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csharp |
@later tell jeff you mentioned sometime in the last couple of weeks that you have an interface for catalogers to upload custom record images... is that something you developed custom? is it share-able? |
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dbwells |
grabbing 0862 |
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mmorgan |
Is there any way to NOT have all privileges suspended when a patron record is expired? |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Dan Wells] Duplicate 0851 as 0862 for backport clarity - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=bc33a3e> |
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* Dyrcona |
should write a book: "The Joy of Vendors" |
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Dyrcona |
mmorgan: Don't think so. That's kind of what expired means. |
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mmorgan |
Thought as much, but seems harsh. For our public patrons, expired means check their info and extend their expiration date. |
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jeff |
mmorgan: there are staff client features that will warn staff if a patron is going to expire in the next X days. in theory you could set that to 30 days, then have a process that auto-extends the date of any active-but-soon-to-expire patrons so that they never actually "expire" |
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jeff |
defining "active" could get a little difficult, but there are activity logs and such that can help with that also. |
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eeevil |
Dyrcona: but from which side of the fence would you write the book? (I'd like to see "both" ... :) ) |
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Dyrcona |
eeevil: I wasn't think of ESI when I said that. I was thinking more of the "third party" vendors that I get to deal with on behalf of my members. :) |
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eeevil |
Dyrcona: heh .. I was actually thinking of both sigio (sic?) and esi ;) |
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Dyrcona |
heh. |
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Dyrcona |
Yeah, there's not much joy in Mudville at the moment, at least for Sigio. ;) |
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eeevil |
and yeah, I deal with third-party vendors on s/members/customers/ behalf as well, to the same (smh) end |
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eeevil |
FUN TIMES |
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Dyrcona |
Yeah, I've gotten very good at running 'round in circles and not getting dizzy. |
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eeevil |
"thanks for that <airquotes>edi</>, [REDACTED]" |
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mmorgan |
jeff: Thanks. We're looking at the patron expiration alert, and an action trigger notification. |
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mmorgan |
By "process to extend ..." do you mean like a script run by cron? |
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eeevil |
mmorgan: that or an a/t reactor |
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mmorgan |
but no a/t reactor yet exists for that, true? |
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eeevil |
mmorgan: that's correct |
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* eeevil |
pines for stacked reactors... |
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phasefx |
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hbrennan |
11 months after joining Evergreen, we succeeded in our first upgrade yesterday! Actually SIXTEEN upgrades to get us from 2.3.4 to 2.5.2 - hooray! Big thanks to equinox++ for continuing to answer their phones into the evening! |
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graced |
hbrennan++ |
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graced |
And Equinox would answer the phones at 3am for you. :-) |
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hbrennan |
You scared us once, by letting us get to the point of having to leave a message. :) But that's a-okay with us. Couldn't have done it without you! |
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graced |
hbrennan: don't worry we always call back when it goes to voice mail! Congrats on stretching your wings to try an upgrade. |
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csharp |
hbrennan++ |
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bshum |
hbrennan++ equinox++ |
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bshum |
parts-- |
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phasefx |
internet-- :) |
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eeevil |
quassel_core_on_a_stable_host++ |
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dbwells |
eeevil: I just got back from a meeting, but need to leave again soon. What's up? |
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bshum |
@love quassel |
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eeevil |
dbwells: I'm not sure I agree with the left-join part of your patch. if a record doesn't have an attrs entry, I think it should just fail utterly ... that "active" part, though, is perfect (and invalidates another bug, actually) |
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dbwells: would a conditional ingest trigger work for you? say, WHERE id > 0 |
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eeevil |
that would protect against id=-1, at least |
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phasefx2 |
yay, I remembered my quassel password :) |
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eeevil |
dbwells: however, even discounting the left join itself, I don't think we should include ts_map entries when the mravl.id is null ... |
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eeevil |
netsplit... again |
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build #506 of evergreen-master-fedora-18 is complete: Failure [failed test] Build details are at http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/buildbot/builders/evergreen-master-fedora-18/builds/506 blamelist: Jason Boyer <JBoyer1library.in.gov>, Lebbeous Fogle-Weekley <lebbeousesilibrary.com>, Dan Wells <dbw2calvin.edu> |
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jeffdavis |
I don't see any rel_2_6 branches in the git repo. Will there be separate branches for 2.6 alpha1, beta1 etc, or are the pre-2.6.0 releases being designated in some other way? |
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dbwells: ^ maybe I should direct that at you. |
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* dbs |
wishes we were tagging using "git tag" |
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Dyrcona |
@later tell tsbere I had several conflicts merging mvlc/ttopac into master tonight. More than I feel like dealing with at the moment. You should have a look at it tomorrow. |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. |
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eeevil |
jeffdavis: we create tag branches at .0 release time normally. sometimes for RC |
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sseng |
Question: I am certain "barcodes" are unique in the system, as they identify copies in a library. There shouldn't be any duplicate barcodes in the asset.copy table, right? |
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Dyrcona |
sseng: Deleted copies can have the same barcode as a not deleted copy. |
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Dyrcona |
That situation is always fun. |
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eeevil |
sseng: yes, and there's a unique constraint to ensure that (for non-deleted copies). check serial.unit, a child table of asset.copy, if you're seeing dupes where deleted = false |
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Dyrcona |
I always forget about serial.uint, 'cause we do do serials. |
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Dyrcona |
heh. |
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Dyrcona |
don't do. |
| 19:04 |
Dyrcona |
<beavis> heh. heh. eh. He said, "do do."</beavis> |
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sseng |
eeevil: Dyrcona: sorry, just to confirm again. There can be duplicate barcodes in the asset.copy table? That is to say, as long as their "deleted" status is different? |
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Dyrcona |
yes. that is correct. |
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Dyrcona |
And, its fun when staff delete a lost copy and "reuse" the barcode, and then complain two patrons have the same book out. :) |
| 19:06 |
Dyrcona |
I would like to make the constraint that prevents duplicate barcodes work on all copies, but got vetoed. |
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sseng |
Dyrcona: alright, that makes sense. And, this barcode can refer to completely different bre (titles)? |
| 19:07 |
sseng |
Dyrcona: oh I see. reuse of barcodes...O.O |
| 19:07 |
Dyrcona |
yes. there is no reason for them to be related in any way. |
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sseng |
Dyrcona: do you know how this affect hold counts? that is to say, how it would affect hold count of type copy |
| 19:08 |
Dyrcona |
sseng: It won't. Holds are by copy id, not barcode, and copy id is unique. |
| 19:09 |
Dyrcona |
Unless you have a reports that assumes barcode is unique and does not exclude deleted copies. |
| 19:09 |
sseng |
Dyrcona: Alright. still wrapping the mind around how hold counts works and how bre (s) and call numbers and copies goes together |
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Dyrcona |
bre.id => acn.record ; acn.id => acp.call_number |
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sseng |
Dyrcona: yep. Going to run some sample queries to get a better understanding of that relationship. Again, thanks a bunch for your explanation! |
| 19:16 |
Dyrcona |
eeevil: I wonder if I should not try adding voided, voider, and void_time to money.billing as virtual fields, where voided depends on the existence of the void_payment, and the other two fields also come from the void_payment? |
| 19:16 |
Dyrcona |
I should say, add them back as virtual fields.... |
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sseng |
Actually, could the hold count be off? For example, since it is by copy id, and the hold count only cares about fulfillment_time and cancel_time being null, and if a copy's status change to deleted, the hold count would still consider the hold on the copy as active and count it? |
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Dyrcona |
sseng: It might. I'd have to look at the code for that. I haven't spent a lot of time working with holds. |
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sseng |
Dyrcona: ok, going to test out this situation. thanks! |
| 19:23 |
Dyrcona |
np |
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Dyrcona |
Hmm... Now, I wonder if I can add all those fields as virtual fields. |
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Dyrcona |
Crazy. |
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Dyrcona |
(Maybe it is me.) |
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Dyrcona |
I swear, when I added the virtual field just for the void_payment the other night, it was only fleshing the id from the void_payment. |
| 19:49 |
Dyrcona |
Now, if I flesh retrieve the void_payment, I get a fleshed object. |
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Dyrcona |
If I flesh the void_time that I added as a map to mvp.payment_ts, I get just the timestamp. |
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Dyrcona |
If I flesh voider that I added as a map to mvp.accepting_usr, I get the actor.usr object. |
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Dyrcona |
I learned something new tonight. ;) |
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Dyrcona |
eeevil++ # Again, for the explanation and help the other night. I think I do get it, now. |
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eeevil |
sseng: if you delete a copy through the staff client it will be removed from all holds. if you touch the database directly it wont be removed until the next retargetting run for the holds it could fill |
| 20:18 |
eeevil |
and IIRC you have some (superseded) custom caching code in that area. that custom code may not be able to cope with either situation |
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eeevil |
Dyrcona: cool. glad its doing what you need |
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sseng |
eeevil: ah ok. that too makes sense. going to call it a day and investigate more. thanks! |
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Dyrcona |
Heh. Well it is mostly, but I just discovered that I need to install Business::Stripe. |
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* Dyrcona |
shoulda read the release notes. :) |
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eeevil |
heh... is it in the prereq installer now? |
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Dyrcona |
I'll check. I built over my existing installation, and I don't run the prereq installer in that case. |
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bshum |
It's there in the main makefile.install's for various distro's |
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* bshum |
hopes it's not one of those things that you need on the DB standalone... |
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jeff |
no. |
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Dyrcona |
bshum++ |
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Dyrcona |
He beat me to it. |
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jeff |
i don't believe that it would be. |
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bshum |
Then I think we're probably okay. |
| 20:28 |
bshum |
Then I think we're probably okay. |
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bshum |
Whoa, weird |
| 20:33 |
bshum |
The new chrome browser update renders the dropdown selectors for TPAC differently now. I think. I'm not sure I like it, stupid Chrome.... |
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Dyrcona |
Oh, that's nice. |
| 20:40 |
Dyrcona |
I apparently have billings that reference non-existent money.billable_xacts. |
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jeff |
oh, i have lots of those. |
| 20:41 |
jeff |
but i know why. |
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bshum |
Oooh, why? :) |
| 20:42 |
jeff |
they're one of the things i have on my little list of "things to check for in an evergreen database"... egfsck or eglint or something |
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bshum |
Well that's annoying.... I finally figured out why people trying to search by publisher never get anywhere with our z3950 |
| 20:44 |
bshum |
It was pointed at "eg.publisher" but there isn't an entry for that in our config.metabib_search_alias table. |
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* bshum |
wonders how that all hangs together... off to dig at it! |
| 20:46 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: You haven't told us why. Aged circulations? |
| 20:50 |
Dyrcona |
Well, now that I have voided bills that still have transactions hanging about, I am reasonably confident that my IDL and backend changes are working. |
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Dyrcona |
Think I'll push these changes onto my working branch. |
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bshum |
Doh |
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bshum |
More hate on LP 1275074, phasefx? :( bshum-- |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1275074 in Evergreen 2.5 ""Auto-Print" checkbox next to "Done" on the "Checkout" tab does not remember checked state between patron retrieval" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1275074 |
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phasefx |
no hate, stuff happens |
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dbs |
bshum: huh. how are the dropdowns redenering differently now? i use chrome-beta so the switch probably happened for me a while ago |
| 21:34 |
bshum |
dbs: I think it's just a darker color than I remember. More box-like. |
| 21:35 |
bshum |
Course now that I look on Chrome on Windows, it also looks different there. |
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bshum |
White background |
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* bshum |
dislikes the variations already |
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dbs |
heh |
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dbs |
most people will use one browser for everything, and it'll be consistent for them across all websites |
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Dyrcona |
Good night, #evergreen! ;) |
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