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Results for 2025-10-06

12:47 Dyrcona configure: error: "pgsql driver not installed?"
12:47 Dyrcona See 'config.log' for more details
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12:52 mantis does anyone enable Global Flags related to ingest?  We started giving it a try in our test server but our cataloger can't delete any records
12:52 mantis we enabled ingest.queued.biblio.all,
12:52 mantis ingest.queued.biblio.insert, and ingest.queued.biblio.update - not sure if that's overkill with .all enabled
12:53 mantis sorry also the .delete flag
13:06 Dyrcona mantis: maybe there's a cron job required for queued ingest? I don't remember.
13:07 Dyrcona ./config.log:configure:14202: gcc -qversion >&5
13:07 Dyrcona ./config.log:gcc: error: unrecognized command-line option '-qversion'; did you mean '--version'?
13:13 mantis just wondering if it's needed at all
13:37 Dyrcona mantis: Our production version doesn't have that feature.
13:43 Dyrcona The libdbi packages are installed, so it's a change in behavior in GCC.
13:51 Dyrcona OK! I fixed the test for libdbi. However, since we're looking for a dbi package, we can probably remove the test from configure.ac.
13:52 Dyrcona I think this should be a different bug from Lp 1325054.
13:52 pinesol Launchpad bug 1325054 in Evergreen "libdbi deprecation warnings when building Evergreen" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1325054
13:53 Dyrcona Now that I've fixed that a check libpcre fails.

Results for 2025-10-01

10:33 Dyrcona I added the filters in the implementation_config of the institution as shown in the example. I restarted SIPServer, but it's not redacting the field.
10:33 Dyrcona OK. Maybe my SIPServer is too old on this system.
10:34 Dyrcona Bingo.
10:42 Dyrcona I was missing the one commit that I was trying to test. :)
10:43 Dyrcona That also means this virtual machine is older than I thought.
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10:53 sandbergja eeevil: your fix for bug 2125510 has some ng lint issues, could you please fix them (see https://github.com/evergreen-library-system/Ever​green/actions/runs/18142067027/job/51635123330)?  Thank you!
15:52 Dyrcona Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/local/share/perl/5.34.0/O​penILS/Application/Vandelay.pm line 136.
15:52 Dyrcona We really should check that there is a value, and it an array reference before trying to dereference it.
15:53 Dyrcona Line 136: if ($e->search_vandelay_bib_queue( {name => $name, owner => $owner, queue_type => $type})->[0])
16:05 Dyrcona Did anyone test the background import manager?
16:08 csharp_ Dyrcona: we're using the background import manager - haven't heard of problems lately
16:09 csharp_ (3.14.3-ish)
16:12 csharp_ looking at nvm with an eye on how we're installing nodejs: https://github.com/nvm-sh/nvm

Results for 2025-09-26

11:28 sandbergja eeevil++
11:33 * eeevil idly wonders why action.hold_request_reset_reason_entry exists when action.unfulfilled_hold_list is right there, with the same structural purpose ... oh well
11:35 Dyrcona Perhaps someone didn't know about one when the other was created, or didn't know what the one did?
11:40 Dyrcona It sure is taking a long time to delete this staff account on my test database.
11:40 Dyrcona Twenty-two minutes so far.
11:45 eeevil Dyrcona: it's common for new features to reimplement existing wheels in EG, yes
11:49 Dyrcona Twenty-nine minutes and 36 seconds to delete this staff account. They must have had a lot of data.
12:39 Dyrcona eeevil++
12:40 Dyrcona Looks like my changes to actor.usr_delete and actor.usr_purge_data are working.
12:47 eeevil grabbing 1486
12:53 pinesol News from commits: Stamping upgrade script <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=747da79​4c4a8dafa79e99aff96b2a94af0bb69f7>
12:53 pinesol News from commits: LP2107581 (follow-up): adjust seed data, add a live test <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc2c28f​cf1d0fc09671bceef0a192681c5c18999>
12:53 pinesol News from commits: LP#2107581: Fix constraint on action.hold_request_reason_entry <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=68932c3​3507bee240d990822c12af25fcbb8e796>
12:53 pinesol News from commits: LP#2099920: attempt to fix hold targeter failures and quiet the logs <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c3717e​fc01bb220eff4964aa21908fd0fd31bfb>
12:57 Dyrcona Thinks this could use a pgtap test.
13:12 Dyrcona There is  a purge user live test that does not need to be changed.
14:24 Dyrcona I'm getting errors when doing --load-all-sampe with eg_db_conf on a 3.15.5 branch today. I don't feel like investigating right now, but it is probably worth looking into later
14:30 Dyrcona OK. Looks like I have a test that hits the main points of PII.
15:16 Dyrcona Should I include a data update beside the functions update to remove the data from the auditor.actor_usr_history and auditor.actor_usr_address_history tables or should I put that in the release note?
15:19 jeffdavis I'd vote for a data update.
15:19 JBoyer Since they could potentially run for a very long time and aren't actually related to the process of upgrading the database themselves, maybe the cleanup should be output via \qecho like the symspell sideload stuff is

Results for 2025-09-22

12:52 Dyrcona Interesting stuff: Looks like we've got some race conditions with patron updates and deletes, but those are rare. I've 1 setting and 2 "penalties" added to deleted patrons with timestamps right around the delete time.
13:11 Dyrcona I might split this up into multiple bugs....
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13:26 mantis had a question about the patron_loader.pl.  I'm testing it out with a csv that has cardnumber, usrname, profile, home_library, family_name, first_given_name filled out.  These are completely new patrons.  When running the script, I get these kinds of errors: line 6 could not find valid profile, id: none, column: 2 for 55555264687
13:27 mantis the way I'm reading it is there's no id which I'm assuming is for the actor.usr table
13:27 mantis btw the barcodes are just made up numbers
13:28 mantis I also get this error that shows with the --debug:  parameters: 1758561898,line 2 could not find valid home library, id: none, column: WDBURY for 55555264683,0,117
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13:35 jeffdavis looks to me like the missing id's in question are the profile (permission.grp_tree.id) and home_library (actor.org_unit.id)
13:36 jeffdavis i.e. that either your data contains profile and home lib values that aren't valid for the EG system you're running this on, or they weren't mapped successfuly to valid values
13:54 sandbergja I believe the profile should be the actual name of the profile (e.g. Patrons)
13:54 sandbergja based on this sample in the code base: https://github.com/evergreen-library-sys​tem/Evergreen/blob/main/Open-ILS/src/per​lmods/live_t/data/patrons-to-import.csv
13:54 sandbergja (^ mantis)
13:55 mantis ok so I was right about the shortcode
13:55 mantis thank you!
13:55 mantis I might update the current docs to reflect this if the test passes
13:55 sandbergja that would be great!
13:59 sandbergja full credit goes to Rogan for that sample CSV
13:59 mantis the script did process, but I don't see the patrons in the actor.usr table

Results for 2025-09-19

12:39 Dyrcona Looks like those deletes are not finishing but the function moves on...
12:41 Dyrcona Weird.
12:43 Dyrcona Think I'll update the gist to do what this copy does. Seeing the tables that the stuck data is in is probably more useful than getting the whole user row.
12:46 Dyrcona So, one example user that was recently purged had 2 rows left in auditor.actor_usr_history. This same user had the same data on a test system, so I ran the same delete that the usr_purge_data function does and the delete went through. I've got 144,925 rows in the output with actor_usr_history in them. That's the majority.
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12:59 Dyrcona I have a batch of users at the very beginning that were all purged soon after the migration to Evergreen in 2012. They all have a row in reporter.report_folder. I deleted one on my test server and that seemed to work.
13:09 Dyrcona Totally unrelated, but I swear I had saved some SQL to reset acq.edi_messages entries so that they would "resend," but can I find it today? Of course not.
13:18 Dyrcona I thought that there was a resend status I could stick on the messages in the database, but I'm not seeing it in the code.
13:20 Dyrcona Ah ha! It's retry.

Results for 2025-09-18

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09:43 Dyrcona So, this stuff that I was saying yesterday: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/​evergreen/2025-09-17#i_583595
09:45 Dyrcona It turns out not to be the order of the unions clauses because I got different results with the exact same query. I blame the differences on running it on a replication database, which can be unreliable for large queries.
09:46 Dyrcona When I run the queries with the unions in a different order on the production database, or a non-replicated test database, I get the same results every time.
09:50 Dyrcona Also, how do people using the Internet in 2025 not recognize a captcha when they see one?
10:00 Dyrcona If anyone is interested, my query to find deleted users with unpurged data finds 193,720 in production today. I could share the queries and/or the program to generate it later, probably via gist.
10:01 Bmagic_ Dyrcona++

Results for 2025-09-16

12:37 * csharp_ says the guy running PG 11 forevah
12:38 csharp_ planning to upgrade PG later in the fall
12:38 csharp_ not sure if 14 has any active orgs running it
12:39 Dyrcona We're on Pg 16 in production. I have Pg 17 on some test servers. I've never used Pg 14 much except for a little light testing.
12:40 jeffdavis We're on 14.
12:40 csharp_ yeah, seems like most sites kind of stayed on PG 10/11, then moved past 15 maybe, but that's anecdotal based on not much information
12:40 csharp_ ha! disproven out of the gate!

Results for 2025-09-15

09:57 * pinesol brews and pours a pot of Chamomile Lemon (Sweet Meadows), and sends it sliding down the bar to Dyrcona (http://ratetea.com/tea/numi/chamomile-lemon/504/)
09:57 mmorgan1 Bmagic: pinesol should have known what you meant!
10:03 Bmagic :)
10:31 Dyrcona I have had a report that the background import feature (https://docs.evergreen-ils.org/docs/latest/catalo​ging/batch_importing_MARC.html#background_import) isn't working on our 3.15 test system.
10:32 Dyrcona "[T]he load never completes and no queue is created if the option is selected." The user has the necessary permissions to use the feature.
10:35 Dyrcona "A server side batch job will periodically check for background import requests." Is that ingest_ctl?
10:36 Dyrcona Must be background_import_manager.pl.
11:39 pinesol News from commits: LP2114920 package-lock.json follow-up <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9caeef​886e25e5a48e1314411cfa07d294aac96>
11:49 Bmagic Dyrcona++ # I was grepping the repo for that script seeing where it was mentioned
11:51 Bmagic Dyrcona: I know this doesn't help, but I did find the release notes on the script https://evergreen-ils.org/documentation/rele​ase/RELEASE_NOTES_3_13.html#_acquisitions_6
11:54 Dyrcona Bmagic: Thanks! I just updated the crontab for opensrf on dev  to run it every minute. We'll see if we can fix the import to get it working. The person who was testing last week is out today.
11:55 Dyrcona My suspicion is that the wrong import type was selected. I think this is supposed to be an acq import.
11:55 Dyrcona "But anyway..."
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Results for 2025-09-10

13:28 mantis1 one question for those who use EDI - does anyone know how to reactiviate a PO?
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13:41 mantis1 we're also running into a problem where a file name is not producing, and based on the error message, this seems to be stemming from Evergreen and not the account setup or connection.  Does anyone know how the filename is produced?  That might give us a good start on where to look.
14:12 Dyrcona Well, related to acquisitions, I want to ask if anyone is using the Angular acq and having trouble running out of acq drones? We've had 1 person doing some basic stuff in acq on our test system, and we've gotten no children available with 35 drones.
14:13 Dyrcona mantis1: I can't answer your questions off the top of my head, but what does the error say?
14:17 sleary Dyrcona bug 2003973 maybe?
14:17 pinesol Launchpad bug 2003973 in Evergreen "Embedded copy attrs eats acq and actor drones" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2003973
14:42 Bmagic mantis1: you can issue a command on the command line on your utility server to debug a certain message or resend a certain message. I'll get the incantations, just a minute
14:42 Bmagic edi_order_pusher.pl --teset-mode --po-id <POID>
14:43 Bmagic uhhg
14:43 Bmagic edi_order_pusher.pl --test-mode --po-id <POID>
14:43 csharp_ not teset mode!  that's the worst mode!
14:43 Bmagic :)
14:43 Bmagic you can ask it to be more verbose to help diagnose:
14:46 Bmagic then you can update the status like this: UPDATE acq.edi_message set status='retry' where id=<DISCOVERED ID FROM STEP ONE> ;
14:47 Bmagic then you can run the order pusher again to resend just that one: edi_order_pusher.pl --po-id <POID> --verbose
14:49 Bmagic it goes without saying: be careful with update queries on production. It's a good idea to use psql command line, and put the update inside of a transaction by using BEGIN; first
14:50 mantis1 Bmagic: ran the test mode pusher and got back a crazy looking string
14:50 Bmagic lol, I see that teset poisoned my paste a bunch.
14:50 csharp_ mantis1: can you paste it somewhere like pastebin.com?
14:51 Bmagic mantis1: that's the EDI message. If you were a computer it would make sense :)  Suffice it to say:t that's expected and probably what the vendor needs in order to get the order started
14:55 Bmagic try putting this at the beginning of your command: export FTP_PASSIVE=1 &&
14:56 mantis1 mmorgan: we were and confirmed it was what they need
14:56 csharp_ the line is     eval { $filename = $self->_ftp->put(@{$self->{put_args}}) };
14:56 mantis1 Bmagic: for the test mode again?
14:56 csharp_ so at that point $self->_ftp is undefined
14:57 Bmagic the whole thing would be "export FTP_PASSIVE=1 && edi_order_pusher.pl --po-id 67414"
14:57 Bmagic It's not going to retry until you update the row in the DB as described above
15:03 mantis1 and the date updated to today
15:03 Bmagic It sounds like you need to edit your cron jobs and make sure export FTP_PASSIVE=1 &&     is prefixed on your fetcher/pusher command
15:04 mantis1 we also don't have a filename producing in the GUI either
15:04 Bmagic still seeing an error? In the logs? Was that error generated for your manual test?
15:04 mantis1 I'm seeing the error within the GUI
15:04 mantis1 under EDI Messages
15:05 mantis1 it's updated with the retry status though

Results for 2025-09-09

15:02 terranm #info terranm = Terran McCanna, PINES
15:02 shulabramble if so, it's going under New Business.
15:02 abneiman I did add something to the agenda, but it was not my existential crisis
15:02 shulabramble abneiman++ thanks for the heads up
15:03 shulabramble latecomers can continue introductions
15:03 shulabramble #topic Action Items from Last Meeting
15:03 shulabramble #topic sleary and sandbergja will report further progress on test writing wiki pages next month
15:04 sleary you may have noticed that we've been adding custom lint rules (and I have one more in the works)
15:04 sleary info on lint: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.ph​p?id=dev:contributing:qa#angular_lint
15:04 sleary there's a link there to a commit that can be checked out to use as a template for writing your own rules
15:04 sandbergja I also have a question for the group: we used to have a twice-daily update from the test-runner about whether tests were passing or failing.  That came to this IRC channel.
15:04 shulabramble sleary++
15:05 sandbergja would anybody find that (or something similar) useful?
15:06 * mmorgan would say Yes.
15:07 shulabramble sandbergja++
15:08 mmorgan sandbergja++
15:08 mmorgan sleary++
15:09 shulabramble do y'all want to report on this again next month, or do you feel like the test-writing wiki page is good as of now?
15:09 sandbergja I could go either way
15:09 sandbergja sleary?
15:09 sleary I think we will have a discussion item later about using git hooks, but that can be a separate agenda item
15:24 shulabramble sleary++
15:24 Bmagic signoff rather
15:25 shulabramble #topic there are several high priority bugs with pull requests that need review; https://wiki.evergreen-ils.or​g/doku.php?id=dev:code_review has the roundup as well as some filtered Launchpad links.
15:26 sleary I'm sure a bunch of those are OPAC accessibility bugs. I'll be happy to answer any questions about how to test those once  bug 2122448 is behind us.
15:26 pinesol Launchpad bug 2122448 in Evergreen "Clearing the shelving location in the holdings editor crashes the browser" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2122448 - Assigned to Stephanie Leary (stephanieleary)
15:26 shulabramble sleary++
15:27 shulabramble If there's no more new business, then --

Results for 2025-09-08

14:58 csharp_ (I think I reversed those - j is down, I think)
14:59 csharp_ they have been absorbed into the csharpmatrix
15:07 Dyrcona Probably the same as vi(m).
15:08 Dyrcona So, we're having an issue with Angular print templates on our test system, and I wonder what would cause this: eg.print.template.error {name: 'hold_pull_list', id: undefined}
15:08 Dyrcona I'm assuming no data coming back. A busted IDL would probably be visible elsewhere.
15:09 csharp_ Dyrcona: I see that when something perl-ish is not compiling
15:10 Dyrcona OK. I'll check for syntax errors.

Results for 2025-08-28

09:36 * Dyrcona gives it a try with snakeoil.pem.
10:30 pinesol News from commits: LP#2096672: Simple Reports template folder <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=f8113a2​63db93843466d06e27c1b920d08817f30>
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11:05 Dyrcona Whee! Got postgres_openssl to work with rust at least for my test database.
11:17 Dyrcona TLS doesn't work with ssh tunnels. I get a hostname mismatch with the certificate. That's good to know, but TLS should also not be needed with a ssh tunnel. :)
11:23 Dyrcona Added an option to set sslmode and I can connect over a ssh tunnel by setting it to "disable." :)
11:26 Dyrcona Rust is OK as far as languages go. :)
15:23 Dyrcona ok, gonna be more "rustic" this time around. less perly.
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15:31 pinesol News from commits: Docs: Resolves LP#2121614 <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d50843​1a6b10c00c007af3ef09c3c6d45c9328e>
16:11 Bmagic eeevil++ # I'll give that branch some testing
16:16 eeevil Bmagic: cool, thanks. note: the way the message bus is set up has changed significantly. please take a look at the new stuff in osrf_control, and note too the new way that the redis default user password is set up in /etc/redis/redis.conf via the "requirepass" setting (see: `osrf_control --help|less` for info, along with the commit message and docs changes)
16:45 Bmagic eeevil: thanks for pointing that out, will do!
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Results for 2025-08-20

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10:22 sandbergja Heya!  If anybody is looking for a quick pull request to review and/or wants to learn more about Perl tests, I would appreciate a review on bug 2121068
10:22 pinesol Launchpad bug 2121068 in Evergreen "Get staged patrons (aka patron self-registration) under test" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2121068
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14:54 Dyrcona berick: Do you have a recommendation for a crate to connect to PostgreSQL from Rust?

Results for 2025-08-14

12:14 Bmagic mmorgan ^ sorry for the late reply
12:15 jeffdavis Any relation to this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2081327
12:15 pinesol Launchpad bug 2081327 in Evergreen "Angular Circulation cannot save a patron" [High,Confirmed]
12:15 mmorgan Bmagic: no issues saving a new patron, or editing a patron on main ca. 2 weeks ago (plus a few patches for testing)
12:15 mmorgan Angularjs
12:18 Bmagic it might be, I'll have to dig. I'll reply back
12:18 Bmagic mmorgan++
12:46 Dyrcona @coin

Results for 2025-08-12

15:02 sleary #info sleary = Stephanie Leary, EOLI
15:04 shulabramble Latecomers can introduce themselves as they enter
15:04 smayo #info smayo = Steven Mayo, PINES
15:04 shulabramble #topic Action Items from Last Meeting
15:04 shulabramble #topic sleary and sandbergja will report further progress on test writing wiki pages next month
15:04 sandbergja There's this puppy, feedback very welcome: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/dok​u.php?id=qa:preventing_regressions
15:05 shulabramble sandbergja++
15:05 sleary sandbergja has made great progress on improving the tests themselves; see bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bugs?field​.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated
15:05 shulabramble #info feedback appreciated on https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/dok​u.php?id=qa:preventing_regressions
15:05 sleary ... paste fail, sorry, that's http://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bugs?fie​ld.searchtext=&amp;orderby=-date_last_updated
15:06 sleary we are working on more custom lint rules, and will update the wiki accordingly
15:07 shulabramble wanna do a further update next month?
15:07 sandbergja sleary++ # indeed
15:07 sleary absolutely
15:07 shulabramble #action sleary and sandbergja will report further progress on test writing wiki pages next month
15:07 shulabramble yay! moving on.
15:07 shulabramble #topic gmcharlt will be calling an organizing meeting for the nascent Infrastructure Committee
15:08 sleary I belive gmcharlt is out today
15:09 shulabramble sleary++ we'll kick that
15:09 shulabramble #action gmcharlt will be calling an organizing meeting for the nascent Infrastructure Committee
15:42 * mmorgan kicks a tumbleweed
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17:57 pinesol News from commits: lp2120490: Add a custom eslint rule to catch untranslatable column labels <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=27c27f2​753aef09be27fa7775e1a58324973f0f2>
23:27 pinesol News from commits: LP2116978: resolve angular unit test runtime error <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=741c1ad​6647ffbc73ea752906b8f404adbe3d662>
23:27 pinesol News from commits: LP#2111291 follow-up: ng lint fixes <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=e52f261​1927bd68f277569eb32f10d7d1f3ad588>

Results for 2025-08-10

12:19 pinesol News from commits: LP1770979 Follow-up: get unit test passing and automated lint fixes <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=0f98d59​c8303a66fef231afd133efc1f10515bc0>
12:19 pinesol News from commits: LP1770979 Follow-up: add placeholder to readonly field <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=167aebe​66b01ed439979fcbf4faca09b30cc8a8d>
12:19 pinesol News from commits: LP2013792 Angularize Item Alert Types Administration <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=e064c91​8cf659b91be2347a3d34b9f56a2acb103>
12:19 pinesol News from commits: LP1770979 Copy Alert Type Angular / translatable name <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc6e42d​ff9a7543f5122e913de3dfab61759c7ad>

Results for 2025-08-09

16:16 pinesol News from commits: LP1958076: stamp upgrade script <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=423ae47​da20b0a75eb6d3b3a9f6e45d1bc09bc1c>
16:16 pinesol News from commits: LP1958076 Grid settings for EDI Attribute Sets admin <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=47ce7f7​f05e7b899d36107df00860574d4eece2b>
17:16 pinesol News from commits: LP2051382: add a more detailed release note <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=dfc3a5b​60368a57068c8ed046cdfb41510656aff>
17:16 pinesol News from commits: LP2051382 Remove SlimPAC and all references to it. <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=b772df9​b8c7236c24a65af4d53231df1cfbac8f6>
19:16 pinesol News from commits: LP#2117419: stamp upgrade script <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd03cae​59b67eede93cfb5696205996b22fd2b6d>
19:16 pinesol News from commits: LP#2117419 follow-up: add a pgtap test <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=2239ada​592614e8c57c12c09459105f84f1e9e49>
19:16 pinesol News from commits: LP#2117419: Check all sf on templated record overlay <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c97ddb​1eaf6161242ea5e8218719cfeaf361468>
19:46 pinesol News from commits: LP2115369 OPAC Replace ban icon with circle-xmark <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1ffb83​f6928730cd323b0c72524f514e94f5c39>
20:46 pinesol News from commits: lp1908764: stamp upgrade script <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=7188862​9419b4efd6ba47a0df469aeb551292aa8>
20:46 pinesol News from commits: lp1908764_Survey_Admin_Save_Grid_Settings <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=d057a69​72eac2bcd7195ee30cf3f585d709b540e>
20:46 pinesol News from commits: lp2069220: stamp upgrade script <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Ev​ergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c66b3a​14fbbcdf5722e7aecf4ab23e1541759dc>

Results for 2025-08-07

09:42 Dyrcona OOM killer took out apache2.
09:43 Dyrcona Hey. We have a list for these things, now.
09:59 csharp_ Dyrcona++
10:02 Dyrcona I should have run this other test thing with `time`.
10:02 Dyrcona Oh well... I'm sure I'll do it again soon enough.
10:09 Bmagic sounds like a job for.... Anubis!
10:10 berick it's a bird, it's a plane, it's an Egyptian god of funerary rites!

Results for 2025-08-06

12:06 * sleary points a sonic screwdriver at pinesol
12:14 Dyrcona eeevil: Do you think authority_authority_linker.pl would work in parallel?
12:16 eeevil Dyrcona: today, pre-THAT-patch, I assume you mean? hrm... it should be able to in theory, because it doesn't actually change any headings, it just adds $0s to variant term fields ... BUT, that doesn't mean we're not doing the naive thing and just letting it do an auth reingest that triggers (useless) browse entry updates
12:27 Dyrcona Well, I got it down to 22 hours on my test system by doing batches of 10,000 records at a time. Doing the --all option took almost 72 hours.
12:28 Dyrcona I've been asked about running both the authority to authority linker and authority control fields in production, so I'm trying to estimate how long it will take.
12:29 Dyrcona I am going to test with the parallel browse ingest branch this time.
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13:40 mixo Hello! I am trying to generate reports but when I click "View Report Output" I get an ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS error.
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15:40 eeevil so that both addresses the rebase conflict /and/ brings back the SUBSTRING() calls
15:54 Dyrcona eeevil++
15:54 Dyrcona I'll update my test system.
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Results for 2025-07-29

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10:27 sleary sandbergja I found this last night and I love how simple the custom tests are. https://biomejs.dev/blog/biome-v2 They're not quite done with the HTML piece, though -- https://github.com/biomejs/biome/pull/6907
10:29 eeevil sandbergja: I see you grabbed the might_have reporting patch. please do not commit that. it is incorrect.
10:30 eeevil the fix is to use has_a instead of might_have. there is NEVER a case where an actual, extant column on a table should be described in an associated <link> entry with might_have.
10:30 sandbergja sleary++ # that looks cool!
10:32 eeevil "and there will only ever be exactly ONE remote object"
10:32 sandbergja gotcha
10:33 eeevil it's the 0-or-1 version of has_many, which is 0-or-more
10:36 sandbergja eeevil: would you object to a perl test that parses the fm_IDL.xml and confirms that there are no non-virtual might_have links?  It might be easier to remember *not* to do that if some automation helps us out.
10:39 eeevil we should be able to do that with the xsd, and just call xmllint to test. that seems more correct since we're trying to enforce an xml schema. but I won't stand in the way of /any/ tests, if perl gets it done
10:42 sandbergja ah that would work, I like that idea
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11:06 Dyrcona It's too hot to think.
14:45 sandbergja eeevil: I made a branch to get xmllint passing schema validation again, and put it into github actions so we can catch problems earlier.  Would you mind taking a look if you have time?  bug 2119034
14:45 pinesol Launchpad bug 2119034 in Evergreen "Get xmllint passing again and check it in github actions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2119034
14:45 jeffdavis smayo++ # adding the explanation of might_have etc to the wiki
14:47 sandbergja I came to the realization that I have No Idea At All how to add an assertion about the might_have must be virtual assertion to the schema, I'd be happy to write a Perl test, or just a ticket so somebody who knows how to do the xml schema approach can work their magic
14:47 sandbergja smayo++
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14:53 eeevil sandbergja: I'm not familiar with the GH bits, but the topmost commit looks great. we don't have any instances of unbounded, but that's the semantic default, so, +1 to that addition
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14:54 sandbergja eeevil: thanks for taking a look!
14:55 eeevil I'll push a signoff for that commit now, unless you're planning to jump on a perl-ish test soon, in which case I'll commit to pushing the whole shebang (relatively) quickly! :)
14:57 sandbergja I think the perl-ish will come later, I think I've spent all the XML time I can today haha
14:58 eeevil FWIW, the reltype rules are in a comment at the top of fm_IDL.xml in the fix (and sandbergja's) branch. hopefully once that's in, it'll be a useful reminder
14:58 eeevil but, wiki++

Results for 2025-07-25

10:30 Dyrcona Oh wait, I missed this bit: "the special strings "{user}" and "{pass}", which are substituted with the username and password supplied in the Init request."
10:33 * Dyrcona stops looking believing it to be possible, but not necessarily easy.
10:33 Dyrcona ...nor desirable.
10:48 * Dyrcona considers trying it on a test system, but it's Friday and no one has actually asked for it. It's just speculative based on something a vendor said.
10:51 Dyrcona And, that's cool: sending usernames and passwords in the clear, like it's 1992.
10:56 Dyrcona On an unrelated, but still Evergreen, note: I've noticed that the performance of the authority_authority_linker.pl can vary widely from one batch of records to another. I also supect that I have a couple just outright fail to start.
11:13 Dyrcona oof. I should probably truncate the 44GB log file and start over next week.

Results for 2025-07-18

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09:45 eeevil csharp_ / mantis: shouldn't be any deadlocks anymore, but browse data ingest causes serialization, at least until someone tests, confirms, and signs off my branch at https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2091748 ... I never heard back about the details of the first attempt, so I can't diagnose what when wrong in that test
09:45 pinesol Launchpad bug 2091748 in Evergreen "Concurrent browse entry update/insert" [Wishlist,New]
09:59 csharp_ eeevil: I'll take another look when I can
10:01 eeevil csharp_++ (though, if anyone else is interested in non-serialized record ingest, please don't serialize yourselves behind csharp_! more eyes, etc etc)

Results for 2025-07-17

10:09 pinesol News from commits: Stamp baseline db version for LP#1648276 <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=E​vergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=02889b​2bca033d4cc61664dd8b4a2181774faf18>
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13:38 csharp_ on Rocky9, Makefile.install is going to take a long time because of the many unpackaged Perl modules required
13:40 csharp_ build mod from source, fail test because of missing dependency, build *that* module from source, rinse, repeat
13:41 csharp_ some of the dependency modules may be available in the RPM repos, but that grows heads quickly
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14:50 JBoyer No cpan?
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15:59 csharp_ JBoyer: yeah, CPAN is what's taking forever
16:00 csharp_ also a lot of failures - I think I must be missing something SSL-ish on my server because all the HTTPS tests are failing
16:00 JBoyer Oh, I was reading the "fail, install dep, retry" thing the wrong way.
16:01 JBoyer You could pass the -T param to cpan to tell it to not even bother, that will speed things up.
16:01 JBoyer though if a test should fail because *handwave* you wouldn't know, but it's fine for testing.
16:01 JBoyer (so to speak)
16:08 csharp_ :-)
16:28 jeff depending on your reasoning for using Rocky, and the reason or reasons why you're installing packages from source, it might be worth it to go whole hog and install Perl with perlbrew, cpanm, and let cpanm chase all your deps. I'm not sure how old the packaged version of things is for Rocky 9, but ISTR RHEL (which isn't Rocky, I know) being a good place to not mess with the system Perl.
16:36 mantis would running the marc stream importer during operating hours but with a small file cause issues with the system?  We can't load records among a few other things
16:38 csharp_ aha - looks like bug 2044197
16:38 pinesol Launchpad bug 2044197 in Evergreen "Evergreen can fail to connect to authorize.net" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2044197
16:39 csharp_ jeff: sorry I wasn't clear earlier - I am installing via CPAN and my complaints were that CPAN's builds would succeed but tests would fail
16:39 csharp_ but it does look like this Net::SSLeay bug is the same thing I'm seeing here
16:42 csharp_ so... yeah, not just Rocky 9, but looks like the same cause
16:42 csharp_ jeff: also - installing on Rocky to hopefully branch us out from being an Ubuntu/Debian-only app
16:44 csharp_ I guess since we use the Ubuntu-packaged versions of some of the OnlinePayment modules we don't see the tests fail
16:45 csharp_ so basically, https://xkcd.com/2347/
16:46 csharp_ mantis: I don't use the stream importer for anything, but anything that potentially locks the table for an update could cause other updates to fail
16:46 csharp_ mantis: PG logs should be helpful
16:50 csharp_ mantis: also, stream-y bib updates are prone to deadlocks in my experience - there's a bug from eeevil about that somewhere
16:50 csharp_ our bib/authority updates are slowed down on purpose - little turtles just making their way across the road, eventually getting there but not in a hurry
17:02 mantis csharp: do you know which PG logs in particular?  I'm just unfamiliar with vandelay.  I was able to trace in our server logs that it is an issue trying to commit something to the database
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Results for 2025-07-14

13:12 Lorne pinesol ur slow lol
13:12 pinesol Lorne: http://i.imgur.com/VhlQK.gif
13:17 Lorne FWIW, Azure Cloud seems to handle the bot traffic pretty well (though Azure is more of an enterprise-level solution)
13:24 csharp_ dusted off my Rocky 9 OpenSRF branch and it works!
13:25 csharp_ stephengwills: see the bug Lorne shared - add that to eg_vhost.conf and things should improve
13:26 csharp_ stephengwills: n.b. - make sure you test your third-party stuff - we had to make a path exception for opac paths so things like e-card registration still work
13:26 csharp_ @blame the bots
13:26 pinesol csharp_: the bots is the SPY!
13:26 csharp_ pinesol: well that's obvious
13:26 pinesol csharp_: Try restarting apache.

Results for 2025-07-11

09:31 Dyrcona 23 hours, now.
09:34 Dyrcona It spews a lot of warnings and errors in records. Guess I should collect those for the cataloging staff.
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12:19 pinesol News from commits: LP2111731: Fix test that failed on Firefox <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=E​vergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=af06c8​d644e6e5cc263aa25a0d611d3c4edaf967>
12:19 pinesol News from commits: LP2111731: Allow angular unit tests to run without OpenSRF installed <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=E​vergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=4dd32c​33487a727bc22e8eeb62cfba67ea9b7d70>
13:04 mmorgan sleary++
13:04 mmorgan Thanks for correcting my oops!
13:20 sleary np!
14:19 pinesol News from commits: LP#1648276: Add Shelving (copy) Location to Hold Matrix <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=E​vergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=f19a39​00af8395f29e212ab5d1267b5d2812abff>
14:19 pinesol News from commits: LP2097313: Followup to correct pgdg archive key path <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=E​vergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6f879​ab8f0f3934ea8f0f71120372cfdbd29980>
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14:45 sandbergja @later tell Dyrcona: if you have the appetite for an experiment, there is a Rust version of the authority_authority linker: https://github.com/kcls/evergreen-universe-rs/blob​/main/evergreen-bin/src/bin/auth-to-auth-linker.rs -- in my testing it was a bit faster than the Perl one (although the bottleneck is database operations I believe, and it
14:45 pinesol sandbergja: The operation succeeded.
14:45 sandbergja doesn't change any of that logic)
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Results for 2025-07-09

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11:36 csharp_ whoever manages EOLI1 test server, I've updated the branch for bug 1648276, so if someone could update it that would be awesome
11:36 pinesol Launchpad bug 1648276 in Evergreen "Wishlist: Ability to Configure Hold Policies Based on Shelving Location" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1648276 - Assigned to Chris Sharp (chrissharp123)
12:11 sleary that's JBoyer
12:15 csharp_ @praise JBoyer

Results for 2025-07-08

15:01 terranm #info terranm = Terran McCanna, PINES
15:02 shulabramble We've got potentially lengthy discussions at the end of this so lets forge on, people can continue introductions as they filter in
15:02 csharp_ #info csharp = Chris Sharp, GPLS
15:02 shulabramble #topic Action Items from Last Meeting
15:02 shulabramble #topic sleary and sandbergja will report progress on test writing wiki pages next month
15:03 sleary updates! I added a couple links to the agenda
15:03 shulabramble #info https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.​php?id=dev:contributing:qa#common_th​ings_that_break_angular_unit_tests
15:03 shulabramble #info custom ESLint rules, e.g. #lp2019139
15:04 shulabramble #info custom ESLint rules, e.g. lp2019139
15:04 abneiman sleary++ sandbergja++
15:04 sleary sandbergja and I are working on adding some common "if you changed X in your code, you'll need to do Y in the unit tests" examples; if you've run across test-breaking things, we'd love your input
15:04 shulabramble sleary++ sandbergja++
15:04 sleary we are also working on custom lint rules as described in that LP bug
15:04 redavis sleary++ sandbergja++
15:04 terranm sleary++ sandbergja++
15:05 shulabramble y'all want to keep this as an action item still? provide updates every month on progress?
15:05 sleary sure
15:06 shulabramble #action sleary and sandbergja will report further progress on test writing wiki pages next month
15:06 shulabramble #topic Bmagic will look into transferring POeditor account ownership to a generic EG account/moving this task to the nascent Infrastructure Committee
15:06 sandbergja sounds good!
15:06 jeff sleary++ sandbergja++
15:07 gmcharlt one note that the POEditor account is already under a generic evergreen-ils.org account
15:22 shulabramble dig++
15:22 terranm dig++
15:22 sandbergja dig++
15:23 shulabramble if there's nothing more from updates, then we'll move on.
15:23 shulabramble to everyone's favorite moment -- the wall of text
15:23 shulabramble #topic Launchpad Status (as of noon Eastern)
15:23 shulabramble #topic Snapshot
15:23 shulabramble #info Open Bugs - 3324
15:23 shulabramble #info Pullrequests - 115
15:23 shulabramble #info Signedoff - 31
15:23 shulabramble #info Needswork - 95
15:23 shulabramble #info Needstestplan - 3
15:23 shulabramble #info Needsrebase - 24
15:23 shulabramble #topic Updates Since Last Meeting
15:23 shulabramble #info Bugs Added - 92
15:23 shulabramble #info Pullrequest tag Added - 60
15:23 shulabramble #info Signedoff tag Added - 26
15:24 shulabramble #info Needswork tag Added - 1
15:24 shulabramble #info Needstestplan tag Added - 0
15:24 shulabramble #info Needsrebase tag Added - 1
15:24 shulabramble #info Fix Committed - 17
15:24 shulabramble #topic New Business
15:24 shulabramble #topic Can we start accepting code pull requests via github as an option?
15:25 shulabramble #info DIG's github procedure - https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=evergreen-docs:github-workflow
15:25 shulabramble #info Pros: reviewers and contributors can see some test and lint results before committing, a nice UI for reviewers to see what has changed
15:25 shulabramble #info Cons: yet another workflow to learn and deal with, github is not a FOSS platform
15:26 sandbergja This was from me!  As a reviewer, I find it much easier to review contributions to projects in Github or Gitlab.  There has been various talk in the community about whether moving EVERYTHING to github or gitlab might be desirable.  I wanted to propose this as an incremental step to test the waters a bit more
15:26 shulabramble Anyone have input on this? opinions?
15:26 shulabramble sandbergja++
15:27 sandbergja I am sure the pros and cons lists are woefully short, apologies
15:32 abneiman that was a terrible joke gmcharlt. I cackled.
15:32 sandbergja jeff: good questions.  I definitely think we would need to make sure to keep the lp bug links, and would need to amend commits that did not refer to an lp.  The DIG procedure does not currently involve pressing the Big Green Button in the github ui, but cherry-picking the relevant commits, so there is ample opportunity to check them while committing
15:32 redavis gmcharlt, that was delightful.
15:34 gmcharlt I think there may be an initial compromise formulation
15:34 gmcharlt namely, for now, leaning into the review functionality in particular
15:35 gmcharlt i.e., turning a normal pull request into a GH one specifically for the purpose of doing a Fisk-style review or running the tests
15:35 gmcharlt as long as there are cross-references between GH and LP
15:35 shulabramble question: is this something that might be best discussed in an email thread and revisited next month?
15:35 gmcharlt and that sort of pull request could be done by anybody, not just the original submitter
15:36 abneiman ^^ ensuring cross refs to LP is my biggest concern
15:55 gmcharlt likewise, but regardless, we'll nonetheless make 4.0 a release to remember :)
15:55 shulabramble jeffdavis++
15:56 gmcharlt (nothing that I say this as somebody who has a very strong preference for keeping debates about version numbering as short as possible)
15:56 shulabramble #action jeffdavis will email the dev list about launchpad hygiene for 4.0-beta etc
15:56 shulabramble #topic Feedback requested: QA checklist for grids (with potential automated tests highlighted) - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RDNU4d78wX9w​fQjdFsY2PHjLQwjTXbSXLqZdHXrjBNk/edit?usp=sharing
15:57 sleary ah, this is me. Based on gmcharlt's excellent checklist for database tables and columns, here is one for grids!
15:57 sandbergja sleary++
15:57 sleary sandbergja and I have noted which ones seem like candidates for automated testing
15:58 jeff "This checklist. I like it. ANOTHER!"
15:58 jeff sleary++
15:58 sleary feel free to comment on the checklist and/or assign yourself to experiment with writing a test
15:58 sleary I will migrate this to the wiki eventually
15:58 shulabramble sleary++
15:59 terranm sleary++
15:59 shulabramble #info feel free to comment on the checklist and/or assign yourself to experiment with writing a test - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RDNU4d78wX9w​fQjdFsY2PHjLQwjTXbSXLqZdHXrjBNk/edit?usp=sharing
15:59 shulabramble #topic Announcements
15:59 shulabramble #topic Next Meeting is 12 August 2025
16:00 shulabramble We got anything more?
16:00 shulabramble in that case, solidly on the hour -
16:00 shulabramble #endmeeting

Results for 2025-07-03

09:07 Dyrcona It might have not had permission to write the error log. I can change where that goes, too. I think it was an oversight to put it in the "WORKDIR." Think I'll set a LOGDIR variable.
09:08 Dyrcona Anyway, I'm uploading the zipped file and it seems to be working.
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09:22 Dyrcona Oh! I was also testing that checkin program that had issues with 3.15 on 3.7 again this morning, and it works. I'll have to check AssetCommon for a potential bug on 3.15.
09:53 csharp_ bleh... looks like I didn't set up letsencrypt to autorenew
09:53 csharp_ on list.evergreen-ils.org
09:53 csharp_ *sigh*
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15:41 mmorgan Anyone on 3.15 that can check the patron search screen in the client? The org unit selector for the Home Library isn't opening on my test system. I suspect it's me, but it would be nice if someone could confirm that it works on 3.15. My test system is 3.15.2.
15:49 Dyrcona mmorgan: It's working on my test system. Did you run autogen.sh?
15:51 Dyrcona Working on both of my 3.15 test systems actually.
15:51 mmorgan Dyrcona: Good to hear that! I didn't run autogen. It's a docker container just built.
15:52 Dyrcona Do you see org units elsewhere?
15:54 Dyrcona I'm signing out in a few minutes.

Results for 2025-06-30

15:51 Dyrcona We do export records for a couple of libraries using Summon, but I don't know if Summon connects to our catalog or not. I don't recall making any accounts for them in Evergreen.
15:51 Dyrcona If they're scraping the OPAC, good luck to 'em. :)
15:58 Dyrcona oof. I think I googed something up.
16:00 Dyrcona yeahp. Just used the item prefix for barcodes when I should have used the patron prefix. Not  a biggie since it is only in testing now.
16:02 jeffdavis Summon scrapes the OPAC for real-time availability and I think EDS does too.
16:02 jeffdavis I kind of agree with "good luck to em" but our members presumably feel otherwise.
16:13 Dyrcona Yeah, of course. We also have some with EDS.

Results for 2025-06-26

12:46 Dyrcona Yeahp. Eleven thousand five hundred thirty-eight lost item events generated today.
12:46 redavis Yeahp indeed
12:46 Dyrcona Looks like it is almost done.
12:48 Dyrcona Has about 2,569 left to process. I may not get to test what I actually wanted to test today, but I'm 99% confident it will work. (I added some lines to log when certain parts of a process run, and that process depends on some action triggers happening.)
12:49 Dyrcona it might have finished by now if it had not been suspended for so long.
12:56 jeff redavis++ thanks!
12:56 redavis Sure thing :-)
13:00 redavis It's a pretty info rich topic and I suspect it's going to become more so quickly.
13:04 Dyrcona jeff: No. I mentioned earlier that I'm running this on a copy of production that hasn't been updated in almost a month (June 1).
13:04 Dyrcona So, its way more than our usual.
13:04 Dyrcona I'm not even testing that. I want to see if my log statements work as expected.
13:05 Dyrcona i suppose I could just run that part without waiting on the rest.
13:05 Dyrcona It should still work, even when there's nothing to do.
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14:07 jeff ah! thanks!
14:09 redavis Sure thing :-)
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14:50 Dyrcona Guess my tech is working so far. I tested audio and video with Zoom.
14:51 sleary I have not rescheduled UI group yet; I wanted to wait a bit for the other group schedules to shake out. And I've been out. It's on my list for this week!
14:52 redavis The meeting is open.
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Results for 2025-06-20

14:54 berick valkey is the assumed replacement, at least last it was discussed.  i think we're just watiing for packages to be generally available
14:54 berick (they may be by now)
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16:56 jeff Valkey has been looking like the most popular / healthy alternative, with lots of backing... also, in the meantime, antirez returned to Redis and they appear to have switched from the (unpopular, fork-inciting) SSPL license to AGPL.
16:56 jeff oh, and I see I failed to hit enter earlier and berick has answered in the meantime. :-)
16:58 jeff Valkey packages are in testing (trixie) and in stable-backports (bookworm-backports): https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/valkey

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