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08:59 Dyrcona So, here we go. Gonna try the SuperCat change in production.
09:07 jboyer-isl Dyrcona: Is this related to yesterday'
09:07 jboyer-isl s SRU search discussion?
09:07 Dyrcona Yes.
09:07 jboyer-isl Ah.
09:07 Dyrcona And, it's not working from the Commonwealth Catalog search, but if I send the same search via yaz-client, it works.
09:08 Dyrcona They must be caching results....
09:09 jboyer-isl I just had a scary thing re: that product come across my desk recently that you might be able to shed some light on; can AG really not use MARCXML extracts? In 2016?
09:09 mdriscoll Dyrcona: this search now succeeds on your system but not NOBLE or CW: charmed knits hansel (author and title words)
09:09 mdriscoll Dyrcona: via ComCat
09:10 Dyrcona mdriscoll: Thank you for looking. I got coelho alchemist to work via keyword, too.
09:10 jboyer-isl Dyrcona: Do you only use Z39.50 searches against your data, not uploads? That would probably make a difference depending on what they're doing.
09:10 Dyrcona I think they've cached a "no results" for @attr 1=1016 "king dead zone"
09:10 jboyer-isl I see.
09:11 Dyrcona jboyer-isl: They search everyone via z39.50. No one sends them uploads afaik.
09:11 mdriscoll Dyrcona: we also see punctuation as problematic: Alexander Hamilton, American (works on your system, not mine)
09:11 Dyrcona mdriscoll: That's interesting. We were talking about something similar this morning...
09:11 jboyer-isl Ah, we're going to be leaning toward extracts/uploads with Z for availability.
09:12 Dyrcona mdriscoll: I'll share the branch in a few minutes.
09:12 mdriscoll Dyrcona: great I'll test it.
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09:16 Dyrcona And the search that was mentioned as a problem "harry potter rowling" works.
09:19 mdriscoll Here's another z39.50 search with punctuation: Monsters inc (CW-9, NOBLE-3, MVLC-594)
09:19 mdriscoll If you search with actual punctuation: Monsters, Inc. you get CW-0, NOBLE-0, MVLC 594
09:21 yboston For those that want to join the DIG Web Client Hackfest here is the hangout link
09:21 yboston https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_​/berklee.edu/digwebclienthackfest2016
09:28 Dyrcona Ha!
09:29 Dyrcona About the time ysuarez mentioned the hangout, my Comcat session timed out and they play a sound when that happens.
09:29 Dyrcona I thought it was a hangout invitation....
09:30 Dyrcona mdriscoll: I thought Comcat was stripping punctuation from searches.
09:30 Dyrcona That changes what I should be looking for on another ticket that we have.
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10:06 mdriscoll Dyrcona: Comcat does strip punctuation but I'm seeing a trailing period in the Monsters, Inc. example: SRU search string [eg.keyword = "monsters inc."] converted to [eg.keyword:"monsters inc." site:NOBLE]
10:08 tsbere So they strip it except for when they don't? ;)
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10:20 Dyrcona Apparently.
10:20 Dyrcona mdriscoll: We just did a bunch of searches for some things that were causing issues. Some involved punctuation. I'm going to see what I see in the logs after I send that email.
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10:29 jboyer-isl I've got a quick marc_stream_importer.pl question: We're hoping to automate loading some authority records and I had been planning to use this to do it. Looking at the script though, it appears to only handle bib records, is that right?
10:30 berick jboyer-isl: i added authority support recently
10:30 berick can't remember if it was merged.. checking
10:30 berick https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1384740
10:30 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1384740 in Evergreen "Add authority records support to marc stream importer (Connexion)" [Wishlist,Fix committed]
10:30 berick it's in master
10:31 jboyer-isl berick: Huzzah! Apparently not in the 2.9.cough version I upgraded us to, but we would be happy to apply some additional in-production testing. :D
10:32 berick awesome. we've been using the updated script for bib imports.  planning to use it for auth soon.
10:34 jboyer-isl One of your comments referenced bug 1171984 that was released sometime in 2.8, does that mean anything needs to be changed to address it, or did the options just not do anything until that bug was closed?
10:34 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1171984 in Evergreen "add support in Vandelay for overlaying authorities during import using match sets" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171984
10:35 berick jboyer-isl: nothing needs doing.  some options just didn't do anything before that.
10:35 * dbs wonders how csharp / PINES is doing since the 2.9 upgrade
10:35 berick the script mostly passes vandelay params through to the server without inspecting them
10:38 jboyer-isl Awesome. Then we're in business soon (ish).
10:38 jboyer-isl Thank
10:38 jboyer-isl s
10:38 jboyer-isl berick++
10:39 berick jboyer-isl: i'm all ears if you have any problems.
10:41 jboyer-isl The answer to this general vandelay question might be very helpful: is it possible to both import on no matches and auto-overlay on a single match, or should those operations be broken into separate steps? I tried loading some auth records in the client and from what I could tell only the no-match records were imported.
10:42 berick you should be able to do both
10:42 berick ... at the same time
10:43 jboyer-isl OK. I'll dig around and see what's what. I may have misunderstood what the client screen was telling me. (I don't hang out in the catalog screens much, as one may be able to guess.)
10:43 jboyer-isl Thanks again.
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11:01 miker dbs: csharp's out today, but things are going well now, after a bit of tuning
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11:03 remingtron yboston: FYI, the browser client dev sprints page could reveal features that need to be included on the docs TODO list: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=dev:browser_staff:dev_sprints
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11:07 yboston remingtron: thanks
11:08 yboston yboston: y por cierto muchas felicidades con lo de de tu familia
11:09 yboston remingtron: y por cierto muchas felicidades con lo de de tu familia
11:21 rjackson_isl berick++ - first import using patched importer and correct parameters worked - next test will be the authority side
11:22 rjackson_isl inclued both an overlay and new recs in one imput file...
11:22 rjackson_isl s/inclued/included
11:23 berick sweet
11:24 jboyer-isl Bummer. A parallel reingest is no sweat for the database, but slony does not like it one bit. :-/
11:25 Dyrcona Alas, poor Slony. I knew him well, Horatio.
11:31 remingtron yboston: gracias!
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12:49 Dyrcona mceraso: If you're paying attention: just "select asset.refresh_opac_visible_copies_mat_view();"
12:50 Dyrcona A little birdie chirped in my ear.... ;)
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12:56 Dyrcona Doing so will hose OPAC search results for a while.
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13:33 kmlussier Sending along a heads up to the gitadmins. MassLNC's git day is Monday. I've asked people to submit their SSH keys for access to the working repo ahead of time, but we may have some last-minute requests coming along Monday morning.
13:34 tsbere kmlussier: If needed you can probably poke me directly in IRC
13:34 kmlussier tsbere: Great, thanks!
13:34 kmlussier tsbere++
13:43 * kmlussier finally has a chance to turn her attention to the web client docs page to see what needs doing.
13:51 maryj kmlussier, yboston : is there a standard for what file format, dpi, etc is needed for the screenshots?
13:52 * kmlussier adds her name to review the circ and holds docs.
13:52 yboston maryj: no really
13:52 kmlussier maryj: I just checked the style guide, and I don't see anything.
13:52 yboston maryj: there are things that "I know when I see them"
13:53 yboston maryj: like a screenshot that covers the whole persons desktop instead of just focusing in the element being documented
13:53 kmlussier .png seems to be the predominant file format.
13:53 maryj yboston: I have way too many digital archivist friends to risk not following a standard ;)
13:55 yboston maryj: :)
13:55 maryj kmlussier: thank you. I have the ability to create a variety of file formats, so I was a bit torn as to which to chose.
13:55 maryj kmlussier, yboston: I guess the screenshot files will be eventually loaded onto evergreen-ils.org then?
13:56 maryj *choose
13:56 yboston maryj: yes
13:57 maryj kmlussier, yboston: Okay, I'll make two file sets then - .tiff original & then a more web-friendly file format for the site.
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14:30 kmlussier Ugh.
14:30 kmlussier yboston / remingtron: Do you have thoughts on this? I'm reviewing the circulating items docs from Michelle Purcell. She took new screenshots of the interfaces, but used the same file name, and we're not at a point where we want to replace the files yet.
14:31 yboston I think I dealt with that I added something to the web client version
14:31 yboston I think
14:31 kmlussier I'm trying to decide if I should rename the file names to have a web prefix. Or maybe we could have another media folder that's used for web client screenshots until we've moved everything over to the web.
14:33 yboston I ended up using a suffi like this...circulation_patron_records-2_web_client.png
14:33 yboston *suffix
14:34 kmlussier OK, I'll do that for consistency,
14:34 kmlussier Looks like I didn't have any images with the web client docs I've worked on so far.
14:57 kmlussier @dessert [someone]
14:57 * pinesol_green grabs some birthday cake with lots of candles for kitteh__
15:15 kmlussier @hate Windows line endings
15:15 pinesol_green kmlussier: The operation succeeded.  kmlussier hates Windows line endings.
15:26 Dyrcona All the world's a teletype; and the men and women merely CRLF....
15:26 Dyrcona grr....
15:37 kmlussier heh
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15:52 * kmlussier contemplates a style guide guideline for keyboard keys
15:56 dbs kmlussier: apparently you want a lot of CTRL (or is it Ctrl? Or Control?)
15:56 kmlussier dbs: Yes, I guess I do. :D
15:57 kmlussier I've added all caps to the style guide, but am also happy to let other take CTRL and change it to something else.
15:59 dbs kmlussier++
16:29 kmlussier Just noticed a mouse click saved in the precat checkout workflow in the web client. Woo hoo!
16:30 kmlussier @love reducing mouse clicks
16:30 pinesol_green kmlussier: The operation succeeded.  kmlussier loves reducing mouse clicks.
16:40 kmlussier I noticed the webby precat dialog is defaulting to Magazine for the circ modifier.
16:40 kmlussier In the xul client, it defaults to Unset
16:41 kmlussier But there is no Unset in webby.
16:43 jihpringle yboston: I have a zip file containing the copy bucket documentation and screenshots - should I just send it to the DIG list?
16:43 kmlussier On Dyrcona's server, it defaults to bestseller.
16:44 yboston jihpringle: how big is the zip file?
16:44 jihpringle 850KB
16:44 yboston OK, send it to the list
16:44 jihpringle k, will do now
16:47 Dyrcona kmlussier: That's probably the first circ modifier, alphabetically.
16:48 Dyrcona seems like the assumption is everything gets a circ modifier in the web staff client, but we don't actually do that here.
16:48 kmlussier Dyrcona: I was thinking it might be first by database ID. Because Magazine is not first alphabetically on webby
16:48 kmlussier Dyrcona: Oh, so that's a problem.
16:48 kmlussier We need an Unset there.
16:48 jihpringle yboston: I ran into a few bugs while testing, do you know what the best way to report web client bugs is?
16:48 Dyrcona Well, you should be able to add a copy without a circ modifier, I think.
16:48 * kmlussier wanders off to Launchpad.
16:49 kmlussier And this is why it always takes me so long to work on documentation. :)
16:49 yboston jihpringle: same thing is happening to me
16:49 kmlussier Dyrcona: Yes, I agree.
16:49 yboston jihpringle: here is a bug I just put in
16:49 yboston https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1537214
16:49 Dyrcona kmlussier: bestseller is probably also the first circ_mod in the table.
16:49 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1537214 in Evergreen "Web staff client does not allow patron notes to require staff initials " [Undecided,New]
16:49 jihpringle perfect, I'll add my bugs to launchpad
16:50 jihpringle thanks yboston
16:50 yboston note that I added the tag for "webstaffclient", do you know how to add tags?
16:50 jihpringle yup, I'll add a webstaff client tag
16:50 yboston cool
16:53 kmlussier jihpringle / yboston: The bonus to documenting the web client is finding those bugs that haven't been uncovered yet. :)
16:53 jihpringle indeed :)
16:54 yboston my next decision is, do I document the expected behavior (without the bug) or the current behavior (with the bug)?
16:55 yboston maybe the expected behavior, in case it gets fixed?
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16:55 kmlussier Well, we don't know when the bug will be fixed, so I'm inclined to say document current behavior.
16:55 kmlussier However, I noticed Michelle Purcell added a readme to her docs where she added notes for things like that. I was going to add it as a webclient_readme.txt file to the docs directory so that we could have a shared place to make those notes.
16:56 yboston jihpringle & kmlussier: good point. this is not easy :(
16:57 kmlussier No, it isn't.
16:57 jihpringle definitely better to find those bugs now though
16:58 yboston BTW< I have been doing "diffs" of the original versus the web client docs to catch what I have left out
16:58 yboston I will leave this out
17:00 kmlussier I sometimes fear we get a little too tag-happy in LP, but maybe we need a tag on the web client LP bugs to serve as a reminder that we need to update docs when a webclient bug is fixed.
17:00 kmlussier The one thing I worry about when leaving something out is that we forget to put it back in if and when the bug is fixed.
17:01 kmlussier Too much to think about at 5 on a Friday afternoon.
17:01 yboston I hear you
17:04 yboston I am addign the docs code I removed to a comment in each bug; with a link to the docs page. hopefully it will help to get it back in
17:07 kmlussier The calendar widget still only works in Chrome, right?
17:11 * kmlussier answers her own question and confirms that, yes, Firefox is still behind everyone else in this instance.
17:11 kmlussier yboston: Yes, I think the comments in LP serve as a good reminder. Nice thinking!
17:11 mmorgan kmlussier: Just confirmed that, too :)
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17:37 kmlussier jihpringle: For bug 1537227, the problem is that you aren't using a registered workstation.
17:37 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1537227 in Evergreen "Web Client: Navigation Buttons in Catalogue Not Working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537227
17:38 kmlussier We came across that one in testing.
17:38 jihpringle kmlussier: thanks, I thought it seemed familar
17:38 kmlussier Which is why it's really, really important that we have a way to require workstation registration before the web client is rolled in production. There are several things that don't work as expected without a workstation.
17:39 jihpringle yes, that;s definitely crucial
17:51 kmlussier OK, looks like I'm not going to finish reviewing the circulating items docs before taking off for the day. I'll try to get to it over the weekend.
17:51 kmlussier Have a nice weekend everyone!
17:51 yboston see ya!
18:40 pinesol_green [evergreen|Yamil Suarez] Docs: Circulation - Patron Record web staff client updated content - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=67defef>
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