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| 08:38 |
redavis |
Good morning Dyrcona |
| 08:39 |
Dyrcona |
Good morning, redavis! |
| 08:49 |
Dyrcona |
Turns out that I also need the 1310 db upgrade to get a database loaded on a more recent PostgreSQL version than 12 or 13. |
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* Dyrcona |
waits on another pg_dump. |
| 08:52 |
redavis |
I think "pg_dump" is going to be my vibe for the day. |
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kmlussier |
Good morning #evergreen! |
| 08:54 |
kmlussier |
@coffee redavis |
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* pinesol |
brews and pours a cup of Kenya Mamuto, and sends it sliding down the bar to redavis |
| 08:54 |
kmlussier |
@tea Dyrcona |
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* pinesol |
brews and pours a pot of Chamomile (Sachet), and sends it sliding down the bar to Dyrcona (http://ratetea.com/tea/harney/chamomile-sachet/5103/) |
| 08:54 |
redavis |
good morning kmlussier |
| 08:54 |
Dyrcona |
Good morning, kmlussier! |
| 08:54 |
* Dyrcona |
has not had an actual tea yet today. |
| 08:55 |
Dyrcona |
Maybe that's my cue to brew a cup. |
| 08:55 |
redavis |
I'm still workin' on my protein shake. |
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Dyrcona |
So, this is where our continued support of out of support database software bites us. |
| 09:11 |
redavis |
That's already on the hackaway list of topics, right? |
| 09:11 |
* redavis |
goes to look |
| 09:11 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I'm working on a branch to drop Pg 10, 11, and 12 for 3.14-rc and main. |
| 09:11 |
Dyrcona |
That's what prompted my comment. |
| 09:12 |
redavis |
++ |
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| 09:22 |
sandbergja |
Any objections to me forward-porting the 3.13.4-3.14-beta-upgrade-db script to rel_3_14? I was getting ready to backport bug 2083866 (thanks, Dyrcona!), but... couldn't fix the version upgrade script since it wasn't there. |
| 09:22 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2083866 in Evergreen "Fix upgrade_log insert for 1439 DB upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2083866 |
| 09:22 |
Dyrcona |
I wonder if we should also delete the obsolete links for the fts config in Open-ILS/src/sql/Pg? I'll leave that for another time. I think there was an argument that someone might need them for some reason. |
| 09:23 |
Dyrcona |
sandbergja: Do we usually wait until the .0 to put the upgrade script in place? |
| 09:24 |
sandbergja |
I wasn't sure. I guess: are you planning to refine the existing beta script for rc and 3.14.0? Or regenerate it then? |
| 09:25 |
Dyrcona |
I don't know. I haven't gotten there, yet. I was also out sick most of last week and Bmagic put the final tarball together. |
| 09:25 |
Dyrcona |
I normally have a plan, but this time, I don't. |
| 09:26 |
sandbergja |
Fair enough! I'll leave it alone for now, then. |
| 09:26 |
sandbergja |
Hope you are feeling better now! |
| 09:28 |
Dyrcona |
It's allergies, I think, so it still comes and goes, but yeah, I'm feeling better overall. |
| 09:32 |
pinesol |
News from commits: LP2083866: Fix config.upgrade_log insert in 1439 db upgrade <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=534a52e2bbd00305bc5eb3c7a3103ad33d23f5b7> |
| 09:32 |
pinesol |
News from commits: Update my_lists.adoc <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=7791bff90b7b38701ebe064bd7ac84aedf5283d4> |
| 09:32 |
pinesol |
News from commits: Docs: Update terms in describing_your_organization.adoc <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2430a454cba571c2322d82a5fae875aed693c66> |
| 09:35 |
Dyrcona |
Ugh. Wrong bug number in my commit message. |
| 09:35 |
Dyrcona |
Have to force push. |
| 09:37 |
Dyrcona |
I guess I'll add a release note about upgrading PostgreSQL while I'm fixing that. |
| 09:42 |
Dyrcona |
Heh. We are no longer compatible with older PostgreSQL versions because of a type named "anycompatible." |
| 09:43 |
Dyrcona |
Hrm... |
| 09:44 |
Dyrcona |
Think I'll add it directly to RELEASE_NOTES_3_14.adoc, or is that a bad idea? |
| 09:46 |
sandbergja |
That makes sense to me Dyrcona |
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Dyrcona |
I'm going to add an Architecture section before Circulation. Looks like it would go there. |
| 09:52 |
Dyrcona |
markdown and asciidoc are just different enough that I always have to remind myself how to do links in asciidoc. |
| 09:52 |
Dyrcona |
I have a tendency to just type the simpler markdown format. |
| 09:59 |
Dyrcona |
Hrm. Maybe asciidoc is simpler, but I've been doing markdown more than asciidoc lately. |
| 10:00 |
redavis |
I'm not sure that one is simpler than the other. I think it's just as you describe - what you've been using most recently. I always want to use html linking...and it's most assuredly not simpler than asciidoc or markdown. |
| 10:02 |
pinesol |
News from commits: LP2081634: update legacy password field to demo123 in concerto dataset <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a2db6ee237334183374d0e868fd13be2e49a179> |
| 10:04 |
Dyrcona |
I'm gonna move it to the top. |
| 10:04 |
Dyrcona |
The architecture section, I mean. |
| 10:07 |
* Dyrcona |
has to step out a minute. |
| 10:15 |
eeevil |
csharp_: re yesterday's MFA question about authen::webauthn, yes, we need a newer version than the package (0.003 at minimum). in fact, 0.004 added a new feature mere weeks after I finished the initial implementation that we're going to want to use in the future (untrusted attestations) |
| 10:21 |
csharp_ |
eeevil: perfect - thanks! |
| 10:21 |
csharp_ |
@band add Dragon Drop |
| 10:21 |
pinesol |
csharp_: Band 'Dragon Drop' added to list |
| 10:25 |
eeevil |
@later tell Dyrcona sorry about the upgrade script, doh! as for the anycompatible, there's a branch and LP bug about that, but I can't find it now... :( |
| 10:25 |
pinesol |
eeevil: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:37 |
kmlussier |
bug 2083873 |
| 10:37 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2083873 in Evergreen "Remove support for PostgreSQL 10, 11 and 12" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2083873 - Assigned to Jason Stephenson (jstephenson) |
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| 10:47 |
Dyrcona |
eeevil: I couldn't find a Lp bug, but found your email. I opended Lp 2083856. |
| 10:47 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2083856 in Evergreen "Add Support for PostgreSQL 17" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2083856 |
| 10:47 |
Dyrcona |
Darn it. Wrong bug again. |
| 10:47 |
Dyrcona |
eeevil: Lp 2083873 |
| 10:47 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2083873 in Evergreen "Remove support for PostgreSQL 10, 11 and 12" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2083873 - Assigned to Jason Stephenson (jstephenson) |
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Dyrcona |
I'm just about to push a branch that does the thing, i.e. remove Pg 10, 11, and 12. |
| 10:48 |
Dyrcona |
I.e. to the working repo, not to main or rel_3_14. |
| 10:48 |
eeevil |
oh, maybe I didn't open an LP, just pushed a branch and emailed? it's been a "fun" few weeks personally... |
| 10:51 |
Dyrcona |
Same as far as fun weeks go. |
| 10:53 |
* redavis |
remembers fun...and "fun" |
| 10:54 |
redavis |
stories to tell our grandchildren or grandneighbors |
| 10:58 |
* Dyrcona |
has been library hopping lately. |
| 11:02 |
pinesol |
News from commits: Docs: Fix 3.14 release note warnings <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=54d7cbfdf363c3067a0455a3596d322784a4a54e> |
| 11:12 |
redavis |
sleary, are you around? |
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| 11:42 |
jeff |
Ran into bug 1954937 after our upgrade to 3.13. The bug doesn't have much attention for being almost three years old, though I know it didn't affect the UI until after that. |
| 11:42 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1954937 in Evergreen "Wide Holds API Incorrect Queue Position on Patron-Focused Searches" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1954937 |
| 11:43 |
jeff |
Possibly the affects/targeting on the bug are partially to blame, but I'm wondering if there's any parallel bug (or fix) that I'm not seeing. |
| 11:44 |
jeff |
If you're looking at the holds for a patron, the queue position is always shown as "1". Seems unusual that this would go that long without any other attention until today. :-) |
| 11:44 |
jeff |
(this may mostly be a factor of when the bug actually became apparent in the UI, I don't know yet if that was 3.13 or earlier.) |
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sleary |
redavis I am now |
| 11:58 |
redavis |
Okay, just one sec. Let me get back to that context and I'll PM you. |
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kmlussier |
I won't be able to attend today's meeting, but I added an agenda item related to the hack-a-way. mmorgan can provide more details at the meeting. |
| 13:22 |
Bmagic |
kmlussier++ |
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Dyrcona |
Grr. Wrong port... |
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Dyrcona |
typos-- |
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Dyrcona |
Hm... I should probably do that again and dump the config.coded_value_map table before running my script to fix it because it looks like the results are different this time. The script reports a bunch of 'UPDATE 0' and even a duplicate key entry that it did not report before. |
| 14:53 |
Bmagic |
shulabramble was going to run the meeting today, but the power went out at her library! So, I'll be running it :) |
| 14:53 |
Bmagic |
6 minute warning |
| 14:54 |
eeevil |
just when you thought you were out |
| 14:54 |
mmorgan |
Bmagic++ |
| 14:54 |
Bmagic |
I know! |
| 14:54 |
Bmagic |
lol |
| 14:54 |
mmorgan |
shulabramble++ |
| 14:58 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic++ That seems to be how things are going in general lately. |
| 15:00 |
Bmagic |
#startmeeting 2024-10-08 - Developer Meeting |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
Meeting started Tue Oct 8 15:00:16 2024 US/Eastern. The chair is Bmagic. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
The meeting name has been set to '2024_10_08___developer_meeting' |
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Bmagic |
#info Agenda at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:2024-10-08 |
| 15:00 |
Bmagic |
#topic Introductions |
| 15:00 |
Bmagic |
#info Bmagic = Blake GH, MOBIUS |
| 15:00 |
terranm |
#info terranm = Terran McCanna, PINES |
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csharp_ |
#info csharp = Chris Sharp, GPLS |
| 15:00 |
redavis |
#info redavis = Ruth Frasur Davis, ECDI |
| 15:00 |
jeff |
#info jeff = Jeff Godin, Traverse Area District Library (TADL) |
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collum |
#info collum = Garry Collum, KCPL |
| 15:00 |
Dyrcona |
#info Dyrcona = Jason Stephenson, CW MARS |
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phasefx |
#info phasefx = Jason Etheridge, EOLI |
| 15:00 |
mmorgan |
#info mmorgan = Michele Morgan, NOBLE |
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sleary |
#info sleary = Stephanie Leary, EOLI |
| 15:00 |
berick |
#info berick Bill Erickson, KCLS |
| 15:01 |
eeevil |
#info eeevil = Mike Rylander, EOLI |
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Bmagic |
feel free to introduce yourself as you arrive |
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smayo |
#info smayo = Steven Mayo, PINES |
| 15:02 |
Bmagic |
shulabramble has arrived :) |
| 15:02 |
scottangel |
#info scottangel = Scott Angel, MOBIUS |
| 15:02 |
shulabramble |
#info shulabramble = Shula Link, GCHRL |
| 15:02 |
shulabramble |
Where are we? :) |
| 15:02 |
redavis |
shulabramble++ #!!! |
| 15:02 |
abneiman |
#info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, EOLI |
| 15:02 |
Bmagic |
shulabramble: would you like to pick it up? |
| 15:02 |
Bmagic |
we're at intro's |
| 15:03 |
shulabramble |
I'll pick it up. Hopefully power is back for good. |
| 15:03 |
Bmagic |
there's a way to hand it off |
| 15:03 |
briank |
#info Brian, Sitka |
| 15:04 |
Bmagic |
#commands |
| 15:04 |
pinesol |
Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #reject #rejected #restrictlogs #save #showvote #startmeeting #startvote #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote |
| 15:04 |
shulabramble |
do we know the way to hand it off? |
| 15:04 |
Bmagic |
I think anyone can issue the commands, so you go ahead |
| 15:04 |
Bmagic |
I might have to end it though |
| 15:05 |
csharp_ |
how many developers does it take to run a meeting bot? |
| 15:05 |
shulabramble |
#chair shulabramble |
| 15:05 |
Dyrcona |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:05 |
Bmagic |
#chair shulabramble |
| 15:05 |
pinesol |
Current chairs: Bmagic shulabramble |
| 15:05 |
Bmagic |
there we go |
| 15:05 |
shulabramble |
Here we gooooo |
| 15:05 |
sleary |
I love that halp is a valid command |
| 15:06 |
Dyrcona |
For when the regular help ain't cuttin' it. |
| 15:06 |
Bmagic |
lol |
| 15:06 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:06 |
shulabramble |
Okay, let's get started, people can keep doing introductions while we get going. |
| 15:06 |
shulabramble |
#topic Actions |
| 15:07 |
shulabramble |
#info eeevil will open a bug for cross-column stats targets |
| 15:07 |
eeevil |
ha! no, not yet. one day... |
| 15:08 |
shulabramble |
okay then! |
| 15:09 |
shulabramble |
#action eeevil will open a bug for cross-column stats targets |
| 15:09 |
shulabramble |
any more discussion about that right now? |
| 15:10 |
eeevil |
not unless someone else has the time to dig into it and find a likely first target |
| 15:10 |
shulabramble |
Anyone? |
| 15:11 |
Dyrcona |
I have a question or two, but they can wait. |
| 15:11 |
shulabramble |
eeevil++ Dyrcona++ |
| 15:11 |
shulabramble |
moving on |
| 15:12 |
shulabramble |
#info gmcharlt - create a Git commit message type and update bug 2051946 |
| 15:12 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2051946 in Evergreen "institute a Git commit message template" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2051946 - Assigned to Galen Charlton (gmc) |
| 15:13 |
abneiman |
I don't think gmcharlt is available for this meeting |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
Got it, so we'll move on to you :) |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#action gmcharlt - create a Git commit message type and update bug 2051946 |
| 15:13 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2051946 in Evergreen "institute a Git commit message template" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2051946 - Assigned to Galen Charlton (gmc) |
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shulabramble |
#info will intentionally solicit feedback from translators about translation work in lock step with point releases; feedback solicited 10/07/2024 |
| 15:14 |
shulabramble |
#info will intentionally solicit feedback from translators about translation work in lock step with point releases; feedback solicited 10/07/2024 |
| 15:14 |
shulabramble |
abneiman, that is. |
| 15:14 |
abneiman |
#info Linda and Eva gave me some very thoughtful feedback which I'll share below in new business |
| 15:15 |
shulabramble |
abneiman++ |
| 15:15 |
Bmagic |
abneiman++ |
| 15:15 |
redavis |
abneiman++ |
| 15:15 |
Dyrcona |
abneiman++ |
| 15:15 |
shulabramble |
#info waiting on gmcharlt for access to POEditor for git integration |
| 15:15 |
shulabramble |
#action waiting on gmcharlt for access to POEditor for git integration |
| 15:15 |
shulabramble |
#info sleary and sandbergja will create/consolidate the test writing wiki page(s) |
| 15:16 |
sleary |
#info in progress! We will have more to report next month / at hackaway |
| 15:16 |
Dyrcona |
sleary++ sandbergja++ |
| 15:17 |
shulabramble |
#action sleary and sandbergja will report progress on test writing wiki pages next month / at hackaway |
| 15:17 |
Bmagic |
sleary++ sandbergja++ |
| 15:17 |
shulabramble |
sleary++ sandbergja++ |
| 15:17 |
shulabramble |
#info bug 2076921 expected to get more testing and merged, and beta uploaded to store |
| 15:17 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2076921 in Evergreen "Hatch: Chrome Extension Requires Redevelopment" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2076921 - Assigned to Jeff Godin (jgodin) |
| 15:17 |
redavis |
sleary++ sandbergja++ |
| 15:17 |
jeff |
testing in progress, will coordinate with berick later this week |
| 15:18 |
redavis |
jeff++ berick++ |
| 15:18 |
shulabramble |
yay! jeff++ |
| 15:18 |
shulabramble |
berick++ |
| 15:18 |
Dyrcona |
jeff++ berick++ |
| 15:18 |
sleary |
jeff++ berick++ |
| 15:18 |
shulabramble |
#action bug 2076921 expected to get more testing and merged, and beta uploaded to store |
| 15:18 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2076921 in Evergreen "Hatch: Chrome Extension Requires Redevelopment" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2076921 - Assigned to Jeff Godin (jgodin) |
| 15:19 |
shulabramble |
#topic updates |
| 15:19 |
shulabramble |
#info OpenSRF |
| 15:19 |
Dyrcona |
Oh! |
| 15:19 |
Bmagic |
:) |
| 15:20 |
Dyrcona |
#info Opensrf 3.2.5 and 3.3.2 were released last ... Tuesday? |
| 15:20 |
shulabramble |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:20 |
redavis |
something like that |
| 15:20 |
redavis |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:20 |
mmorgan |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:20 |
Bmagic |
I'm Ron Burgundy? |
| 15:20 |
sleary |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:20 |
Dyrcona |
The last week or so has been a blur. |
| 15:20 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:21 |
shulabramble |
#info Evergreen & The Feedback Fest |
| 15:21 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic++ for finishing up the beta release while I was unavailable. |
| 15:22 |
abneiman |
Dyrcona++ Bmagic++ |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
Bmagic++ |
| 15:22 |
redavis |
Bmagic++ |
| 15:22 |
sleary |
Bmagic++ |
| 15:22 |
redavis |
Feedback Fest is ongoing through Thursday. |
| 15:22 |
Bmagic |
'twas my pleasure, always happy to help |
| 15:22 |
Dyrcona |
redavis++ jvwoolf++ Release notes, organization, etc. |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
Any word on 3.14rc? |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
redavis++ jvwoolf++ |
| 15:23 |
redavis |
We're still on schedule for next Wednesday |
| 15:23 |
Dyrcona |
Well, it should be out next week pending results of the feedback fest. |
| 15:23 |
abneiman |
redavis++ jvwoolf++ |
| 15:23 |
sleary |
super extra kudos to everyone who's been learning new skills to help test the accessibility bugs! |
| 15:23 |
shulabramble |
#info 3.14rc on target for Wednesday Oct 16 |
| 15:23 |
terranm |
10 new bugs reported, but not all of them are related to 3.14 |
| 15:23 |
redavis |
I've updated the agenda with that. Also terranm++ for doing two rounds of feedback for this reason. |
| 15:23 |
shulabramble |
testers++ |
| 15:23 |
abneiman |
release team: if I have additions/corrections for release notes should I let you know or just push a correction? |
| 15:23 |
shulabramble |
terranm++ |
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* redavis |
looks at Dyrcona |
| 15:24 |
redavis |
abneiman, I think you can just push them. |
| 15:24 |
Dyrcona |
abneiman: It's OK with me if you just push them. |
| 15:24 |
redavis |
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w8GJdVRtC-AO9VwMI9R6TNa4RrFE14_Se43x-RLIjvw/edit?gid=0#gid=0 |
| 15:25 |
redavis |
Please run 3.14 through its paces. There are several new things in it. |
| 15:25 |
abneiman |
thanks both |
| 15:25 |
redavis |
As well as a bazillion accessibility fixes. |
| 15:26 |
redavis |
Also, just a note that we've added a series for 3.15 pending any decisions about 4.0. |
| 15:26 |
redavis |
Which will probably/definitely be talked about at the Hack-A-Way |
| 15:26 |
abneiman |
I think evergreen-ils.org just hiccuped |
| 15:26 |
abneiman |
wiki, website, git all timing out |
| 15:27 |
csharp_ |
abneiman: eh? |
| 15:27 |
terranm |
It's okay for me |
| 15:27 |
abneiman |
csharp_: local problem, perhaps |
| 15:27 |
redavis |
okay here |
| 15:28 |
abneiman |
sorry, country internet. carry on. |
| 15:28 |
csharp_ |
@band add Country Internet |
| 15:28 |
pinesol |
csharp_: Band 'Country Internet' added to list |
| 15:28 |
Dyrcona |
git.evergreen-ils.org was a bit slow to let me in. |
| 15:29 |
redavis |
oh nooooooo |
| 15:29 |
Dyrcona |
I'll install updates on the git server later this week. Looks like it has a few waiting. |
| 15:29 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:29 |
Dyrcona |
Seems fine now that I'm in. |
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| 15:29 |
csharp_ |
Bmagic: looks like it's back on you ;-) |
| 15:29 |
Bmagic |
ha |
| 15:29 |
shulabramble |
#chair |
| 15:29 |
pinesol |
Current chairs: Bmagic shulabramble |
| 15:30 |
csharp_ |
oh - there's shulabramble |
| 15:30 |
shulabramble |
This isn't even hurricane related internet chaos :) |
| 15:30 |
Bmagic |
I hate computers |
| 15:30 |
Dyrcona |
Just the typical Internet chaos. |
| 15:30 |
terranm |
Computers are the worst |
| 15:30 |
shulabramble |
the butlerian jihad cannot come soon enough |
| 15:30 |
mmorgan |
A little drama at the dev meeting! |
| 15:31 |
abneiman |
computers-- |
| 15:31 |
sleary |
electricity was a mistake |
| 15:31 |
csharp_ |
computers: it's okay, they don't mean it |
| 15:31 |
terranm |
bring back the clay tablets |
| 15:31 |
shulabramble |
let me just paint my hand and slap it on the cave wall |
| 15:31 |
redavis |
lol "electricity was a mistake" |
| 15:31 |
redavis |
It's just nature, baby |
| 15:32 |
abneiman |
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." |
| 15:32 |
Dyrcona |
abneiman++ |
| 15:32 |
shulabramble |
taming the electron to make it make decisions was a bad idea |
| 15:32 |
sleary |
abneiman++ |
| 15:32 |
shulabramble |
abneiman++ |
| 15:32 |
mmorgan |
abneiman++ |
| 15:32 |
csharp_ |
Douglas_Adams++ |
| 15:32 |
redavis |
abneiman++ |
| 15:32 |
terranm |
So good |
| 15:33 |
shulabramble |
where are we now? still on 3.14 related discussion? |
| 15:33 |
Bmagic |
I believe so |
| 15:33 |
Dyrcona |
I think we can move on to point releases next week? |
| 15:33 |
shulabramble |
abneiman -- you have a note in the agenda about point releases? |
| 15:34 |
abneiman |
yep, just wondering if we're in a position to do them or if we should wait a week (or cancel) because of 3.14-rc? |
| 15:34 |
redavis |
IIRC, we'd discussed postponing. |
| 15:34 |
Dyrcona |
If they're postponed, it might be good to coincide with 3.14.0, or is that also too much at once? |
| 15:35 |
redavis |
I dunno. Is it? lol |
| 15:35 |
redavis |
Theoretically, it's not. |
| 15:35 |
csharp_ |
prolly fine |
| 15:35 |
redavis |
too much |
| 15:35 |
abneiman |
I think given the general overlap with the monthly team and the 3.14 team it might be too much but I'm only on one of those teams :) |
| 15:35 |
Bmagic |
let the release flow |
| 15:36 |
redavis |
I think if we say "let's do it" now, that's enough time to gear up for it to coincide. |
| 15:36 |
Dyrcona |
Are we talking about 3 or 4 simultaneous releases? |
| 15:36 |
redavis |
I believe it's 3. |
| 15:36 |
abneiman |
3 - .12, .13, .14 |
| 15:36 |
redavis |
yes. three |
| 15:36 |
Dyrcona |
We've done that before, but it usually takes an extra day or so. |
| 15:37 |
Bmagic |
3.11 has a commit on it since last time? |
| 15:37 |
redavis |
is it security Bmagic? |
| 15:37 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: I think it does, but it's not worth releasing, in my opinion. |
| 15:37 |
Bmagic |
it's docs |
| 15:38 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah. |
| 15:38 |
Bmagic |
so, a new release 3.11 would be identical to last months |
| 15:38 |
Dyrcona |
I looked, too. |
| 15:38 |
abneiman |
my bust, I thought it was ok to patch old docs things |
| 15:38 |
Bmagic |
totally fine abneiman |
| 15:38 |
abneiman |
becuase that doesn't require an acutal release to be made |
| 15:38 |
Dyrcona |
It's fine to patch old docs. |
| 15:38 |
Bmagic |
our docs site will incorporate the changes nightly |
| 15:39 |
abneiman |
right |
| 15:39 |
redavis |
abneiman++ |
| 15:39 |
shulabramble |
abneiman++ |
| 15:39 |
shulabramble |
so do we have a consensus on doing three point releases alongside 3.14.0, or do we want to delay? |
| 15:40 |
redavis |
So, all that to say, 3 releases. |
| 15:40 |
redavis |
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gZayHfF7qK0zwLMEAXt-PbKBMiAM_F6EZguqzIYceBY/edit?gid=0#gid=0 |
| 15:40 |
redavis |
I'll update this for the releases in a minute unless abneiman is already on it. |
| 15:40 |
abneiman |
3 releases unless someone from security team feels strongly about another 3.11 |
| 15:41 |
abneiman |
redavis++ |
| 15:41 |
shulabramble |
redavis++ |
| 15:43 |
abneiman |
and it looks like 3.12 and 3.13 only have a handful of things on them so hopefully not too onerous |
| 15:43 |
sleary |
I will have some keyboard shortcut fixes for 3.13 (MARC editor) hopefully |
| 15:43 |
redavis |
It'd be good to have some help building/testing tarballs at the least. |
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| 15:45 |
shulabramble |
anyone want to volunteer to help the security team with tarball tests? |
| 15:46 |
redavis |
Oh, release team...sorry. |
| 15:46 |
shulabramble |
anyone want to volunteer to help the release team with tarball tests? :) |
| 15:46 |
redavis |
Just fill out that buildmaster sheet if you want to. |
| 15:47 |
redavis |
Think about it. Dream about it. |
| 15:47 |
shulabramble |
Meditate on it at second level. |
| 15:47 |
redavis |
Definitely. Let it permeate your now and visions of the future. |
| 15:48 |
shulabramble |
Build the tarball. Let the tarball build you. |
| 15:48 |
shulabramble |
okay, I think that bit has gone as far as it's gonna. |
| 15:48 |
redavis |
lol shulabramble++ |
| 15:49 |
Bmagic |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:49 |
shulabramble |
so, do we have a consensus on doing security releases for 3.12 & 3.13 alongside the 3.14 release, or do we want to delay security releases to Oct 23? |
| 15:50 |
Dyrcona |
So, these are regular point releases. I'm not aware of any pending security patches. |
| 15:50 |
redavis |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:50 |
shulabramble |
do we have a consensus on doing point releases for 3.12 & 3.13 alongside the 3.14 release, or do we want to delay security releases to Oct 23? Dyrcona++ |
| 15:50 |
Dyrcona |
It seems like we do. |
| 15:50 |
redavis |
+1 to doing point releases alongside 3.14 |
| 15:51 |
mmorgan |
The calendar has maintenance releases scheduled for Oct 23 already |
| 15:51 |
abneiman |
sorry, yeah, I just ninja-edited the calendar |
| 15:51 |
mmorgan |
abneiman++ |
| 15:52 |
shulabramble |
abneiman++ |
| 15:52 |
redavis |
abneiman++ ninja_editing++ |
| 15:53 |
shulabramble |
okay then |
| 15:54 |
shulabramble |
#action Point releases for 3.12 and 3.13 are targeted for October 16 alongside the release of 3.14 |
| 15:54 |
shulabramble |
Moving on... |
| 15:54 |
shulabramble |
#info Hatch |
| 15:55 |
shulabramble |
Any changes or movement on that? |
| 15:55 |
redavis |
October 22, sorry. October 16 is RC |
| 15:55 |
abneiman |
#info releases actually on 10/16 :) |
| 15:55 |
abneiman |
I MEAN 10/22 |
| 15:55 |
abneiman |
ignore me |
| 15:56 |
Dyrcona |
Just what was discussed under action items about bug 2076921 |
| 15:56 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2076921 in Evergreen "Hatch: Chrome Extension Requires Redevelopment" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2076921 - Assigned to Jeff Godin (jgodin) |
| 15:56 |
abneiman |
#info releases actually for realsies on 10/22 |
| 15:56 |
shulabramble |
I am unable to read. Please excuse me, I have only recently returned to civilization after a hurricane :) |
| 15:56 |
redavis |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:56 |
redavis |
civilization=overrated |
| 15:56 |
mmorgan |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:57 |
shulabramble |
#info For realsies Point releases for 3.12 and 3.13 are targeted for October 22 alongside 3.14 |
| 15:57 |
shulabramble |
Okay, moving on |
| 15:57 |
shulabramble |
#info Documentation |
| 15:58 |
shulabramble |
any word from the docs team or DIG? |
| 15:59 |
abneiman |
#info DIG is working on 3.14 docs, if you have docs to share please email evergreen-documentation list.evergreen-ils.org |
| 15:59 |
shulabramble |
abneiman++ |
| 16:00 |
shulabramble |
... i just realized I've been doing things wrong with meetbot, but we will survive. |
| 16:00 |
shulabramble |
anything else docs related? |
| 16:01 |
Dyrcona |
shulabramble++ No worries. |
| 16:01 |
shulabramble |
Dyrcona++ |
| 16:01 |
shulabramble |
Okay, then we have incoming |
| 16:01 |
shulabramble |
#topic Launchpad Status (as of Noon Eastern) |
| 16:02 |
shulabramble |
#info |
| 16:02 |
shulabramble |
#info Open Bugs - 3154 |
| 16:02 |
shulabramble |
#info Pullrequests - 88 |
| 16:03 |
shulabramble |
#info Signedoff - 14 |
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| 16:03 |
shulabramble |
#info Needwork - 84 |
| 16:03 |
shulabramble |
#info Needstestplan - 3 |
| 16:03 |
shulabramble |
#info Needsrebase - 27 |
| 16:03 |
shulabramble |
#topic Launchpad Updates since last meeting |
| 16:03 |
shulabramble |
#info Bugs Added - 63 |
| 16:04 |
shulabramble |
#info Pullrequest tag Added - 35 |
| 16:04 |
shulabramble |
#info Signedoff tag Added - 20 |
| 16:04 |
shulabramble |
#info Needswork tag Added - 0 |
| 16:04 |
shulabramble |
#info Needstestplan tag Added - 0 |
| 16:04 |
shulabramble |
#info Needsrebase tag Added - 3 |
| 16:04 |
shulabramble |
#info Fix Committed - 36 |
| 16:05 |
shulabramble |
I'll have that streamlined next month, hopefully |
| 16:05 |
shulabramble |
#topic New Business |
| 16:05 |
kmlussier |
#info kmlussier = Kathy Lussier, NOBLE |
| 16:05 |
terranm |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:05 |
shulabramble |
abneiman string freeze timing w/r/t point releases? |
| 16:06 |
abneiman |
since we're at time I'll take that to the listserv |
| 16:06 |
shulabramble |
#action abneiman will take that discussion to the listserv |
| 16:06 |
shulabramble |
#info Hackaway local planning requests |
| 16:07 |
kmlussier |
Hi! Just a couple of time-sensitive things. |
| 16:07 |
shulabramble |
kmlussier++ |
| 16:07 |
scottangel |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:07 |
kmlussier |
We are trying to pin down the logistics for transportation to/from airport. Please fill out the form at https://forms.gle/trJw2j9pKL1PjexR7 ASAP so that we know when you're arriving and departing. |
| 16:08 |
terranm |
The PINES team doesn't know yet because we're not allowed to purchase our plane tickets until 30 days prior to the flight due to state rules |
| 16:08 |
kmlussier |
Putting my social activities hat on, I also wanted to get an idea if there was interest from a lot of folks to schedule one dinner at this game cafe. If so, I'll book a private room, which requires some lead time. |
| 16:08 |
kmlussier |
https://thecastlebeverly.com/ |
| 16:08 |
Dyrcona |
I've been there. It's a fun little place. |
| 16:09 |
kmlussier |
terranm: OK, good to know. Thanks! |
| 16:09 |
abneiman |
terranm: dude, that is a terrible rule and I'm so sorry y'all have to deal with that |
| 16:09 |
kmlussier |
You can let me know about the cafe post meeting. |
| 16:09 |
terranm |
I would be in for the game cafe. Also, there are at least 3 of us that would be into the Prince-themed place |
| 16:09 |
kmlussier |
terranm: Yay! |
| 16:09 |
shulabramble |
#info let kmlussier know about The Castle interest |
| 16:09 |
terranm |
abneiman: It's ridiculous, and we end up paying twice as much for tickets because we have to wait so long. |
| 16:10 |
shulabramble |
One more point of discussion: |
| 16:10 |
shulabramble |
Next month's meeting is during the Hack-A-Way; do we want to move it to another day? |
| 16:11 |
Dyrcona |
Have we done it during the hack-away before? |
| 16:11 |
kmlussier |
Yes, we have. |
| 16:11 |
abneiman |
yeah |
| 16:11 |
Dyrcona |
Well, then, we could keep the same time and date. |
| 16:11 |
terranm |
I think it's been fine to keep it during the hackaway before |
| 16:11 |
shulabramble |
okay then |
| 16:11 |
shulabramble |
#topic Announcements |
| 16:11 |
* redavis |
is down for the castle and prince |
| 16:12 |
shulabramble |
#info Next Meeting is Tuesday, November 12, 2024 |
| 16:12 |
shulabramble |
Anything else? |
| 16:12 |
shulabramble |
We're 12 minute past the hour, so speak now or forever hold your peace (or at least until November 12). |
| 16:13 |
shulabramble |
Alright, then, if there's nothing more |
| 16:13 |
shulabramble |
#endmeeting |
| 16:13 |
pinesol |
Meeting ended Tue Oct 8 16:13:51 2024 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:13 |
pinesol |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2024/evergreen.2024-10-08-15.00.html |
| 16:13 |
pinesol |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2024/evergreen.2024-10-08-15.00.txt |
| 16:13 |
pinesol |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2024/evergreen.2024-10-08-15.00.log.html |
| 16:13 |
Dyrcona |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:13 |
Bmagic |
shulas_internet++ |
| 16:13 |
jeff |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:14 |
terranm |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:14 |
Bmagic |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:14 |
phasefx |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:14 |
eeevil |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:14 |
shulabramble |
WHAT A HARROWING EXPERIENCE |
| 16:14 |
abneiman |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:14 |
mmorgan |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:14 |
sleary |
shulabramble++ |
| 16:14 |
abneiman |
that's why you get all the karma afterward :) |
| 16:14 |
mmorgan |
Drama! Suspense! Excitement! shulabramble's first dev meeting had it all! |
| 16:15 |
sleary |
kmlussier Castle + Prince: yes |
| 16:16 |
shulabramble |
there was a literal fire that caused a power and internet outage down the road. |
| 16:16 |
shulabramble |
so yes. |
| 16:16 |
terranm |
OMG! |
| 16:17 |
kmlussier |
shulabramble++ # It gets easier the more you do it. |
| 16:17 |
Bmagic |
"No disaster ever get's in the way of Shula's meetings" |
| 16:17 |
shulabramble |
kmlussier++ |
| 16:17 |
abneiman |
neither hurricane, nor fire, nor total lack of power and internet, shall keep Shula from running the dev meeting |
| 16:18 |
Bmagic |
abneiman++ # exactly |
| 16:19 |
kmlussier |
I love the fact that I managed to work castles and Prince into one Evergreen dev meeting. |
| 16:20 |
Bmagic |
If I don't look away from IRC, I feel like I'm in A Knights Tale |
| 16:23 |
shulabramble |
I need wiki permissions to create the agenda page for the next meeting, it seems. |
| 16:24 |
abneiman |
shulabramble: what wiki login are you using? |
| 16:24 |
shulabramble |
slink |
| 16:24 |
abneiman |
stand by |
| 16:25 |
* shulabramble |
salutes |
| 16:26 |
abneiman |
shulabramble: you're an admin now, don't break anything ;-) |
| 16:26 |
* shulabramble |
goes mad with power, but has too much anxiety to do anything ;) |
| 16:27 |
redavis |
Break. Everything. (except Evergreen) |
| 16:32 |
shulabramble |
Okay, it's closing time here. Hopefully, no more power outages and I still have internet when I get home :) |
| 17:06 |
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| 17:45 |
csharp_ |
hmm - noticing the lack of a 3.13.3-3.13.4 upgrade script |
| 17:51 |
csharp_ |
psql:3.13.4-3.14-beta-upgrade-db.sql:534: ERROR: unsafe use of new value "mfa" of enum type config.usr_activity_group -hmmm |
| 17:51 |
csharp_ |
HINT: New enum values must be committed before they can be used. |
| 17:54 |
csharp_ |
ah, the inline comments even say that needs to happen outside a transaction but the only COMMIT; is at the end of the file |
| 18:04 |
csharp_ |
fixed by adding COMMIT; before and BEGIN; after 1433 |
| 18:06 |
csharp_ |
...and, now I'm on 3.14.beta on my test server. huzzah! |
| 18:06 |
csharp_ |
seems like as good a time as any to call it a day :-) |
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