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Results for 2022-10-11

15:20	gmcharlt	for obvious reasons, I'm kinda hoping that it does turn into "let's try Angular 14 for the back branches"
15:20	gmcharlt	er, does not
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15:21	sandbergja	I could throw together a branch with npm audit --fix, but it would be nice to have some help testing the results
15:22	gmcharlt	happy to help (and I am actually pretty concerned about the potential for breakage)
15:22	berick	sandbergja: is your focus at the moment just on angjs?
15:23	gmcharlt	but I may be unduly distrustful of the state of backwards compatibiliy in the NPM ecosystem
15:24	sandbergja	I definitely share the concerns about regressions...
15:24	Dyrcona	I've run npm update in the past without ill effects, but not sure if that does what's needed. I've also not done it in a while.
15:24	gmcharlt	sandbergja: certain a gold star to any of use who figures out that we can _remove_ dependencies during the process :)
15:24	sandbergja	If you'll allow me a soapbox for a minute, it sure would be nice if we had more test coverage, so we could just run any automated dependabot PRs against the test suite and get a quick yes/no
15:25	sandbergja	about whether it introduces regressions
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15:27	JBoyer	sandbergja++ gmcharlt++
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16:13	* Dyrcona	is considering taking over SpamAssassing on FreeBSD. It's currently looking for a maintainer.
16:13	Dyrcona	It's late in the day, and my typing skills are on the fritz....
16:15	Dyrcona	Autotools doesn't really cover installing HTML files for a website, beyond maybe using localstatedir. I s'pose inventing a new option is not out of the question, but....
16:15	mrtnnbr	anyway, it looks like there's some interest/curiosity here, so how about I finish configuring my test system and put it online for review. I'll send a a link to -dev
16:17	Dyrcona	OK. I'd like git branches, too. :)
16:28	mrtnnbr	Dyrcona: A quick survey of existing ports shows somewhat even usage of --htmldir, --datadir, and --datarootdir. one of the latter two might be reasonable.
16:30	Dyrcona	Yeah. We have an option to not install the web files, but not one for where.

Results for 2022-10-07

10:51	Dyrcona	Hey. That reliable Pinebook/Manjaro ARM system freeze after a kernel update strikes again. I thought I might've avoided it by rebooting again after installing updates, but no.
11:20	Bmagic	bummer
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11:35	Dyrcona	gmcharlt: I think I just figured out another way to do that thing I was testing with the gitadmin emails yesterday, but it will still flag my own messages as spam. :)
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Results for 2022-10-05

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12:08	mantis1	Testing the cover image uploader in 3.9. I'm getting error messages whenever I upload via Brave/Chromium or Firefox. A link produces in console, but when opening nothing happens. Also after restarting Firefox, the image will show up.
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12:11	rhamby	there is a follow up patch for that I believe
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Results for 2022-10-04

11:11	csharp_	the templates themselves are just text - by default it's plain text, but there are ways to use the header to send HTML (not done that myself, but it should be possible)
11:21	javier_guel	I mean marks, we are on México and we want to use for example the word: Título
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11:26	collum	I just copied and pasted á to the end of the text for our test email trigger, and it worked. The email I received had the diacritic. But I had to paste it into the template. Keyboard shortcuts didn't work.
11:39	javier_guel	we already tried that, but we are receiving emails with words like this TÃtulo instead of Título, Is there any other place to check coding?
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11:44	JBoyer	It’s possible that how you initially type them may matter. Some extended ASCII characters may not correctly survive the trip to UTF-8 even if they look right on your screen. I’m not sure if Charmap can help with things like Unicode combining characters and the like.

Results for 2022-10-03

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13:45	mantis1	Doing some 3.9 testing. Can anyone explain the Org selector now supports entry styling a bit further than what's in the release notes?
13:45	mantis1	"The Org Selector now supports the ability to pass in an object composed of an array of Org Unit IDs and a function returning a CSS key value pair."
13:49	jeff	more information may be in bug 1739277
13:49	pinesol	Launchpad bug 1739277 in Evergreen 3.8 "web client: holdings view owning libraries not marked in drop down menu" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1739277
13:50	jeff	commit d51454b and commit 625c862 have an example and the first (only?) implementation
13:55	jeff	and i guess in actuality, the function just returns a string that's interpreted as a css class name.
13:56	jeff	so, the "CSS key value pair" in the release notes seems off, or I'm looking at the wrong feature/code. :-)
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14:11	tlittle	I updated my test server now that the Acq purchase order work is in master, and when opening PO's I get this console error: "open-ils.acq.lineitem.retrieve.batch failed! stat=404 msg=Method [open-ils.acq.lineitem.retrieve.batch] not found for OpenILS::Application::Acq". I can see that API/method is in Lineitem.pm, so why would it be telling me it
14:11	tlittle	can't see it? I don't know if this is just something I've done incorrectly or if there's something actually missing. I never saw this message on the EOLI test server, so idk what's up
14:14	Dyrcona	tlittle: You did a "make install"?
14:17	tlittle	Yes, I think so. I have a script that csharp_made for Terran and I so that probably obfuscates troubleshooting a bit, but it looks like that's what it did
14:18	Dyrcona	Did the script or you stop and restart services?

Results for 2022-09-30

14:47	Dyrcona	I don't recall what my first album on CD was, but I definitely got Dark Side of the Moon before The Wall.
14:49	csharp_	Dark Side of the Moon followed quickly
14:54	Dyrcona	Matter of fact, it's all dark....
14:55	Dyrcona	I should probably have edited a commit message, too. I could have fixed a typo and/or removed the paragraph about tests failing... I should maybe look at that qatester bug that I removed myself from, but I though JBoyer was going to have a look.
14:56	* Dyrcona	has some things on Lp that he should get in digital format.
14:56	Dyrcona	Hah... Lp Lauchpad. LP long playing disc. :)
14:56	JBoyer	Well, that bug depends on the state of the "remove Stretch" bug; 2/3 of the changes are Stretch-only
15:34	Dyrcona	I think they finally found Part I.
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15:53	Stompro	Ah Shoot, missed feedback fest... I need to put them on my calendar.
15:53	terranm	There are still plenty of things loaded that can be tested :D
15:55	Stompro	terranm, I'm checking out the list now.
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16:41	JBoyer	I spoke too soon about figuring out that SSO BPAC integration. My initial plan was a bust, but I

Results for 2022-09-28

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08:40	mmorgan	Bmagic: Sorry, had to run yesterday. My colleague was trying to test bug 1940105, and needed to add a shelving location when associating an item with a course. We'll try testing on a local server.
08:40	pinesol	Launchpad bug 1940105 in Evergreen 3.8 "Course archiving and deleting functions should use open-ils.courses.detach_material" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1940105
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Results for 2022-09-27

17:01	Bmagic	mmorgan: I don't show that I merged that one on my server
17:01	Bmagic	Is it on the spreadsheet that I did?
17:02	Bmagic	oh, it's on master, bugsquash's base was 3.9
17:03	Bmagic	does that mess up the testing?
17:03	mmorgan	Bmagic: It's in master. https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=fc0ce105a7baeee24fc0106396b5cedefff48b7a
17:11	* mmorgan	needs to run. G'night #evergreen!
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Results for 2022-09-26

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09:00	terranm	Good morning Feedback Festers, the list of test servers that are up and running is at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r0RyFB_Sj1RHdVacylCNBt-YS3S7VlXguWYWMqk40so/edit#gid=0
09:01	terranm	The 3.10 Release Team would like to encourage developers to take a look at the LP tickets with the bootstrapblocker and staffcatalog blocker tags so that we can get closer to deprecating the old OPAC and embedded staff catalog.
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09:24	mmorgan	terranm++
09:40	pinesol	News from commits: LP#1939730 - Use original call number owning_lib when reverting items <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae074bb92d1c448d3bd6d444256783a73fd7b630>

Results for 2022-09-23

11:22	* csharp_	weeps a single tear thinking about placing third in the fourth grade spelling bee
11:23	Dyrcona	Well, that's interesting: -bash vi: command not found # Tramp mode to the rescue!
11:24	Dyrcona	csharp_++
11:32	jeff	csharp_: oh, I didn't actually notice your typo... but now that you pointed it out, that's probably why my brain went where it did.
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11:56	jeff	Drat. It was not the template.
11:57	jeff	test prints with this printer print okay. multiple templates have "extra space" at the bottom.
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13:45	jeff	Ah. It was both!
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19:37	jeffdavis	the unapi.bre db function has suddenly become very slow, but only for one specific bib record (AFAIK) - it takes ~30s for the bad record, but <1s for others that I've tried
19:38	jeffdavis	can't find anything weird about the bad record, and the sudden slowness wasn't triggered by edits to it or holdings changes or anything AFAICT
21:03	jeff	do you have data that suggests that this particular record was taking less time before now?
21:09	jeff	and it sounds like you've narrowed it down to the db function call itself? are you calling it directly from psql as a test?

Results for 2022-09-19

16:01	jeffdavis	nginx error log says "upstream prematurely closed connection while reading response header from upstream"
16:19	jeffdavis	apache error log says "AH00051: child pid 2699619 exit signal Segmentation fault (11), possible coredump in /etc/apache2"
16:20	Dyrcona	Time to get cozy with gdb.... :)
16:30	jeffdavis	Hope it doesn't come to that. I've seen similar errors testing Shibboleth in the past (the 502 at least, not sure about the segfault), fingers crossed that there are simply even more issues with Ubuntu's out-of-the-box shib config than there were last time.
16:34	Dyrcona	Ubuntu 20.04?
16:34	Dyrcona	Or 22.04?
16:35	Dyrcona	I ask because of the 7-digit PID.

Results for 2022-09-15

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10:14	Dyrcona	Anyone ever passed an array to a psql query using placeholders?
10:17	Dyrcona	Well, I just did, and looks like the "obvious" thing works: psql -U evergreen -h localhost -p 35433 -f lookup2.sql -v expire=2020-09-01 -v orgs="{45,51}"
10:19	csharp_	miker: the Shibboleth development came after OA stuff was in place here, so we never tested it against it
10:32	jmurray-isl	practice.evergreen.lib.in.us
10:33	jmurray-isl	Oops. Wrong window.
10:39	JBoyer	Dyrcona, I'd expect that to work, depending on how the variable is referenced in the sql (:var vs :'var' or :"var", I don't recall which you need for arrays. :) )

Results for 2022-09-13

15:03	JBoyer	#topic Action Items from Last Meeting
15:03	JBoyer	#info Dyrcona will take a look at LP 1979357
15:03	pinesol	Launchpad bug 1979357 in Evergreen "fixes for qatester failures" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1979357 - Assigned to Jason Stephenson (jstephenson)
15:03	JBoyer	I should probably have signed off on that already, I've already tested and verified most of it anyway.
15:04	jeffdavis	just as long as some Jason looks at it
15:04	Dyrcona	I have not had time to really look at it, so maybe I should remove myself from the bug?
15:04	JBoyer	Dyrcona, do you have time to investigate or should I grab that one
15:22	gmcharlt	the two biggest pieces I'm aware that are pending are the Angular patron/circ app and the Angular acquisitions blob
15:22	gmcharlt	(yes, that's right, Acquisitions Blob is the new official title)
15:22	mmorgan	:)
15:23	gmcharlt	I'm curious (terranm? berick?) how testing of the patron/circ app is going
15:23	terranm	There were a lot of small issues found during BSW that were tracked on a big ole spreadsheet. I'm not sure if any of those have been addressed yet.
15:23	gmcharlt	(and where I'm leading up to is the question about whether Angular patron/circ is a 3.10 thing, 3.10 "experimental" thing, or a 3.11 thing)
15:24	gmcharlt	(I'm partial, but I'm feeling generally pretty comfortable about Angular Acq Blob being suitable for 3.10)
15:26	gmcharlt	sandbergja: yeah, I recall there was a discussion a few meetings back
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15:27	gmcharlt	FWIW, I'm in the camp that some sort of overlap period is going to be a necessary evil, but I have significant concerns if such a period is allowed to go on too long
15:29	mrussell	I think it would be best if we had an overlap period so that people can test functionality/ workflow and give feedback on what features work best
15:29	JBoyer	I wonder how many of us are reading the last meeting's notes... :D
15:30	gmcharlt	so to spin a tale: maor testing in 3.10, possibly a non-default alt mode available in 3.10 (although I think I remember from berick that he doesn't think it would be easy to do that/)
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15:30	gmcharlt	3.11 - fully relased; new interface is default but can switch back as needed
15:30	gmcharlt	3.12 - new interface only, the old one is actively removed
15:31	gmcharlt	(and I acknowledge that that is probably an aggressive timeline)
15:31	terranm	I seem to recall him saying that the code could be in there so that certain new elements could be available to other interfaces without the new patron interfaces being visible
15:31	Bmagic	That sounds pretty good to me
15:31	JBoyer	The first step proposed last time was non-ui stuff first since so many components have been updated, that could be 3.10 even if the alt-mode isn't available yet

Results for 2022-09-09

12:57	* csharp_	realizes that FF = FulfILLment and not firefox :-)
12:58	csharp_	lots of raised eyebrows before that
12:59	Dyrcona	:)
13:00	stephengwills	<— sticking with Chrome today…. I’ll test it all with FFox once I understand my EGBorrow, EGLend and FFill. THUD!
13:11	Dyrcona	hmmm... WAL files sticking around since yesterday afternoon...
13:30	jvwoolf	csharp_++
13:46	Dyrcona	So, I blame pingest for the backup in WAL deletion. I still have some from yesterday c. 3:20 PM EDT hanging around, but they do seem to be disappearing slowly.

Results for 2022-09-08

11:42	csharp_	oof
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12:29	mantis2	is there a link for a 3.9 self-check interface on any of the community test servers or should make an account and access it through there?
12:31	berick	mantis2: https://demo.evergreencatalog.com/eg/circ/selfcheck/main
12:31	mantis2	berick++
12:31	berick	https://demo.evergreencatalog.com/eg2/en-US/staff/about -- says it's 3.9

Results for 2022-09-02

13:23	kmlussier	I need to head out, but thanks everyone for listening to me vent. If I have time this weekend, maybe I'll do the legwork of going through the Wayback machine in the hopes that somebody with power can address this.
13:23	kmlussier	Have a good weekend!
13:24	Bmagic	you too!
14:12	JBoyer	Dyrcona, an FYI for you since I know we're both interested, I was testing NCIPServer on Buster and Bullseye and things seem fine without the patch from lp 1732485 . Have you tested things on Ubuntu 20.04+
14:12	JBoyer	?
14:12	pinesol	Launchpad bug 1732485 in NCIPServer "Crash with mime type application/xml on recent distros" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732485
14:14	JBoyer	(granted, I'm mostly throwing LookupUser requests at it with curl, but things work with and without the Content-Type: application/xml header.
14:15	Dyrcona	JBoyer: I don't think I have tested NCIP on Ubuntu 20.04+. I know that I have not tested it on Ubuntu 22.04.
14:16	JBoyer	Possibly good news then, though i guess if you're not going to be managing the hosting it's not such a big deal locally. :)
14:19	Dyrcona	Well, I should try it anyway.
14:21	Dyrcona	Not today, though...
14:21	JBoyer	Dyrcona++
14:22	JBoyer	And yeah, just wanted to make sure you knew it was worth checking out whenever there's free time.
14:24	Dyrcona	JBoyer++
14:24	Dyrcona	I may have tested it on 20.04 and don't remember doing it.
14:51	Dyrcona	hmmm... Looks like we can lose a modification to the IDL. Either it was fixed or our change was unnecessary to begin with. I should try to figure out if we're using the field we added in any reports.
14:59	Dyrcona	Wudnchanoit.... 3 templates use our "junk" field.
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Results for 2022-09-01

10:27	Dyrcona	And, I always force the record encoding to UTF-8 via options.
10:28	Dyrcona	There are also no differences in how they handle the encoding option input or output.
10:28	Dyrcona	There's something weird going on with one set of records, and I'll modify my generic preprocessor to use utf8 on the output.
10:29	Dyrcona	I'll have to test if that breaks other record loads, and if so, add an exception for Kanopy.....
10:29	Dyrcona	Y'know. I may just add the exception for Kanopy anyway....
10:31	Dyrcona	It's ugly, but it's Perl.
10:34	Dyrcona	I did plan on using a shell wrapper around the generic script for the Overdrive records, but that got put on hold because of other things.

Results for 2022-08-31

14:16	jeff	Budget season approaches!
14:17	jeff	AWS has a number of ARM-based instance types.
14:18	jeff	...and GCP has some in preview / pre-GA
14:18	mixo	I tried now add workstation in windows and it was succesfull
14:19	mixo	and I have one question, thank you for help
14:19	mixo	WARNING Error parsing JSON message on STDIN org.json.JSONException: A JSONObject text must begin with '{' at 3 [character 1 line 2] :
14:20	mixo	this appears during hatch test
14:20	mixo	is this problem?
14:20	Dyrcona	jeff: I imagine that ARM would as well as x86.
14:21	Dyrcona	...would work as well as x86.
14:26	Dyrcona	mixo: I don't have any experience with Hatch. Maybe someone else knows?

Results for 2022-08-19

12:03	jeff	one log message that could help looks like this:
12:03	jeff	$logger->info("updating pickup lib for hold ".$hold->id." while on holds shelf");
12:04	jvwoolf	jeff++
12:08	jeff	I believe the "Wrong Shelf" hold status is designed to be noticed if staff are viewing the hold shelf in the staff client, especially the "show clearable holds" part. In our environment, we'd likely use a report for that, similar to how we report on cancelled holds on shelf.
12:11	jeff	I'm not sure without some more digging/testing how the hold would behave, but I think everything would stop regarding that hold and copy until the copy was checked in, at which point it would go in transit to the new pickup_lib.
12:13	jvwoolf	I think I figured out what might be going on
12:13	jvwoolf	Someone is trying to filter the pull list by pickup library, but they're changing the pickup library for the holds on the list instead
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Results for 2022-08-15

14:53	Dyrcona	@loves
14:53	pinesol	Dyrcona loves git; sed; OpenBSD; gnu/emacs; git-quickpick; tmux; and #evergreen
14:55	jeff	@hates csharp
14:55	pinesol	csharp hates dojo_hold_policies_interface; SIP; when libraries purchase third party products without testing and blame Evergreen for it not working; reports; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa; evil; reports more; reports even moar; details; reports even more; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out when applying an (2 more messages)
14:55	jeff	@more
14:55	pinesol	jeff: Aggregate Filter and vice versa even more; having to teach SIP2 client vendors about the SIP2 specification; troubleshooting reports; money reports; marc; reports even more than before; the EDI ruby bits; acquisitions; <quote>fun<unquote>; edi; sip2; sip too; sip two; acq; acq more; acq way more than before; omg I hate acq; omg I love acq; hate hate hate; comcast; action_triggers; javascript; (1 more message)
14:55	jeff	@more

Results for 2022-08-12

10:21	csharp_	holy crazznap: Execution time: 127095178.213 ms
10:22	csharp_	35.3041666667 hours (thanks to DuckDuckGo)
10:25	Dyrcona	That's what happens when you do a Cartesian product of two very large tables, provided you don't run out of memory first.
10:26	Dyrcona	Which reminds me...I've got something running on a test vm that I should check. It's probably finished by now.
10:27	Dyrcona	I used time on it: 2719m34.212s
10:33	Dyrcona	45 hours 19 minutes.
10:37	Dyrcona	PostgreSQL and kernel updates.....
10:42	Dyrcona	Pg 15 release planned "in the third quarter of 2022." I can't find anything more specific than that, though Beta 3 was just released.
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11:54	Dyrcona	Well, no errors in the test record load since I fixed the encoding in the Perl code.
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Results for 2022-08-10

10:14	berick	miker: k, yeah, i figure there's some indexes, etc. we could add. as a data point, my last attempt timed out out after 6 hours.
10:14	berick	it was barebones
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10:21	csharp_	I'm backporting it here to my 3.8 test server just to play around
10:25	miker	berick: well, barebones is ... relative, if you look at the source query. "less filters" doesn't necessarily mean "less work for PG"
10:26	berick	this one was count of circs per month in 2018
10:38	miker	I'd suggest SR might be the wrong tool for that particular report ;) ... and that's only about 1/4 snarky -- the example a trivial template to create and share in the normal reporter, and SR is meant to make Hard(tm) things (arguably some impossible things, for normal folks in the normal reporter) simple(r), not all things one-click easy AND fast. It trades internal complexity for external simplicity.
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15:31	mmorgan	FIFO question. If a library has FIFO set as best-hold selection sort order, shouldn't the item be captured for the hold with the highest priority, no matter the pickup location?
15:32	mmorgan	I'm finding that a local hold is captured when there are higher priority holds for pickup elsewhere.
15:33	mmorgan	We don't use FIFO, just testing for a particular situation.
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Results for 2022-08-09

14:34	JBoyer	Thoughts on punting until September?
14:35	mmorgan	+1 from me (since my question was answered) :)
14:36	* mmorgan	may get pulled away anyway
14:40	Dyrcona	+1 to punting until September. I may actually get to look at test setup by the next meeting.
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Results for 2022-08-05

10:16	Dyrcona	I'm going to try and solve my record issue by rewriting the prep script in Python using PyMarc and chardet to autodetect the character set of each record. I wonder what chardet will say about MARC-8 records? Maybe, it will call them ISO 2022?
10:23	Dyrcona	Maybe I can keep most of the Perl code and just throw the XML at a character set detection program?
10:30	Dyrcona	Running chardet on the input files says, "utf-8 with confidence 0.99."
10:30	* Dyrcona	sighs. Guess I'll just jam the bad records in, like my current test is doing.
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11:29	Dyrcona	I wonder if $raw =~ s/\xC2/.../g; works on UTF-8 files that might have \xC2A9 and other multibyte sequences....
11:32	Dyrcona	I suppose that I could test it.
11:53	Dyrcona	Weird, 0xC2A doesn't give me they copyright symbol. Let me try it reversed for little endian.
11:54	Dyrcona	Funny, too, how 0xC2 only prints "correctly" when other unicode sequences are in the string. Otherwise it prints as an unknown character glyph.
12:26	Dyrcona	Unicode in Perl is a pain.

Results for 2022-08-02

11:21	Dyrcona	berick foun the missing step... :)
11:21	Dyrcona	found, even..
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11:38	mmorgan	berick++
11:38	mmorgan	Thanks!
11:38	* mmorgan	now moves on to 4. profit and 5. invest wisely :)
11:45	* mmorgan	has been trying all morning to test a checkin of an item in a certain shelving location with a particular variety of item alerts.
11:46	mmorgan	It has been an adventure just setting up the scenario :-/
11:55	csharp_	has anyone developed/found any tools that would be useful in de-duping authority records?
11:56	csharp_	mmorgan: don't you wish some of the end users who are always mad that something "isn't fixed" could watch what we do sometimes? :-)
12:01	mmorgan	csharp_: Actually, I feel for them! This library is trying to use the shelving location attribute Hold capture delay and it's not working with item alerts. Evergreen just seems to "forget" that it's in the middle of a checkin.
12:03	mmorgan	Our test system is on 3.8.1 and I ran across a couple of item alert bugs that are fixed - in 3.8.2
12:04	mmorgan	rabbit-holes--
12:07	jihpringle	mmorgan: that sounds very similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1735221
12:07	pinesol	Launchpad bug 1735221 in Evergreen "webclient: items with copy alert and hold verify fail to capture for hold" [Low,Confirmed]
12:08	mmorgan	jihpringle++
12:08	mmorgan	Aha! Didn't find that and it's exactly the issue!
12:10	mmorgan	And it's not a new issue either.
12:11	jihpringle	ya, we've been running into that one since we switched to the web client
12:12	jihpringle	it's on my list to test in 3.9 and possibly in the angualr circ (if that server is still up this week)
12:14	mmorgan	Definitely still an issue in 3.8!
12:18	mmorgan	Our library is trying to use hold capture delay for hotspots, I think they need to check or reset them before they can go out again. I suggested they use the hold capture delay, not knowing there was a bug :-(
12:21	jihpringle	they could use the Suppress Holds and Transits check in modifier (not as good since staff have to remember to use it) but could work for now
12:25	mmorgan	jihpringle: Thanks, I will suggest that option. Just commented on the bug.
12:27	jihpringle	just tested it in the new angular circ and it's still an issue there
12:27	jihpringle	I'll update the bug and the circ spreadsheet
12:45	Dyrcona	I didn't look very hard, but it appears to me that hold verify is just gonna break checkin no matter what. The location having hold_verify set does a bail on events, and do checkin returns if there is a bail on events right after that check is made. However, I didn't look much farther than that and circulation code is tricky.
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13:11	* Dyrcona	wonders if it is time to have the community git discussion again. We're looking at possibly making some changes here because of things going on, and it would be useful if we could link what we're doing with the community.

Results for 2022-07-29

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09:29	abneiman	@later tell smorrison I'm sorry I missed your message about test servers, but I'm glad it was sorted - quassel is sketch for me with notifications; I'm more likely to see emial faster - abneimanequinoxOLI.org
09:29	pinesol	abneiman: The operation succeeded.
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Results for 2022-07-28

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09:29	terranm	berick: For the Angular circ/patron interface testing, do you want me to copy over all the findings onto the LP ticket, or would it be easier for you to go off of the testing spreadsheet at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PL04fcjom0l2xuum_Do-w04asn-ifAEHwuBY6yWIESQ/edit#gid=0 ?
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09:55	csharp_	berick: I was testing https://bugs.launchpad.net/opensrf/+bug/1970667 and saw a very long delay when installing ejabberd while running the OpenSRF Makefile.install - this is on a stock 22.04 machine - did you see simlar?
09:55	pinesol	Launchpad bug 1970667 in OpenSRF "Add Installation Support for Ubuntu 22.04 Jammy Jellyfish" [Undecided,New]
09:57	csharp_	Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/ejabberd.service → /lib/systemd/system/ejabberd.service.
09:57	csharp_	... <several minutes delay> ...
12:53	csharp_	@decide git blame or git blam?
12:53	pinesol	csharp_: go with git blame
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16:19	terranm	You guys... we're actually running out of pullrequests to test! (Well, ones that end users can test anyway.)
16:25	mmorgan	Wow! That's great!
16:25	mmorgan	terranm++
16:28	JBoyer	I won't be around tomorrow so pattypan and festivus are pretty much The Way They're Going To Be, but there are some good things to check out on both! Also that Hatch patch; you can test that against any server, not necessarily a testing one!
16:28	JBoyer	and yeah, terranm++ Great work, it's much appreciated.
16:30	terranm	JBoyer++ The multiple server refreshes definitely kept things moving this week!
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Results for 2022-07-27

15:17	pinesol	Launchpad bug 1978889 in Evergreen 3.8 "Item alert types not displaying with alert" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1978889
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15:22	berick	terranm: yes
15:23	terranm	Okay, I think I missed including that line on my test server since it had a different LP number. Trying to apply it now...
15:23	berick	ah, k
15:43	terranm	Hrrm, I don't see Galen's changes to Open-ILS/src/eg2/src/app/staff/share/holdings/copy-alerts-dialog.component.html in your commit
15:43	csharp_	looks like https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=cc9c27b8647b39c44a1270b74b65bbe1a044739a was missed in the signoff/add'l branch
15:44	terranm	I have applied it to my test server and Elaine tested it successfully, so it is ready to be committed
15:44	csharp_	sorry, that's wrong
15:44	csharp_	let me keep looking
15:45	terranm	It should be the 4th commit here - https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/user/berick/lp1978889-copy-alerts-various-fixes

Results for 2022-07-26

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11:59	Stompro	Is anyone already working on testing the stripe messages on terran-master?
12:08	terranm	I don't think so
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12:30	Stompro	terranm, thanks for the instructions, I just emailed Dawn Dale to get a screenshot of the stripe dashboard.
13:12	JBoyer	terranm++
13:14	collum	Stompro - I was testing while you were writing. I just posted a signed-off branch.
13:15	Stompro	collum, double tested then!
13:16	collum	Excellent. Never can have too much testing.
13:17	Stompro	collum, I was just trying to remember how to do a signoff branch, so you let me know just in time.
13:21	terranm	Stompro++ collum++ Yay! Adding the patron id has helped us greatly since we implemented it.
13:22	collum	terranm, I really like that feature. It will help us, as well.
13:36	terranm	berick: If you do any updates on your test server this week can you please add the angular self-check as well? https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1840773 (I was going to test on mine, but I don't want to install the Angular circ branch on mine for this round of testing)
13:36	pinesol	Launchpad bug 1840773 in Evergreen "Angularize the Self-Check Interface" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
13:39	berick	terranm: can do.
13:40	terranm	berick++
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14:16	terranm	mmorgan: I loaded the current version of https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1891369 - wanted to let you know since you did a thorough testing of an earlier version
14:16	pinesol	Launchpad bug 1891369 in Evergreen "Circulation renewals near the due date should be extended" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
14:17	mmorgan	terranm++
14:17	mmorgan	I'll see if I can take a look.
14:30	JBoyer	going to rebuild pattypan with pretty much all of berick's Angular-patron-related branches to try to get a little bit of testing for all of them.
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14:36	JBoyer	And something I wanted to throw out since I noticed it go by in email: Testing at all is great, but don't forget to fire up Firefox also; there are still 2 supported browser engines!
14:37	JBoyer	And everyone++
14:38	terranm	+1
15:06	JBoyer	So that Angular patron statement is a little less impressive because one of the branched labeled as requiring it was mislabeled. (and it conflicts with the Angular stuff, so oops.)
15:08	terranm	That was probably my fault, sorry!
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16:30	JBoyer	FYI, there's a preview Hatch Installer linked from the spreadsheet. Both patches are client-side only so you can test them against any Evergreen server
16:31	JBoyer	Though both fixes are also client-side only so you could pretty much install, check perms in a couple places, uninstall and make sure everything is really gone.
16:42	jvwoolf1	terranm: The link to festivus seems to go to pattypan
16:53	* berick	updates evgdemo.kcls.org
17:07	csharp_	@decide evgdemo or venmo?
17:07	pinesol	csharp_: go with evgdemo
17:20	berick	terranm: https://evgdemo.kcls.org/eg2/en-US/staff/scko -- this demo server has some odd caching proxy in front of it, sometimes I have to add a ?foo=bar to the end of the URL to get the latest page.
17:21	terranm	jvwoolf1 - it sure did! Fixed
17:22	terranm	berick: okay, thanks
17:22	terranm	berick: I will test in the morning!
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Results for 2022-07-22

15:57	berick	i think it only uses memcache for certain types of values
15:57	berick	otherwise, just a locally cached value
15:58	Bmagic	browser cache? apache cache maybe?
15:58	Bmagic	on a test machine, the variable looks like this: $VAR1 = bless( [569,'icon_format','eaudio','E-audio',undef,'t','E-audio','f',undef], 'Fieldmapper::config::coded_value_map' );node
15:59	Dyrcona	The memcache key looks like "EGWeb.$locale.$hint." where $locale is the current locale (probably en-US) and $hint is the IDL classs: ccvm.
15:59	Bmagic	but on the broken system: $VAR1 = ''
16:00	Dyrcona	The list will have list appended, so : "EGWeb.en-US.ccvm.list" or something like that.
16:30	Bmagic	sounds good to me. I'll just have to wait till night
16:31	Dyrcona	If you empty out the list key, it might reload. I think it works like that. berick would know better than I.
16:31	Bmagic	that key isn't in the cache
16:32	Bmagic	it exists on my test system, but not on the broken system
16:37	berick	the only thing that would prevent it from getting added to the cache is if the value for the requested ID is in the process-level cache
16:37	berick	but if you reload Apache, then that should be moot
16:37	berick	may restart apache instead shrug

Results for 2022-07-20

13:39	csharp_	we had a number of patrons in my DeKalb library days who would pay the 1 penny to get below the no-checkout fines threshold
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14:14	gmcharlt	noting my current thinking for the 3.8 and 3.9 maintenance releases
14:14	gmcharlt	- produce release notes draft on Friday
14:14	gmcharlt	- accept feedback through Monday
14:14	gmcharlt	- create tarballs Tuesday and test
14:14	gmcharlt	- release on Wednesday
14:20	mantis1	Has anyone successfully added a recaptcha to a form? One of our libraries is getting targeted by spam bots from different IPs within the past few days.
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16:30	Bmagic	mantis1: I have not

Results for 2022-07-15

09:57	Dyrcona	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
09:57	Dyrcona	src/app/share/fm-editor/fm-editor.component.ts:518:51 - error TS2339: Property 'linkedSearchConditions' does not exist on type 'FmFieldOptions'.
09:57	Dyrcona	518 field.idlBaseQuery = fieldOptions.linkedSearchConditions;
10:00	Dyrcona	Yeahp. Looks like Lp 1851884 should not have been backported or should have been tested/modified for rel_3_7.
10:00	pinesol	Launchpad bug 1851884 in Evergreen 3.8 "eg-fm-record-editor: take care wiring up comboboxes" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1851884
10:02	Dyrcona	JBoyer \| gmcharlt_ ^^
10:03	Dyrcona	I'm gonna revert it locally and will likely revert it before building the actual 3.7.4 release unless someone comes up with a fix.
14:44	Dyrcona	So, ng build --prod blows up on rel_3_7, but just ng build doesn't.
14:47	gmcharlt_	hmm - I may have a bit of time to look over the weekend
14:48	gmcharlt_	but yeah, AIUI, --prod vs. not is actually two different copilers
15:03	Dyrcona	gmcharlt_: Cool. I'll not revert anything else. It looks like 5380bfb11a3a38bac521ce8ef92216c13d46f3b9 has issues as well. I swear that worked when I looked at it, but maybe I didn't really test it on 3.7.
15:03	Dyrcona	backports--
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15:18	Dyrcona	I am inclined to just revert that commit, too, but I'll wait to see what gmcharlt_ thinks.

Results for 2022-07-13

11:16	gmcharlt_	berick++
12:14	berick	Bmagic++ # just saw your earlier comment.
12:15	berick	working on cleaning up the branch now
12:18	Dyrcona	Crazy. I'm still seeing the discrepancy in 856 display on this test vm compared to production, and I can't find the difference in the code.
12:28	Dyrcona	Hmm.... Looks like the difference may be in the database. 856$3 shows up in asset.uri.label in the test db but goes in asset.uri.use_restriction in production.
12:28	Dyrcona	But! The database code should be identical since the test db was restored from a dump on Sunday.
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12:29	mmorgan	Dyrcona: Is there a difference in the function biblio.extract_located_uris?
12:34	Dyrcona	mmorgan: I'll check but there shouldn't be. It's a restored dump, both on Pg 10.
12:47	Dyrcona	But, how.....
12:48	Dyrcona	I have only 1 biblio.extract_located_uris, so there's not one with a different signature hanging around.
12:51	Dyrcona	According to the db function, $Z or $2 should go in use_restriction and $y or $3 should go into label. My production db entries look like $y or $z is in label and $3 is in use_restriction.
12:53	Dyrcona	My old entries in the test database look like production, but when I update them, they get the "correct" values. I'm going to see if I can find some that were recently added. I suspect we had a hacked version of the db function that didn't make it through an upgrade.
12:55	Dyrcona	Too bad I don't have any really old dumps hanging around....
12:55	Dyrcona	Hmm... I'll check the training server it might be old enough.
12:55	Dyrcona	mmorgan++
15:22	Dyrcona	DB server is slow while it's creating a database with another as a template.
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16:35	* Dyrcona	tests if setting an internal flag during a transaction, doing an update, then resetting the flag before commit works. I think it does, but the answer is that may depend on deferred triggers or not.
16:36	Dyrcona	I know that the internal flag update won't be visible outside of the transaction.
16:36	Dyrcona	Hmm... what's the thing to make all triggers immediate.....
16:40	Dyrcona	SET CONSTRAINTS ALL IMMEDIATE; # If you ever need it.
16:40	Dyrcona	That might break things for me but we'll see.
16:41	* Dyrcona	has a feeling the test transaction won't finish in the next 20 minutes, so we'll have to wait until tomorrow morning.
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Results for 2022-07-12

10:50	pinesol	News from commits: LP1958573 PMC messages created by action triggers not patron-visible <https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba2fc41399e9723361245a95e64d78a6c1eb2e59>
12:15	mmorgan	berick++ gmcharlt++ # fixing :)
12:32	Dyrcona	DBD::Pg++
13:03	Dyrcona	Hrm.. URIs aren't displaying correctly on my test VM, and I just merged my production branch into my test branch....
13:04	Dyrcona	And, there are no differences in the OPAC according to git diff....
13:13	Dyrcona	Grr... Thought maybe a git clean -xfd and a rebuild would help, but no....
13:14	Dyrcona	In production, the link is on subfield z and subfield 3 appears after it. On my test VM it is the opposite in both ways.
13:21	Dyrcona	Not even wiping out the installed bootstrap templates and reinstalling them helped....
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13:29	Dyrcona	Ah, wait a minute.... I recall something now about a difference between the ttopac and bootstrap opac and I had to patch it. However the patch doesn't seem to be missing from the git branch AFAICT.
15:31	berick	gmcharlt_: so you're thinking flip the big switch on day one too?
15:32	terranm	I could work up a list of tasks that need to be tested for each of the new interfaces as a starting point. It might be easier to get people to test if it's broken into bite-sized pieces.
15:32	mmorgan	Just to clarify, right now, the new uis are under an org unit setting?
15:32	gmcharlt_	more like stand up test systems that have the switch flipped
15:32	berick	mmorgan: sort of. it's kind of a mess what we have.
15:32	berick	that we were going to test with
15:32	berick	i'm of the opinion that when we do flip the switch, it has to be fully flipped or it's going to get really confusing real fast
15:33	berick	hopping between the same UI's depending on how you got there
15:33	gmcharlt_	(also noting that soon there will be a dump of the Angular acquisitions sprint 4 stuff, though that's more self-contained than the patron/circ stuff)
15:34	JBoyer	terranm++ I do think having a reminder of what all needs to be tested helps. I wonder if some of the staff interfaces have the 1-2 things users do most and then say "yeah, didn't fall over" by end users. A guide would help them test things they maybe do quarterly or less.
15:34	mmorgan	terranm++
15:34	mmorgan	+1 to broad community testing
15:35	shulabear	terranm++
15:35	gmcharlt_	also, I think the more that the branch can be cleaned up to have new and changed shared component live in self-contained patches, the better
15:36	gmcharlt_	as individually, those should be much more amenable to piecemeal testing by devs and committers
15:38	berick	yeah, i can clean up the shared/core changes. that's a small portion of it.
15:39	gmcharlt_	and I think the other thing that would help is ensuring that there's one big ol' switch (or maybe a small set of them) to reliably switch between old and new interfaces
15:39	berick	it gets a little complicated with the patron UI, since it's basically one big application. it kind has to be added as a whole.
15:43	* Bmagic	scrolls up
15:44	* phasefx	still remembers having three or so pull lists
15:44	gmcharlt_	but I mislike the notion of potenially have 3.10.0 end up being intentionally full of regressions
15:44	berick	but going back to my original proposal, if we merge the code without any menu/link updates, then we have a body of code we can start building on, which will have the affect of testing said code. Eg. it's a lot easier to test a new Item Status UI then overhauling the whole patron UI.
15:44	mmorgan	gmcharlt_++
15:44	gmcharlt_	I wonder if we should consider an extended timeframe for 3.10, balanced with a brief 3.11
15:45	berick	i wasn't trying to flip the switch for 3.10. a full switch flip should happen basically the day after a major release is made
15:48	mmorgan	berick: Meaning not going all in and the "switch" being don't upgrade.
15:48	gmcharlt_	JBoyer: one huge change and a largish change (acq)
15:48	Dyrcona	Why not add it after 3.10, go all in, and 3.11 becomes 4.0 if the changes are that big?
15:49	gmcharlt_	because anything that isn't turned until 3.11 will largely not get significant testing untikl 3.11 starts (is my fear)
15:50	Dyrcona	Anyone testing leading up to the 3.11 release would be using the new interfaces.
15:50	gmcharlt_	berick: let me ask you this - assuming a longer 3.10 cycle, is your branch essentially feature complete now? (barring the inevitable obscure YAOUS implementations and so forth)?
15:50	phasefx	this is probably crazy, but how about we hold releases hostage until we get significant testing? super long rc-1 for whatever holds the new stuff
15:55	gmcharlt_	2. merge sooner rather than later, hopefully with some cleanup of the branch
15:56	gmcharlt_	3. target this for 3.10, then aim for broad testing
15:56	berick	what if the Big Red Switch is a patch/commit? making all the links/buttons have optional destinations is non-trivial
15:56	gmcharlt_	3a including nudges, test systems, etc.
15:57	gmcharlt_	4. we agree to prepare to extend 3.10 into November, possibly early December
15:58	gmcharlt_	5. and by mid-November, review the state of the bugs against the Angular interfaces and make a go/no-go decision
15:58	gmcharlt_	5a. (which is potentially when the decision to apply the BRS as a commit, if that's what it has to be, gets made)
15:58	gmcharlt_	(end of my list)
15:59	gmcharlt_	but basically, combine (a) a quick merge so that the code doesn't age or diverge too much with (b) a much more intentional testing stance for a big change like this than may have been the case in the past
16:00	gmcharlt_	without kicking the can to 3.11, since the testing needs to happen eventually and it would be good not to block the potentiall for normal enhancements to patrons/circ
16:00	berick	gmcharlt_: ok, that makes sense. and the BRS will be a commit that just reverses all the link/button/menu changes?
16:01	berick	or a revert, basically