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csharp |
depends on whether they're after stats or are trying to track/resolve a staff problem |
| 09:08 |
mrpeters |
its a stats thing |
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csharp |
k |
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jeff |
interesting: looking at a user created yesterday, they have two entries in auditor.actor_usr_history with audit_time that matches their create_date (and last_update_time). both have audit_user and audit_ws, so it looks like my musing above was on-target. |
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* jeff |
throws that on the pile of things to look into later |
| 09:12 |
jeff |
but just off the top of my head, you can probably rely on "auditor.actor_usr_history with audit_time matching actor.usr.create_date for the user will contain the audit_user/audit_ws that created the user" |
| 09:13 |
jeff |
test, of course. |
| 09:14 |
mrpeters |
that may be a good start, and enough for what they want |
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csharp |
so... I'm investigating another see also from tracing issue with OPAC browse search: http://gapines.org/eg/opac/browse?blimit=20&qtype=author&bterm=poznanski%2C+ursula&locg=1 is the main heading and "Archer, Ursula" is listed as a see also, but there is no authority record for "Archer, Ursula" for it to link to |
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csharp |
in that case, is there a way to have see also/from tracings work - that is, when there is no auth record for the reference? |
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Bmagic |
well, even both, means that checkin_time is required |
| 09:45 |
Bmagic |
and we are not checking it in (or don't think that's correct) |
| 09:46 |
Bmagic |
I'm going to run some more expierements |
| 09:47 |
mmorgan |
Just marked an item Lost on my test patron. Paid the bill and the item is gone from items out. |
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mmorgan |
Item never got checked in. |
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Bmagic |
mmorgan: that is good news, let me see what is going on here |
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kmlussier |
I thought the setting mmorgan referred to above is the one that removed it from Items Out if it was fully paid. Strange that it isn't working for you that way. |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1331174 in Evergreen "Long Overdue processing needs org unit settings separate from Lost Processing" (affected: 3, heat: 14) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1331174 |
| 10:09 |
berick |
bshum: i'd call that a bug fix |
| 10:10 |
berick |
bshum++ kmlussier++ ACQ merging/tseting |
| 10:11 |
kmlussier |
berick: We're always happy to test acq improvements in these parts. :) |
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kmlussier |
berick++ |
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* berick |
rebases bug 1380803 |
| 10:11 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1380803 in Evergreen "PO totals do not include all amounts" (affected: 1, heat: 8) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1380803 |
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bshum |
berick: Alrighty, up to you. Since it has a release note, we probably should move that into the mainline notes for 2.8 so that it doesn't get lost in the darkness. |
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Bmagic |
explain |
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berick |
if you add LONGOVERDUE back, then longoverdue items might get marked as longoverdue again. or, more likely, you'll re-process (and evetually ignore) a bunch of circs you don't need to |
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Bmagic |
oh jees |
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berick |
the validators should prevent anything from getting the full treatment twice. |
| 12:01 |
berick |
but they'd have to be loaded and tested |
| 12:01 |
berick |
over and over again |
| 12:01 |
Bmagic |
so, I need to setup an AT with a grainularity, and pass that cron the special config |
| 12:01 |
berick |
yes |
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Bmagic |
sounds doable |
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krvmga |
i'm just looking at our 2.7 test installation and no icons are appearing for any items in search returns in the opac. i don't know why. |
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bshum |
krvmga: Well, two thoughts: (1) did you guys monkey with any format_icon configuration in the settings, or (2) did you perform a reingest of all your bibs. |
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krvmga |
bshum: we just finished a re-ingest of all our bibs |
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krvmga |
bshum: format_icon configuration in the settings? |
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kmlussier |
yboston: I did ask about meeting space at the conference for the Academics for Evergreen group. But I never heard back. |
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jeff |
What is the latest version of xulrunner for Mac OS X that we should try for 2.7.4? |
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bshum |
jeff: So... I never tested anything beyond what we use now for the other clients, that's 14.0.1 |
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bshum |
That's not true, I tried up through XUL 17 or so |
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bshum |
And there were let's say... bugs and crashes. |
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bshum |
So at least on 14, you'll be where everyone else is. |
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* bshum |
is fairly sure the Mac client building instructions on the wiki reflect that XUL 14 version. |
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jeff |
co-worker mentioned that the instructions they were looking at mentioned evergreen 2.3, so they were... undertain of the doc's relevance. |
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* jeff |
looks |
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jeff |
bshum++ |
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bshum |
They are old docs, but Xulrunner testing hasn't progressed since then. Since after XUL 18 or so, I think that's when remote XUL goes away and things die. |
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bshum |
I do sometimes think that XUL 15 might be a better choice though, since that's the version of Firefox where they fixed all the broken memory issues with Firefox 14. |
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bshum |
But when we tested XUL 15 built staff clients in production at one library, the staff client would occasionally, spontaneously close without warning. |
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Dyrcona |
@blame mozilla |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: everything was going great until mozilla came along |
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Dyrcona |
@praise mozilla |
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kmlussier |
Good night all! |
| 17:02 |
hopkinsju |
At any rate, that's a good enough solution I was just trying to satisfy my curiosity |
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Bmagic |
Who is using "Items Out Lost display setting" ? |
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Bmagic |
I have a library that wants those to NOT SHOW on the items out screen. This setting really seems like the answer |
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bshum |
So it definitely seems like a weird Firefox issue |
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csharp |
s/Firefox/Firefox on Windows/ |
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* csharp |
doesn't know if mac works the same way |
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* krvmga |
doesn't have a mac to test on. |
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Dyrcona |
I'm using Firefox 37.0.1 on Ubuntu and I see it the behavior as described. |
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* jeff |
looks |
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is using a mac at this very moment. I’ll go grab FF. |
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bshum |
Ah, indeed. |
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Dyrcona |
Interesting....I just noticed that I have ISBN configured differently for Bibliomation than I do for NOBLE and CW/MARS. |
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bshum |
Dyrcona: Interesting indeed... I know we tinkered with the z-config when we were testing between us to figure out what was weird with Evergreen... |
| 09:36 |
jeff |
@dunno add Have you confirmed your ISBN SPIDs with your service provider? |
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pinesol_green |
jeff: The operation succeeded. Dunno #38 added. |
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Dyrcona |
Ah.... Turns out the configuration for Bibliomation is incomplete, or was partially removed. |
| 10:12 |
jboyer-isl |
Dyrcona: What I’m after is more like selecting multiple values from the audience box when selecting “juvenile,” can that not be done with just a custom template change? |
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Dyrcona |
jboyer-isl: I was referring to tsbere's suggestion with the either, and I'm apparently wrong in that case. |
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Dyrcona |
A template change is relatively cheap. I'd try it on a dev/test system to see if it did what I wanted. If it does, then there you go! |
| 10:17 |
tsbere |
Template change in this case is harder due to the dynamic nature of the advanced search boxes. Database insert (compared to edit) is easier. ;) |
| 10:17 |
Dyrcona |
Well then. I'm wrong again. :) |
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shuts up. |
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plux |
it may be smoke and mirrors but we’re getting intermittent/erratic hanging in the client that seems to parallel the SSL read fail times |
| 13:36 |
plux |
it seemed fine prior to the latest openssl patches |
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Dyrcona |
I doubt the hanging has much to do with it. |
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jeffdavis |
I see a few "SSL input filter read failed" messages in the logs for our Ubuntu 14.04 test server running EG2.8 beta. Haven't had any reports of client issues so far. |
| 13:37 |
Dyrcona |
http://serverfault.com/questions/565703/apache-producing-lots-of-ssl-only-errors-even-though-the-data-in-browser-seems-f |
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Dyrcona |
Looks it has to do with named virtual hosting and SSL being established before that happens. |
| 13:42 |
Dyrcona |
Well, that's not it in this case, apparently. |
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krvmga |
tsbere: that seems to have fixed it. |
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* bshum |
hates time zones |
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bshum |
Bmagic: I'm not aware of any time settings in the staff client. I just presumed it grabbed it from Windows or whatnot. |
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tsbere |
krvmga: Woo then. Make a patch, get credit for actually making the change and testing it. ;) |
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Bmagic |
ok, cool, I will focus my direction |
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bshum |
So I have seen it shift dates weirdly if it was recorded in one timezone but got time changed into the wrong time on another workstation |
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krvmga |
tsbere: thank you. i will do that. |
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requests to join https://launchpad.net/~evergreen-drivers too |
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* bshum |
will probably poke dbs about getting admin rights to that group later. |
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rangi |
wtaf |
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rangi |
i wish someone had told me 16 years ago that if you open source something, you are not allowed to work on it or maintain it anymore, ive been doing it wrong for 16 years |
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rangi |
thats too much new info for me, im going to go bed, unless that is politically correct also |
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* bshum |
hates on bug 937789 |
| 14:07 |
Bmagic |
937789-- |
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Bmagic |
ok, just thought I would check. It sounds like everyone is having the same problem |
| 14:08 |
bshum |
With parts, sure. |
| 14:08 |
bshum |
But metarecords, unfortunately we've not tested that extensively. |
| 14:08 |
bshum |
For our consortium, that is still disabled. |
| 14:08 |
Bmagic |
metarecord holds = part level holds in this context |
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bshum |
Until we get more time to sort out the fingerprints |
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Bmagic |
We handle the part level holds with a cron job that deletes them and reports the deletes in an email to the consortium email list |
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bshum |
I assume that might be where I might need to define how location gets connected with the circulations. |
| 17:15 |
pastebot |
"berick" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "copy loc" (14 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/48 |
| 17:15 |
berick |
yep |
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bshum |
berick++ # thanks muchly |
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bshum |
We shall test and hopefully not crash everything :) |
| 17:16 |
berick |
heh, so by "test" you mean "deploy" :) |
| 17:16 |
berick |
AKA the developer's "test" |
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bshum |
Uh... yes. :) |
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bshum |
If it breaks, we can always just manually re-run generating the XML |
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bshum |
In theory. |
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bshum |
:) |
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csharp |
@who tests all their fixes in production? |
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pinesol_green |
tsbere tests all their fixes in production. |
| 17:24 |
bshum |
Lucky shot. |
| 17:24 |
berick |
heh |
| 17:25 |
csharp |
@roulette |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: *click* |
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berick |
@who tests [someone]'s fixes in production |
| 17:25 |
pinesol_green |
collinanderson tests collinanderson 's fixes in production. |
| 17:25 |
csharp |
@developer |
| 17:25 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: Communication:16, BigPicture:12, DetailOriented:14, KungFu:12, GetsStuffDone:8, FlakeFactor:9, JavaAvoidance:11 |
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bshum |
Now that's just spooky berick... |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Ben Shum] Docs: Change all .PNG to .png - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8598e7a> |
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csharp |
@praise [someone] |
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* pinesol_green |
hopkinsju is one of the few who deserves to be praised |
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bshum |
Well actually I can test right now if the template worked. |
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* bshum |
tests generating some circ overdue files. |
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csharp |
@test |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: You probably want hard-boiled eggs. |
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bshum |
~test |
| 17:31 |
bshum |
Nope. |
| 17:31 |
csharp |
s'ok |
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bshum |
@roulette |
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pinesol_green |
bshum: *click* |
| 17:39 |
bshum |
But our move to 14.04 will probably occur during Memorial Day weekend. |
| 17:39 |
bshum |
Next month. |
| 17:39 |
csharp |
I'm sure it will be fine |
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bshum |
If we can iron out all the remaining kinks. |
| 17:40 |
bshum |
At the very least, I expect to be able to deploy app servers at 14.04. Just have to keep testing out all the utility stuff. |
| 17:40 |
csharp |
yeah |
| 17:44 |
bshum |
Yay, berick++ # it worked in my testing :) |
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bshum |
Now to add it onto the giant .xml that controls everything... |
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berick |
bshum: cool! |
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kmlussier |
berick++ #fix for bug 1436906 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1436906 in Evergreen "Direct charges are not disencumbered when they are removed from a PO or if the PO is canceled" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1436906 |
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kmlussier |
I'll see if I can test that one today. |
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berick |
cool |
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jboyer-isl |
“ box and telling it to go ahead, (provided strict barcode can be used at all, we’ve got several locations using barcodes with missing check digits. :( ) |
| 16:34 |
kmlussier |
Yeah, a bad barcode doesn't stop them from using it. It just gives them one more alert to click through. |
| 16:34 |
mmorgan |
They get the misscanned/not cataloged pop-up - unless the precat already exists. |
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* kmlussier |
decides to test a bug fix because bug fixes put her in a happy place. |
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* bshum |
wants to be in a happy place too. |
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kmlussier |
@dessert bshum |
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* pinesol_green |
grabs some Coconut Cream Pie for bshum |
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* pinesol_green |
fills a pint glass with Rio Blanco Pale Ale, and sends it sliding down the bar to me (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/458/2298/) |
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bshum |
jeffdavis: For fun note, I just compared our PG 9.3 and 9.4 databases, and found that metabib_keyword_field_entry_index_vector_idx was definitely smaller. From 1690 to 890 MB or so, roughly. Which is nice. |
| 17:40 |
bshum |
I'm still continuing my tests with 9.4, but so far, it hasn't exploded yet. So that keeps me hopeful. |
| 17:47 |
bshum |
Oh, that's of course, assuming that one has used gin there instead of gist I guess... |
| 17:54 |
bshum |
We changed most of our metabib indexes from gist to gin during a past upgrade. |
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bshum |
But I guess that's not stock setup. |
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csharp |
bleh - lp isn't letting me post a comment |
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Bmagic |
csharp: So we introduced the library setting "Assess Billing When Marked Long-Overdue" from this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1331174 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1331174 in Evergreen "Long Overdue processing needs org unit settings separate from Lost Processing" (affected: 3, heat: 14) [Wishlist,Confirmed] |
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mmorgan |
Bmagic: Have you implemented this? |
| 15:02 |
Bmagic |
mmorgan: We were sort of waiting for it to be tested, now that it has, we are feeling good about merging it |
| 15:06 |
mmorgan |
gotcha. How were you thinking of using the Long Overdue vs. Lost? |
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Bmagic |
mmorgan: So the trigger would turn something into long overdue and fire an alert to the patron at 20 days overdue and not bill. Then at 40 days overdue, the trigger would mark them lost and bill them accordingly. For example. |
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kmlussier |
dbwells / berick: OK, thanks |
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bshum |
csharp: Did you say Fedora, but mean Jessie? Or do you mean Jessie also has newer ejabberd packaged with it, like Fedora's? |
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* bshum |
knows that initial makefile stuff was pushed for Jessie, but hasn't watched it closely since he doesn't use Debian. |
| 12:59 |
csharp |
bshum: jessie also has the newer YML-based config, like Fedora |
| 12:59 |
csharp |
but jessie's ejabberd appeared to work fine in my scant testing |
| 12:59 |
csharp |
s/YML/YAML/ |
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bshum |
Okay, done bug wrangling for now. |
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jeff |
the missing context from quote 1 is: <senator> my own understanding of the rebase question, the significance of fast-forwards and the consequences of squashing was stunted until it arose organically through habitual git use |
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kmlussier |
jeff: Thank you for that. I was just looking for it, but I couldn't remember how to get to the old logs. |
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jeff |
http://evergreen-ils.org/irc_logs/evergreen/2011-02/%23evergreen.17-Thu-2011.log |
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kmlussier |
@quote get 2 |
| 17:11 |
pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Quote #2: "<tsbere> We need more quotes" (added by berick at 11:24 AM, February 17, 2011) |
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berick |
knowing is half the battle |
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gmcharlt |
so, fair to say that we've got a consensus to advocate for #evgils and see what ahppens? |
| 13:17 |
kmlussier |
Archiving the hashtag might not be a terrible idea. I often have a need to search out old posts I saw on Twitter. |
| 13:17 |
RoganH |
I wouldn't bother archiving it but I tend to think of twitter as an ephemeral thing. |
| 13:19 |
gmcharlt |
ok, |
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gmcharlt |
#action We shall march forth under the #evgils banner! |
| 13:19 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Doc testing VM |
| 13:20 |
gmcharlt |
#info This has moved forward a bit - gmcharlt has an IP address courtesy of csharp, access to the main docs server, and now just needs to create the VM |
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gmcharlt |
#topic Evergreen library directory |
| 13:21 |
gmcharlt |
#info Erica has been making updates to it |
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bshum |
gmcharlt++ csharp++ |
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gmcharlt |
ericar++ |
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bshum |
ericar++ |
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jeff |
grr. |
| 15:03 |
dbs |
jeff: Is that just our frozen version of MODS, or does current MODS versions do that as well? |
| 15:03 |
jeff |
sorry, should have specified that. i'm looking at 3.5, which seems to be latest. |
| 15:04 |
dbs |
OK. They've been pretty responsive to bug reports recently, and 3.6 was just announced for testing purposes |
| 15:04 |
jeff |
behavior seems to date back to the 3.0 version, also. |
| 15:04 |
jeff |
dbs: oh, good! |
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* jeff |
looks at http://www.loc.gov/standards/mods/changes-3-6.html |
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dbs: no idea why that didn't show up in the listserv search i did, other than "listserv" |
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bshum |
gmcharlt: Our reports blew up about six days ago (with a bad report template that went to get the circ notes for everything with a circ mod "book" in the consortium) |
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bshum |
So I'm taking this reset time to try out the clipping of Clark's cape |
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gmcharlt |
bshum: groovy |
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bshum |
I'm trying to decide if 1000 minutes might be excessive yet (that's like 16+ hours) |
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bshum |
I'll have to ask around the office to see what seems like a nice stop point for us. |
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bshum |
Wait, 60 |
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bshum |
I misread the line didn't I? |
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* bshum |
has his eyes checked |
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bshum |
gmcharlt: I'll let you know what comes from our testing and maybe this might be one of the first new features we push on next |
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gmcharlt |
bshum: in addition to asking folks -- http://paste.lisp.org/display/146642 |
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bshum |
gmcharlt++ # I like that better :) |
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gmcharlt |
bshum: data from that applied to our hosted customers is what led me to setting 60 minutes as a default |
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bshum |
Hmm, 1 million rows? :D |
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Dyrcona |
One meellyun rows of what? |
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bshum |
Just setting some unreasonable number of rows to test the new clark out. |
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bshum |
Should probably set it lower to really test it. |
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gmcharlt |
:) |
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bshum |
But eh, I'll do that on some other server. |
| 11:18 |
bshum |
And let's say, not production :D |
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kmlussier |
bshum: Where's your sense of adventure? Testing in production is fun! :D |
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Dyrcona |
The only real testing is done in production when real users get their hands on things. ;) |
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bshum |
Oh duh |
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bshum |
I have to restart services for the new limitset to apply :) |
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bshum |
I was wondering why it was still broken |
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bshum |
Yep, after restarting things, we're back to happily running reports. |
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bshum |
I'll update the bug with notes about the potential issue with resultset_limit |
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bshum |
And I'll add anything else that we find as we start using it. |
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jboyer-isl |
bshum++ # testing! |
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jboyer-isl |
gmcharlt++ # I ran that query and we had a 2.5 day report a while back. D: at least it didn’t cause any issues as it slowly trod on. |
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bshum |
We'll schedule an evening to test the report past 1 hour and see if it kills as advertised. |
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csharp |
eeevil: thanks for the response - deduping didn't change the plan, so I'll experiment with the stats target |
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csharp |
postgresql_docs++ |
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csharp |
that is possibly the best-documented F/LOSS project I've come across |
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bshum |
kmlussier: I just tested https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1438410 and can confirm it doesn't work for my webclient. |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1438410 in Evergreen "Web staff client: Load patron from Checkout does not work" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Low,Confirmed] |
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bshum |
But it's fine for XUL, so far as I can tell. |
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bshum |
I've updated the bug ticket accordingly. |
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bshum |
But we might want to adjust the description of the problem a bit. |
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kmlussier |
Done |
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bshum |
kmlussier++ # testing |
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sal_ |
Following 2.7.4 documentation, I think. |
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bshum |
And I think oils_sip.xml.example isn't matched to that |
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bshum |
There's an open bug to make those work together better. |
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sal_ |
Might be part of the problem. |
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sal_ |
Glad to test :-) |
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bshum |
By default, there isn't a "max_spare_servers" line that I see. |
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bshum |
In either example. |
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sal_ |
http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/2.7/_sip_server.html#_installing_the_sip_server |
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bshum |
As written, I wouldn't expect that to be a problem. But maybe it is... |
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Dyrcona |
I never set max_spare_servers, it turns out. |
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Dyrcona |
Our config has min_servers, min_spare_servers, and max_servers set. |
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bshum |
We got all four options set. But admittedly I have not tested the time used to start connections. |
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sal_ |
Yeah, it was the only obvious difference (wrt performance) between the 2.4 oils_sip.xml and 2.7 |
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bshum |
Maybe there's something else we're not seeing. |
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bshum |
sal_++ for testing, be curious to dig at it more later. |
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Dyrcona |
If you want to try Multiplex, add personality='Multiplex' to your server-params section. |
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Dyrcona |
Also, are you using the same SIPServer as you did with 2.4? |
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sal_ |
Will that use the SIPconfig.xml rather than oils_sip.xml? |
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jboyer-isl |
csharp: Just wait until it's time to build systemd units! |
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csharp |
jboyer-isl: yeah, been planning to get into that soon |
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jboyer-isl |
And the reason I have 4-5 different scripts will probably make more sense after the conference. |
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mmorgan |
So I have been trying to install hatch following the instructions at https://raw.githubusercontent.com/phasefx/random/hatch/README.win |
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mmorgan |
After editing the run-win.bat file, I execute the run-win.bat command, but I get errors... |
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pastebot |
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jeff |
tricks like "group by second level profile" left as an exercise to the reader |
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makohund |
thanks, will look at those when I get a moment, my head has been buried in SIP logs on my other monitor... ugh. |
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* jeff |
updates said gist a few times |
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jeff |
dbs++ for the recursive CTE trick |
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jeff |
for what it's worth, those queries are pretty speedy on an underpowered dev instance |
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makohund |
oooh... very nice. so open circ view... does that mean any circ that gets closed out by marking as lost/missing/etc will forever remain an "open circ", and will be in there? |
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Dyrcona |
Apparently, I need 680 exceptions to those other rules. |
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Dyrcona |
Just another case of, we want people to place holds on everything, except this and this and this and that stuff over there, and.... |
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Dyrcona |
Oh, and except these people.... |
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Dyrcona |
I suppose before I add another 680 hold matrix entries, I should test if the rules are already working as intended. |
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Dyrcona |
Without an actual test, it is all conjecture and anecdotes. |
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jonadab |
Every time you large-library-system people start talking about holds, I remember how glad I am to work for a single-ou library system. |
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Dyrcona |
Well, I may be going to a lot of trouble for nothing. |
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jeff |
if we could eliminate our use of age hold protection, i'd be pretty happy with holds in general. our rules are pretty simple. |
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Dyrcona |
_bott_: AFAIK, 9.3.6 is the highest being used in production. |
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Dyrcona |
_bott_: That said, I am not aware of any problems with 9.4.x. |
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_bott_ |
I shall pay attention while testing! |
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Dyrcona |
I could probably get an account, too. |
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bshum |
_bott_: We're using PG 9.3.6 in production, but I've got a test server giving PG 9.4.1 a whirl. Love to compare notes with you later on. |
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dbs |
Members of the Evergreen Oversight Board, a heads-up that I was asked if Evergreen would be willing to have their logo added to the http://www.libhub.org/sponsors-partners/ page as a "Partner" (given our focus on many of the same goals as libhub, re: visibility on the web, schema.org, etc) |
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dbs |
and my response was "Umm, I don't know if the new logo terms of usage were ever finalized (all I could find is a draft) but I think you would need the EOB's okay" |
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kmlussier |
eeevil++ |
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kmlussier |
I knew that when I shared the link to the bug, but I didn't know if it was a sure thing yet. :) |
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* mmorgan |
missed a fun holds discussion on Friday! ... and has a question :) |
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mmorgan |
Within a soft-stalling period, if there's a hold for pickup at Abbot Library, and Abbot does not own a copy, does the soft stalling interval still apply? |
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* kmlussier |
doesn't remember. |
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kmlussier |
mmorgan: I haven't tested it, but I think it would. Because the stalling is there to give the library who has it on their pull list time to pull it. |
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kmlussier |
The pull list library most likely wouldn't be the pickup library in this case. |
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bshum |
The soft stalling should still apply to keep any other library (not targeted) from capturing the hold opportunistically. |
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kmlussier |
Way back when we were first learning about Evergreen, I found that phasefx's explanation in this thread - http://georgialibraries.markmail.org/thread/ulkblq7rgzcj7g64 - very helpful. |
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mmorgan |
ok, so during the stalling interval, only the single targeted copy could fill the hold. I think that's the part that was never quite clear to me. |
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berick |
@weather 27712 |
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pinesol_green |
berick: The current temperature in Heritage Heights, Durham, North Carolina is 77.4°F (11:15 AM EDT on March 17, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 31%. Dew Point: 44.6°F. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). |
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berick |
that's what I'm talking about |
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* kmlussier |
wonders how a 2.8-testing kind of day turned into a web-client-testing kind of day. |
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Dyrcona |
@weather 01845 |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: The current temperature in WB1CHU, Lawrence, Massachusetts is 39.0°F (11:21 AM EDT on March 17, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 39.2°F. Windchill: 39.2°F. Pressure: 29.49 in 998 hPa (Falling). |
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Dyrcona |
berick: "Absolutely nothin'!" |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1406786 in Evergreen "Merge parts functionality fails to preserve copy_part mapping" (affected: 4, heat: 20) [Medium,Confirmed] |
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DPearl |
bshum: Hi, Ben. I have desk-checked the code and it looks fine. I am shortly going to try it on a 2.7.4 after I get that up on my dev machine to repro the problem, which I haven't seen. The original bug fix commit looks complete. |
| 13:47 |
bshum |
DPearl: Okay, let us know what you see on your next test system. I'm still poking at it slowly myself to try figuring out where things went awry. |
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Dyrcona |
Probably because it updates the monograph part to point to the new record, any link with the old is broken and not preserved. |
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Dyrcona |
There's a pcrud update going on in the JavaScript. |
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bshum |
Well I would have expected something to change the copy map to point at the new part before the delete. But yeah, hmm... |
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Dyrcona |
Funny. gogs is hosted on github. :) |
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Dyrcona |
Well, time to go. This time for reals. |
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krvmga |
i'm curious why the new icons in search results aren't showing up in our test 2.7.3 installation. Did i miss some configuration bit? |
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kmlussier |
krvmga: I know there was a bit of reingesting that went along with the MVF work. Do you know if that was done on your test system? |
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krvmga |
kmlussier: i do not know. i can find out tomorrow. |
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krvmga |
kmlussier: was a full reingest needed? |
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Dyrcona |
krvmga: You upgraded from what version? |
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gmcharlt |
berick: +1 to an RC1 |
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gmcharlt |
#info berick to cut an RC1 for Evergreen 2.8.0 in the next day or so |
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berick |
i have not heard any problems w/ the beta, fwiw, apart from standard bug reports |
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bshum |
Fwiw, we're still testing up our upgraded DB to master, but the upgrade scripts didn't blow up anywhere so far for us. |
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bshum |
So far. |
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berick |
thanks, bshum |
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gmcharlt |
berick: anything else to say about 2.8 rc1? |
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berick |
nothing at the moment to add |
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* phasefx |
has an Inform5 manual in the next room |
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jonadab |
phasefx: Yeah, I have a print copy of the DM4. |
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jonadab |
Which is a really well-written book. |
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kmlussier |
Thanks for the tips! Have a nice night everyone! |
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Bmagic |
kmlussier: HTML, QBASIC, Java, C#, PERL in that order |
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phasefx |
jonadab: cool deal. I just looked at the date on this thing. Oy :) |
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kmlussier |
Ha! It's spooky how you said that just as I saw the harry potter search results filling the screen. |
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Dyrcona |
:) |
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* gmcharlt |
is now musing about organizing a super-library-geeky social event at #egconf15 that would have the effect of reshuffling all of our default catalog searches ;) |
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kmlussier |
That would be fun. |
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kmlussier |
My default search is "pugs", but I never use it on systems with test data because it rarely pulls up results. Interestingly, it does get a couple of hits on webby. |
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bshum |
I need to add my own "star trek" bib record to the stock data :) |
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bshum |
I usually do "mozart" as my concerto test. And "Harry potter" if I want that one sample :) |
| 14:40 |
Dyrcona |
We should add a bunch of "fictional" books written by community members, with notes extolling things they've done for Evergreen. |
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bshum |
That would be hilarious |
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bshum |
And awesome |
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bshum |
Yeah, where is the book of Evergreen? That totally needs to be original cataloged... |
| 14:42 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah. |
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kmlussier |
When I'm creating records in a test system, I usually do "Kathy's adventures in Evergreen." |
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kmlussier |
There's also a serial version: "Kathy's journal of Evergreen." |
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Dyrcona |
I've got some books on the shelf in my office with barcodes on them that I use if I need test copies. |
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Dyrcona |
I don't usually create MARC data. |
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Dyrcona |
We actually have a barcode prefix for our central site, though we do not have a circulating collection. |
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Dyrcona |
Cataloged a Coca Cola bottle once, now that I think of it. |
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kmlussier |
Hooray - it's quitting time! See y'all on Monday! |
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berick |
It's 5 o'clock somewhere! Oh yeah, here. |
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* berick |
calls 0915 |
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* csharp |
answers "Hello? Hello, this is 0915, is anyone there?" |
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berick |
"have you checked the children?" |
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jcamins |
I've been thinking about getting Ticket to Ride. Never played it, though. |
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kmlussier |
I'm glad I dug up that log. Lots of game ideas there. |
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jcamins |
Oh, it was paxed! "We didn't play test this." I searched for "this should not be a game," and it didn't bring that up. |
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Bmagic |
jcamins: It's not my favorite game but I will say it's a good opener. A "gateway" game if you will. I enjoy Through the Ages, Agricola, At the Gates of Loyang, 1830 |
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jcamins |
For this Sunday we'll probably ask some of our guests to bring a couple of their board games, but I would like to own a couple of board games for when we have guests coming who aren't driving. |
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* paxed |
likes Guillotine and Love Letter. card games, though. |
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bshum |
(we still haven't switched to 14.04 due to the ruby EDI bug since we use acq) |
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bshum |
And we used Debian 6 instead of Ubuntu for awhile till 14.04 had a workable less-buggy version of ldirector for our load balancers. |
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kmlussier |
bshum: But it was just the DB server that was on a different O/S than the bricks? Or did you sometimes have a mix among your bricks too? |
| 15:26 |
bshum |
So you can use whatever OS you want for each role in your setup. The only burden it adds is on the sys admins for keeping track of it all. |
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bshum |
Right now we're in the midst of switching up our app servers too. |
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bshum |
Where 5 out of 6 are 12.04 and one is 14.04 |
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bshum |
We're testing the 14.04 one as a side utility server and seeing what else is weird. |
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bshum |
And also using it as our chance to rewrite our apache config files for the Apache 2.2 to 2.4 change that Dyrcona mentioned too. |
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bshum |
Generally I find it's easier on the brain the fewer distros we have to keep track of. |
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bshum |
So I've been trying to consolidate things as best as I can. |
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kmlussier |
bshum: Thanks for the details! |
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kmlussier |
bshum++ |
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bshum |
kmlussier: Actually come to think of it... we ran Lucid bricks at the same time we were building Precise bricks |
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Dyrcona |
Median hits/minute during the time of our high load: 2,592. |
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Dyrcona |
With a maximum of 4,705 during the minute of 4:40 pm EST. |
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Dyrcona |
Our poor server did the best it could, but the load hit 154. |
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Dyrcona |
hits==requests if you don't know what I mean. |
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gmcharlt |
Dyrcona: beats baseball bats... |
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Dyrcona |
:) |
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Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html> |
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MrMayor |
I see. Ideally we would like fines to be applied in the early a.m. (12:01 for instance) instead of at the end of business. |
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Bmagic |
MrMayor: The fine generator is a piece of software that runs on your linux server. It runs whenever you tell it to run, usually on a cron job. When it runs, it applies fines but the date stamp that is uses is not the same time that it runs. |
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MrMayor |
Ahh interesting. I will have to look into this. Thank you very much |
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Bmagic |
@later tell mmorgan: So, I was wrong. My tests were using the staff action "Find another target" which as I have learned, is not the same thing as the hold targeter running. So, with the hold targeter running, it DOES pick another copy from the pool regardless of the proximity |
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pinesol_green |
Bmagic: The operation succeeded. |
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Bmagic |
@later tell Dyrcona: So, I was wrong. My tests were using the staff action "Find another target" which as I have learned, is not the same thing as the hold targeter running. So, with the hold targeter running, it DOES pick another copy from the pool regardless of the proximity |
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pinesol_green |
Bmagic: The operation succeeded. |
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