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Results for 2014-05-28

04:58 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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09:17 csharp so is anyone out there in Evergreen land running their staff workstations in virtualized environments?  I'm specifically interested in whether anyone's running Windows on VMWare, but I wanted to cast a wide net
09:18 RoganH I have one library that runs on the MS platform (can't remember it's name).
09:18 csharp one of our member libraries is complaining of constant freezes and needs for restarts and I was looking for a comparison point
09:19 RoganH I know a few more that have talked about it.  I'll check to see where they are in their testing.
09:19 csharp RoganH: thanks!
09:19 RoganH Actually, now that I think about it, we have another who has been virtual for a long time and they might be VMWare.  I tend to forget about them because they did it before it was cool.
09:20 RoganH They had a really top notch IT guy at the time.
09:21 csharp phasefx: yeah, I would *love* to steer them towards something like Lubuntu, but that's almost certainly out of the question ;-)
09:21 * csharp reboots the Fedora buildslave
09:22 phasefx csharp: if it's all configured, they can just pretend it's a weird app :)
09:22 RoganH OK, I'm seeing a very narrow problem with searching for email.  Can I get anyone else to test it in their staff clients?
09:22 csharp heh - yeah, I'll see if I can sneak that in ;-)
09:22 RoganH What happens is if you search for an email that starts with an 'a.' will fail.
09:23 RoganH So, for example, a.smith@generic.net will generate an error.  Or A.smith@generic.net
09:27 RoganH We've been playing around to narrow down the criteria.  It's odd.
09:28 RoganH Specifically I get a 500 network error.
09:28 jeff and server side, what is the error?
09:28 RoganH I tested this last night at 11 pm when there was no server load.
09:29 RoganH I haven't gone that far yet.  I was looking to see if others knew of anything similar but it sounds like a unique to us thing now.
09:30 RoganH The weird ones are kind of fun so long as they don't affect too many situations.  :)
09:30 jeff RoganH: not that I think that method has changed much recently, but what version are you on?

Results for 2014-05-27

08:33 kmlussier Has anyone else had trouble with these group format and edition searches?
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08:35 bshum I haven't tried combining fields. Only used keyword to test. Sigh.
08:36 csharp well, that should at least be obvious in the osrferror.log
08:37 bshum One side thought is whether we should be adding the new qtype selector choices on that advanced search page too
08:37 bshum Unrelated
08:56 csharp awesome
08:58 bshum dbwells: Yeah I hadn't gotten to the OR operator yet, but suspected :\
08:59 dbwells It doesn't even need to be two fields.  Just putting 'one && two' in the basic search box will trigger the bug when adding 'Group formats'.
09:00 bshum Yeesh
09:00 bshum Nothing quite like live testing bugs in production :)
09:00 kmlussier It's too bad I didn't start preparing for my new features demo before you all upgraded. :)
09:02 dbwells @blame kmlussier
09:02 pinesol_green dbwells: kmlussier is why we can never have nice things!
15:17 eeevil Dyrcona:  how about something like: where => {+ccvm => {  id => { '<@' => { transform => 'intset', value => {'+mravl' => 'vector' }}}}}     [entirely untested]
15:17 Dyrcona eeevil: That's better than what I got. I'll give it a whirl.
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15:27 bshum berick++ # we'll test it a bit and I'll probably sign / push it soon
15:28 bshum I wonder if dbwells has cut the maintenance releases yet, or if this can be one of the last things we get in there...
15:40 dbwells bshum: Since we had our upgrade scheduled for last Friday, I decided it made more sense to release afterwards in case we encountered any new bugs.  If you can get this in today, please do, but I'm less comfortable stretching much beyond that.
15:40 bshum dbwells++ # sounds like a plan, 2.6.1 ftw!  :)
15:40 bshum I don't have much else new to push through on my end at the moment.
16:45 jcamins My public libraries give me a headache.
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16:53 jcamins bshum: the first line is excellent.
16:56 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1322303 cleanse backdate for checkin overdue voiding - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e3e264a>
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17:27 eeevil @later tell krvmga this is precisely the situation where search.relevance_adjustment comes into play.  In particular, the first_word bump. though, ideally, it would be a more generic "starts with" adjustment. of course, an actual title search does a LOT better in terms of ranking

Results for 2014-05-26

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21:05 jeff jcamins_: unless they're app tabs, in firefox, tabs are loaded on-demand.
21:06 jeff i.e., upon startup the content in each tab from the previous session isn't fetched and rendered until the first time you activate the tab.
21:12 jcamins_ jeff: yeah, but it was the action of opening the tab that was simultaneous.

Results for 2014-05-25

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Results for 2014-05-24

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17:15 jcamins_ dbwells: (or was it dbs) for future reference, opening up 1649 tabs simultaneously is a bad idea. It takes a long time for them all to render.
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Results for 2014-05-23

00:31 jeffdavis gamambel: Evergreen isn't set up to work that way across separate, independent instances. But it *is* designed for consortial environments, where many different libraries with their own holdings, policies, etc., share the same instance of Evergreen.
05:18 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
05:58 gamambel jeffdavis: i haven't had the time yet to look into it in detail, but is there an API or something to facilitate connecting multiple instances
05:58 gamambel ?
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08:11 csharp @hate troubleshooting reports
08:11 pinesol_green csharp: The operation succeeded.  csharp hates troubleshooting reports.
08:11 csharp @hates
08:11 pinesol_green csharp hates dojo_hold_policies_interface; SIP; when libraries purchase third party products without testing and blame Evergreen for it not working; reports; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa; evil; reports more; reports even moar; details; reports even more; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out (1 more message)
08:11 csharp @more
08:11 pinesol_green csharp: when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa even more; having to teach SIP2 client vendors about the SIP2 specification; and troubleshooting reports
08:25 Dyrcona @hates
09:08 Dyrcona Yeah, I can see that, too. I don't want to overcomplicate things.
09:08 Dyrcona ;)
09:08 Dyrcona Yep, NCIP is overly complicated 'cause its basically: "Heres' an array of options that you can implement. Enjoy!"
09:10 jeff and there's an in-between of the subclass approach and the "recommended list of config settings" approach, where you just have a config setting for "flavor" and set it to "INN-Reach" or "FooLibrarySoftware", and that dictates the defaults while still allowing for specific overrides. I don't think I favor that option, though.
09:10 jeff (seems like it would lead to less-readable code, and make things harder to test)
09:19 tsbere jeff: I think I prefer "recommended list of config settings" coupled with "config file allows for including another file" and each 'flavor' being a config file to include. Or perhaps just a config file to specify. But I am not working on any of the code in question. >_>
09:19 tsbere jeff: You get some of the "flavor" config setting feel, but without it actually being a standard config option.
09:22 Dyrcona tsbere: Since modules can be loaded at runtime, I prefer a default set of options, with the capability of loading a sub module when necessary.
16:59 Dyrcona JMGoldberg: You check it in to get it out of In Process status.
17:00 hbrennan And in your library, you can make things in In Process status as visible in the OPAC
17:00 hbrennan great for letting patrons place holds on items before they are ready
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17:01 JMGoldberg Alright, I was able to set up the basics!
17:01 JMGoldberg Thank you all again so much!
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Results for 2014-05-22

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09:17 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1321411: restore ability to handle credit payments using a processor other than Stripe - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e2261fe>
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09:45 pastebot "mrpeters" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "An easier way to audit in-db circ rules via PostgreSQL" (7 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/39
09:46 mrpeters ^^ whipped that up, threw it on random magic spells also
14:26 phasefx dbs: I can dream; I doubt anything will happen along either of those lines :)  but take a drop-down for switching languages on the fly, and just extend the concept.  That's what I was thinking
14:27 dbs We basically jumpstarted the docs thanks to SITKA and Michigan Evergreen and a few others who had their own local docs
14:28 bshum dbs: I'll try and take a poke at it later this afternoon if someone else doesn't get there first.  I'm at a day conference and learning about OpenStack right now :)
14:30 PSm Do you think I should not install client same machine as the server, not even to be able to test the DB?
14:31 Dyrcona PSm: I'd recommend downloading a client to your local computer and testing it from there.
14:31 PSm ok, thanks for the advice
14:34 Dyrcona bshum: Kill it with fire. Those instructions are for 1.6!
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19:56 gamambel is it possible to federate libraries with evergreen? i want users to be able to return books at a different library, for example, but have the libraries run independent instances
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Results for 2014-05-21

10:36 jeff some uncertainty if this is in chrome 35 or 36, but it looks like the long-anticipated Object.observe() has landed: http://www.html5rocks.com/​en/tutorials/es7/observe/
10:37 jeff I'd guess Chrome 36 (which is currently beta), and that the Tweet from @ChromiumDev was incorrect in saying 35
10:38 gmcharlt bshum: I really like the new wiki template
10:44 bshum gmcharlt: I like that it's responsive.
10:44 bshum I was hoping that the dokubook theme (to mimic mediawiki) was, but it didn't turn out that way.
10:45 bshum Oh good, and it works with no-JS
10:45 bshum (forgot to test that too...)
10:46 jeff in many ways, themes that mimic something else just end up creating more confusion because it "looks like" X but "isn't actually" X
10:48 bshum True, true
10:48 jboyer-isl Ugh, memories of "iOS app" wordpress mobile themes...
11:43 bshum (just musing, I don't know the answer to the question yet)
11:45 tsbere bshum: I think mmorgan means "between sessions"
11:45 mmorgan bshum: Yes, it should be obvious by looking at the screen. My larger question actually is where all those sticky things in the client are stored. Checkin modifiers, checkboxes, etc.
11:46 tsbere mmorgan: Have you closed the client when testing? The preferences file may not be written right away even if it is visible in about:config
11:46 mmorgan tsbere: Not sure, will check that.
11:47 bshum Yeah, but if they're visibly part of the checkin screen (with text/color/boxes/whatnot) why would you need to know where they're stored between sessions?  Cause they seem to stick from closing out and coming back in, no?
11:47 tsbere mmorgan: Beyond that, I seem to find them in the prefs.js file itself here
16:43 jeff wait, really? i feel embarassed not knowing that.
16:44 bshum Yeah that doesn't seem quite right somehow
16:44 jeff almost as embarrassed as me not spelling embarrassed correctly. :P
16:45 bshum Wow, that's just depressing
16:45 bshum tested and true.
16:45 bshum I hate that.
16:45 bshum I want it to index the whole thing
16:45 bshum Just in case
16:46 bshum :\
16:46 bshum Bleh
16:46 bshum This is why I just stick to keyword search :D
16:47 bshum In that case we really, really ought to turn on this library setting...
16:48 kmlussier Well, the thing is, if it does pay attention to "the" when you enter the initial article, then the user would be stuck if they didn't use the initial article when entering the search.
16:50 kmlussier bshum: It's a global flag.
16:50 bshum Hmm
16:50 kmlussier Map of search classes to regular expressions to warn user about leading articles
16:51 jeff okay, testing on 2.5.1 title search for the help and "^the help$" both return results I would expect. that makes me think that i misunderstood the problem. what am I doing different?
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16:51 kmlussier jeff: In browse search?
17:13 bshum krvmga: If you're asking about our production, that's mainly because we're not live yet on a version that includes that feature (ask me again next week)
17:13 frank___ hi all, does someone could tell me what is the script I have to run to make a reingest?
17:13 krvmga bshum: oh, sorry, i thought you were on 2.5 already
17:13 bshum krvmga: But if you're asking about our test server, I've been avoiding it for now because I don't think people really care about it at the results level.
17:13 bshum krvmga: That's a 2.6 feature isn't it?
17:13 frank___ I am working on 2.6 EG v
17:14 krvmga bshum: 2.5, according to the release notes
17:14 kmlussier bshum: There is a 2.5 feature that only uses OU settings
17:15 krvmga bshum: we have that already
17:16 krvmga but i'm going to bet you mean something different from what we have.
17:18 kmlussier OK, I've given up on working on my other project to look in the database, and I think I've caught up to speed on what's happening. But to make sure I'm understanding it correctly. We have the alternate title index that is set to search and browse...
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17:20 kmlussier And that index will create one browse entry based on alternative title, which is where we see the entries starting with "the"...
17:20 kmlussier And will create a second entry based on alternative-nfi, which honors those non-filing indicators.
17:20 bshum krvmga: Well, I was thinking about making it a page in the catalog, and not something referenced elsewhere on another website.
20:39 gsams well, that might explain things then
20:39 bshum Otherwise it'll just keep doing its thing
20:40 hbrennan Hmm, that's good to know! That's going on a stickie
20:40 gsams weird how it didn't do anything with my other tests though, that's going to bug me I think.
20:40 bshum Also
20:40 dcook Could I beg a favour from someone?
20:41 bshum Depends on how your email notification was scripted
22:06 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jeff Godin] LP#1246843: Don't show contact invalidators for new users - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=1ed5744>
22:15 bshum Man I feel so rusty
22:18 * dbs sprays wd40 on bshum
22:19 bshum Heh, thanks :)
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22:47 bshum dbs: I'm looking at bug 1303544 and in my testing the extra .trim in the misc_util.tt2 for isbn/upc/issn result in having nothing show up at all in the catalog.  Maybe I'm doing something wrong in my test server, I'll double check on another one.
22:47 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1303544 in Evergreen master "ISBNs should be cleaned up in record summary output" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1303544
22:48 bshum Otherwise, the change to record/summary.tt2 works fine and seems to put the ISBN on its own as described
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23:27 dbs bshum: I don't think I have a current test VM around to give it a shot right now; feel free to merge just the summary.tt2 changes

Results for 2014-05-20

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05:25 TSU-evergreen hii all
05:28 TSU-evergreen can somebody  help me ЫЫ
08:45 dbs maybe we can borrow the @welcome plugin from zoia as well (it recognizes new visitors to the channel and sends them a quick summary message like kmlussier did)
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08:59 kmlussier dbs: This one?: https://github.com/code4lib/supybot-​plugins/tree/master/plugins/Greeter
08:59 DPearl Question: I'm looking at a change in /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/OpenI​LS/Application/Circ/Circulate.pm.  What do I need to restart in order to test the changes in that file?
09:00 jeff at a minimum, the open-ils.circ service.
09:01 jeff that might be it.
09:01 dbs kmlussier: that's it!
09:01 DPearl jeff: Thanks!
09:02 jeff in most cases when testing even small changes, i do the work in a local git branch, push that branch to a development server, stop apache and opensrf, then make, make install, start opensrf, start apache. sometimes i also restart memcached or perform a selective removal of keys from memcached.
09:04 jeff thinking on that a bit, my only real reason for not doing a full memcached restart is usually just that i want to preserve my session -- i should probably either get used to just logging in again, or manually insert my session after a full restart.
09:04 jeff (of memcached)
09:04 jeff (or flush)
09:05 jeff mostly because a partial deletion of keys and their values requires either that i know the exact key, or that i use memcdump and grep, and memcdump is not guaranteed to give you every key in every situation.
09:05 tsbere jeff: I have aliases that do the entire install/reinstall process for me on my dev machine, and I use the automatic login options on the staff client. The only place I normally log into my dev machine is in the catalog, or if I want a different user than one of the normal three I use in the staff client. :D
09:06 Dyrcona What tsbere said, plus I only do the makes and restarts when necessary.
09:06 * tsbere even lets the browser remember the passwords for three "patron" accounts, though, so even the catalog isn't a big deal for logging in
09:06 Dyrcona If I'm messing with tt2 fles or server side client files, I just copy them in place and clear the cache in the staff client or browser.
09:07 * jeff nods
09:07 jeff templates i often test without restarting, just cache-clearing
09:07 Dyrcona DPearl: You'll want to restart open-ils.circ. Depends on your version of OpenSRF how you do that.
09:07 jeff i wanted to get away from editing a perllib file in place on the dev system.
09:08 Dyrcona I use git for this stuff definitely.
09:10 jeff i edit code on my laptop, commit to a git branch, push that to a bare repo on the dev instance which is configured as a remote on itself
09:11 Dyrcona Fun thing: On my laptop I have my bare repos set up to pull from an empty.git repo on the laptop and push to the remotes on the dev machine.
09:11 Dyrcona This avoids errors when doing a git fetch --all and the remotes on the dev machine are not around.
09:12 jeff mostly the changes i'll be testing do not involve large schema changes, so i don't have much in place for the database other than "create volume from snapshot, mount, configure postgres to use that path" -- where the snapshot in question is a block-level snapshot of a device with a filesystem containing a restore of our production db from sometime in the last month or so.
09:13 Dyrcona I usually run upgrade scripts by hand, or for large changes I use a perl script that I wrote.
09:13 jeff Dyrcona: nice. the local repo i'm usually doing this from isn't somewhere where i typically fetch --all, but that's handy.
09:15 Dyrcona And this reminds me that I noticed memcached running on a machine where it doesn't have to and I want to disable it.
09:21 Dyrcona Does anyone have a server running 2.6 besides me at the moment?
09:21 _bott_ Unique is telling me that their collections calls are erroring out with "does not contain valid XML".  I'm wondering if I mistakenly updated a Perl mod.  Does anyone know if Precise has a version issue with any XML modules?
09:21 Dyrcona I ask because I suspect something is wrong with SuperCat feeds in general, but I haven't looked hard enough, yet.
09:21 _bott_ Dyrcona:  test server, running, yes.  I haven't touched it in a few weeks though.
09:22 Dyrcona _bott_: Not that I am aware of, but could be.
09:22 _bott_ I can't seem to locate my handy xml-rpc test scripts.  Gotta go recreate them to test.
09:23 Dyrcona _bott_: Oh. In that case, yeah, I had trouble with xml-rpc and precise all along, but never really narrowed it down.
09:23 jeff _bott_: there was a change to XMLRPC calls which made our method names no longer valid. there's a new way of spelling those method names, and Unique knows how to do it, but they might not have enabled it for your system -- I don't think it was as simple as "use these names, they work everywhere" -- I think it was more of a "flag day per system" thing.
09:24 Dyrcona Plus, what jeff just said. :)
10:23 jboyer-isl I see. Not a bad use of !, letting you know that you're potentially wrecking the variable you're working with.
10:23 jboyer-isl And saving a fair bit of typging.
10:24 jeff can't say i prefer it, more of a "using the conventions of the surrounding code" thing.
10:45 phasefx we don't have any metarecord examples in the test data do we?  I grouped by master_record on metabib.metarecord to test
10:47 jboyer-isl Sigh. on restore (of a 2.5.2-ish db) is anyone seeing this error: COPY failed for table "z3950_index_field_map": ERROR:  new row for relation "z3950_index_field_map" violates check constraint "valid_z3950_attr_type"
10:47 jboyer-isl It's a little disconcerting, as we have plenty of people that do z39.50 searches and there's obviously an entry in the production db being dumped each night.
10:50 bshum You know, I did have that happen at least once during one of my restores...
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11:53 bshum fwiw, gmcharlt, we applied https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1296937 to our production to help speedup lookups and it hasn't been a problem as far as I know.
11:53 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1296937 in Evergreen 2.5 "SIP2 Patron Information times out on too many checkouts/holds" (affected: 4, heat: 20) [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Galen Charlton (gmc)
11:54 gmcharlt bshum: yep, I'm nearly done testing it
11:54 bshum gmcharlt++
11:54 tsbere heh, I just poked him to say the same thing. We had people with a couple hundred holds complaining about overdrive not letting them log in. <_<
11:55 bshum Yeah, that's the same thing we saw :(
12:01 * tsbere recalls his testing: Insert a row into action.hold_request for every bib, then when that wasn't enough of a stress test adding one for every copy, for the test patron
12:02 pinesol_green [evergreen|Thomas Berezansky] LP#1296937: (SIP2) Add ids_only parameter to _items functions - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=9ce8743>
12:02 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1296937: (follow-up) make $ids_only be the last parameter for ->charged_items() - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2f27b78>
12:02 * tsbere wonders what Galen was doing with that follow  up commit
12:04 gmcharlt tsbere: bshum: Dyrcona: committed; note the follow-up
12:04 tsbere gmcharlt: What did that follow-up commit get us beyond confusing things inside of SIPServer?
12:04 gmcharlt tsbere: read the commit message on the Evergreen follow-up
12:05 tsbere gmcharlt: I did. I still don't get why it was needed. The code that used that parameter existed only in the Evergreen side of things, and if SIPServer triggered the "force barcode" code it actually *improved* the patron information response from not doing so in my own testing.
12:06 tsbere gmcharlt: Thus, as I said a moment ago: What does that get us beyond confusing things inside of SIPServer with different numbers of params needed for each summary call?
12:09 eeevil tsbere: I'm having a hard time understanding when it's ever a good idea to reorder positional parameters as opposed to always adding to the end
12:09 gmcharlt tsbere: prior to the follow-up, if one upgraded Evergreen but not SIPServer, it was unclear that the renew-all message would get the correct information to actually renew the items
12:10 tsbere gmcharlt: Ummm.....the renew-all code in question is part of Evergreen, not SIPServer. Which is my point. If you upgraded Evergreen you got the new version of the renew all code too.
13:48 tsbere gmcharlt: Wait, we care about breakage to JSPac? Since when?
13:48 gmcharlt this is probably a really obvious Q and A, but I think it wouldn't hurt to be explicit: are we all agreed that we don't care about anything that would break JSPac?
13:49 gmcharlt and no, I rather suspect we don't, but for as long as it lives in the code base, we should probably be crystal clear about expectations
13:50 jeff Not having tested jspac on 2.6 in... ever, I'm not sure why I'm asking, but: are you planning to backport the change that breaks jspac to rel_2_6 or is it just master-and-forward?
13:51 * kmlussier thinks we should break JSPac as much as we can to convince anyone who may be using it to get off of it.
13:52 kmlussier We officially stopped supporting it in 2.4, right?
13:52 gmcharlt something like that
15:28 jeff I have a report for 245 tags where ind2 is 4 and the first characters of the $a are not "The " :P
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15:31 hbrennan I'm going to flip flop the first and last of (6!) ISBNs for a title which is showing the wrong cover image...
15:32 jeff hbrennan: keep in mind that that may do nothing. in the code you're running, there is no predictable way to ensure that a certain ISBN is used for a Syndetics lookup.
15:33 jeff gmcharlt: does that code and that test pass for you? which version of Business::ISBN? It's been too many weeks since I was looking at Business::ISBN, but memory says it won't do what is expected there.
15:34 dbs we put some extensive ISBN pre-cleanup code into database logic to work with Business::ISBN, should be able to reuse that
15:34 gmcharlt jeff: that patch needed a couple follow-ups (also in the source tree) to deal with invalid ISBNs, but overall, it does appear to correctly normalize ISBNs, and produce variations of an ISBN
15:35 * jeff looks to see if his memory is wrong, but also sees that there's a new-this-year version of Business::ISBN
15:56 jeff tsbere++ for a very elegant proposed fix to key ordering
15:57 hbrennan I have to say, Syndetics did not use blame language towards EG
15:57 hbrennan it would be easy for them to do, but they didn't
15:57 jeff certainly. they've been very helpful when i have worked with them in the past.
15:57 jeff including providing us with a client code for development/testing, etc.
15:57 hbrennan They called it a "small technical issue" on EG's part
15:58 hbrennan And they did add the missing ISBNs in their database so our images would show.. at least for the two we were missing in the case
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16:59 gsams jeff: yeah that is basically what I will be trying to setup.
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17:01 gsams just a bit smaller scale, as in one library in a 13 library system.
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20:01 pinesol_green [evergreen|Srey Seng] LP#1312945: authority.calculate_authority_linking and multiple linked tags - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=663715d>
20:01 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#1312945: baseline schema update - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e7e9731>
20:01 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1312945: add regression test - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=73aff25>
20:01 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1312945: pin schema update - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4df12a9>
20:13 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Wells] LP#1314902: Restore header bar styles on results pages - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e174630>
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22:15 bshum It's just letting you know that this hasn't been done and it's just using the localhost address 127.0.1.1 as the servername for the apache service.
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22:23 PSM <bshum> Ok, I see. I guess should leave it this way then. My main concern is my staff client 2.6 on win xp machine is connecting fine to the server, but when I try Acquisitions, new brief record then to save the record I get the following error 'Event: 2002: DATABASE_QUERY_FAILED-> The attempt to query to the DB failed' on the server side it seems that it's running fine and I can do the srfsh test with no problems
22:25 bshum PSM: I'm afraid that I can't speak to how acquisitions operates in that area, so I'm unsure how to instruct you on proceeding further, but yeah, that apache warning you noted is just a warning, not an actual error per say.
22:26 PSM <bshum> I see, thanks for your help with Apache anyway.
22:27 PSM <bshum> I wonder where would you recommend me to go for more help about this?

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13:30 tsbere gsams: Did you double-check that the passwords in the SIP XML config are the ones provided to Evergreen *and* the clients are using the correct passwords?
13:30 * tsbere points out that this has been an issue for him in the past on his dev machine, mis-typing the password in one of the three spots and not noticing
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13:32 gsams tsbere: unfortunately yes again, I double checked that first, using the password from the xml file and copying it into Evergreen and then into a telnet sip session
13:32 gsams I also tested a few of the other credentials that I have and they all pass except for the new ones.
13:32 tsbere gsams: Did you ensure the permissions are properly set on the new accounts in Evergreen?
13:33 gsams tsbere: yes, they have the same permission group and permissions as other working sip users
13:33 tsbere gsams: Do your other sip users have secondary groups that the new ones may have had overlooked?
13:35 Dyrcona OK, just checking the obvious.
13:36 gsams Dyrcona: not a problem, I was hoping it was something obvious too.
13:36 gsams tsbere: I'm not sure if they have secondary groups or not honestly.
13:37 jcamins I have a suggestion of something else obvious. Did you check to make sure that you're connecting to the correct machine?
13:38 jcamins I've definitely had moments of panic where the new login isn't working... only to realize that I'm logging into a test server.
13:38 tsbere gsams: Perhaps run this for old vs new? If old doesn't return anything don't worry about the new.   SELECT pugm.grp FROM permission.usr_grp_map pugm JOIN actor.usr au ON pugm.usr = au.id WHERE au.usrname = 'some username';
13:39 gsams jcamins: yeah, I've got that part correct as well
13:39 gsams tsbere: nothing was returned for old users
14:55 * csharp weeps over bug 1207533
14:55 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1207533 in Evergreen 2.5 "Triggered event log times out for large-data sites" (affected: 13, heat: 70) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1207533
14:56 csharp I kicked off the query like 4 to 5 minutes ago
14:58 Bmagic Does anyone out there have some statistics on the preformace of their DB when running a full bib reingest? In testing I am measuring something like 22,500 bibs per hour. Does that sound right?
14:59 csharp Bmagic: I didn't record stats before... I know that it took most of 24 hours last time I did one (1.7 million bibs)
15:00 Bmagic csharp: that is 70,800 bibs per hour
15:01 Bmagic csharp: I might be able to get up to that speed when I use my raw real production machine, so perhaps I am on track
15:37 Dyrcona BTW, that git repo contains some other useful scripts.
15:38 ktomita Dyrcona: thank you.  I will check them out. Dyrcona++
15:39 Dyrcona http://git.mvlcstaff.org/ has some more useful and/or interesting repos of Evergreen-related things.
15:43 remingtron kmlussier: I'm reviewing bugs for 2.6.1 and wondered if you've tested this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1078593
15:43 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1078593 in Evergreen 2.6 "serials: deleting an issuance does not update the basic summary statement" (affected: 3, heat: 18) [Medium,Triaged]
15:44 kmlussier remingtron: Not yet. I was just talking to Dyrcona about that one. He's going to add it to his dev server this week. I'll test it as soon as it's been loaded.
15:45 remingtron kmlussier: okay thanks
15:46 remingtron kmlussier: not sure if you have influence over that timeline, but dbwells mentioned he might cut 2.6.1 on wednesday
15:46 Dyrcona I have a meeting in the morning and may be expected to attend another meeting in the afternoon.

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12:10 Jimmy_ I'll have to go now, I will be back if I have more questions. Wishing you all a wonderful Sunday!
14:51 jcamins dbs: what do you use for your presentations? I remember you saying you had a JS library you really liked, but there are a gazillion.
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14:43 gmcharlt @later tell Dyrcona I've fixed the problem with my patch series for bug 1320048
14:43 pinesol_green gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
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12:52 mmorgan Awesome!
12:58 kmlussier Bmagic++
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13:12 phasefx anyone want to sanity check my logic on staff client bandwidth requirements?
13:13 phasefx simply logging into an already registered staff client with stock test data seems to pull down 2.1MB of data in about 15 seconds.  That seems to be the most demanding activity as far as bandwidth goes.  Checking in 10 items, for example, only pulls 83.6KB and uploads 15.4KB
13:14 phasefx so, let's take the login example, 2.1MB in 15 seconds = 143.36 KBps.  If we had 10 staff doing that at exactly the same time, we'd have 143.36 KBps * 10 = 1.4 MBps = 11.2 Mbps
13:15 phasefx residential Charter internet offers 30 Mbps down.  So for 10 staff, residential Charter should be sufficient?
13:16 * phasefx looks at the upload side of it
13:17 phasefx 4Mbps upstream for Charter
13:19 phasefx so say we use checkin as our worst case scenario for upstream, 10 staff checking in 10 items each in...optimistic 10 seconds.  15.4KB/10s * 10 = .12 Mbps
13:30 jeff latency and ack starvation from a saturated connection are bigger concerns than bandwidth.
13:31 * phasefx can believe, but doesn't know how to tell folks to "shop" for that :(
13:32 tsbere phasefx: At this point I generally tell people "if you can get X people browsing the internet on the connection then you can run that many staff clients" >_>
15:15 krvmga even though i occasionally feel like i'm trying to gnarfle the garthok.
15:17 phasefx twas brillig, and the slithy toves
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15:44 jeff * [new branch]      container_date_sort -> user/jeff/container_date_sort
15:44 jeff basic proof of concept, but it seems to work okay.
15:44 jeff and hopefully the method i used wasn't too evil.
15:46 jeff haven't tried breaking it too much yet.
15:46 jeff that's forward-ported to master from testing on 2.5
16:11 jboyer-laptaupe phasefx: Do you think you could pull out a memory about a line of code you wrote 8 years ago? :D
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16:12 jboyer-laptaupe I've gotten a question about changing the Type of a receipt in the receipt editor. Apparently that drop-down was enabled at some point in the past (at least here) but if we made any changes to enable it they never hit git.
16:13 jboyer-laptaupe Do you know if there's a reason that the type of a receipt shouldn't be changed? The svn commit log where it was disabled got cut short in the transition to git.
16:14 jboyer-laptaupe It's an easy one-line change, but if it's going to break things I'd rather leave it be.
16:14 phasefx IIRC, the only role that type plays is in picking the test data for the preview pane. It's informational only
16:15 phasefx I may had delusions in the past of letting you switch to different test data sets
16:15 phasefx have had
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16:16 jboyer-laptaupe Hmm. I may need to see examples of what people are talking about here then. Someone wants to add billing info (balance_owed, etc.) to items_out, which I don't think will fly, though they claim it worked in the past.
16:16 phasefx jboyer-laptaupe: what would you imagine the behavior might be if you could change the type?
16:34 hbrennan to edit the form
16:34 phasefx so I don't see any special perms for those in stock
16:35 hbrennan No, sorry, those are some of the Library Settings I need to edit
16:35 * phasefx will try it with his test user
16:35 hbrennan so I need more permissions besides just UPDATE_ORG_SETTINGS
16:35 phasefx maybe, not sure yet
16:36 hbrennan someday I'll create a list of "If you want to do this" you need these permissions at these levels
16:43 hbrennan Are you looking at permissions under Admin > server > Permissions?
16:43 phasefx hbrennan: no
16:43 hbrennan phasefx: Hmm, where are you?
16:43 phasefx to see whether my test user had a permission or not, I was using the User Perm Editor
16:44 hbrennan in your "patron" info?
16:44 phasefx well, I went in through the Admin menu, but through the patron display is an option
16:44 hbrennan okay

Results for 2014-05-15

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12:09 jeff which is probably a good argument for any future "manual tuning" of metarecords to exist as overrides outside that table... maybe.
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12:28 jboyer-isl As luck would have it we just got a test database server large enough to handle a full dump/restore of our production data. Maybe I'll try that out sometime. As for now though, I think I will give quick_metarecord_map.sql a looking-over.
12:29 jboyer-isl Thanks!
12:32 kmlussier remingtron: A question on the 2.6 features that need documentation. For the removal of open-ils.ingest service, does the removal of a service require documentation?
12:33 kmlussier Or is there some documentation already that needs to be removed?
12:34 remingtron kmlussier: I guess the task of that feature assignment would be to answer the second question.
15:02 bbqben I wondered whether we might like to meet by phone perhaps at the next (or the one after) regular meeting.
15:02 bbqben I'll get a survey out next week to see what you think
15:02 kmlussier bbqben: Out of curiousity, why by phone?
15:03 bbqben kmlussier: thought you'd never ask!
15:04 bbqben Came to my attention at the conference that some folks feel a little je ne sais quoi about IRC - just wanting to test the waters on that especially around strategic discussions, e.g.
15:05 bbqben Obviously IRC provides a very full record of the conversation, and is totally inclusive - not wanting to sacrifice that, but perhaps go after some of the tonal qualities
15:05 bbqben e.g. a recorded teleconference once / twice a year
15:05 bbqben anyways, you asked. I'll survey :)
15:05 krvmga and there could be a transcript anyway
15:06 bbqben ok, unless there's no other business (in 10 seconds...)
15:07 bbqben our next meeting is 19.06.14 @ 11 Pacific
15:57 berick Bmagic: actor.org_unit_setting has the values
15:57 Dyrcona Bmagic: actor.org_unit_setting and config.org_unti_setting_type
15:57 * Dyrcona prefers a confederacy of dunces. :)
15:58 berick Dyrcona++ maketext testing
15:58 Bmagic berick++ Dyrcona++
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15:59 kmlussier Did the ESI quassel server just crash?
16:07 mmorgan Actually, this is more complicated. In our situation, age protect shouldn't be a failure at all.
16:07 phasefx and, I'm not familiar with that code at all, so don't know how hairy it might really be
16:08 kmlussier mmorgan: Because you have the auto-override setting set to True?
16:08 phasefx mmorgan: yeah, it's really the fines reason that failed the entire hold for your test patron
16:08 mmorgan kmlussier: Yes
16:08 phasefx but the way it works now, is that all the failure reasons come across the wire, if the hold fails altogether
16:08 phasefx and the UI picks one over another
16:09 phasefx so one thought is that maybe the only failure reasons we should send over the wire are the ones held in common across all the items that were tested for the hold
16:09 phasefx so in the example, only the fines one would get sent
16:10 phasefx but let's say it was fines and long overdue...  the UI as written today will still pick only one to display
16:10 phasefx but, at least either would make sense
16:11 phasefx it's only the failures that happen for a subset of the items tested that don't make sense
16:11 mmorgan phasefex: Right.
16:12 kmlussier phasefx: So let's say you only send reasons that are held in common across all items. What happens in a case where a patron is trying to place a hold on a title where all of the items are in a copy location, like reference, that doesn't allow holds? They have no other problems on their record that would prevent the hold.
16:12 kmlussier Would they get a reason for the hold failing?
16:24 mmorgan dessert cures many ills :)
16:24 kmlussier csharp: So should I be adding Lemon Chess Pie to my list of things to try the next time I visit Atlanta? Along with fried chicken and waffles, which I missed out on during my last trip.
16:24 csharp kmlussier: Chess Pie of any variety, yes.  I actually prefer straight-up Chess Pie myself ;-)
16:24 phasefx kmlussier: mmorgan: so right now, all failure events are trumping the PATRON_EXCEEDS_FINE event for display.  We could reverse the order of that test, and let exceeds fine trump everything else :)
16:25 phasefx that looks relatively simple
16:25 csharp America's Test Kitchen's home cookbook has a great recipe for it, btw - it's very easy (as pie baking goes)
16:25 phasefx well, almost all.  if something isn't coded for in the error map, I'm not sure what happens to it
16:25 kmlussier But what about events like exceeding overdue count or others that apply to all copies?
16:26 mmorgan Seems like failures due to blocks on the patron should be more important, and trump failures due to items
16:30 phasefx maybe in part, where it loops over items
16:32 phasefx and there are two maps in hold_error_messages.tt2, FAIL_PART_MSG_MAP and EVENT_MSG_MAP.  The first gets precedence over the second (and the second is where PATRON_EXCEEDS_FINES is defined/translated)
16:32 mmorgan If a patron is blocked, and can't place a hold at all, does it still loop over all the items? Sounds like it does.
16:33 phasefx let's say something is handled by FAIL_PART_MSG_MAP.. I'm not sure if it's the first event or the last event in the list of failure events that get returned
16:33 phasefx mmorgan: I think that's a true statement
16:34 phasefx and then if you override, it's looping through all the events, and testing for related .override permissions on each one
16:35 mmorgan Doesn't seem very efficient ;-)
16:35 phasefx this stuff evolves :)  the tests used to be javascript, and it was efficient enough for a while
16:36 phasefx then the move to in-db circ; much faster, but maybe room for improvement still
16:36 kmlussier Patron Exceeds Fines is the only event in EVENT_MSG_MAP? Am I reading that right?
16:36 phasefx of course, if we could get rid of all the flexibility, we could make it very efficient :D
16:37 phasefx kmlussier: yeap
16:38 phasefx looks like it'll eventually just return the raw fail_part or event textcode
16:38 mmorgan Where is EVENT_MSG_MAP?
16:38 phasefx so, if PATRON_EXCEEDS_FINE wasn't listed there, you'd actually see "PATRON_EXCEEDS_FINES"
16:38 kmlussier phasefx: That's what I was thinking. But it should be easy enough for one of us to test.
16:39 kmlussier You can see it in the hold_error_messages.tt2 file. I'm looking at it here: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen​.git;a=blob;f=Open-ILS/src/templates/opac​/parts/hold_error_messages.tt2;h=50a0ebff​941e408770ce5b9f970ca61d6266563f;hb=HEAD
16:39 phasefx would probably be an improvement to show the event's native description rather than the textcode at that point
16:39 mmorgan Oh, ok, it's in the .tt2 file. Duh.
16:40 phasefx place_hold_result.tt2 is where hold_error_messages.tt2 actually gets used
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09:17 phasefx jeff: I don't recall ever seeing that ejabberd error; but I've been out sick for more than a week
09:18 RoganH_ phasefx: you have my empathy, I've been out sick too
09:18 phasefx RoganH_: hello friend plague zombie
09:19 jeff phasefx: similar but not identical test failure back in April, http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live​/archive/2014-04/2014-04-26_16:00:02/
09:19 jeff phasefx: and welcome back!
09:21 phasefx jeff: thanks :) if you ever need to, you can jump from the buildbot testing server by sudoing to 'live' and then ssh esi@192.168.25.129
09:21 phasefx from testing server to qa server, that is
09:21 jeff phasefx: thanks. made a note of it.
09:22 phasefx I see some Failed legacy authentication in the ejabberd log
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10:26 pinesol_green csharp: The answer is certainly yes.
10:27 csharp pinesol_green++
10:27 * csharp will take it home to chew on it - it's possible the policy won't even be adopted
10:31 eeevil RoganH: head's up, there's a 2.5-ish version of https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/925776 if you want to test
10:31 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 925776 in Evergreen "located URIs appear in staff client OPAC searches regardless of $9's" (affected: 8, heat: 46) [Medium,Confirmed]
10:31 RoganH yboston: I blame you for ending up reading OCLC docs again.  Ug.
10:32 RoganH eeevil: I already put it on our test server, I'm waiting on feedback from users now.
10:32 RoganH eeevil: and thank you!
10:32 eeevil RoganH: cool! any initial up/down?
10:32 dbs RoganH / yboston / dbwells : I pointed to this a week or two ago: https://www.mail-archive.com/code4​lib@listserv.nd.edu/msg23252.html
10:33 RoganH eeevil: not yet but I'll let you know.  I'll probably get tired of waiting by this afternoon and test it myself.
10:33 RoganH dbs: I just sent another email about it.  I think there is a route for us but of course it's OCLC so it's going around your elbow to your knee to get there.
10:35 RoganH dbs: I'm glad for Roy's sentiment but it comes down to your legal level of ease.  Me, I say do it, I'm comfortable with it.  But I feel I'm being dishonest if I said "there's no way someone couldn't raise a legal stink about it" - not that I think OCLC would, just that they could.
10:37 dbs RoganH: Oh, I agree with you. That and/or the contributor of a given record to OCLC could (_highly theoretically_) raise a stink.
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12:32 Bmagic mmorgan: PATRON_EXCEEDS_HOLD_LIMIT.overrid permission doesnt exist in my database, do you have that in your database ?
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12:42 vlewis I'm working on Launchpad bug 914800. For testing, how do I set a patron's status to 'in collections' from the Staff Client and in which table is it recorded in the database? Thanks.
12:42 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 914800 in Evergreen "Attempting to merge user in collections provides an unfriendly error message" (affected: 3, heat: 18) [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/914800
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13:49 mrpeters anyone ever tried using fingerprinter to dedupe a set of authority records (in marcxml) against themselves?  I've got a batch of about 30K that seem to be running into unique constraint collisions on "  ERROR:  duplicate key value violates unique constraint "unique_by_heading_and_thesaurus"
13:50 mrpeters thought maybe i might be able to knock out some of these with fingerprinter, but i dont know that it was designed with authority MARC in mind or not...
13:51 Bmagic I am trying to make a log entry by editing some Evergreen code. I am editing Holds.pm and adding the line $logger->warn("testing"); directly after the subroutine definition: sub create_hold {    After restarting opensrf, that change should be live right? Why doesnt my log entry show up in /openils/var/log/ ?
13:52 Bmagic mrpeters: Are you attempting to dedupe your database using your database and turning it back onto itself?
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13:57 Dyrcona Bmagic: Either your line didn't get called when you thought it should or your loglevel isn't logging warnings in osrfsys.log.
15:01 Bmagic ok, I will move it around more
15:01 Dyrcona It has been a while since I looked put there are multiple pathways through the holds code.
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15:10 tsbere Bmagic: Holds have a "test" phase and a "create" phase - The latter doesn't tend to happen unless the former says it is ok to place the hold.
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15:14 Bmagic tsbere: I am making some headway now, I finally got it to put something in the logs and the corrisponding function that made it happen was test_and_create_hold_batch
15:20 krvmga in our system (cwmars, eg2.4), if a patron tries to renew an item in their account and gets denied because of late fees, there is a link on the page that says they can override this (and, of course, they can't). i must have done something wrong if this is appearing in the patron's account but i don't know what.
15:43 krvmga eeevil: i double checked. the exact wording is "You have permission to override some of the failed holds. Click Submit to override and place your hold on the selected items." This appears, though, for an attempted hold placement on one item.
15:44 kmlussier krvmga: Is this for holds or renewals?
15:44 mmorgan There is a launchpad bug for the holds message: lp 1194860
15:44 krvmga kmlussier: i just tested for holds. it was reported to me for a renewal. i'll double check it.
15:44 pinesol_green mmorgan: Error: Could not gather data from Launchpad for bug #1194860 (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1194860). The error has been logged
15:45 jeff @isitdown launchpad.net
15:45 pinesol_green jeff: Try restarting apache.
17:05 Pigimi ok, I see.
17:07 Pigimi Can you tell me some details about the /usr/bin/apxs2 file, what it does for apache, and what should be its content?
17:07 dbwells frank_____: changed file is here: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Ever​green.git;a=blob_plain;f=Open-ILS/src/sql/Pg​/version-upgrade/2.5.3-2.6.0-upgrade-db.sql;​h=3814b720c50111cc7ebef6eb4bc09c88f79cc0ae;h​b=ddfc59f4cae6813b05638d67bd567d851b8019b5
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17:09 dbwells frank_____: file is in branch user/dbwells/rel_2_6_0_upgrade_test on working  -  http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=workin​g/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/head​s/user/dbwells/rel_2_6_0_upgrade_test
17:12 frank_____ ok dbwells I started to run it
17:14 frank_____ it finished, I didn´t get the same error. I just get some NOTICES

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02:38 jane_1 anyone here online again?
02:39 jane_1 I have error regarding in client when they enter the hostname "10.0.0.119", they get the status message "There was an error testing this hostname." It happens on every computer in their facility. I check the cables and DNS but they are working fine.. please help
02:40 jane_1 I've tried to login and make a request add in srfsh and it work's fine....
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04:17 bshum jane_1: if you click the add exception button, the next dialog might display the reason why it doesn't want to connect (my guess is mismatched or self-signed SSL certificate)
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16:51 mmorgan If you pay a bill, bringing the patron below the threshold, that will recalculate.
16:51 Dyrcona Yeah, that too.
16:51 Dyrcona I think you have to add or remove/pay a bill, though.
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16:52 Dyrcona I don't think anything else causes the penalties to recalculate, unless there is a magical option that I'm over looking.
16:52 Bmagic Drycona: mmorgan: I am having a heck of a time getting that penality applied. I can apply it manually and it blocks the holds like I would expect. I also have PATRON_EXCEEDS_FINES setup under all of the same circumstances and that one gets applied. I dont get it
16:52 mmorgan I have removed the penalty from the Messages area of the patron record, and reloaded the patron and the penalty is reapplied.

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05:11 jane_1 HHello....need help... regarding in OPAC internal error 500
05:12 jane_1 Internal Server Error  The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.  Please contact the server administrator, [no address given] and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.  More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu) Server at 10.0.0.120 Port 80
13:52 jl- maybe I'll get away with upping the ram and cores for now
13:53 Dyrcona We have approximately 1 million bibs, and we have 6GB and 6 cores configured on our training VM.
13:54 jl- how does it run?
13:54 Dyrcona We also have a separate database server for our training, test, and a development database, so we don't run postgres on the training vm.
13:54 Dyrcona slower than production, but generally acceptable for the use that it gets.
13:55 jl- is there a multi server tutorial? the official one is for all-in-one
13:55 Dyrcona In production, you ideally want a database server with more than enough RAM to load your whole database at once.
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12:49 jane_ oh boy., anyway thanks for a help....
13:23 dbs jane_: you probably need to be more specific with your question. What do you want to edit?
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09:42 berick dbs: as a thanks for hotkeys, which works great, here's a picture of 22 staff web unit tests completing successfully: http://bill-dev2.esilibrary.com/~berick/karma.png
09:42 berick need to figure out how to make it log the name of each test..
09:43 dbs berick++ # the rest of the stack you're putting together fits with all of the best practices I've seen
09:44 * dbs was just signing in to karma-increment berick
09:44 dbs staff web unit tests are a huge bonus!
09:45 csharp berick++\
09:45 csharp berick++
09:50 berick may be excessive, but kinda cool http://bill-dev2.esilibrary.com/~berick/karma2.png
17:13 hbrennan Ah thanks
17:13 kmlussier mmorgan++ :)
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12:22 csharp jeff: also (I've been meaning to follow up on this myself), you mentioned you have an interface that staff can log into and upload images, right?  is that code available?
12:23 krvmga has anyone (or group of someones) gotten any study together to look at the online catalog *strictly* from a patron point of view?
12:24 krvmga (by *strictly*, i mean disregarding whatever we think the patron wants/needs and just compiling data from patrons)
12:25 csharp krvmga: you mean like actual usability testing, or something else?
12:25 krvmga csharp: both usability and desire/wishlist
12:26 csharp we haven't done anything formal on the first point, but we get a "wishlist" of sorts in our PINES annual survey feedback
12:27 krvmga it seems i'm constantly running into things from the patrons that they wish they had: context sensitive help, information about holds - when the hold is place - about how the hold will be filled
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15:45 graced kmlussier: eeevil might know the answer to that since Equinox hosts that
15:46 kmlussier graced: Thanks! I don't think I need to know now that I figured out my problem.
15:46 jeff kmlussier: from the perspective of "more community demo/test servers in the near future", can I ask for details on why you ask, and what answer you're hoping for? :-)
15:46 kmlussier But if eeevil answers, I'll add it to the wiki page.
15:47 kmlussier jeff: I was testing something there because I was worried local tpac customizations were skewing my results. I then wanted to point to the record I was testing as an example of the bug.
15:48 kmlussier I guess I was just hoping the example would be there for a couple of days before it was wiped out.
15:49 kmlussier I should say I wanted to point to it as an example of what I thought was a bug. Alas, it turned out to be user error. :(
15:50 csharp @dessert search velvet
15:50 pinesol_green csharp: No matching desserts were found.
15:50 csharp @dessert add Red Velvet Cake
16:41 krvmga jeff: i checked if dojo was loaded with the method you suggested. i got the dojo version.
16:41 jeff ah.
16:42 jeff what is the URL of your advanced search page where you're seeing that error?
16:42 krvmga yes, it did sound exactly like that bug, though.
16:42 krvmga i'm afraid i can't show it to you. it's our training/test server and not open to the world.
16:43 jeff ah.
16:43 krvmga :(
16:43 kmlussier tsbere: You had mentioned today that you were getting an error when tpac was trying to load consortium-owned copy locations? Is it similar to the one krvmga just posted?
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17:03 krvmga yes, i think i'm going to have to come back to this tomorrow and approach it from the other side.
17:04 krvmga jeff: thanks for your help, though
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17:44 pinesol_green [evergreen|Yamil Suarez] Documentation: add a 'where' clause to bib record import stored procedure - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c04958b>
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