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Results for 2016-11-01

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14:10 jeffdavis I'm thinking about live tests for bug 1541559
14:11 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1541559 in Evergreen "OneClickdigital API integration" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541559 - Assigned to Jeff Davis (jdavis-sitka)
14:11 jeffdavis The module is modeled after AddedContent, so there is a main EbookAPI module and separate handler sub-modules for the different vendor APIs (OneClickdigital, OverDrive)
14:13 jeffdavis I don't think we can hard-code any tests that actually talk to those APIs, so I am thinking of having a "Test" handler that doesn't do any HTTP lookups, just responds correctly to the various ways that the main module can use a handler sub-module. It could also serve as a kind of reference implementation for future handlers.
14:13 jeffdavis Does that make sense, or is it overkill?
14:16 jeffdavis "HTTP lookup" is not the right way to put that, hope my technical solecisms don't confuse things too much :)
14:21 phasefx jeffdavis: you could mockup a web server using expect
14:21 phasefx and point to localhost and some port instead of an actual third-party host for the config
14:22 phasefx well, if not using SSL, that is
14:27 jeffdavis Is that what we want to do for automated testing?
14:28 phasefx :-/
14:29 jeffdavis sorry, afaik we aren't doing anything like that so far, and I don't know enough about tests to know if I'm stepping into a minefield that way
14:29 phasefx might be easier but more brittle
14:29 tsbere I think the "Test" module is a good idea, overall, for testing things that would call out to third parties. Though setting up a general test service somewhere that said module could poke at might work too.
14:29 tsbere At least you get better coverage of some of the code paths with the test module, right?
14:31 phasefx you tie the test to the implementation with a module, but that's probably okay.  But if you ever want to reimpliment, a black box test service could be useful
14:34 jeffdavis This would have been a good thing to ask about if I were going to the hackaway :)
14:35 * phasefx had never been in the habit of writing tests when he was more active with coding, so this is all thought exercise for him.  "Grain of salt also advised :)
14:38 jeffdavis all advice and suggestions are appreciated :)

Results for 2016-10-27

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08:53 Dyrcona Hmm... Looks like I used Evergreen backend calls in my Safari record load program. (A propos yesterday's conversation about Overdrive record loading.)
08:57 Dyrcona One bonus of using DBI or SQL with these loads is it usually easier to point it at a test database/environment. You don't have to setup a full-blown Evergreen installation to test it.
08:57 * Dyrcona goes back to working on his EBL load.
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09:31 jeff i'm a fan of making "you don't have to setup a full-blown Evergreen installation to test" sound silly.
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09:32 jeff almost (but perhaps not quite) how git changed how many people from cvs or svn days thought about branches.
09:33 jeff nobody says "but then i'd have to create a branch, and i don't want to go through that hassle" anymore.
09:34 jeff (perhaps they never used those exact words -- i'm exaggerating a little bit to try and make this analogy work!)
09:34 tsbere jeff: I say that on a regular basis! Mainly due to being lazy about making more generic versions of my MVLC-specific solutions. ;)
09:35 Dyrcona Well, once I started scripting vm creation, I didn't worry so much about setting up a full blown installation to test. :)
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09:36 Dyrcona Still, it's nice sometimes to just run a script and change a host name or database name command line option rather than worrying so much about where you are running it.
09:37 jeff yes.

Results for 2016-10-24

11:55 Dyrcona dans-datalogics: Sometimes, just quitting the client and starting it over again fixes that.
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11:55 dans-datalogics i'm also still a bit worried by the fact that almost all 2 GB of RAM on the server is taken.
11:56 Dyrcona dans-datalogics: Yeah, 2GB is a bit slim, I prefer 4GB as a minimum or concerto data and 6-8 GB if I'm using production data on a test vm.
11:57 dans-datalogics Dyrcona: ah, well i can bump it up to 4 then. the system requirements said only 1 GB was needed, so i figured 2 was safe.
11:57 dans-datalogics also, restarting the client is now giving me a failed status check. i might chalk that up to the memory issue.
11:57 Dyrcona dans-datalogics: Where are these system requirements? They should be changed, I think.
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11:58 dans-datalogics http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/​dev/_system_requirements.html
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11:59 bshum Change is good.
11:59 bshum Change is very good.
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12:03 * bshum feels like 4 GB of RAM is a good "test server" these days
12:03 bshum And hey, probably at least 2 GB or more of RAM for a client workstation too.  512 MB?  No......
12:04 * bshum drops the line for "XP, Vista, or 7"
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12:08 bshum Doc change pushed to master and backported to rel_2_11 and rel_2_10 (as the two most recent versions)
12:09 bshum dans-datalogics++ # thanks for the pointer
12:10 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] Docs: Update base system requirements for Evergreen - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=1b92116>
12:17 bshum Maybe 2 GB is too conservative and I should have changed that to 4 GB too for clients.
12:18 bshum https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/​doku.php?id=system_requirements is ancient too

Results for 2016-10-21

08:40 pinesol_green csharp: As great as you are man, you'll never be greater than yourself.
08:42 gmcharlt quick heads up - part or all of Dyn.com's DNS services are experiencing a DDoS
08:43 gmcharlt and this might effect resolution of evergreen-ils.org -- will be curious to know whether anybody is experiencing difficulties there
08:43 tsbere gmcharlt: Quick test tells me that yes, I am experiencing difficulties there
08:44 jeff resolves immediately for me.
08:45 tsbere I don't think anyone here has requested the domain for a few days, thus making it so that our DNS server's cached entries expired
08:45 jeff also immediate nxdomain as appropriate when requesting a non-existant host within the domain.
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09:10 Dyrcona So, SIPServer question.... With Socket::Linux installed, it looks like SIPServer gets a 2 minute timeout on idle TCP connections?
09:12 jeff I can look and test, but: is there an additional question lurking in the shadows?
09:14 tsbere Dyrcona: I think it might also depend on timeout values in the SIP config, but without knowing why you are asking...
09:15 jeff Dyrcona: if you're basing the question off of the setsockopt() call that sets TCP_KEEPIDLE to 120 -- that's (i did have to look it up) " The time (in seconds) the connection needs to remain idle before TCP starts sending keepalive probes, if the socket option SO_KEEPALIVE has been set on this socket."
09:15 Dyrcona jeff | tsbere: I think I misunderstood the TCP_KEEPIDL option. I now think that corresponds to tcp_keepalive_time, yes?
09:59 tsbere Dyrcona: At that point I would be tempted to just add to the config file. Or make a local customization.
09:59 gmcharlt Dyn is saying that they've mitigated the DDoS, by th eway
10:00 Dyrcona Well, the quick thing is to make a local customization. New config options would be the way to go for a working/enhancement branch.
10:00 tsbere gmcharlt: And, testing again, I can load things now. So yay!
10:01 * Dyrcona wonders if the DDOS had to do with the SASL authentication failures...
10:01 Dyrcona Or is that not to do with Freenode this time?
10:02 tsbere DNS DDOS was causing issues with evergreen-ils.org for some percentage of the internet
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11:36 cgreen Hello, all -- we have an Ubuntu server running Evergreen and the database, and it's lately been acting flaky when one tries to log in or connect to Evergreen. "Re-test[ing] the server" on the web client sometimes takes ages to successfully verify; other times, the server returns a 500 Internal Server Error. We have noticed that it tends to use up quite a bit of memory on our server, even though we have met or exceeded the recommend
11:36 cgreen It was working well for a week or so. Is there a configuration we may have incorrectly set? Any insight is appreciated, and thank you!
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11:40 miker berick: for human use, it works close to that. it drops you into the authority list as close to the bib value as possible. your example should be usable. but, you're talking about machine matching, aren't you :)
11:41 miker (and not blowing away $v Drama, as well, I suppose)
12:31 berick gmcharlt: websockets + nginx -- did you encounter roadblocks there or was it more a case of missing tuits?
12:32 gmcharlt berick: tuits - will be working on it next week as part of 2.5.0-beta, but certainly wouldn't mind if you want to try your hand at it
12:32 berick Perry Mason and The Case of the Missing Tuits
12:32 phasefx dans-datalogics: there are scripts that will install an EG test instance on, for example, Debian Wheezy, without all the manual steps
12:32 berick gmcharlt: ok, good to know, thanks
12:34 berick may have time to help on that soon
12:39 dans-datalogics phasefx: i must've missed those. do they install opensrf as well?
17:26 miker datetime... no :s
17:26 berick miker: agreed. was just poking around there
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17:28 miker (my worry is the possibility of moving everything to the db. not because that's bad, but because the current code is so heavily tested)
17:30 berick yeah, i'm right there with you
17:33 miker or, just tell patrons that, yeah, you lose a day in the fall but you get it back in the spring! ;)
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Results for 2016-10-20

11:59 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1373690 in Evergreen "Direct EDI generation for ACQ orders -- AKA kill ruby webrick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373690 - Assigned to Bill Erickson (berick)
11:59 berick reminds me.. I should rebase that before the hackaway
11:59 kmlussier berick: That's still out there? For some reason, I thought we had merged that one. :)
11:59 * berick dons his rebasin' britches
11:59 berick no, alas, it's a pretty big change.  needs lots of eyes and testing.
12:01 Dyrcona berick: This template? /openils/var/templates/acq/po/edi_messages.tt2
12:02 berick Dyrcona: action/trigger template ID 23
12:02 berick event_def, i mean
12:06 Dyrcona But, I couldn't remember the branch.
12:06 Dyrcona I should have just left the ruby alone. :)
12:08 * Dyrcona searches for orders made since the webrick shutdown and start.
12:08 * Dyrcona will be more than happy to test the above branch during the hackaway, once we work out how to test it.
12:11 Dyrcona So, an Ingram order from 10:17 am shows the invoice id.
12:12 Dyrcona An Ingram order from 11:41 hasn't been processed, yet.
12:15 * Dyrcona starts to wonder if switching out the webrick didn't break it more.
12:16 berick Dyrcona: aha, there's a test plan in the bug
12:17 Dyrcona berick: OK.
12:19 berick hm, looks like I need to copy the upgrade sql to the schema.  i'll do that too..
12:36 csharp berick: I'm very interested in continuing testing/work on bug 1373690 at the hackaway
12:36 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1373690 in Evergreen "Direct EDI generation for ACQ orders -- AKA kill ruby webrick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373690 - Assigned to Bill Erickson (berick)
12:37 csharp (if not before)
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Results for 2016-10-17

11:13 eeevil should be faster on newer pg
11:13 eeevil maybe
11:13 Dyrcona We're on 9.2.
11:14 eeevil anyway, testing would tell. either will be faster than a straight in lust
11:14 eeevil list
11:14 Dyrcona Less memory intensive, too. :)
11:19 eeevil aye
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Results for 2016-10-14

14:59 miker (and, age() might be all you need.  untested...)
15:01 Stompro miker, I think I found it, the example says that operators are not really checked.  So something like "due_date":{ "now()-":"14 days"::interval )
15:01 Stompro I'm not sure if the ::interval is allowed.. I look for type casting examples.
15:01 miker Stompro: I don't know that that will pass the "safe operator string" test
15:02 miker and no, the cast won't work like that, but may not be needed depending on the other stuff in that specific clause
15:02 miker it may be auto-casted.
15:02 miker I suggest using the json_query tester to see what the sql will end up looking like
15:04 * Stompro is off to find the json_query tester!
15:04 Stompro miker++
15:05 berick /openils/bin/test_json_query

Results for 2016-10-12

09:42 tsbere Stompro: I believe staff should normally be able to see missing copies, though I have seen people somehow get to a "public" pac interface in the staff client before...
09:43 Stompro tsbere, I've seen that also, since search catalog doesn't trigger an auth check in my experience.  I'm seeing the staff header though (record summary) so I'm assuming it knows I'm in staff mode... I'll try restarting the client though.
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09:51 Stompro Hmm, the same thing doesn't happen on our test system running 2.10.6... I mark the only copy as missing and it still comes up in a title search and the missing copy is shown when it is brought up.
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10:00 mmorgan windows10--

Results for 2016-10-07

09:40 * gmcharlt casts a spell of No Typos on Dyrcona
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09:53 Dyrcona heh.
10:00 * tsbere has been known to mess with /etc/sudoers remotely....while in a sudo -i to root in a screen session so that he can test the changes and then fix them if he made a mistake ;)
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10:21 Stompro Good morning!  I'm trying to write some docs on copy notes and alerts.  I'm curious if there is a reason that the alert field box in the item status/alternate view allows text input?  There doesn't seem to be a way to save the alert text from there.. is there?
10:23 kmlussier Stompro: I don't know why, but I'm not a big fan of the way those boxes display in the item status/alternate view for precisely that reason. It gives the impression that the fields are editable in the interface, but they aren't.

Results for 2016-10-05

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12:10 berick wow.  just realized I wrote a series of perl live tests based on data I thought came from concerto, but must have come from me.
12:11 * berick adds to concerto
12:11 jeff heh.
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15:12 * csharp agrees
15:12 gmcharlt yup
15:12 * abowling agrees, too
15:13 gmcharlt next up - web client sprint 3 testing... is underway
15:13 gmcharlt and finally, here I am, leading the September^W October development meeting
15:13 gmcharlt so, I think that does it for action items
15:13 kmlussier :)
15:13 gmcharlt so, let's move on
15:14 gmcharlt #topic OpenSRF release info
15:24 gmcharlt so, on to maintenance releases
15:25 gmcharlt miker: dbwells: y
15:25 gmcharlt y'all are prepared to do a 2.11.1 later this month?
15:25 miker I will be out of pocket on the normal date ... if I'm to be involved it'll need to slip a week
15:26 miker which, really, isn't terrible -- there are several bug fixes to test and pull in, and .0 is not a brown bag
15:26 dbwells I should be available to handle 2.11.1.
15:26 dbwells If need be.
15:27 dbwells 10/19?
16:01 dbwells gmcharlt++
16:02 kmlussier Bmagic++
16:02 Dyrcona gmcharlt++
16:02 * phasefx wants to throw out one thing post-meeting, live tester is showing some failed tests: http://testing.esilibrary.com/~live/  I can scrutinize later, but someone may get the itch sooner
16:03 kmlussier phasefx: csharp had thoughts on the transit status failure yesterday afternoon.
16:03 phasefx rock
16:03 Dyrcona paper
16:03 phasefx rock bug paper
16:04 kmlussier Speaking of live tests, did we ever figure out why the results aren't posting to the channel anymore? Was it related to the RSS feed?
16:04 jeff I think it was something along those lines. I can volunteer to look into it again.
16:04 gmcharlt dbs: your key is in place now - sorry abou the delay
16:05 dbs gmcharlt++
16:05 jeff I think it came down to supybot not thinking that the new test results were new.
16:05 dbs thank you
16:05 Dyrcona I meant to fix that one Perl test some time ago, but new job got me sidetracked.
16:20 kmlussier @quote random
16:20 pinesol_green kmlussier: Quote #159: "< jeff> Oh honey, he's teasing you. Nobody has two library card numbers." (added by csharp at 10:09 AM, August 25, 2016)
16:21 kmlussier I think I was on vacation for that one.

Results for 2016-10-04

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09:57 Dyrcona And now, I remember one of the reasons that I always used to use a separate partiton for /home....
09:59 Dyrcona You can't safely fsck a mounted volume, and you can't unmount / if you want to run fsck, so I need to make a recovery disk.
10:00 Dyrcona I ain't got time for that, so at the risk of having corrupted files, I continue with testing my 2.9.5 to 2.10.7 upgrade.
10:28 StomproJ Ahhhahh, my memcache server is hitting a openvz tcprcvbuf limit, causing connections to fail.
10:31 * Dyrcona uses kvm, so wouldn't know about that. :P
10:34 StomproJ Proxmox has moved away from openvz, so I won't use it in the future either.
13:32 * Dyrcona drives his wife nuts. :)
13:33 Dyrcona NCIP isn't a standard so much as it a smorgasboard of options. That's why "profiles" exist, though NCIPServer was not written to target any specific profile.
13:34 Dyrcona I was given some documentation and "sample" messages.
13:34 Dyrcona Spent several months coding, then got it to actually work with the vendor once testing starting.
13:35 Dyrcona Changes have accrued while it is in production and real things happen.
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13:35 * kmlussier feels sympathy for Dyrcona's wife.
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14:21 Dyrcona Can someone see what's wrong with this: [% date.format(helpers.format_date(circ.due_date), '%A, %B %d, %Y') %]
14:21 Dyrcona I put that in a template and it is erroring out with invalid date format, but that looks correct to me.
14:22 Dyrcona I don't have a quick way to test it, unfortunately.
14:27 berick Dyrcona: see if circ.due_date is null
14:27 dbs is it an invalid input date perhaps?
14:28 Dyrcona In every single courtesy notice for the past week?
14:35 bshum pinesol_green is wise to keep its opinion to itself...
14:35 pinesol_green bshum: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
14:35 pinesol_green bshum: Down time is a fact of business when you're a poor 501c3 corporation.
14:38 * Dyrcona pines for a test environment.
14:39 * jeff uses PINES for a test environment
14:39 Dyrcona :)
14:39 jeff (not really, but i couldn't let that pun opportunity go to waste)
14:46 * jeff sends out a few emails in an attempt to gather iNCIPit forks
15:37 csharp @karma karma karma karma karma chameleon
15:37 pinesol_green csharp: karma karma karma chameleon has neutral karma.
15:38 berick chameleon++
15:40 csharp @who is using PINES as a test environment?
15:40 pinesol_green Stompro is using PINES as a test environment.
15:40 miker whew! I thought pinesol was about to rat me out...
15:41 miker CRAP ... I said the quiet part loud again
15:41 kmlussier @blame miker
15:41 pinesol_green kmlussier: miker stole bradl's tux doll!
15:41 csharp @blame inner monologues
15:41 pinesol_green csharp: inner monologues musta been an Apple employee.
15:41 berick wait, we're not supposed to be using PINES as a test environment?
15:42 miker berick: define "supposed" ....
15:42 miker also, define "test"
15:42 berick hah
16:13 Bmagic csharp: was it you who used the TTP-247 barcode printers for replacing barcodes during migration?
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16:52 kmlussier We're getting some test failures on the purge-user-activity tests. http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html
16:53 kmlussier And on the abort transity copy status live test.
16:53 * kmlussier misses the twice daily test results that used to post in channel.
16:57 csharp Bmagic: nope, not me
16:57 Bmagic cool, no biggie
17:01 csharp kmlussier: I see what's happening with the perl test - it's expecting the copy status to be "Reshelving" after transit abort and it's now "Canceled Transit"
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17:03 kmlussier csharp: Ah, ok. So is that the one Dyrcona did for his fix before your new feature went in?
17:03 csharp right
17:31 csharp Bmagic: the first example's supposed to happen - the transit stores the status it was in when it went into transit so it can resume that status when it gets to its destination
17:32 csharp and the second problem can have multiple causes, including "checkout fills related hold"-type stuff (probably the most common)
17:32 Bmagic csharp: right, I understand that part. Missing items are being reported as being on the pull list. Would the hold targeter target missing items? Perhaps it wasn't missing when the targeter ran?
17:32 csharp oh - yeah, it shouldn't target missing copies
17:33 csharp auditor.asset_copy_history might help know what happened
17:36 csharp dbs: are you still managing buildbot/testing.evergreen-ils.org?
17:36 * csharp would like to create a few new builders on mundungus
17:40 dbs csharp: I might still be able to!
17:41 dbs Trying to prep for a hands-on Angular 2 session that I'm supposed to be leading in 1.25 hours atm though
17:41 csharp dbs: no prob - it will take a while to set up the VMs anyway
17:41 csharp thanks!
17:41 dbs Really should have carved out some time before...
17:42 dbs Looks like my ssh key might have gone dead on testing.evergreen-ils.org
17:43 csharp ok, I'll see if phasefx_ or miker or someone can get me going
17:57 dbs gmcharlt used to be my partner in crime for testing.evergreen-ils.org
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18:03 gmcharlt dbs: send me the current one(s) and I'll get you set up again
18:03 * gmcharlt goes poof, braves Atlanta traffic

Results for 2016-10-03

15:45 Dyrcona I have only just now gotten as far as installing the OpenSRF and basic Evergreen pre-reqs.
16:04 csharp Dyrcona: why wheezy?
16:05 miker because wheezy is the bees knees-ies
16:05 Dyrcona csharp: I want to test my upgrade branch on something as close to our production setup as possible.
16:06 Dyrcona So, I'm installing OpenSRF 2.4.1 and Evergreen 2.9.5 from git. Then, I'll test my tarball and upgrade script.
16:06 Dyrcona We're upgrading to 2.10.7 this weekend.
16:08 csharp oh, I see
16:08 csharp miker++

Results for 2016-09-30

08:23 jeff dbs: regarding your conversation with Apache this morning: is the server_status count showing requests and not connections, while MaxConnectionsPerChild is counting connections not requests?
08:26 jeff (where one connection may serve up to MaxKeepAliveRequests requests)
08:27 * jeff starts to wonder if he's running a config different from that which is on disk. short of hijacking a configured perl handler with code that would attempt to read config settings, i'm not sure if there's a way to check that.
08:51 StomproJosh csharp, re  bug 1616220 - There are a bunch of dojo related warnings that my fix doesn't touch.  So it doesn't get rid of all the warnings, just reduces the number of them.  I can provide some specific examples to make testing easier.
08:51 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1616220 in Evergreen "XUL Staff Client CSS Fixes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616220
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09:27 dbs but the server_status display shows an "Acc" column of 0/85/1186 and I was interpreting the "85" as # requests (per the legend at the bottom "Acc:  Number of accesses this connection / this child / this slot")
09:28 dbs But yeah, maybe I was interpreting it wrong, and now that I'm dropped KeepAlive to 2 from 5 there are more connections turning over
09:28 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1623955: Keep periods in subject links - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f4c7efc>
09:32 csharp Stompro: thanks - I'll re-test with your new info when you post them :-)
09:33 csharp Stompro: re: staff initials, at least one of our libraries uses patron stat cats for that
09:36 Stompro csharp, thanks for the staff initials info.
09:42 JBoyer Stompro, csharp, I was going to say, initials for patron reg wasn't ringing any bells for me, but csharp's stat cat idea is a good one. I'd poll your members and see if it's worth making a consortium wide stat cat rather than trying to talk a lot of libs through it through it.
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Results for 2016-09-29

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08:31 csharp hmm, I'm trying to generate the log warnings for bug 1624491, but I'm not able to and I'm not seeing the prox_cache uninitialization warnings on PINES production or test servers :-/
08:32 pinesol_green csharp: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1624491 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1624491). The error has been logged
08:32 csharp pinesol_green: why not?
08:32 pinesol_green Factoid 'why not?' not found
09:57 jeff we're running with... 0? that's surprising to me.
09:58 dbs The only two modules that I can think of that we run that most sites probably don't run are open-ils.resolver and open-ils.auth_proxy
10:00 dbs Not sure if there's an easy way to figure out where a memory leak is occurring in apache with a bunch of c and perl mods
10:00 jeff in test systems earlier this year, i could trigger high memory utilization in apache children. setting MaxConnectionsPerChild seemed to be a solid workaround, and i did have to set it pretty low.
10:01 dbs jeff: interesting - but you don't need that workaround any more?
10:01 jeff i'd have to look at notes, but first thing i'd try would be comparing things handled by EGCatLoader with something like static files.
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10:36 jeff if nothing else, in the interest of improving logging / error handling / avoiding this myself. ;-)
10:36 Dyrcona If I use a barcode from a copy other than the ones I added, I get a response in less than 1 second. I think I'm missing something in the database.
10:37 jeff yeah.
10:37 Dyrcona jeff: I can paste it. I was thinking of adding these to concerto for testing purposes in the future.
10:37 Dyrcona I'll bet there is some setting not switched on in concerto that I'm used to having on and that's my issue.
10:38 dbs Dyrcona: any chance the bib / volume / copy ingest triggers are failing or aren't running?
10:38 jeff ideally data that postgres allows you to insert wouldn't cause SIP to fail like that, but maybe the marcxml or something is to blame.
10:42 Dyrcona Yes.
10:42 Dyrcona Since I discovered that SIPServer won't start on Ubuntu 16.04, I'm going to move on to a branch for that and then come back to this after that.
10:42 jeff isn't this expected to fail on recent Encode.pm?
10:43 Dyrcona jeff: Yes. That was what I was testing, but this is not a recent Encode AFAIK.
10:43 jeff ah.
10:43 Dyrcona It failed on 16.04, and I'm testing 14.04 for duplication, etc.
10:44 jeff my guess right now is that you're running into the bug where sipserver doesn't properly flush the buffer on the socket.
10:44 jeff because it's not counting bytes.
10:44 Dyrcona Encode is 2.49...
10:51 dbs coffee++
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10:52 csharp NOBLE++
10:55 Dyrcona I'm going to test and push Bmagic's branch on Lp 1613326.  (I think I promised to do that last month, and never found my tuit.)
10:55 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1613326 in SIPServer "SIPServer UNIVERSAL removed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1613326
10:56 berick noble++ kmlussier++
10:56 jeff Dyrcona: pretty sure user/jeff/fix_universal_can will fix your "I want to fix the UNIVERSAL does not export anything message on Ubuntu 16.04" issue
11:08 Dyrcona I'll add Bmagic's bug number and give him some credit in commit message. How's that?
11:08 jeff i'll push a new branch with a reasonable commit message and comment on the bug.
11:10 Dyrcona OK. I'll wait.
11:13 Dyrcona dbs | jeff: I'm convinced my solution to the Encode issues is not optimal. I haven't even really tested it yet, either.
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11:29 Dyrcona jeff++
11:29 Bmagic jeff++
12:19 Dyrcona Y'know. I may just try putting clean_text() on autoload Item fields and see what that does.
12:20 Dyrcona But first, I'll finish lunch.
12:20 jeff title/author with mangled characters were the most common trigger for us. i think that's due to a different issue in how MODS transforms are being done.
12:25 terran Bug Squashing Day Update: 6 patches have been tested & signed off on, and 3 new patches have been submitted!
12:34 jeff Dyrcona: bug 1628995
12:34 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1628995 in SIPServer "SIPServer can incorrectly calculate output message length, which can lead to clients hanging" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1628995 - Assigned to Jeff Godin (jgodin)
12:37 dbs jeff++ # different fun with encodings (bytes vs. length), heh
12:54 * Dyrcona adds use bytes; before POSIX::write to see if that makes a difference.
12:55 Dyrcona Bingo! We have a winner!
12:56 Dyrcona pysip2 doesn't choke on the multi-byte call number.
12:56 csharp @blame testing the wrong git branch
12:56 pinesol_green csharp: testing the wrong git branch WILL PERISH UNDER MAXIMUM DELETION! DELETE. DELETE. DELETE!
12:58 Dyrcona I'm inclined to fix the length calculation as its own bug and not mix it up with the Encode changes.
12:58 jeff i don't know that that's the best / long term fix, but i'll amend my commit message and push that branch. we've been using it in production for a while.
12:59 Dyrcona Where'd you put the use bytes; out of curiosity.
12:59 Dyrcona ?
13:06 dbs makes sense to keep it locally scoped to the length() call, to avoid having any other side effects
13:07 * dbs greps to see 15 length() calls to audit to see whether use bytes would be warranted or not
13:07 Dyrcona yeah, in my test, I did the same.
13:09 dbs +1 to fixing this one little bug first
13:10 * miker thinks `require bytes; ... bytes::length()` may be better?
13:10 Dyrcona miker: It may be better.
13:23 Dyrcona lines 95, and maybe 179 and 199
13:24 Dyrcona I misspoke about SIPServer.pm abov.
13:24 Dyrcona above.
13:29 abowling i've tackled this before, but i've slept and forgotten. trying to get a test server up and running to get rid of these darned bugs, and getting: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldbdpgsql
13:29 abowling anyone have any suggestions/memories?
13:29 abowling i have installed 9.3
13:36 berick abowling: what's the output of:  cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/evergreen.ld.conf
13:39 abowling berick: might be part of my probelm
13:39 abowling cat: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/evergreen.ld.conf: No such file or directory
13:40 jeff miker, others: opinions on "require bytes" being in the same lexical scope as the POSIX::write / bytes::length call? I'm tempted to put it in the Sip package itself, since 1) "require bytes" shouldn't have any side effects and 2) there is a slight possibility we may find other calls to length() that should be bytes::length() before we're done.
13:40 abowling berick: root@evergreen-2-10-6-test:/etc/ld.so.conf.d# cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/eg.conf
13:40 abowling /usr/local/lib/dbd
13:41 berick abowling: is there stuff in /usr/local/lib/dbd/ ?
13:42 abowling berick: there is, but nothing for psql
13:42 berick k, you should see libdbdpgsql.so
14:34 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1482757 in Evergreen "Loading records with located URIs should not delete and recreate call_numbers" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482757
14:38 miker Dyrcona: mess away
14:39 Dyrcona miker: Will do, as bug manager.
15:04 mmorgan dbwells: I'm testing lp 1422379 and see mention of a less onerous upgrade script than originally proposed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ever​green/+bug/1422379/comments/13
15:04 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1422379 in Evergreen "Move money.billing timestamps back to moment of fine" [Medium,Triaged] - Assigned to Michele Morgan (mmorgan)
15:05 mmorgan , but don't see the alternate upgrade script, but agree that it sounds much less onerous.
15:06 kmlussier @praise bug squashers
15:06 * pinesol_green bug squashers goes to eleven
15:06 kmlussier Bad grammar.
15:06 mmorgan I've done a lot of testing, generating a lot of fines for hourly as well as daily loan periods and finesk and it looks good so far.
15:08 mmorgan Did I really say that??? Been a long day...
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15:22 jeff mmorgan: were you able to do any testing on a system with billings dating back a long ways, to Evergreen 1.2.x.x and such?
15:23 mmorgan jeff: no, I don't have access to such a system.
15:24 mmorgan Is the only concern there the upgrade script for such systems?
15:26 jeff i wouldn't say it's my *only* concern, no. :-)
16:50 Topic for #evergreen is now Welcome to the #evergreen library system channel! | We are publicly logged: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen | Large pastes at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org
17:01 terran Dyrcona: Yes, I counted the bugmaster changes that I saw
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17:09 dbwells mmorgan: Thanks for testing that branch!  I pushed a rebased version with the reworked upgrade script just now:  http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Everg​reen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/user/dbwells​/lp1422379_move_billing_timestamps_rebase_v3
17:16 abowling berick++
17:16 abowling berick: you led me down the trail. the fix is this: cp -R /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/* /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
17:16 abowling after that, make runs fine

Results for 2016-09-28

07:38 pinesol_green csharp: [evergreen|Dan Scott] Support Apache 2.4 configuration directives - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d4f6bf8>
07:39 csharp 375054cf
07:39 pinesol_green csharp: [evergreen|Bill Erickson] Collections user balance API / batch file output - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=375054c>
08:05 csharp okay, so I just now learned about the collections batch file feature that's been around for years, and I'm looking to enable it.  If I browse to /collections/, I'm prompted to log in and I get a 404, but if I create a test file and browse to it it works.  Is that the expected behavior, that the file works but the directory doesn't?
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08:18 * kmlussier yawns
08:18 kmlussier @coffee [someone]
10:09 Dyrcona rhamby is safe, then. :)
10:09 * Dyrcona is readying his xenial VM for bug squashing day tomorrow.
10:10 rhamby :)
10:10 * Dyrcona believe he will test his new and improved SIP branch.
10:11 Dyrcona jeff: Do you mind if I start working on a branch to remove clean_text from the Evergreen sip code?
10:12 jeff if you have lots of free time go for it. i'll take it off my list for today.
10:12 jeff and i'll be happy to test.
10:13 jeff or counter, if i'm feeling particularly opinionated.
10:13 Dyrcona I'll see if I can get to it today.. :)
10:14 Dyrcona First, I want to make sure that the SIPServer changes don't hose a more-or-less stock master installation.
10:14 Dyrcona But, so I can test removing clean_text, I'll at least start a branch today.
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12:41 * Dyrcona checks
12:43 Dyrcona Nope.
12:44 Dyrcona Once I set that up, maybe I'll make a Lp bug to have it added to the seed data for concerto.
12:46 dbs Dyrcona: it doesn't look like there are any users with non-ASCII characters in their names or other data, either.
12:46 dbs which would be really helpful for testing
12:47 Dyrcona dbs: Yeah, I was going to look into that, too. I can get some records to load if need be.
12:47 Dyrcona I think I still have a small file of vietnamese records hanging around somewhere.
12:48 dbs yep, /[^\d0-\d127] says no match
14:41 * JBoyer is also distracted by other projects, so isn't really checking the EI db..
15:03 mmorgan DPearl: kmlussier: Looks like this can happen when transferring volumes as described in lp 1411422
15:03 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1411422 in Evergreen 2.10 "Copy details repeated in search results when item/volume moved with parts attached" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1411422
15:04 kmlussier mmorgan: I tried transferring volumes on a test system, but I didn't see the problem occur.
15:05 * mmorgan didn't try and reproduce, but remembered it being a problem in the past.
15:12 kmlussier Speaking of that bug, Bmagic_ did you see my comments on bug 1411422 regarding old parts being left behind and the possibility of a regression test?
15:12 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1411422 in Evergreen 2.10 "Copy details repeated in search results when item/volume moved with parts attached" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1411422
15:12 * kmlussier would love to see that bug fix merged.
15:38 Dyrcona So, I just inserted some copies with SQL and a SIP2 request for item info times out.
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15:44 Dyrcona So, if we had upgraded to Jessie, instead of crashing the vendor's software, these records would crash ours. :(
15:45 dbs We're on Ubuntu 14.04, fwiw
15:46 Dyrcona We're on Squeeze in production and I'm testing on Ubuntu 16.04.
15:46 Dyrcona Ubuntu 14.04 does not exhibit this problem.
15:47 Dyrcona Well, Perl < 5.20 doesn't exhibit this problem.
15:49 jeff by nature of including the affected version of Encode.pm
16:02 StomproJosh jeff, I'm going to start a bug on stacking/multiple AT validators.  I've wondered a few times about not being able to have several validators.  It would be nice to always include a UsrHasEmail validator for an email notice, along with any others.
16:02 dbs my hypothesis for the reason that i needed to remove clean_text() for item info was that supercat started encoding the incoming data properly
16:03 Dyrcona dbs: Could be. Looks like Supercat and SIP are the only modules that call decode_utf8
16:04 Dyrcona Wel, I'll remove clean_text() (should be easy) test SIP, and then see what happens with Supercat look ups of these two records I have that break SIP.
16:04 dbs so if you try to decode it twice now, boom, whereas before decode_utf8() was safe to call multiple times on the same data
16:05 jeff supercat and/or unapi exhibit other non-crashy encoding issues.
16:05 Dyrcona Well, I find it breaks on utf-8 data, period.

Results for 2016-09-26

16:18 JBoyer (Ideally when most places don't need it...)
16:21 Dyrcona JBoyer: Thanks. I'll discuss that with the other folks here and see what they think. If we're still having "issues" tomorrow, we might just go with that.
16:22 Dyrcona It should be pretty easy to add.
16:22 JBoyer I'm not sure why it would be necessary though, if you don't have a value at all I think it should still be false. :/ (I haven't had a chance to test that change myself.)
16:23 Dyrcona Well, I haven't looked into it much. I just know that resetting to prior to that commit "fixed" it. :)
16:24 Dyrcona I only have 53 policy tags each for four oils_sip.xmls on as many servers...
16:24 Dyrcona Nothing that cssh and sed can't handle. :)

Results for 2016-09-23

12:22 * kmlussier will also recheck the page one last time to make sure I didn't miss any other glaring errors.
12:23 csharp berick: cstore does see the call
12:23 csharp which is 405466 bytes
12:23 berick csharp: ok.. so maybe tsbere is on to something.  it's easy to test that one.. sec
12:23 csharp ok
12:25 berick csharp: mind seeing what happens if you add this line (and restart trigger) -- maybe on a dev server if possible
12:25 berick https://gist.github.com/berick/f​4e1ac051ac8860faaf72816d867b460
12:27 berick yeah, exactly
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12:36 * berick steps away for a bit
13:02 csharp ugh - now I'm in a rabbit hole of trying to get logging working properly on my acq testing server :-/
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13:17 * tsbere dislikes finding 42 bib records with a bad type character
13:18 tsbere If anyone wants the query I used to *find* said bib records I am willing to share
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13:29 dbwells kmlussier: Took me a second, but I see the heading you are talking about now.  Sure, I can regenerate/repost them when ready.
13:31 kmlussier dbwells: Thanks! I've also caught a few typos that I missed on previous proofreading. Making the changes now.
13:36 csharp berick: same behavior after that change
13:38 csharp I was hopeful when a PO on our test server with 212 items printed, but the 313-long one that triggered the helpdesk ticket is still timing out
13:39 berick csharp: ok, mind trying one more thing?
13:39 csharp sure
13:39 kmlussier Do we have a 2.11 release branch yet?
15:15 dbs csharp berick: thank you for doing this work, it seems very very similar to what we're seeing (albeit more with checkins than triggers)
15:16 dbs because it seems superweird for a simple checkin to time out in the database
15:17 * dbs was wondering if networking issues (like ipv6 routing madness from years past?) might also be playing a role
15:17 kmlussier Bmagic: I'm unable to test the web client to see if I can replicate it, but there was a recent small fix to the patron search form that might be a starting point for your investigation.
15:17 kmlussier ee711968
15:17 pinesol_green kmlussier: [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1436987: webstaff - fix patron search form - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ee71196>
15:17 Bmagic thanks!
15:21 Dyrcona csharp: That would indicate that the call to create the trigger in the database failed.
15:21 Dyrcona Or timed out along the way, which you already know. :(
15:22 Dyrcona Well, the event output, rather.
15:22 berick dbs: well, this one is a problem with the size of the data, a blob of text way larger than any normal processing (unless you're bib records are .3 Megabytes in size)
15:22 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Scott] Add a simple Item Information test for SIP server - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=9dd9dca>
15:29 csharp Dyrcona: stock as of 2.9.2
15:29 berick csharp: still on ubuntu 14.04?
15:29 csharp berick: yep
15:35 * Dyrcona hands out BLOBs.
15:36 Bmagic kmlussier: phew - it turned out to be some sort of browser caching issue - opened incognito and violla
15:36 kmlussier Bmagic: Glad to hear it!
15:38 csharp I'm going to have to stop working on this until I get my test server updated - I'm monkeying around too much on the prod servers :-/
15:40 Dyrcona @bartender
15:40 * pinesol_green fills a pint glass with Cantillon Saint Lamvinus, and sends it sliding down the bar to Dyrcona (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/388/8954)
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Results for 2016-09-22

14:30 kmlussier Nope
14:30 graced kmlussier++
14:30 graced #topic Release Manager's Report
14:30 miker we have a tarball!
14:30 miker I've just seen word that testing is coming to a close soon, hopefully
14:31 miker dbwells has been coordinating testing across distros, distro versions, and postgres versions
14:31 miker tomorrow is a likely announce date, if it doesn't happen today
14:32 graced miker++
14:32 afterl miker++
14:32 graced dbwells++
14:32 sherbertbc miker++
14:32 afterl dbwells++
14:32 collum miker++ dbwells++
14:32 miker and, to be specific, dbwells cut the tarball on wednesday, on schedule. we're just being extra careful about testing
14:32 rgagnon miker++
14:32 miker no brown bags!
14:32 kmlussier miker++ dbwells++
14:32 gmcharlt miker++
14:32 gmcharlt dbwells++
14:32 terran dbwells++ miker++
14:32 miker also,
14:32 miker Bmagic++
14:32 miker jeff++
14:32 miker they're doing tests as well
14:33 afterl Bmagic++  jeff++
14:33 kmlussier Bmagic++ jeff++
14:33 graced Bmagic++ jeff++  because miker said so

Results for 2016-09-19

10:34 mmorgan Then blank out the field once they've run.
10:36 Dyrcona mmorgan: That's interesting. What delay do you use?
10:37 Dyrcona My oldest failed event is about 33 hours old at this point.
10:38 mmorgan Is this a trigger that runs several times during the day?
10:39 mmorgan I usually do this in testing, and use a very short delay, like 5 minutes so I can rerun as soon as I've tweaked.
10:39 Dyrcona Well, I'm assuming it is all SendEmail triggers, but I should really look through the now, 3,689 messages in the queue to make sure. :)
10:39 Dyrcona I don't have really have a testing environment.
10:39 tsbere Dyrcona: I would avoid doing the repeatability delay trick. As you are using existing triggers it would try and deal with things for older events too.
10:40 tsbere For testing *new* configs it is a useful trick though
10:40 Dyrcona My oldest delivery failure is about 33 hours old.
10:40 berick yeah, for a simple re-do, clearing the fields on the events will do it.
10:41 Dyrcona mmorgan: Thanks for the suggestion. I think I'm just going to clear the events.

Results for 2016-09-16

10:46 dbs current status: what the hell happened to take our nice "running with 5GB of free RAM for a full day" into an OOM situation just a few hours later in the middle of the night
10:53 Dyrcona A bot? A book on an enter key? A ridiculous search query?
11:04 Dyrcona JBoyer: This looks like the list of services required for SIP on a 2.9 installation: http://pastebin.com/MmVxGC9j
11:04 Dyrcona NOTE: I have not tested that on a VM or anything, so something might be missing.
11:05 Dyrcona That just looks like the things that could actually get used by the calls that the SIP driver makes.
11:06 JBoyer Dyrcona, I'm running on tuit fumes currently, but I've got a couple places I could test that out eventually. I'll admit trigger is a surprise, but I realize there are the occasional interdependencies that aren't always clear.
11:07 Dyrcona JBoyer: Well, circ could end up making a call to trigger. It probably won't but it wasn't totally clear.
11:08 JBoyer Ah, that makes sense for some of the active events.
11:09 Dyrcona I also could have spent more time on it. :)
11:51 dbs the Apache drones and their 150M of memory per process :/
11:52 Dyrcona miker: I can always take a look when I get the chance, which has not been very often lately.
11:53 * dbs was tempted to start working with nginx or a similar caching proxy again to try and offload some of that weight, but also doesn't want to add another layer of complexity
11:53 Dyrcona I've also had a hard time reproducing this myself on a test environment.
11:53 dbs miker: ah that's what I was thinking of, didn't realize it hadn't been merged yet
11:54 miker in particular, a pile-up occurs when we get a spew of requests that take a long time to process. the apache backends wait for the opensrf request to finish, even if the client side has gone away. the branch attempts avoid that wait, by checking at 1s intervals for client connectedness when it's inside modperl
11:54 miker dbs: well, we have had same-search guards for a long time ... 2.5, maybe? ... but that only saves the middle layer and the db
16:58 Dyrcona A new feature might be to add a command in the staff client to recalculate penalties.
16:58 phasefx the Refresh button triggers the api call for refreshing penalties
16:59 phasefx checking something in or out should also do it
17:01 mmorgan Hmm. On production system, 2.9, penalties are recalculating when I refresh.
17:01 mmorgan On 2.10.5 test system, penalties don't recalculate when I refresh.
17:01 phasefx mmorgan: are the org depths the same on the penalty definitions?
17:02 phasefx between systems
17:02 Dyrcona And all this time I thought that Refresh only retrieved the patron information again.
17:02 phasefx wasn't really joking when I suggested org units :)
17:04 mmorgan So on production system, PATRON_EXCEEDS_FINES has null org_depth
17:04 mmorgan test system has 0
17:04 phasefx what I don't have a good handle on is the behavior with org depths, I just remember they can cause problems
17:04 mmorgan but it's a consortium wide penalty
17:05 * mmorgan guesses this won't get solved today  will revisit on Monday;-)
17:05 phasefx mmorgan: I bet if you make it null on the test system it'll work
17:05 mmorgan Will try that next, but have to run. Have a good weekend, all!
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Results for 2016-09-15

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11:26 Stompro Thanks all for the damaged item nfo.  Now that I think about it more it is probably a bad idea to combine them, they are two seperate situations that get treated differently in our state law.  If we notify about damaged items we will send a seperate notice.
11:35 * Dyrcona wonders at the usefulness of an interface to undelete patrons. I guess it would only work here because the client doesn't do the obliteration dance on delete for ... reasons.
11:42 * kmlussier updates the MassLNC community demo server to 2.10.6 early because she had to test something on 2.10 anyway.
11:42 kmlussier For now, then, we're going to have 2 community demo servers on the same major release.
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12:00 Dyrcona "hello, headache, my old friend...I feel you've come to me again."
12:00 Dyrcona "it's just the pain of sinus..."
14:10 pinesol_green csharp: [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1464709 Rename checkout_ok to is_available - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2c40b84>
14:15 Bmagic miker: sorry for the delay - The SIP server is working as expected on 2.11rc
14:16 Bmagic my copy of production database was 2.9.1 and that did not work
14:16 miker Bmagic: sweet, thanks for testing!
14:16 miker oh? how did it break?
14:16 Bmagic I had to raise the db to 2.11rc (to match the Evergreen code) - auth errors otherwise - db functions missing
14:17 Bmagic I didn't try the SIPServer against 2.9.1 evergreen
14:17 miker oh, the db was 2.9.1 but the evergreen code was 2.11
14:17 Bmagic right
14:17 Bmagic I suppose the SIPServer will work against older Evergreen installs?
14:18 miker it should
14:18 Bmagic I think I can test that as well if needs be
14:18 miker old drivers should ignore the new parameter
14:18 miker JBoyer: did you test the new sip stuff (passing a workstation) against old evergreen that doesn't expect to receive that?
14:21 rjackson_isl miker: the boss is off to one of his many meetings currently so he will get back to you!
14:21 miker rjackson_isl: heh, thanks :)
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14:28 miker right, that's my reading too
14:29 * tsbere glares at the glare on his screen as well as the ineffective blinds that are full of intentional holes
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14:31 csharp kmlussier: I just pushed a probable fix to bug 1624025 to http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Ev​ergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/user/c​sharp/lp1624025_copy_status_missing_field - are you able to easily test it?  I'm not in a place at the moment where I can test it on my own server
14:31 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1624025 in Evergreen "Hold targeting weirdness in 2.11" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1624025
14:33 kmlussier csharp: Yes, berick shared the same fix earlier (up above around the time I was complaining about comcast). It does indeed work.
14:33 csharp oh great :-)

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