14:27	jeff	it's also why patrons with max items out get charge_ok set to N and can't use a 3M selfcheck
14:27	Bmagic	I see, so it's by design
14:28	Bmagic	presumably, if the patron didnt have any penalties, they would be able to renew
14:28	jeff	i'd test to confirm that's what you're running into.
14:28	Bmagic	I will remove the penalty and try to renew, just a minute
14:28	jeff	and i wouldn't say "by design"
14:29	jeff	it's just that penalties have become more nuanced and granular, and there's room for improvement in the SIP code now.

Results for 2016-01-13

16:26	tsbere	jeff: Basically, if the holdable flags say "no" it doesn't put them in. But it doesn't run the hold rules for every copy before putting them in the map.
16:27	tsbere	So a holdable false copy, location, or status means "no map created". The copy always hitting "not holdable" in the hold matrix won't stop maps from being created.
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16:57	jeff	and ahcm is used for at least: opportunistic hold capture, checkout fills related hold, and hold queue stats. also, copy-hold ratios in circ matrix tests.
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20:42	bshum	@sortinghat
20:42	pinesol_green	Hmm... bshum... Let me see now... GRYFFINDOR!
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21:12	miker	jeff: tl;dr -> flags are likely to stay the same over hold-ish time periods, so no map. rule based disqualification is both more complicated and less static (or, that's the supposition) so we make the mapping in hopes that the copy will test "OK for hold" in hold-ish time periods.
21:13	miker	hth
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Results for 2016-01-12

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10:48	Bmagic	Dyrcona: it looks like it's money.payment from this line my $last_payment = $e->search_money_payment(..... then return 1 if ($payment_ts + $interval_secs >= $now);
10:50	Dyrcona	I thought so, but wasn't sure any more.
10:50	kmlussier	That's my recollection from testing.
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11:10	Bmagic	Does anyone have a library that controls access to the public workstations via login? That uses SIP backend?
11:40	kmlussier	jboyer-isl: I got the reference. :)
11:41	Dyrcona	We use 9.3 in production and 9.1 on development/training.
11:42	Dyrcona	'Cause we've been too lazy to upgrade the second db server.
11:52	csharp	kmlussier: we're moving to 9.4 this weekend - been testing on it for months on two test servers with no issues
11:53	kmlussier	csharp: Awesome! I'll be interested in hearing how things go in production.
12:51	jeff	_bott_: is GRPL also running 9.4 in production?
12:52	dbwells_	kmlussier: We've been on 9.4 in production since 12/22. So far, so good.
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13:48	csharp	@dunno
13:48	pinesol_green	csharp: I see nothing, I know nothing!
13:49	jeffdavis	I'm working on a new feature in the staff client. We're not using the web client locally yet, but if I am adding it there for feature parity, I guess I'd better know how to test it. :)
13:49	csharp	@quote random
13:49	pinesol_green	csharp: Quote #67: "< Rogan_Ni> Star Wars" (added by berick at 01:38 PM, September 17, 2013)
13:49	Dyrcona	csharp++
17:27	kmlussier	For the logs, the depth appears to be 2.
17:29	berick	kmlussier: i believe it defaults to the depth of the staff login workstation org unit.
17:29	berick	which would be 2 in a stock EG setup
17:31	kmlussier	berick: Ah, ok. That makes sense.
17:31	kmlussier	berick: Can you guess what I'm testing right now? :)
17:32	berick	heh, i have a theory patron reg is involved
17:34	kmlussier	berick: I'm hoping to complete the testing on the latest code for the new editor tonight.
17:35	berick	kmlussier++
17:35	kmlussier	But, first, I suppose I should feed the children. Their faces are looking a little gaunt.
17:35	berick	hah

Results for 2016-01-11

11:35	Dyrcona	mceraso: YW!
11:36	jeff	and /cl
11:36	jeff	er
11:47	dbs	csharp: test received (on gitadmin)
11:56	berick	dbs: thought of one of your SEO talks today as google news showed a headline of 'Heartburn pills linked to increased risk of kidney disease' next to a picture of David Bowie.
12:04	dbs	berick: ouch
12:09	csharp	dbs: thanks!
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12:33	bshum	csharp: That's happened before a couple times now
12:33	bshum	csharp: I think it's a memory killer issue
12:33	jeff	anyone generating logs should be forced to parse those logs before committing.
12:33	jeff	unparsable log entries should be a test failure.
12:34	jeff	(mostly unrelated to evergreen, just a general "if i ruled the world" whim of this morning)
12:35	jeff	i'm parsing logs generated by software which i think i wrote in 2008.
12:43	tsbere	jeff: At least once I wrote something that logged perfectly parseable logs, then the logging system changed and they became useless. So maybe not past-you's fault? ;)
12:45	csharp	yay! now I'm seeing feedbackevergreen-ils.org spam!
12:45	csharp	(meaning that all is back to normal :-))
14:55	csharp	berick: thanks for that info - I'll stop chasing the red herring
14:56	csharp	jeff: I think your question has got me on a better track - I'll report back after checking on environment stuff
14:56	berick	the 1 exception is the initial "what am I processing" query taking longer than the $req_timeout, in which case the events would never even get created
14:57	csharp	well, the good news is that I'm working this out now on a test server rather than doing it next week when everythings on fire ;-)
15:05	Dyrcona	@praise csharp
15:05	* pinesol_green	You don't want to get mixed up with someone like csharp. csharp is a loner, Dottie. A rebel.
15:06	bshum	Memory killers

Results for 2016-01-08

10:35	Bmagic	mmorgan: bug 1532236
10:35	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1532236 in Evergreen "Evergreen should allow for HTML formatted action trigger emails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1532236
10:36	mmorgan	Bmagic++
10:39	Dyrcona	Hmmm... Maybe 1.4 million barcodes are a bit much for a test.
10:40	mmorgan	Dyrcona: That would be a thorough test ;-)
10:42	Dyrcona	Yeah. I'm not sure it would upload though, the file is 21.1 MB according to Nautilus File Manager.
10:43	Dyrcona	I recall reading somewhere that the limit is 10 MB unless you change it, but that could have been inaccurate information.
10:45	csharp	Bmagic: regarding bug 1532236, we've been wanting HTML email too - not sure if it needs a new A/T reactor or if we can encode some logic into the current SendEmail.pm that would do what we're after
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11:31	Stompro	Bmagic++ tsbere++ I've been wondering how to create HTML notices for a while. I think cover art included in notices would be appreciated by many customers.
11:31	Bmagic	excellent - some testing would great
11:38	tsbere	Stompro: I disagree on the cover art bit, but as I mentioned yesterday I tend to disable HTML/Rich Text email viewing in general.
11:43	Stompro	tsbere, the multipart should take care of text email purist such as yourself. The docs to can stress the importance of including the text only version.
11:56	tsbere	Stompro: I just don't like the idea in general. Then again, I dislike the fact email supports HTML in the first place. Too many things can be "hidden", like link targets. >_>

Results for 2016-01-07

11:34	* csharp	finds http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:browser_staff:dev_notes
11:34	Dyrcona	Actually, we're using less these days.
11:35	Dyrcona	Yeah, I remember reading that there was a reason.
11:35	berick	Dyrcona: i was wondering about real-world data. most of my tests were on develpment servers.
11:35	Dyrcona	I can take a peek later.
11:37	csharp	ah - there it is: https://esilibrary.com/exploring-websockets-and-evergreen-iii-proof-of-concept/#sthash.XUhhjAT7.dpbs
11:39	* berick	keeps meaning to try https://www.nginx.com/blog/websocket-nginx/
11:41	pinesol_green	kitteh_ wrote The Great Big Book of Evergreen.
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11:45	jeff	I'm thinking of scripting up a SIP smoke test to retrieve all patrons and all items via SIP with the intent of uncovering ways that SIPServer and/or the Evergreen SIP implementation fall over. I might later expand it a bit. Would anyone here be interested in running something like that against live data in a test system?
11:45	jeff	I suppose I'll just try and make it vaguely non-specific and share and go from there.
11:45	csharp	jeff: yes, but after our upgrade over next weekend
11:46	jeff	csharp: what, not during!?
11:47	berick	wimp
12:47	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1470957 in Evergreen 2.9 "Items are incorrectly sorting when using the Sort By Publication date feature" [Medium,New]
12:47	bshum	So weird stuff happens with pubdate sorting
12:47	kmlussier	krvmga: Yeah, looking at bug 1470957, I see it refers to date1, which is a fixed field thing.
12:47	berick	speaking of acq, looking for takers to test bug #1333254. (No EDI required).
12:47	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1333254 in Evergreen "EDI invoices automatically expend debits" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1333254
12:48	kmlussier	huh, pinesol_green must like berick more than me.
12:48	kmlussier	bug 1470957
13:56	csharp	since bug 1207533 renders Triggered Events effectively useless, we're thinking of greying it out instead
13:56	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1207533 in Evergreen 2.9 "Triggered event log times out for large-data sites" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207533
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14:18	tsbere	csharp: I bet it is because they share a URL
14:23	tsbere	csharp: More specifically, I believe the issue is related to the deck.js file and the fact they both use the "browser" URL as their target.
14:25	* tsbere	has an idea to fix it, but wants to test it quick first....which means waiting for his dev machine to reload
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14:32	csharp	tsbere: I'm heading home, but I'll check back in when I get there (FYI, in case you get to a point where I can assist with testing)
14:33	tsbere	csharp: My test says my idea works. I'll make a working branch for you to poke at.
14:33	csharp	rock on
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14:36	tsbere	@later tell csharp http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/user/tsbere/differentiate_patron_urls
16:03	Bmagic	agreed - in fact that is our plan
16:03	Bmagic	but in order to do that, it seems, we have to change the code to "not mess with our headers"
16:05	tsbere	Bmagic: Should be trivial to make such changes, from what I can see.
16:05	Bmagic	tsbere: we have it working on a test server by commenting out the three lines there in SendEmail.pm
16:05	Bmagic	But I thought I would ask if anyone else accomplished this
16:07	tsbere	Bmagic: I would change them to have "unless $email->header('???')" on the end.
16:07	tsbere	Then if the A/T sets the headers they stay as what the A/T set, otherwise they get the (hopefully sane) defaults
17:08	TheMadGunt	Hello out there
17:08	hopkinsju	The problem is that a search from their system to ours will turn up results one time, then subsequent searches for the same thign turn up 0 results. It'll do that for a while before it starts working again. Seems to me that their system is dropping the connection.
17:08	hopkinsju	Hi there TheMadGunt
17:10	TheMadGunt	I was hoping someone could help me out. Stuck on a step doing a test server install
17:11	TheMadGunt	Step 10.2 - Creating the Database
17:11	bshum	hopkinsju: It wouldn't surprise me if there was something funky going on. Any log data to support your theory? For us, I always smirked at their SUPER old version of yaz that they were using.
17:11	hopkinsju	Cool, well hopefully we can help you :-)
17:14	bshum	Are you using "server edition" 64-bit Ubuntu 14.04
17:14	bshum	Not Desktop edition
17:14	TheMadGunt	No, not desktop
17:14	bshum	The desktop edition sometimes does funky things and has broken installers.
17:14	bshum	And nobody's tested on 32-bit anything in... well, forever, probably.
17:15	hopkinsju	I'm going to turn up logging.
17:15	TheMadGunt	cool. let me give that a shot and I'll report back either way. THANKS!
17:15	bshum	Good luck!
17:16	bshum	Apparently.
17:16	hopkinsju	eyeroll
17:16	* bshum	smirks at hopkinsju
17:16	TheMadGunt	I'm in NY. Best time to work on testing things.
17:16	TheMadGunt	no one to interrupt me. :)
17:16	bshum	Good stuff... /waves hi from CT
17:16	hopkinsju	4pm is usually about the time when I can stop checking email and putting out fires and actually get to work.

Results for 2016-01-05

13:56	bshum	We got something like <xsl:variable name="locname" select="$lid" /> in our .xsl file that draws from
13:56	bshum	So I assume that's how we get the full name of the library for lid
13:57	jboyer_isl	I think ours was an xsl change. That’s what I was referring to with the contains comment. Something in the xslt processing was using it instead of =.
13:57	bshum	Maybe I'll make a new variable
13:57	bshum	And test it by changing one of them to use shortname
13:57	bshum	And then convert everything over
14:22	bshum	In any case, tsbere++ rjackson_isl++ jboyer_isl++
14:22	bshum	Thanks for feedback guys! Appreciate it :)
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15:19	Ivran	Would someone be able to tell me what I am doing wrong in trying to run this Evergreen report...? All I am trying to do is run a report that counts the number of patrons assigned a particular stat category.
15:29	bshum	I think I've heard of what jboyer_isl is describing, but unfortunately have not used it before
15:32	jboyer_isl	It lets you choose between left, inner, and sometimes right joins on the tables in the reporter. Default means “whatever the system thinks is best” which is usually left, I think.
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15:34	Ivran_	I don't think the web client likes me very much. -- I will give the nullability a test and see what I can learn, though!
15:37	jboyer_isl	Ivran: you’ll probably want to choose links that have None in the Nullable column when you’re selecting the stat cat fields. That way you can inner join the user and SC tables to only look at users with SC entries, then you have to display the entry value (not sure of the field names off hand) and a count distinct on entry id to get the totals for each value.
15:38	Ivran_	jboyer_isl: Thank you! I think I can attempt that well enough. I'll see what I can do.
15:41	Bmagic	Ivran_: I have had similar difficulties with stat cats - nullable is the answer
15:41	Bmagic	because not all patrons have a row in the stat cat tables
15:43	Ivran_	I'm brand new to this, so I just keep trying until I get it.
15:49	Ivran_	Ciao for now. I'll come back if I can't figure it out. Thank you!
15:58	bshum	dbwells: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1526543 didn't have a pullrequest on it, but it looked fine for testing, I'm going to go ahead and push it through, though for note, the default is that reset_password = 'true' so the test approach as described confused me initially :\
15:58	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1526543 in Evergreen 2.9 "Cannot disable password reset in TPAC" [Low,New]
15:59	bshum	I may update the test instruction in the git commit message to reflect the actual default and the need to alter the config.tt2 to set that to false.
16:01	dbwells	bshum: heh, sorry about that. I guess I assumed it was false, since optional things are often off by default. It does make more sense now that nobody else notice it :) And, thank you!
16:02	bshum	dbwells: Cool, cool
16:02	bshum	dbwells++ remingtron++

Results for 2015-12-30

13:11	mmorgan	@hate printed notices
13:11	pinesol_green	mmorgan: The operation succeeded. mmorgan hates printed notices.
13:14	jeff	mmorgan: why the hate?
13:15	mmorgan	jeff: seems like it takes forever (for me) to make the simplest change :-(
13:16	mmorgan	... and test it to make sure it's working as intended.
13:20	mmorgan	could be that I just don't make changes frequently enough to remember how all the moving parts fit together. Seems like I have to relearn it each time.
13:34	* tsbere	rigged it at MVLC so that most of the notices are static, and what isn't is set by library settings and handled automatically by the script
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Results for 2015-12-28

11:18	Dyrcona	Third time's the charm, right?
11:18	Dyrcona	The db upgrade finished, so I don't have to run that again.
11:19	Dyrcona	It could also be something with the node.js installed from packages on Ubuntu 14.04.
11:19	bshum	npm install ran fine from my build directory on my test server
11:20	bshum	I'd have to run through all the steps to know for sure
11:20	Dyrcona	So, maybe just I'm blocked, or if they had a problem it has been fixed?
11:20	bshum	I haven't updated the packages on this server lately
11:21	bshum	Maybe some of the new stuff is borked

Results for 2015-12-21

10:27	miker	np
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11:19	jeff	Hrm. Anyone know offhand what semi-common process can cause a hold to change shelf_time and shelf_expire time?
11:19	jeff	I wonder if simply re-scanning an already on-shelf hold does that.
11:19	* jeff	tests
11:21	berick	pretty sure it would take more than that
11:21	berick	it would have to be un-shelved in some way
11:22	berick	i think. like, pickup_lib changed, checked in, changed back, checked in later.
11:23	jeff	Current example happened at a branch other than the one I'm at. Drat.
11:25	* jeff	tests
11:29	jeff	Yeah, it's not a simple "scan it again".
11:29	jeff	At least, not with default checkin modifiers, etc.
11:42	jeff	Okay, in this specific example it was "patron didn't want the hold anymore, staff were unfamiliar with how to cancel a hold"
11:43	jeff	So they did a few things, presumably one of which involved reset/retargeting the hold.
11:43	jeff	Then they just left it in its captured on-holdshelf state and chucked it in the bin for transit to the owning library.
11:43	jeff	So we went over how to cancel a hold.
11:47	tsbere	jeff: I can think of two things. One being manual "find another target" triggering, the other being "the copy that was on the shelf was checked out to someone else, and now that is a new copy"
11:47	* tsbere	is amazed he hasn't had to dig out records of the latter in the past few months, actually...
11:51	jeff	amusing when the target of a ready for pickup hold changes.
12:29	jeff	There is a working repo, and a launchpad instance.
12:29	jeff	http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/SIPServer.git;a=summary
12:30	Bmagic	oh
12:30	jeff	https://bugs.launchpad.net/sipserver
12:30	jeff	keys via the usual means -- i'd test to see if yours are already in place.
12:31	Bmagic	weird, I see that I somehow have a commit there already
12:31	jeff	I suspect that any keys submitted added after the creation of that repo are already in place, but I'm not certain.
12:31	Bmagic	lol, I guess I forgot

Results for 2015-12-16

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07:32	jboyer-isl	miker: Yeah, just venting. I'm probably going to try a couple of OS tests today. (never got around to it yesterday.) The only difference between our G8 server that's working perfectly and these G9's that aren't are their G's. (Same NICs, etc.) I may try 12.04 to see if it makes any difference.
07:33	jboyer-isl	I would be equal parts relieved / disappointed if that works.
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08:08	miker	kmlussier: from yesterday afternoon, I've updated the bugs. tl;dr: mod_perl code is not feasibly testable in the way that opensrf app code (via live tests) or db changes (via pgTAP) are -- and, the changes are covered by syntax checks to the same degree as the rest of the mod_perl code, already.
08:08	* miker	runs away for an appointment
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10:04	Dyrcona	"He's running the scripts....He's checkin' 'em twice."
10:04	Dyrcona	"He's gonna find out which are naughty or nice."
10:05	Dyrcona	"Santa Dev is testing a branch."
10:05	Dyrcona	Don't mind me....
10:06	miker	Dyrcona: when I'd just seen the first line I heard it to the tune of going the distance by cake...
10:06	Dyrcona	heh.
10:06	Dyrcona	That could make a good base for a development parody song, too.
10:07	Dyrcona	He's runnin' the perl tests....He's timin' for speed....
10:15	jeff	I wonder if metacpan has a "rhymes with" search option for modules...
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11:06	Dyrcona	4518 files changed, 1017556 insertions(+), 300704 deletions(-)
11:10	tsbere	Was a bit behind master. ;)
11:10	Dyrcona	6,882 commits behind you said.
11:11	csharp	@quote add 10:04 < Dyrcona> "He's running the scripts....He's checkin' 'em twice. He's gonna find out which are naughty or nice. Santa Dev is testing a branch."
11:11	pinesol_green	csharp: The operation succeeded. Quote #134 added.
11:12	tsbere	Not that the rebase changed much beyond "stop merge from throwing a minor fit", I believe
11:12	Dyrcona	Yeah, warnings about inexact rename detection and setting a limit to at least 2,977. ;)

Results for 2015-12-15

09:35	miker	jboyer-isl: I'm sure you've already investigated this, but we've seen auto-sensing duplex settings fail with HP NICs and some switches ...have to force port speeds and duplex settings. the symptoms are what you describe
09:36	* Dyrcona	has seen auto-sensing fail with a number of different NICs.
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09:44	kmlussier	A question about our QA guidelines. A good percentage of the fixes I loaded for Bug Squashing Day have changes made to a .pm file, but I don't think any had a regression test.
09:45	kmlussier	I just want to make sure I'm clear on the guidelines before I start adding needstest tags. Any change made to perl code since May of this year, no matter how large or how small, should have a test? Is that right?
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09:51	Dyrcona	kmlussier: I don't think we have been quite that strict, although "should" is a recommendation, not a commandment.
09:51	Dyrcona	My understanding is if the commit messages provide adequate test instructions, the live test can be waived.
09:53	kmlussier	I thought the waiver was only given when there is a statement from the patch author explaining why a test is infeasible without significant refactoring
09:53	* csharp	gets indecisive about which bugs to focus on. Candidates today are bug 1175293 (highest "heat" of acq bugs), bug 1413352, and bug 924952
09:53	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1175293 in Evergreen "ACQ: Allocate to Fund drop down menu (in Funding Source) Not Following Precedents Set by Other Fund Menus" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1175293
09:54	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1413352 in Evergreen "New Brief Record estimated price does not populate" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1413352
09:54	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 924952 in Evergreen "Acquisitions: Order record loads fail when there is a null value in a holdings subfield" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924952
09:54	Dyrcona	csharp: Those look like good ones to work on to me.
09:54	jeff	I'm not sure what's more realistic: working toward a point where we aren't considering waiving tests like that, or expecting that regression testing is accomplished by reading commit messages and manually testing things as directed there.
09:54	jeff	(on all future commits)
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09:55	Dyrcona	jeff: I agree. I think we want tests on all things in the future. It's a matter of taking the time to get there.
09:55	kmlussier	I didn't think the commit messages / manual instructions were related to whether a test was provided or not. It was just something that is a best practice to include in any bug fix.
09:56	jeff	@decide kick the can down the road[map] or test paralysis
09:56	pinesol_green	jeff: go with kick the can down the road http://www.firstpersontetris.com/
09:56	Dyrcona	Well, that was my understanding. I could be mistaken.
09:56	* jeff	gives pinesol_green a look
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09:57	csharp	@decide [someone] or [someone
09:57	pinesol_green	csharp: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
09:57	Dyrcona	I know some bug fixes have been written and pushed since May that have not had live tests.
09:57	csharp	@decide [someone] or [someone]
09:57	pinesol_green	go with ericar
09:57	jeff	here i was hoping that pinesol_green would give us the kobayashi maru style solution when presented with those two equally undesirable options. :P
09:58	kmlussier	OK, but in re-reading that, if it is waived, an additional signoff is required. So, for the bug I'm looking at now, I guess I shouldn't be merging it because it either requires a test or requires an additional signoff.
09:59	Dyrcona	What we really need it a complete regression suite. Basically what we have are a strange hybrid of unit tests and some regression tests of some features.
10:00	kmlussier	But we will have more regression tests of more features if we continue to strongly encourage people to follow the guidelines.
10:01	kmlussier	Unless there is someone out there who has time to write a complete regression suite. :)
10:02	Dyrcona	Someone would have to make that a priority, yes, and devote resources to it.
10:05	dbwells	kmlussier: My understanding of the new test recommendations are the same as yours, though I'm also pretty sure that Dyrcona is right, and others have pushed stuff in without tests (which has generally confused me, and also made me wonder if others felt the descriptive tests were adequate)
10:07	Dyrcona	It was acknowledged that somethings are difficult to test, but I'll go along with requiring tests if that is what others understood.
10:07	kmlussier	Yeah, I don't doubt that some things have been merged without the tests.
10:07	Dyrcona	It could just be a minority (me) who misunderstood. :)
10:14	dbwells	It also isn't explicit in the 2.9 section of the document, but in my understanding we are still only requiring at least one new relevant test with each patch, not a complete and extensive suite (though it would be welcomed :) ).
10:16	kmlussier	Ok, so it looks like the guidelines were formalized at the August dev meeting. What I'm going to do then, for the patches I loaded on Sandboxes, is if the patch was created since August and makes any change to perl or database code, I'll add the needstest tag.
10:16	kmlussier	If it seems excessive for the code being changed, there is always that waiver that a dev can request if it seems excessive.
10:16	kmlussier	Bleh. Just a bit of redundancy in that sentence.
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10:24	Dyrcona	I wonder if both pgtap and perl tests are required when the perl tests sufficiently exercise the database changes, but that could be a different discussion.
10:24	* Dyrcona	has a specific branch in mind where he added perl tests but not a pgtap test for the database changes, because function changes can be tricky in pgtap.
10:24	kmlussier	My gut reaction is that if the perl test sufficiently exercises the database changes, the perl test should be adequate.
10:25	dbwells	I agree.
10:27	Dyrcona	Sounds good to me. :)
10:27	* Dyrcona	returns to modifying a library's circ parameters.
10:28	kmlussier	For the discussion we just had, those tests are just for patches that fix bugs, right? In the case of jeff's code for bug 1013786, then, they wouldn't be required since it really is a new feature.
10:28	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1013786 in Evergreen "tpac: Check for password strength at login" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013786 - Assigned to Christine Burns (christine-burns)
10:28	kmlussier	I know it' says Medium importance, but, at this point, it feels like new feature to me.
10:30	kmlussier	Heh, I suppose we can remove the jspacremovalblocker tag from that one. :)
10:31	* jeff	looks at that bug
10:31	berick	no, we have to merge jspac back in until all of those bugs are closed.
10:32	jeff	Oh, forgot I added pullrequest-worthy code to that bug.
10:35	dbwells	I think the test standards, whatever they may be, should apply more or less equally to bugs and new features. The document refers to "new code contributions", so I think it covers everything.
10:36	dbwells	(Of course, later parts reference "fixes a bug", so who knows :P)
10:37	* kmlussier	nods
10:40	Dyrcona	Right, I thought the standard for bug fixes was deliberately lower than for new features, and that may be 1 source of any misunderstanding.
10:42	* Dyrcona	awaits angularpac.... ;)
10:52	* Dyrcona	isn't surprised.
10:53	Dyrcona	i might be surprised when you figure out the why, however. ;)
10:54	* Dyrcona	should revisit the circ history download bug with a new solution.
10:55	kmlussier	Once I focused just on patches added since August, the number requiring tests wasn't so high.
10:55	* kmlussier	returns to actual testing now. :)
10:55	tsbere	jeff: Do you have metarecord or part holds on no longer existing metarecords/parts?
10:55	Dyrcona	That would not surprise me.
10:56	Dyrcona	And I was think parts holds on part that have since disappeared.
12:51	kmlussier	But I know it doesn't reflect all of the work that has been happening
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13:19	mmorgan	Bmagic: I'm testing lp 1331174. and am curious what your intervals for LONGOVERDUE and LOST are in production.
13:19	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1331174 in Evergreen "Long Overdue processing needs org unit settings separate from Lost Processing" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1331174 - Assigned to Michele Morgan (mmorgan)
13:20	mmorgan	The seed mark Long Overdue trigger worked fine to mark items long overdue at 6 months.
13:22	mmorgan	Then I changed the mark Lost trigger to mark the items Lost at 7 months. But the Lost trigger didn't find anything to mark Lost. It's looking for transactions with stop_fines NULL or MAXFINES, so my LONGOVERDUE transactions didn't get picked up to be marked Lost.
13:22	mmorgan	Are you using a custom filter for this?
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13:31	* mmorgan	run out for a bit
13:38	jihpringle	kmlussier: Am I correct in assuming that the mlnc2 test server isn't generating and sending email?
13:39	jihpringle	I've tested lp 1197636 up to the point where the email should be sent
13:39	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1197636 in Evergreen "Email record detail does not check for email" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197636 - Assigned to Jennifer Pringle (jpringle-u)
13:40	tsbere	jihpringle: I do not believe any of those mlnc servers were set up for actually sending email. In general.
13:45	kmlussier	jihpringle: Sorry! You're correct. It's not configured to send email. I totally overlooked that need when I was setting it up.
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14:28	pinesol_green	[evergreen\|Kathy Lussier] LP#1319998 Stamping upgrade script - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=3e831ac>
14:28	pinesol_green	[evergreen\|blake] LP1319998_materialized_summary_billing_del_ADDS_to_balance_owed - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=574cab2>
14:41	jboyer-isl	miker, Dyrcona: Just getting back from a meeting and reading scrollback. I had not come across suggestions to check that (my google-fu was weak) and it never occurred to me because 2015, but I'm absolutely testing that now. I was about to go install another OS to test, this is much faster.
14:42	jboyer-isl	If it works, you each get a meal/drink on me in NC.
14:43	* mmorgan	returns and catches up.
14:45	jeff	ahh, the fond days when 3com switches could lock up Cisco ethernet interfaces hard enough that Cisco would RMA them, but they really just needed to be power cycled.
14:47	jlundgren	I think I just confirmed my first (new) bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1513231
14:54	jboyer-isl	Oops, sad trombone.
14:58	kmlussier	mmorgan: Are you thinking that you would be setting a transaction to Longoverdue without a bill after, say, 3 months, and then setting it to Lost, with a bill after something like 6 months?
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14:59	mmorgan	kmlussier: That's the scenario I'm testing, yes.
15:00	kmlussier	Bmagic / mmorgan: Would it be reasonable, then, to add a separate "Lost from Long Overdue" trigger that has the necessary json for those sites that want to use that workflow?
15:01	kmlussier	I can see why you wouldn't want to add it to the typical Lost trigger since there are sites that want to set it and leave it at Long Overdue.
15:02	Bmagic	kmlussier: it's probably not a bad idea to throw a stock AT idea in the branch - but there are a few possibilities
15:15	mmorgan	Would clear documentation on how to accomplish the longoverdue to lost be generally accepted? Or is it better to have the examples?
15:19	jboyer-isl	Network? More like Notwork.
15:19	mmorgan	jlundgren++
15:21	kmlussier	Christineb: Would it be helpful to try the same workflow (if you have time) on another masslnc VM to see if the issue you encountered was caused by the new code?
15:21	kmlussier	Christineb: The VM's are nearly identical with the exception of the branches that were added for testing.
15:21	Christineb	kmlussier - Oh great idea, I will try that
15:23	kmlussier	mmorgan: I think it's generally preferable to have examples, but I don't think the lack of them is a showstopper. But I want to take a closer look at it too.
15:24	kmlussier	Christineb: You could probably hop on the one jihpringle is using. The access info is on the same spreadsheet.
16:44	kmlussier	dbwells: I had hoped to look at bug 1422379 today, but it looks like it wasn't meant to be. I hope to put some eyes on it soon, though.
16:44	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1422379 in Evergreen "Move money.billing timestamps back to moment of fine" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1422379 - Assigned to Kathy Lussier (klussier)
16:45	dbwells	kmlussier: Hey, thanks for trying. I've been looking at bugs for the last hour or so, and also generally getting stuck in one way or another.
16:45	jlundgren1	stompro++ for testing in master build - https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1312699
16:45	pinesol_green	Launchpad bug 1312699 in Evergreen "Editable Checkout History" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Josh Stompro (u-launchpad-stompro-org)
16:45	kmlussier	Stompro: I'll need to check, but I think the sorting is something that is present in master already. It was a new 2.9 feature
16:46	dbwells	I think I'll report some "new" bugs instead (stuff we've had in production for a while, in some cases :( ).
17:18	kmlussier	Good night mmorgan!
17:18	kmlussier	Ah well, a bit too late
17:19	miker	jboyer-isl: based on "network? more like notwork" I'm guessing duplex and speed autosense was not the issue?
17:23	kmlussier	Just took a look at the signedoff bugs that also has a needstest bug. Other than the bug gmcharlt already commented on, there are two from miker http://bit.ly/1UvXOvc
17:24	kmlussier	miker: If those are examples of bugs where tests would be infeasible, could you note that on the bugs? I don't have a clear sense of what's infeasible and what's doable.
17:37	kmlussier	"101 bugs reported by me" Looks like I missed an opportunity to celebrate when I hit the 100 mark.
17:40	berick	bummed I could not participate today.
17:40	berick	bug_squashers++
17:42	kmlussier	berick: Well, you do a lot of fixing between Bug Squashing Days. :)

Results for 2015-12-14

10:53	pinesol_green	csharp: NO.
10:54	dbwells	csharp: I thought you just applied that fix last week or so?
10:54	* dbwells	is confused
10:55	csharp	dbwells: I found it, but was waiting to do a full upgrade to 2.9.1 this weekend :-/
10:55	csharp	needless to say, I'll at least be changing that on the live server
10:55	csharp	er.. live test server that is
10:55	Dyrcona	Yeah, it's a straightforward cherry-pick if you only want the one fix.
10:55	csharp	@blame csharp
10:55	pinesol_green	csharp: It really IS csharp's fault!
16:35	Dyrcona	sftp++
16:35	Dyrcona	;)
16:36	bshum	ftp-- sftp++ # indeed, if only the rest of the world understood
16:37	* kmlussier	is going to answer her own question with a 'yes' based on a quick test of webby.
16:37	tsbere	ftps-- # Too many people assume it is interchangeable with sftp
16:38	Dyrcona	That's exactly bshum's problem as I understand it.
16:41	bshum	"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Results for 2015-12-11

10:02	jeff	especially if it was something other than a catalog search followed by placing a hold.
10:03	jeff	flight recorders.
10:17	Dyrcona	They make those: event loggers.
10:19	jeff	screen recording software exists for software testing and usability studies. i've often wanted to install at package and either enable it on machines that are having difficult-to-reproduce issues or have them recording semi-constantly with a X minute cyclical buffer.
10:33	Dyrcona	Event loggers are more fun: mouse_down btn 1 coords: 865, 124 and you get figure out what they clicked on.
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15:35	lualaba	FIXME: If you encounter this alert, please inform your IT/ILS helpdesk staff or your friendly Evergreen developers. Sat Dec 12 2015 00:34:28 GMT+0400 (Georgian Standard Time) The action involved likely failed due to insufficient permissions. However, this part of the software needs to be updated to better understand permission messages from the server, so please let us know about it. PERM_FAILURE Permission Denied
15:35	lualaba	I try everything but nothing was helped
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15:48	jboyer-isl	I don't know if I'm making things better or worse, but I'm trying ubuntu's wily kernels on my new machines to see if that knocks out their network issues. The first test is "does it survive sudo shutdown -r now ?"
15:53	Bmagic	jboyer-isl++
15:55	Bmagic	lualaba_: how about "STAFF_LOGIN" ?
15:57	jboyer-isl	By Jove; so far so functional.
16:12	Dyrcona	lualaba: You could try that. A stock installation should just work.
16:12	lualaba	have any chance to disable permission or delete?
16:12	lualaba	2.9 release is stable?
16:12	Dyrcona	lualaba: I was going to suggest altering the depth that the view_billing_type permission is granted to existing groups as a test.
16:12	jeff	if the existing admin user works and newly created users do not work, it may be that the new users do not have a working location set.
16:12	Dyrcona	jeff++ could be that.
16:13	Dyrcona	I thought of the perm depth because the client appears to checking loc 1.

Results for 2015-12-09

08:56	Dyrcona	I'm not sure our libraries would be too keen on their statistics being public, well any more public than they are.
08:57	Dyrcona	I'm sure some of the directors would love a dashboard app for their own use, though.
08:57	Dyrcona	mrpeters++
08:57	Dyrcona	mrpeters: Thanks for testing the tarball.
08:58	Dyrcona	And for pointing out the breakage in the first place.
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09:02	* Dyrcona	is not sure how public the statistics become once they are reported to the Commonwealth.
13:53	* dbs	reads the nice, short LDAP_Auth.pm
13:55	dbs	looks like setting the host to ldaps://hostname will do the trick. yay
14:17	dbwells	dbs: I don't believe we are, would be a useful option to add certainly.
14:26	jeff	the fun next question is usually: what trusted cert store is the connection going to be tested against, if any?
14:27	jeff	not speaking of direct ldaps in Evergreen authproxy, but in more general terms with perl/python/etc libs.
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14:31	tsbere	jeff: I would assume the default system store.
14:31	tsbere	Usually that can be changed, but I doubt we did anything to change it.

Results for 2015-12-08

10:14	* Dyrcona	wonders how that happened.
10:14	jeff	mrpeters: i wouldn't want to hazard a guess. if you're building debs, you can probably just patch it locally in the meantime as part of the usual build process on your end.
10:14	Dyrcona	I could try building a new 2.9.1 tarball, or anyone else could for that matter.
10:15	Dyrcona	I didn't test the fresh install from the tarball.
10:15	mrpeters	no, i certainly can patch it on our end that is no worries
10:15	mrpeters	but, maybe we should pull the tarball from the site until fixed?
10:17	Dyrcona	And, everyone just ignores me....
10:20	Dyrcona	mrpeters jeff: I or anyone else can build a new 2.9.1 tarball and test it. I do not have time at this very moment to do that.
10:21	mrpeters	Dyrcona: I'm not suggesting you should have to. I am happy to fix it and test it -- I just don't know where the bug is
10:21	Dyrcona	mrpeters: Probably just one of those things that happens at the last minute.
10:22	mrpeters	no im not trying to assess blame or figure out what caused it -- i'm saying i dont know where the duplicated insert into the upgrade log occurs to fix the tarball and give you a new one
10:22	Dyrcona	Like you said, it works fine from git.
10:23	jeff	mrpeters: it should contain only one instance of that line.
10:23	mrpeters	jeff: perfect, thats exactly what i needed to know
10:23	Dyrcona	Yeah, probably because make_release was run more than once.
10:23	mrpeters	lets just pull it from git, don't you think?
10:24	mrpeters	and put the 002.schema.config.sql from git in the tarball and then i can test it and confirm its fixed and we can release it on the site
10:24	jeff	I don't know if there are other likely places where there will be issues that share the same underlying cause as that duplication.
10:25	Dyrcona	As much fun as this is, and as much as this is my fault, I have work to do for my employer, now. I'll catch up later if I can.
10:25	mrpeters	good point
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16:20	Dyrcona	@eightball Will Francis lighten up?
16:20	pinesol_green	Dyrcona: It is so.
16:37	phasefx	re: qa tests, I'm changing the ultimate pass/fail logic for the "Installing Evergreen pre-requisites" section, so that it just considers the final return value from the pre-req Makefile. There are 3 "Result: FAIL"'s currently from 3rd party tests in that section, one for Business-PayPal-API, one for Business-OnlinePayment-PayPal, and an expected one for Class-DBI-Frozen-301
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Results for 2015-12-07

11:10	csharp	does EG SIP2 support hold placements from self-checkout machines? (3M, if that matters)
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11:12	Dyrcona	csharp: Looks like it can cancel holds but not place them.
11:15	mmorgan	I have run an action trigger intended to send email with the ProcessTemplate reactor for testing purposes, and the template output looks just as intended.
11:16	mmorgan	Is there any way to take the template output data that's already been generated and send it as email? Or is it best just to run the trigger again with the SendEmail reactor?
11:17	csharp	Dyrcona: thanks
11:17	Dyrcona	charp: de nada.
11:18	Dyrcona	oof.