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IRC log for #evergreen, 2015-12-09

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08:53 dbs jeff / rangi / sylvar I also have interest in publishing stats that can then be reflected on a dashboard, etc
08:54 dbs (despite the concerns raised by my university librarian that they "may be misinterpreted", heh)
08:54 dbs declining circ is declining circ, hard to misinterpret
08:56 Dyrcona I'm not sure our libraries would be too keen on their statistics being public, well any more public than they are.
08:57 Dyrcona I'm sure some of the directors would love a dashboard app for their own use, though.
08:57 Dyrcona mrpeters++
08:57 Dyrcona mrpeters: Thanks for testing the tarball.
08:58 Dyrcona And for pointing out the breakage in the first place.
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09:02 * Dyrcona is not sure how public the statistics become once they are reported to the Commonwealth.
09:05 jboyer-isl Dyrcona: that usually depends on how determined users are to bang their heads against a large-ish gov website. We have quite a few public lib stats available, but I don’t know where.
09:06 Dyrcona jboyer-isl: Yep. That's kind of what I was thinking. There's probably an annual report on the Mass. Board of Library Commissioners' web site.
09:08 jboyer-isl I’ve also given some thought to the dashboard thing though, I attended a really interesting conf session about one that a college around here built for themselves. Now that I’m in a position to make it happen, the great tuit drought of ’15 has determined otherwise.
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09:15 RoganH In SC the state reported stats are pretty easy to get but I have personal reservations about how meaningful they are.
09:15 jeff heh. Elasticsearch indexing script correctly excluded the following record: http://catalog.tadl.org/eg/opac/record/46755476
09:20 jeff (savedyouaclick: Headphones for in-building use, not opac visible)
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10:03 tsbere jeff: I find myself wondering why those are even cataloged, and why it was noteworthy that they were correctly excluded in the first place. ;)
10:03 * kmlussier suspects they were cataloged so they could circulate
10:07 jeff kmlussier: yup
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10:21 kmlussier Bmagic: You moved bug 1497374 to In Progress. Are you still working on that patch? If not, let me know and I'll move it back to Triaged.
10:21 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1497374 in Evergreen "fm_IDL.xml metabib::record_attr_flat contains an incorrect link" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1497374
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10:38 kmlussier Stompro and others: Were we planning to mark the individual permission bugs as duplicates of the omnibus bug?
10:39 kmlussier I can do it, but I wasn't sure if there was a reason against marking them as duplicates.
10:41 Stompro kmlussier, I think that makes sense, if you want to do that it would be appreciated.  I've got training sheduled for most of the day on the 15th, so I'm going to miss bug day next week :-(
10:43 kmlussier Stompro: Sorry to hear it, but there's always next time!
10:53 Dyrcona So, an SRU exact or unqualified search (and I've only tried it with eg.title) takes punctuation into account.
10:54 Dyrcona That is, a search for eg.title+exact+"hidden truth forbidden knowledge" returns nothing.
10:55 Dyrcona Whereas eg.title+exact+"hidden truth, forbidden knowledge" return 1 title.
10:55 Dyrcona Oh, and in the URL you need + instead of the spaces. I got lazy.
10:55 Dyrcona Is that a bug, I wonder?
10:59 Dyrcona And using all without the comma also works.
11:00 Dyrcona And not using a relation term, SRU acts like exact was specified.
11:01 Dyrcona I assume we're using cql context set version 1.1?
11:08 Dyrcona At a minimum, I think we're (by that I mean whatever interprets the cql) doing = wrong.
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11:13 Dyrcona Although, given the vagueness of "a list of words" I'm not sure how you could do it right.....
11:14 Dyrcona I know what "a list of words" means, but how's a computer supposed to know?
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11:38 Bmagic kmlussier: no - im done working on it. Needs evaluation
11:39 kmlussier Bmagic: Thanks!
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12:01 dbs so, when offline transactions get uploaded to an HTTPS-only host, do they get lost entirely?
12:01 dbs (due to the old offline.pl doesn't speak HTTPS bug?)
12:03 dbs Nothing in /openils/var/data/offline/pending and only old stuff in /openils/var/data/offline/archive/
12:07 phasefx staff client should still have a copy at least
12:08 dbs phasefx: okay, I'll see if I can track it down on the workstation
12:08 phasefx pending_xacts_sometimestamp
12:18 dbs phasefx: yep, got it
12:18 phasefx phew :)
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12:20 dbs still need to figure out how to make it willing to reupload the pending_xacts from that file though
12:21 phasefx dbs: from a staff client perspective?  you can rename the file to simply pending_xacts, or use the Import button from the login window on the file
12:21 dbs ahhh
12:21 dbs I didn't realize I needed to rename the file :)
12:21 dbs super
12:23 dbs all good. Thanks phasefx!
12:23 phasefx welcome
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12:45 kmlussier Is it too soon to start setting bugs to "Won't Fix" if we know they will be fixed in the web client?
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13:22 csharp kmlussier: I would wait, personally - I'm still up for fixing minor XUL things if they buy us some time for the transition
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13:24 tsbere Not to mention that if any given issue actually ends up as a backend call issue it may get fixed for the xul side anyway.
13:27 kmlussier The bug that made me ask the question is bug 1068646. But I just rememberd we have a fixedinwebby tag that can be used for this purpose.
13:27 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1068646 in Evergreen "Improve Consistency of terms in registration and information sheet" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1068646
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13:52 dbs hey dbwells, are you using LDAPS for your auth mechanism?
13:53 dbs we might be cutting over from ssh portforwarded plaintext LDAP to direct LDAPS but aren't sure yet if it will "just work" with the LDAP authproxy
13:53 * dbs reads the nice, short LDAP_Auth.pm
13:55 dbs looks like setting the host to ldaps://hostname will do the trick. yay
14:17 dbwells dbs: I don't believe we are, would be a useful option to add certainly.
14:26 jeff the fun next question is usually: what trusted cert store is the connection going to be tested against, if any?
14:27 jeff not speaking of direct ldaps in Evergreen authproxy, but in more general terms with perl/python/etc libs.
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14:31 tsbere jeff: I would assume the default system store.
14:31 tsbere Usually that can be changed, but I doubt we did anything to change it.
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15:39 jwoodard can evergreen be installed on a surface tablet?
15:43 dbs jwoodard: the staff client?
15:43 dbs if it's a Surface Pro running an x86 chip, then I suspect yes
15:44 dbs if it's the Surface RT (ARM based), then almost certainly not
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15:56 jwoodard thanks dbs the boss had a question about her tablet
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