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Results for 2014-11-13

09:03 csharp btw, I'm one who would volunteer to help new devs get things up and running, for the record
09:03 wsmoak I don’t even know how much it would cost (or how it works) but what about some sort of image that runs on Amazon or Google’s  things?
09:04 wsmoak I’d be willing to pay for the server time (vs. running my own server here, which is probably what it would take…)
09:04 csharp you could definitely run a test server in the cloud, sure
09:04 wsmoak but I need my very own instance to break and then press a button and re-make
09:05 RoganH There are a couple of tools floating around for making VMs that you could do development on.
09:05 csharp you would need maybe 8 - 16 GB of storage, minimum 4 GB RAM, and 2 - 4 processor cords
09:05 mrpeters VM's and snapshots are the easy reset button :P
09:05 RoganH csharp: I thought you were going to break out into 80s power cords there for a minute.  :)
09:06 RoganH berick's scripts pop to mind which I've used
09:06 RoganH tsbere also has a method that I've heard good things about though I haven't tried it myself.  I know kmlussier uses it for building VMs for bug testing.
09:06 Stompro I really liked the Evergreen VM that used to be available.. but I realize that it takes a bit of work to keep it up to date.
09:07 wsmoak it needs to not be a separate thing that only new devs ever use … or it won’t get maintained
09:07 mrpeters yeah the vm thing never worked well
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09:12 wsmoak basically, I do not want to be a sysadmin.  I *can* do those things, I have done, but it’s not what I want to spend my time on these days.
09:12 RoganH Installing Evergreen really isn't that hard, it's just very time consuming and methodical, hence the tools to speed it up.
09:12 RoganH Note that these are for doing bug testing and development, not building a production environment.
09:12 mrpeters i'll give you time consuming for sure
09:13 mrpeters but, to fix bugs, you should be capable of installing OpenSRF/Evergreen
09:13 RoganH I agree.

Results for 2014-11-12

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08:37 bshum Stompro: I'm generally +1 to using the PostgreSQL apt repo and suggesting others to use newer PostgreSQL versions as long as the community users have had enough time to check things are working well.
08:37 bshum The trick is just getting enough testing done for all the combinations.
08:39 bshum That said, adding an extra repo might be more work than needed for some folks if the main repository for a given distribution already contains a reasonably new enough version of PostgreSQL.
08:39 * bshum is of many minds on much of this.
08:42 bshum Might be a good question to ask during the developer meeting this afternoon...
08:44 Stompro bshum: Thanks, I'll work on something for the upgrade/install docs.
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11:34 bshum Aha, okay
11:34 bshum So that's why we haven't noticed that issue yet.
11:34 bshum We're still doing it the old way
11:34 mrpeters yeah, they both work well, im just more comfortable with this method
11:35 mrpeters you can get some MONSTER xsl sheets when you're doing test's all throughout them
11:35 jboyer-isl Ah. mrpeters just wrap that circ.target_copy.call_number.label in helpers.escape_xml() and it will be fine. (but the old notices will stay busted.)
11:35 jboyer-isl In the A/T template, that is.
11:35 mrpeters jboyer-isl: oh, sweet...i can do that
14:09 bshum I know I need more time to digest things on that
14:09 * dbs disappears to do some hardware stuff, grr
14:10 bshum Let's defer on that subject till we get some more time to read through and respond to the latest?
14:10 kmlussier I plan to test it soon, but I haven't had a chance look closely enough to come up with any questions yet.
14:10 bshum Though I think for the action item, it's settled since it looks like dbwells did update the bug with new details.
14:10 bshum Next past item
14:10 bshum #info gmcharlt to release OpenSRF 2.4 when ready
14:44 Dyrcona It points at something of mine that no longer exists.
14:44 kmlussier The OPW wiki isn't an ideal place to share these scripts. If we think they might be useful to people, then maybe adding them to the install docs or the readme, as dbs previously suggested, is a good idea.
14:45 * Dyrcona puts curmudgeon hat on.
14:45 Dyrcona I think the current installation procedure is a good test for potential developers.
14:46 Dyrcona If you can't follow a README, do a manuals installation, and troubleshoot issues, you're going to have a very hard time later figuring out why your code broke something.
14:46 kmlussier Dyrcona: The curmudgeon hat suits you. :)
14:47 Stompro Dyrcona: I understand your view, but if people give up during the install phase, then there is never the possibility of them contributing at all.
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15:15 kmlussier krvmga: When I look at http://bark.cwmars.org/eg/opac/record/3254422?qu​ery=frozen%20-kjklfjdkaljfd;qtype=title;fg%3Afor​mat_filters=10;locg=1;expand=marchtml#marchtml, I still see a 246 with Disney Frozen
15:16 krvmga kmlussier: yes, jschrader added other 246 fields without "Disney" in them
15:17 kmlussier I would leave one 246 there that just says Frozen as a better test.
15:18 bshum parts++
15:18 kmlussier Heh...I was going to wait until you were on the road to do that.
15:18 krvmga kmlussier: she's not in the office today. when i see her next, we'll try and see.
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Results for 2014-11-11

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08:55 csharp yes
08:56 csharp oops - "yes" was meant for another window ;-)
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09:13 remingtron super old bug 921142 (heat 44!) ready for testing/pushing
09:13 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 921142 in Evergreen 2.4 "Fixed fields are required to have all positions entered. " (affected: 6, heat: 44) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/921142
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09:23 jeff next time, on "this old bug"
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13:13 csharp did anyone ever mirror the old SVN repo site?  I'm wondering if some old PINES development is still recoverable
13:15 csharp specifically, I'm looking for the bad debt interface that was briefly alive on our test server c. 2009
13:28 bshum csharp: Yeah I think MVLC has a mirror of the SVN
13:28 bshum Or a converted git copy anyways
13:28 bshum But I'm not sure
13:45 csharp I'm sure I just have a simple config option wrong
13:45 csharp and I'm doing copy paste coding right now without really knowing the knobs and switches for apache/mod_perl
13:52 eeevil csharp: that looks fine
13:52 csharp ok thanks
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14:13 csharp ah - that's interesting - no interface loads, but if I add anything to the url (e.g. https://test-brick01-head/baddebt/test), I get a downloaded CSV file that says Upload Failure
14:14 csharp I don't understand enough about perl/CGI to know how to get the show_template subroutine to work
14:21 csharp okay, so I can see that it at least is running the handler subroutine, but I don't see where show_template is invoked in that
14:23 eeevil csharp: it seems it's not. http://pastie.org/9712488 should do it.  I'll look at the git history right quick
14:25 csharp eeevil++ # that did it
14:25 eeevil cool. if you bug it I'll toss up a branch, eh?
14:27 csharp sure thing
14:28 csharp well, after I figure out why my test.csv file resulted in "Upload Failure" ;-)
14:28 csharp ah - yeah, we're suffering bitrot here: Method [open-ils.cstore.direct.mon​ey.billable_xact.retrieve] not found for service open-ils.cstore
14:29 csharp I'll look into it, now that I've got the scent ;-)
14:31 jeff downtrodden and bitrotten
14:32 eeevil ah, well, that'd be ungood to continue using in any case.  it needs to be moved to pcrud re "no more private services in mod_perl" (but that's a broader project which will likely include IDL changes)
14:32 csharp oh - ok
15:21 hopkinsju Pssh. More like Google Earth
15:21 bshum If my client is any indication
15:21 dbs csharp: mebbe!
15:22 csharp I have a crazy ticket in from one of our libraries where the production client is auto-updating itself to the test client version
15:22 bshum I think there are some fun color/font addons you can use from Firefox to make your staff client more interesting looking :)
15:23 csharp they swear that they aren't caching anything, but it's happening now when the test server is completely down
15:23 dbs "evergreen -ProfileManager" to create a new profile maybe
15:23 bshum It could be a bad upgrade path
15:23 bshum Or cross-shared hostname/versions between your test and production environments.
15:23 csharp I've tried to recreate the issue with no success
15:23 bshum Like go to the test server to get your updates
15:23 hopkinsju Do you have the test client build on the production server by mistake?
15:23 csharp autoupdate host on the production clients is next.gapines.org... oh
15:23 bshum Or like the test server client was installed with the same path as production
15:24 csharp s/production clients/test clients/g
15:24 csharp I wonder if they've been using test clients from last year's upgrade with the next.gapines.org path this whole time
15:25 bshum Could be
15:25 csharp huh - that's a distinct possibility
15:25 csharp I only have random screenshots
15:25 * bshum loves the time that a library was using the test server hostname as production for a few days before we noticed things seemed... wrong.
15:26 csharp OMG, that's happened to us too
15:26 bshum That's why I have completely different stamping now for our test group and production groups.
15:26 csharp I thought about that, but I didn't want to create a stumbling block for testing
15:26 * bshum wants more Evergreen staff client logo colors.
15:26 bshum Red and orange/yellow aren't enough!
15:27 bshum But yeah
15:27 bshum I use rigbeta for my test server clients
15:27 bshum And rigrelease for my regular production ones
15:28 bshum So any red icon'd staff client for us is a test one
15:28 bshum And orange/yellow = production
15:28 bshum But as you say, we don't have nearly as much end-user library testing as we'd perhaps wish for.
15:29 csharp we use the red icon for testing too
15:30 jeff one of our "test before upgrade" setups had a garish yellow background in many staff (especially circ-related) interfaces to avoid the "oops, did production work in test env" situation.
15:30 jeff but it would be nice to have support for that baked in, maybe as a new feature in the web client.
15:31 jeff pre-login/post-login message / banner / popup, banner across the entire top of the page, or some combination of those things.
15:33 bshum Hmm
15:33 bshum I don't see why not
15:35 csharp we used to use the "reddish" opac theme on our test server, but that didn't help from the client
15:35 bshum Oh that's a throwback to the old days :)
15:35 bshum I guess those files still exist.  We need to finish ripping all that out sometime...
15:36 csharp so theoretically, if the client has next.gapines.org in its autoupdate.js file, it might grab those update files even if it's logging into gapines.org?
15:37 csharp well, the next server hasn't been updated since last year
15:37 bshum Since that's where it'd check towards
15:37 bshum Not the hostname you enter
15:37 csharp right
15:37 csharp okay - this is making more sense now
15:39 csharp it never occurred to me that staff would be using test clients in production without realizing it
15:39 csharp but we've never disallowed them in production either (via symlink)
15:40 bshum Indeed.
16:33 * jeff laughs at himself
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16:38 kmlussier dbwells++
16:39 kmlussier I'll try to fit in testing the new Negative Balance branch as soon as I can.
16:39 * kmlussier disappears again.
16:43 jeff mumble mumble billing mumble mumble
16:43 jeff mous and mus can differ when there are closed xacts with non-zero balance_owed.
16:44 jeff and the number of users where SUM(mmbxs.balance_owed) <> mous.balance_owed is different from the number of distinct users where mmbxs.xact_finish IS NOT NULL AND mmbxs.balance_owed <> 0

Results for 2014-11-10

08:24 bshum Fair enough, just checking.
08:25 * bshum is always antsy when it comes to backporting SQL upgrades to older versions.
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08:28 csharp bshum: fwiw, I tested in master and 2.5.1 when I signed off
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08:30 bshum csharp: For your addition, putting the DROP TRIGGER IF EXISTS in the base schema, do we need that in the base schema?  I figure we don't need it when creating fresh DBs
08:30 bshum Definitely handy for the upgrade script though
10:00 kmlussier mmorgan++ #Thanks!
10:01 kmlussier yboston: You're assigned to bug 1287791. Are you still looking at that one?
10:01 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1287791 in Evergreen "More right-click authority cleanup" (affected: 1, heat: 8) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1287791 - Assigned to Yamil (ysuarez)
10:01 * kmlussier can load it on a Sandbox if you want to test it.
10:01 yboston no, I would need the help of one of the catalogers here, but they are not available
10:02 kmlussier yboston: OK, should I remove you for now in case somebody else wants to test it?
10:02 yboston yes
10:04 kmlussier Hmmm...I might be able to test that one if there were more info in the bug report on what I should be looking for.
10:13 csharp looks like bug 1175308 is relevant
10:13 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1175308 in Evergreen "MARC editor right-click authority search is confusing" (affected: 3, heat: 16) [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1175308
10:18 kmlussier csharp: Thanks, that helps a little bit, but still doesn't tell me the problem bug 1287791 is trying to solve. I'll post a comment on the bug to see if I can get more details.
10:45 * tsbere probably doesn't have time to obtain said understanding at the moment either
10:46 csharp tsbere: understood
10:54 eeevil kmlussier: the pre-patch bug is that we were searching on all subfields, not just controlled ones, with the right-click. so, extraneous (from the authority  POV) breaks the search
10:54 kmlussier eeevil: OK, thanks. If I have a moment, I'll see if I can replicate it then test the fix.
11:08 jeff nice thing about trying to use gmail keyboard shortcuts in irc, since most don't involve an Enter, you have a chance to catch your mistake before sharing it with the world.
11:09 mrpeters lol jeff
11:09 mrpeters i always liked the gmail labs app to solve a math problem before you send
11:26 kmlussier eeevil++ #Helping to rescue paxed's patch
11:26 * mrpeters tries to install Evergreen without OpenSRF -- fail!
11:27 mrpeters im spoiled not installing by hand anymore heh
11:37 eeevil kmlussier++ # testing patches!
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11:40 kmlussier eeevil: Heh, I'm actually doing very little testing today, but maybe I can get some done this afternoon.
11:43 mrpeters hrmmm
11:43 mrpeters 14.04 not liking OpenSRF master
11:43 mrpeters checking for apache2... no
12:29 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1208915 in Evergreen "Apache 2.4.6 warns about eg.conf" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Undecided,New]
12:29 bshum Actually yeah nevermind
12:29 bshum I got it
12:30 berick i have a jessie vm i can test on if needed
12:30 bshum We already fixed it in another bug
12:30 bshum Looks like a dupe remnant
12:31 berick cool
12:50 mrpeters anyone else using opensrf/evergreen master (as of today) on 14.04?  getting nothing relevant in logs about this 500 error
12:50 mrpeters apache 2.4.7, fwiw
12:51 * csharp learns that "propagation" of authority records is limited to linking with bibs
12:51 bshum mrpeters: My test VM is 14.04 with master as of a few days ago and have no errors.
12:51 mrpeters opensrf master too?
12:51 bshum Yes
12:51 mrpeters damn, i hate wasting half a day i could have been looking at bugs trying to get this running
13:33 dbs could be that the servers are overloaded because of the Firefox Dev release today :?
13:37 Dyrcona Could be....
13:38 kmlussier jihpringle: Do you use the Load Catalog Record IDS interface in acq at all?
13:38 jihpringle we've testes it but don't really use it
13:38 jihpringle testes = tested
13:38 csharp hmm - that setting is not stopping authority propogation - looks like if the reingest on same marc setting is enabled, it just powers through
13:39 * csharp consider re-adding the old setting
13:39 kmlussier Ah, ok. We don't use it much either, but I'm noticing that it has a "Load more terms" button. The label doesn't make sense to me.
14:50 eeevil the mines, they are ready
14:50 csharp thanks
14:50 csharp ;-)
14:53 * mmorgan resurfaces from testing lp 1210541 if anyone wants to have a look.
14:53 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1210541 in Evergreen "Copy locations table should have a 'deleted' flag" (affected: 9, heat: 52) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210541
14:53 mmorgan jboyer-isl++
14:55 jboyer-isl Stompro++ for finding the seed data damage I left in there.
16:41 bshum Looks reasonable to me.
16:42 mmorgan Invalid it is!
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20:58 pinesol_green [evergreen|Thomas Berezansky] LP#1012308: Teach the staff client to use titlesort - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b343d1c>
20:59 bshum Calling 0897
21:06 pinesol_green [evergreen|Chris Sharp] LP#1391290: Respect setting to disable authority propagation on reingest - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b72d5f6>
21:06 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1391290: Stamping upgrade script for authority reingest setting - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=afe883f>
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21:22 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Etheridge] LP#1386260: DST bugs in perl live tests (03-overdue_circ.t) - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=af46860>
21:22 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Etheridge] LP#1386260: DST bugs in perl live tests (04-overdue_with_closed_dates.t) - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=600b508>
21:22 bshum Maybe now we'll have a happy live test again :)
21:22 bshum phasefx++
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21:40 pinesol_green [evergreen|Josh Stompro] LP#1133158 - Fix typos in action_trigger_runner.pl - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ff79901>

Results for 2014-11-09

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Results for 2014-11-07

09:32 mmorgan looks like a lot of those for the same threadtrace.
09:35 csharp yeah - there's a duration for each individual opensrf message
09:36 mmorgan ok, so the actual time of the transaction is the difference between the first and last timestamp for the threadtrace?
09:36 csharp also, it depends on your loglevel (set in opensrf_core.xml) as to whether you get duration for full "transactions" (for lack of a better term to describe something like a checkin)
09:36 csharp yes
09:37 csharp if you up one of the loglevel values to debug (4), you get more information
09:37 csharp but also far larger log files, so it's a tradeoff
09:39 csharp I think it's the private opensrf loglevel that you'd need to increase - we do that on test servers, but not production
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09:41 mmorgan ok thanks. This is all really helpful. I spend a fair amount of time poking through logs, nice to understand them a little better.
09:41 mmorgan csharp++
10:39 jeff bshum: nagios checks for ntp are handy there.
10:43 bshum jeff: I'll add it to my  list of things to build into my monitoring server
10:43 bshum When I build it later :)
10:44 csharp jeff: great idea
10:45 csharp Dyrcona: awesome!  I'm using yesterday's version on a test server now
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10:51 Dyrcona csharp: cool. I'm testing the command line options to skip browse, search and facet reingest and just do the record attributes, now.
10:51 * csharp signs off on the fix for bug 1390225
10:51 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1390225 in Evergreen 2.7 "auth timeout redirect causes an error" (affected: 1, heat: 8) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1390225
10:51 csharp Dyrcona: rock on
12:06 Dyrcona Ah, so looks like it is time to upgrade, then. :)
12:07 jeff well past.
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12:20 Stompro Dyrcona: auto-updates - I think it is more complex than that, at lease for my testing system.  Looks like the auto-update requires a valid SSL cert, and some options that are set at configure time.  And it doesn't look like the auto-update works if I used the staff client listed on the egdownloads page, you have to have already installed a custom built staff client.
12:21 tsbere Stompro: Auto-updates don't work with community staff clients, but you don't have to use configure-time options. Staff-client build time options work as well, though the configure time options speed that up. As for the valid SSL cert, if your update host starts with http:// you can bypass that (though I wouldn't do that for production systems)
12:22 * tsbere will also admit to not having *tested* http:// updates in quite a while, though
12:23 Stompro tsbere: Thanks for the tips.
12:24 tsbere Stompro: Oh, and while it is certaintly *easier* when it is, your updates host doesn't have to be the same server as your evergreen install.
12:26 Dyrcona Heh. You'd think I would have rememberd updates_host. I just did an update with updates-client this morning. :p
12:48 Dyrcona I'll leave that up to you and dbwells to decide. :)
13:04 * phasefx_ has a fix for lp1386260 if someone wants to poke at it
13:06 bshum bug 1386260
13:06 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1386260 in Evergreen "DST bugs in perl live tests" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1386260 - Assigned to Jason Etheridge (phasefx)
13:08 phasefx_ you can do perl live_t/03-overdue_circ.t to test on a stock install with concerto
13:09 * phasefx_ will add that to the bug
13:10 Dyrcona csharp: I pushed the changes I mentioned to my evergreen_utilities repo. I also made a change to db_upgrade.pl, but you probably don't use that one.
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13:14 Dyrcona csharp: might want to wait. I just noticed a serious thinko/bug in my pingest changes. It won't work right as is if you try to do attribute and search or facet ingest at the same time.
13:19 phasefx oy, I just fixed one test.. not all of them, doh
13:39 csharp Dyrcona: no problem - I haven't pulled in today's changes yet
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13:40 phasefx alright, fix re-pushed for bug 1386260  :-)
13:40 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1386260 in Evergreen "DST bugs in perl live tests" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1386260 - Assigned to Jason Etheridge (phasefx)
13:41 Dyrcona csharp: I'm having some "fun" with a little hidden global variable voodo.... I was wondering why it worked at all until I noticed a little $lists++; tucked away in the browse_ingest subroutine.
13:42 jeff blargh. character encoding issues.
13:44 Dyrcona Anyway, the bug I noticed is that I had doubled the number of child processes without also adjusting the number of lists, so the program could exit prematurely.
13:49 Dyrcona Often makes those "vendor records" easier for MARC::Record to digest. Just ignore the comments in the output. :)
13:50 jeff no, if yaz-marcdump can't parse without errors/warnings, you reject the file ;-)
13:51 Dyrcona Then, I'd almost never load anything. ;)
13:51 jeff last if $outcount >= 50;
13:51 * jeff frowns
13:52 jeff i need to develop better habits with regard to "# XXX: remove after testing" or somesuch.
13:52 jeff though part of me wants hard limits (just not that low) in place for some automated things.
13:52 Dyrcona jeff: command line option to limit, by default set to zero, which means do the whole thing.
13:54 Dyrcona Well, perl -c says syntax OK. Guess that means I can commit. :)
13:54 tsbere jeff: I tend to use TODO for things I intend to change/remove before pushing, and XXX for things I see as longer-term warning notes
13:55 * jeff wonders what the larger convention is
13:55 jeff i suppose what matters most is the local / codebase convention
13:55 tsbere jeff: Oh, and "To whomever works on this code next:" for "we should do this later, because I am being lazy and don't feel like doing it now" (but I avoid doing that if I know what should be changed/done anyway)
13:59 Dyrcona jeff: I've sometimes added --dry-run or similar options to my own stuff for testing purposes.
13:59 * jeff nods
13:59 jeff lots of this kind of thing is solved by good habits early: config file, command line arguments, etc.
13:59 Dyrcona Or in a case where I was deleting files, a --delete option to actually do the delete, otherwise it just printed out what would be deleted without deleting.

Results for 2014-11-06

14:49 yboston remingtron: is that what you meant?
14:49 yboston I was not aware of that
14:50 remingtron hm, let me check his email...
14:50 yboston also, we could have the second server be used to test re-organizations
14:50 kmlussier It's not just the multiple builds. If we want to make changes to the docs site, it's good to have a place to test them out ahead of time before putting them into production.
14:50 yboston though in theory we can set up Robert's server to do that, though I beleive his servers are pretty taxed already
14:50 remingtron on 10/3/2014 Robert emailed me and yboston, saying he added a 1pm build time to his docs server
14:50 * kmlussier is thinking of some of the ideas snigdha26 raised at the last DIG meeting.
14:51 yboston I need to learn how to read better
14:51 remingtron yboston: no prob, you're a busy guy
14:52 remingtron yboston: did we have a potential host for our new test docs VM?
14:52 yboston PINES provides VMs for the EG community
14:52 yboston and Galen started the discussion on provisioning a server for us
14:53 remingtron anything we need to do to keep that moving forward?
14:58 yboston my apologies that we have hit the hour mark already, I can stay on longer
14:58 kmlussier But is this a leftover agenda item from last month?
14:59 yboston I thought ti was leftover, but I could be wrong
14:59 remingtron I don't recall discussing it much, or at least not deciding to try anything
14:59 remingtron maybe we got sidetracked with needing a test server
14:59 remingtron but I think we can decide to try things before the server is ready
15:00 kmlussier remingtron: I think we're in an awkward period at the moment because snigdha26 has incorporated a lot of these ideas in her proposal, but the application review period isn't over yet.
15:00 remingtron kmlussier: right, you mean that if accepted, she would do these things herself?
15:00 kmlussier remingtron: Yes, exactly.
16:09 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1390225 in Evergreen 2.7 "auth timeout redirect causes an error" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]
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16:11 jeff commit c2c720d is what i had way-back-when
16:11 jeff and the bot doesn't do working branches.
16:11 jeff c2c720d
16:11 jeff er, http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=worki​ng/Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2c72​0de6fb83aa1acc678de78a1695cf8201eb5
16:17 jeff eeevil: heh. specific to the issue in bug 1390225, i remembered that earlier this morning i had minimized a browser window to test that very thing. just un-minimized it, and guess what? error. :-)
16:17 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1390225 in Evergreen 2.7 "auth timeout redirect causes an error" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1390225
16:17 jeff eeevil: sorry for not thinking of that specific case in our conversation earlier. :-)
16:17 * jeff returns to looking oddly at this bib that is j in the leader but i in the mra
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17:04 gsams The system should be able to process the transactions pretty quickly, at least I would expect it to.  It's a source of confusion for me anyway
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17:26 gsams I'm thinking it might be exageration by circulation employees at the moment
17:26 gsams ran a test of 50 items in less than 50 seconds
17:27 gsams I might need to run that during different hours to test peak times
17:28 gsams of course, this library has some people that circulate 100-200 items at a time
17:46 gsams well, testing aside, how does this function in other systems?  Does anyone handle renewals concurrently?
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Results for 2014-11-05

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07:19 csharp @later tell Bmagic yeah, I've consistently seen that problem with the permissions group UI.  The problem with "just use the database" is that it puts a burden on system staff with server-level access to do things that should be available to non-technical users.
07:19 pinesol_green csharp: The operation succeeded.
09:16 bshum Before I cut 2.7.1 today, hoping finish looking over https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1366964
09:16 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1366964 in Evergreen "Transaction Issues with libdbi 0.9.0" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,Confirmed]
09:17 bshum And also, have to finish setting up my build environment to get the web client stuff properly into the tarball
09:18 csharp bshum: what would be the most effective way to test the fix to the libdbi bug?
09:19 csharp Dyrcona: weren't you only experiencing the issue under conditions of higher load?
09:19 * csharp re-reads
09:19 bshum csharp: I was going to try following what happened in the bug report as far as copy creation goes. And also figure out the perl test that was included.
09:20 csharp ah - there's a test
09:20 Dyrcona csharp: No, it had nothing to do with load. pcrud transactions simply failed.
09:20 bshum berick++
09:20 csharp Dyrcona: okay - my quick read several months ago clearly led to inaccurate impressions of the issue :-)
09:20 bshum csharp: If you have time to spare a look, extra eyes never hurt.
09:20 Dyrcona The fix is very simple and seems to work, but a mass delete script I tested on precise after applying the change gave me several "unknown errors."
09:21 csharp well, since we're an ubuntu shop, and this is a obvious impediment, I only think it fair that we participate ;-)
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09:58 * csharp tests the fix for bug 1366964 without issues
09:58 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1366964 in Evergreen "Transaction Issues with libdbi 0.9.0" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366964
09:58 berick to be clear, the fix to 1366964 doesn't prevent "unknown errors" (from the DB), it just allows cstore to recognize them as transient instead of "OMG DB IS DOWN"
09:58 csharp live test works fine
10:01 Dyrcona berick: I suspected as much. I'll sign off on it.
10:02 berick Dyrcona++
10:02 berick csharp++ # testing
10:02 Dyrcona If csharp wants to sign off, too, that's cool. I can wait and sign his branch then push that.
10:03 Dyrcona It's today we want to release the dot releases for 2.5, 2.6, and 2.7, right?
10:05 bshum Dyrcona: That's certainly my goal for 2.7.
10:06 bshum Dyrcona: Sounds right to me.
10:07 Dyrcona Will do.
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10:11 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1366964 Update libdbi connection test error parsing - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ca4e28a>
10:12 Dyrcona Done and done.
10:12 berick woot
10:13 Bmagic csharp: thanks for the feedback. Glad it's not just my system
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11:23 kmlussier jboyer-isl: Is bug 1210541 ready for a pullrequest tag?
11:23 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1210541 in Evergreen "Copy locations table should have a 'deleted' flag" (affected: 9, heat: 52) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210541 - Assigned to Jason Boyer (jboyer)
11:24 jboyer-isl I think so. I've tested it a bit but I haven't heard of anyone else trying it out.
11:26 jboyer-isl kmlussier, It worked well enough for me the day of the hackaway, for what that's worth.
11:26 kmlussier jboyer-isl: OK, I'll add one then. I think we have somebody here is interested in trying it out.
11:27 jboyer-isl Good to hear. Hopefully there's nothing to find. :)
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15:57 bshum Maybe it'll be helpful in my future
15:58 berick yeah, the git stuff was necessary on wheezy
15:58 bshum I'm still deciding if I want to upgrade my laptop to utopic unicorn...
15:59 berick well, hmm, trusty install 0.10.25.  earliest i tested was 0.10.28 --
16:00 berick not entirely sure what I just said is true, but likely true
16:00 bshum Heh
16:00 berick i'll give it a shot
16:01 bshum I didn't get to finish up the written instructions for the README in Evergreen for webclient building.
16:34 gmcharlt eeevil++
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16:54 phasefx that last failure includes one not related to DST: open-ils.cstore 2014-11-05 16:27:37 [ERR :21897:oils_sql.c:2483:] open-ils.cstore ERROR inserting config::copy_status object using query [INSERT INTO config.copy_status (holdable,id,name,opac_visible,c​opy_active,restrict_copy_delete) VALUES (DEFAULT,1,DEFAULT,DEFAULT,DEFAULT,DEFAULT);]: 0 ERROR:  null value in column "name" violates not-null constraint
16:55 bshum Hmm
16:56 bshum That's the new test
16:56 bshum For the libdbi thing?
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16:57 bshum Yep
16:57 phasefx the test itself didn't throw an error
16:58 bshum Hmm
16:58 phasefx live_t/08-lp1366964-libdbi-error.t ..... ok
16:59 berick that's supposed to happen
16:59 berick the point of the test is to see how it recovers from a DB error
16:59 dbwells That's great :)
17:00 phasefx k, then when we can tell the webifier thing to expect an error
17:00 * phasefx will poke
17:01 berick phasefx++
17:01 berick didn't realize it would bark at that
17:03 berick bshum: btw, initial test of nodejs package on trust looks good.  will document when i get some time
17:03 bshum berick++ # cool!
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17:08 phasefx for reference, http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=work​ing/random.git;a=commitdiff;h=298355​9ea27c6506f750a757e64d9bb4d5b43548   Haven't tested it yet
17:09 phasefx so that makes two exeptions that are DBI related :)
17:09 phasefx exceptions, even
17:10 bshum phasefx++ # nifty
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08:50 kmlussier mrpeters: DIG will take submissions in any format. We prefer AsciiDoc, but we have people who can convert content into AsciiDoc if it's submitted in another format.
08:52 mrpeters i can whip something up much quicker today without learning the formatting, though i probably should just do that
09:07 bshum eeevil: Hmm, should we push these changes to master/rel_2_7 as bug fixes? http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/​Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/co​llab/miker/web-client-sprint1-bug-fixing
09:08 bshum They're not attached to any particular LP, but I assume they should be tested and included.
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11:02 kmlussier rfrasur++
11:02 rfrasur Oy, we'll see.  Y'all know my lack of technical know how.  But...something is better than nothing, right?
11:04 yboston dwells: got a second?
11:05 kmlussier rfrasur: Our new Get Involved page may help - http://evergreen-ils.org/involvement/
11:06 kmlussier I'm going to update that page soonish to include testing too.
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11:06 rfrasur Perfect.
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13:21 berick bshum: I'll trade you bug #1366964 for bug #1369169
13:21 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1366964 in Evergreen "Transaction Issues with libdbi 0.9.0" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1366964
13:21 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1369169 in OpenSRF "Add install instructions for websockets to README (and other cleanup)" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1369169
13:24 Dyrcona berick: I can test 1366964. I was waiting until some other testing was done on a vm running precise, but the person I was working with is on vacation this week, I think.
13:25 berick Dyrcona: sweet..  well, except the part where you were trying to do something else and can't ;)
13:25 Dyrcona :)
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Results for 2014-11-03

15:27 hbrennan csharp: Are those dates pretty well locked in? It's a graduation weekend, so I need all the time I can get to make it work
15:30 csharp hbrennan: I don't have enough information to answer that, but from Buzzy's report to the EOB, it sounds firm
15:31 hbrennan csharp: Thanks
16:10 jeff perl packages that include Simple in the name yet depend on:
16:10 jeff ==> Found dependencies: Capture::Tiny, Sub::Exporter, MooX::Types::MooseLike::Base, Email::Abstract, Email::Simple, List::MoreUtils, Try::Tiny, Test::More, MooX::Types::MooseLike, Moo::Role, Throwable::Error, Module::Runtime, Moo, Sub::Exporter::Util, Email::Address
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16:15 jeff > 34 distributions installed
16:21 wsmoak well csharp this is no fun at all.  I talked to my local librarians and they say that all their issues with PINES are fixed promptly and they don’t really need anything. :)
16:21 kmlussier :D
16:22 kmlussier @praise PINES
16:42 frank__ yes, the problem is that we planned to upgrade to 2.6.3 until december, Is there something I could do to solve this problem without upgrade?
16:43 Dyrcona frank__: Upgrading is the best bet, but you could apply the code from the above bug.
16:48 frank__ ok Dyrcona, thanks
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Results for 2014-11-01

00:15 jeff i haven't yet dug further into why pcrud calls to delete queued bibs (vqbr) were failing for me earlier.
00:16 jeff (they've not yet been successful, but i last tried earlier today)
00:16 jeff works in test, of course.
00:16 jeff i am reminded again why it's so funny to consider naming a test environment "theory"
00:49 jeff hrm.
01:28 * bshum still enjoys his "theory" servers :)
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Results for 2014-10-30

09:10 * pinesol_green grabs some Apple Crisp for csharp
09:12 wsmoak good morning
09:12 wsmoak remind me… what version is Pines on? (Is there a way I can tell?)  https://gapines.org/eg/opac/home
09:12 csharp wsmoak: we're on 2.5.1
09:12 csharp well, with backports, so 2.5.1+
09:13 csharp wsmoak: we have a test server running 2.7.0 at http://next.gapines.org if you're interested in that too
09:13 wsmoak well, I guess that will shortcut me going to talk to the librarian to figure out where the IT folks are :)
09:14 bshum csharp++
09:14 csharp wsmoak: are you at a PINES library?
10:49 jboyer-isl jeff, Thanks, I must not have been searching for the right thing because I didn't find either of those.
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11:15 yboston Hello everyone, I could use some advice about upgrading Postgres 9.1 to 9.2 on a test server.
11:15 yboston I want to set up this test server with production data, but my hosted productions server is running PG 9.2
11:15 yboston I have used apt-get to install postgres-9.2 on a EG 2.6.2 server, and I just ran pg_upgradecluster and got the following errors that makes me think I might have missed some steps
11:15 pastebot "yboston" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "errors running pg_upgrade_cluster" (465 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/10
11:16 yboston I ran: pg_dropcluster --stop 9.2 main   then pg_upgradecluster 9.1 main
11:16 yboston ^^ here are the errors
11:21 yboston Dyrcona: thanks again
11:24 yboston I wonder if it would be easier in the future to tweak the EG intall makefiles so that when I install EG I end up with PG 9.2 instead of 9.1?
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11:25 bshum yboston: I've done that before for some of my test servers where the default was 9.1 but I wanted 9.3.
11:25 bshum Lots of paths to completion :)
11:26 dbwells jboyer-isl: We had a computer science project team work on building a mapping system prototype for us last Dec.  It never made it to production in any form.  Still, I think I am going to try to find that code, and will post it if it is available somewhere.
11:26 Dyrcona yboston: If I've wanted something other than the default Pg version for my distro, I've usually installed the appropriate PG packages first, and then I install Evergreen.
11:27 jboyer-isl dbwells: thanks, that would be cool.
12:33 * phasefx deletes his unfillable hold now
12:33 bshum kmlussier: I wonder if that's a matter of adding ffilter="true" to the parts field in hold_pull_list.tt2
12:34 bshum If so, then fwiw, Copy Status is also not a field you can filter on?
12:34 kmlussier Really? I didn't notice that one.
12:34 kmlussier I was thinking it was probably a simple thing to fix, but I hadn't gotten around to looking at it.
12:36 kmlussier bshum: copy status gives the appearance of being sortable. But the system I'm on shows all available items, so I can't test it out to make sure it works.
12:36 bshum kmlussier: Hmm, fsort=false
12:36 bshum Is next to the parts one
12:37 * bshum sighs
12:49 bshum Yep, changing that to fsort="true" adds a selector for parts sorting
12:49 bshum Since that's always been false, since the initial add of the simplified pull list, I'd be curious if there was a design reason for that, but I doubt it.
12:50 bshum Open-ILS/src/templates/circ/hold_pull_list.tt2
12:51 kmlussier IIRC, parts weren't displaying at all during my early tests of the simplified pull lists. I'm guessing it the sorting was overlooked when it was added to the display.
12:52 kmlussier And then it was overlooked when I tested it. :(
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13:57 csharp @karma vandelay
13:57 pinesol_green csharp: Karma for "vandelay" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
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14:32 mmorgan hbrennan: As long as no one runs the "Clear holdshelf" process, the item will stay on the holdshelf.
14:33 hbrennan mmorgan: That process isn't just pulling up the list from Circ> Clear Hold Shelf, right? It's the actual check in of the item to either clear it back to Available or jump to the next person in line?
14:34 hbrennan It's times like this that I really need a time machine so I can fast forward and test things like this
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14:35 csharp hbrennan: correct, as far as I remember
14:36 berick hbrennan: just to clarify, clear shelf cancels the hold then generates a report of likely next actions for the item (hold, transit, back to shelf).  it doesn't actualy perform the checkin.
14:36 hbrennan csharp: I'm glad I'm not the only one with a fuzzy recollection on how this works
14:36 csharp check in of the item will change its status
14:37 csharp hbrennan: oh, and we don't have a time machine, but our test server is the best we can get: http://next.gapines.org
14:37 csharp ;-)
14:37 hbrennan Excellent. The reason I ask is that our hold notices for email and text clogged up, and haven't gone out since Monday. Everyone received their notice this morning, but the time has been ticking since Monday.
14:38 hbrennan I'm glad we have a little control over the process. :)
14:39 hbrennan berick: So if we don't pull items from the clear list, those items are essentially in limbo... neither still officially on hold for the original person, but not starting the clock for the next in line either?
16:31 mmorgan berick: hbrennan: not to labor the point about clearing the holdshelf (ok, I will :)) after the hold is cancelled, the item does indeed show in browse holds shelf, but you can't tell where it is just by looking at the *item*
16:37 berick mmorgan: well, dang.  i guess you can't
16:42 mmorgan Yeah :-(, lp 1271182
16:42 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1271182 in Evergreen "Item status set as "incorrectly set to on holds shelf"" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1271182
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07:09 csharp @later tell kmlussier I see three messages from yesterday that I received and are showing on the archives: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-o​versight-board/2014-October/date.html#start - Buzzy's message was caught in moderation because he's not subscribed to the list - are there more?
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