| 11:23 |
Bmagic |
I wonder if the order needs to specify the system in order for the query to identify the shelving ID |
| 11:24 |
tsbere |
Dunno. |
| 11:24 |
tsbere |
Can't even speculate at this point. ;) |
| 11:58 |
berick |
Bmagic: csharp: fyi, pushed more fixes to bug 1373690 (edi template). thanks again for all the testing |
| 11:58 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1373690 in Evergreen "Direct EDI generation for ACQ orders -- AKA kill ruby webrick" (affected: 1, heat: 8) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373690 - Assigned to Bill Erickson (berick) |
| 12:01 |
kmlussier |
Webby is very slow this morning. Is work being done on it? |
| 12:02 |
phasefx |
kmlussier: don't think so |
| 12:16 |
phasefx |
seems to be okay to me; running to lunch :) |
| 12:18 |
csharp |
well, the biggest problem with branch level copy locations I've seen is that, when combined with system-level cataloging, the copies can end up belonging to another branch's location (when locations are named the same across branches) - but that's fixed in bug 778989 |
| 12:18 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 778989 in Evergreen "Owning lib of asset.copy_location not visible in Item Attributes Editor UI" (affected: 3, heat: 16) [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/778989 |
| 12:27 |
csharp |
berick: I'm afraid I'm going to have to wait for Leslie to get back to test correctly - I don't want to risk placing actual orders and confusing people because I don't know what I'm doing :-/ |
| 12:27 |
csharp |
but that said, |
| 12:27 |
csharp |
berick++ |
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kmlussier |
phasefx: Works now. Thanks! |
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kmlussier |
phasefx++ |
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csharp |
Bmagic++ |
| 14:54 |
Bmagic |
gotta stop giving me karma, it's gonna get destroyed, lol |
| 14:54 |
berick |
hah |
| 14:54 |
Bmagic |
let's do all this EDI testing after the karmapocolypse |
| 14:58 |
* berick |
promises to manually carry over Bmagic's EDI karma |
| 14:58 |
Bmagic |
haha, I'm just kidding, I dont care |
| 14:58 |
berick |
ok, down to the last (obvious) problem. fixing.. |
| 15:48 |
bshum |
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1456289 - if memory serves, Bmagic and I saw this on 2.7 too, and it's cause autogen.sh wasn't run on the system with apache restarted |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1456289 in Evergreen "Tpac "edit" link on record screen does not save changes" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] |
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kmlussier |
Ah! I recall that one. |
| 15:50 |
bshum |
I'll put a note on the bug to that effect I guess |
| 15:50 |
bshum |
And we can probably close it with invalid. |
| 16:01 |
bshum |
gmcharlt: eeevil: mllewynn tells me that the vandelay loader for web client works fine (we tested it on our test server). |
| 16:01 |
bshum |
She also says that the flat text editor doesn't stay as the default option when opening additional records (aka, remain checked) |
| 16:01 |
bshum |
But otherwise, the sprint2 stuff so far, so good |
| 16:06 |
Bmagic |
berick: 2.7.0 |
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berick |
Bmagic: thanks |
| 16:14 |
tsbere |
Basically a single-machine brick |
| 16:14 |
tsbere |
I can't even see an *attempt* at making the call in the server logs. |
| 16:16 |
berick |
seems like the CONNECT is failing / not returning, so the .begin is never attempted |
| 16:17 |
jeff |
tsbere: what specific pcrud-based interface(s) are you testing with? |
| 16:18 |
tsbere |
Parts creation. Apparently from any interface you can create parts. |
| 16:22 |
bshum |
Parts... sigh. |
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| 16:44 |
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glares even more as now everything is working |
| 16:44 |
tsbere |
and nobody changed anything. I have just been trying to find logs. |
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kmlussier |
Good morning #evergreen |
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kmlussier |
Ah, I forgot about that bug. |
| 10:46 |
bshum |
kmlussier: These bugs haunt my dreams. |
| 10:46 |
jwoodard |
NTLC aka North Texas Library Consortium in case everyone cannot read my mind or auto guess acronyms ;) |
| 10:46 |
bshum |
jwoodard: I've had some passing familiarity with NTLC ;) |
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bshum |
jwoodard: So my recommendation is to mention the issue up your chain of support, and see if they can test your bib/item and see if there are problems with the reingest on that record. |
| 10:57 |
bshum |
Something like: SELECT COUNT(*) FROM biblio.record_entry WHERE deleted = FALSE AND id NOT IN (SELECT source FROM metabib.record_attr_vector_list); |
| 10:57 |
bshum |
Would tell you how many bibs (which are not deleted) do not have a proper corresponding metabib.record_attr_vector_list entry |
| 10:58 |
bshum |
I just ran that on our systems and came up with 13 bibs, which makes me a little sad. |
| 10:58 |
csharp |
yay! 0 in PINES |
| 10:59 |
* csharp |
fully expected to see more than 0 |
| 10:59 |
bshum |
csharp: Amazing! |
| 11:02 |
bshum |
In case you wanted the exact bib IDs for those missing entries |
| 11:02 |
mmorgan |
bshum++ |
| 11:03 |
bshum |
mmorgan: Yeah, if you follow rjackson_isl's steps in his comment on that bug for a post-2.6 system, you can repair those missing entries. |
| 11:03 |
berick |
csharp: have you done any additional testing on EDI since your last comments in bug #1342227 ? |
| 11:03 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1342227 in Evergreen "Setting up EDI Fails with Ruby version > 1.8" (affected: 2, heat: 14) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1342227 |
| 11:04 |
jwoodard |
bshum: Already sent an email. Proper training and database access are one of the many thing on my list of things to accomplish. |
| 11:04 |
jwoodard |
bshum++ kmlussier++ |
| 11:15 |
jeff |
but i think it's pretty rare. we have two. |
| 11:16 |
* bshum |
thanksfully has 0 |
| 11:16 |
bshum |
And I'll go back to blissfully not thinking about billing weirdness. |
| 11:17 |
csharp |
berick: no - I didn't put together a good way to test on the stock EG master machine I was on |
| 11:17 |
csharp |
berick: I was able to see the daemon running, though |
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mmorgan |
Whew! we have 0 for jeff's query :) |
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csharp |
0 for jeff's query here too |
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yboston |
Hello everyone, DIG will need access to a test server running 2.8.x, I suspect we may be able to use webby? Any other recommendations? |
| 11:55 |
tsbere |
yboston: kmlussier may be willing to spin up one of the masslnc test boxes for ya, though those don't get the web client going currently. |
| 11:55 |
yboston |
tsbere: thanks |
| 11:56 |
kmlussier |
yboston: The server on the community servers page already has 2.8. But, as tsbere said, it doesn't have webby. |
| 11:56 |
kmlussier |
I usually use webby for web client docs. |
| 14:30 |
dbs |
https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1031335 I think? |
| 14:30 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1031335 in Evergreen 2.7 "Email templates should always escape headers" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Undecided,Confirmed] |
| 14:32 |
dbs |
tsbere: around, but not in a headspace to recall or revisit library/copy ranking design decisions very effectively |
| 14:47 |
mmorgan |
Anyone around to poke webby? I was hoping to test a few things, but can't login :-( |
| 14:58 |
mmorgan |
Hey, webby's back! Thanks to whoever poked! |
| 14:58 |
eeevil |
mmorgan: the drive's filled up, I'm looking for places to free space now |
| 14:58 |
eeevil |
it'll die before too long ;) |
| 14:59 |
mmorgan |
Aww. That's sad :-( |
| 14:59 |
bshum |
Like a balloon inflating till it explodes. |
| 14:59 |
bshum |
*pop* |
| 15:01 |
mmorgan |
When dev servers get endearing names like 'webby', it's sad when they go away. |
| 15:03 |
berick |
mmorgan: wait til you're testing on "widdlepuppy" |
| 15:05 |
mmorgan |
widdlepuppy? I can't stand it! ;-) |
| 15:14 |
eeevil |
mmorgan: ok, it should stay up for a while, cleared about 500MB. we'll look at increasing space generally soon |
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mmorgan |
eeevil++ |
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bshum |
Though I'm unsure if maybe there were weird permission issue or something. |
| 09:31 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I got several errors about stuff not being installed/not able to be opened without the sudo. |
| 09:31 |
Dyrcona |
With sudo, it just worked. |
| 09:31 |
bshum |
You testing with Ubuntu 12.04 or 14.04? |
| 09:37 |
bshum |
Alright, so I can't find the branch anywhere, so I must have just been modifying a local copy Evergreen-README on lupin directly. We can diff those changes against master and get a branch started though. |
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Dyrcona |
14.04 |
| 09:55 |
bshum |
Dyrcona: I pushed a collab branch with the changes I started to http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/collab/bshum/README-webclient |
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| 11:42 |
jjk |
Good morning |
| 11:42 |
jeff |
jjk: good morning! |
| 11:43 |
jjk |
I'm attempting to upgrade an older 2.3 install to the current version but have run into issues with the database schema updates. I'm hoping some folks here can point me in the right direction. |
| 11:45 |
jjk |
I have a test database that started at 2.3.5 and I've successfully run the schema updates all the way up to 2.3.12. |
| 11:47 |
jjk |
When trying to upgrade the schema using 2.3-2.4.0-upgrade-db.sql I quickly receive the following errors: |
| 11:47 |
jjk |
psql:version-upgrade/2.3-2.4.0-upgrade-db.sql:96: NOTICE: extension "tsearch2" already exists, skipping |
| 11:47 |
jjk |
psql:version-upgrade/2.3-2.4.0-upgrade-db.sql:98: ERROR: cannot drop extension tsearch2 because other objects depend on it |
| 11:48 |
jjk |
I've not found much in the way of similar issues. |
| 11:53 |
bshum |
jjk: So that sounds like you have something custom in your database that relies on tsearch2 extension |
| 11:54 |
bshum |
I found something like that when we upgraded as well, some locally created views for reporting had used that extension and needed to be rewritten |
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* bshum |
upgraded forever ago and doesn't remember how he ultimately identified all the things that used that extension. |
| 11:57 |
jjk |
bshum: Thanks. I'll look at the reports. |
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bshum |
jjk: Out of curiosity, what version of PostgreSQL are you using for your tests? |
| 12:01 |
bshum |
(i.e. did you also test upgrading your postgresql installation to newer versions 9.1+) |
| 12:02 |
bshum |
And you might find it interesting |
| 12:02 |
bshum |
To try the drop extension directly |
| 12:02 |
bshum |
And see if it spits back what is still depending on it |
| 12:03 |
bshum |
Hmm |
| 12:03 |
bshum |
csharp: Did we archive the old evergreen-admin mailing list? |
| 12:04 |
bshum |
csharp: Nevermind, found what I was looking for |
| 12:04 |
bshum |
jjk: You might see some value in discussion from this mailing list entry: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/evergreen-admin/2014-May/000086.html |
| 12:05 |
jjk |
bshum: I'm running 9.1 on Debian, specifically 9.1.14-0+deb7u1 |
| 12:05 |
bshum |
jjk: Based on what they say there, I would check to make sure the search_path is set right, and then see if there's any "DETAIL" that comes up after the "ERROR" part when you try to drop the extension. |
| 12:05 |
bshum |
~search_path |
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kmlussier |
Wow! That was fast. Thanks gmcharlt! |
| 14:08 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:19 |
jeffdavis |
What's the status of NCIPServer? |
| 14:22 |
kmlussier |
jeffdavis: We have it in testing now to use with AutoGraphics. |
| 14:22 |
jeffdavis |
kmlussier: that's excellent, thank you |
| 14:24 |
Dyrcona |
jeffdavis: You can't use the master branch with Evergreen at the moment. |
| 14:24 |
Dyrcona |
rangi or someone (me?) has to do some integration. I changed the interfaces a good bit. |
| 14:29 |
Dyrcona |
And sometimes different products from the same vendor. |
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jeffdavis |
Dyrcona: ah yes, "standards" that are actually their own special case of https://xkcd.com/927/ -- good times! |
| 14:31 |
bshum |
Haha, the hover is funny |
| 14:32 |
bshum |
Stompro++ # tested the change for OpenSRF instructions for Ejabberd for Debian Jessie and they look good. I'll sign and push that on for a future OpenSRF 2.4.1 release. |
| 14:33 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I don't even really consider NCIP to be a standard myself. It's list of features that you can implement. |
| 14:34 |
Dyrcona |
And every vendor seems to pick their own way to do things, and too many messages are similar, but different. |
| 14:34 |
Dyrcona |
So, yeah, we need an actual standard. |
| 15:24 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: set passwd = 'new password' ;) |
| 15:24 |
Bmagic |
oh, lol |
| 15:24 |
bshum |
Bmagic: You can just do UPDATE actor.usr SET passwd = 'something' WHERE id = sillyuser; |
| 15:24 |
Stompro |
bshum, it took me a while to add the second example to the docs also... I thought I compiled it and tested how it looked, did you not like how it looked or did it break when you tried it. |
| 15:24 |
bshum |
and the function will hash it out for you |
| 15:25 |
Bmagic |
great! that worked |
| 15:25 |
bshum |
Stompro: I was just trying to see if I could make it more consistent looking with the rest of the styling. |
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mmorgan |
mrpeters: Not an expert, but I don't know of any other way to do that. |
| 16:44 |
Dyrcona |
I was going to say that I think it is the only way to do it, but got sidetracked. |
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mrpeters |
mmorgan: i didnt think so either, but so much awesome stuff has been done with the in-staff client configuration menus that i wasnt sure |
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pinesol_green |
[opensrf|Ben Shum] Docs: Keep all source syntax consistent in README - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=ef80e4c> |
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[opensrf|Ben Shum] Docs: Add [source, bash] to code blocks that were not defined in README - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=52b6eca> |
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pinesol_green |
[opensrf|Josh Stompro] LP#1445503 - Updated Ejabberd setup steps for Ejabberd 14.x for Debian Jessie - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=e421bb3> |
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pinesol_green |
[opensrf|Ben Shum] Docs: Fix mailing list link for help in README - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=OpenSRF.git;a=commit;h=966fb05> |
| 17:18 |
bshum |
I give up on the asciidoc syntax for now. I will slay that eventually though. |
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bshum |
So, for the Evergreen bugs targeting issues with Debian Jessie |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Josh Stompro] LP#1445187 - Force disable of deflate - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b949202> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Josh Stompro] LP#1362260 - Email::Sender/libemail-send-perl change in Jessie - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ad879d4> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Josh Stompro] LP#1445182 Changed Debian Jessie dependency install to use packages for dbi dbd-pgsql. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d5089b7> |
| 17:54 |
bshum |
Stompro++ # I pushed ahead everything and I seem to be well on my way towards a happy Jessie test server. |
| 18:08 |
bshum |
Hmm |
| 18:10 |
bshum |
Looks like we'll need to create a file for 000.english.pg94.fts-config.sql |
| 18:10 |
bshum |
In order for PG 9.4 to be used when creating the database |
| 18:11 |
bshum |
To test, I've just copied the 93 one to be named 94 and seeing how that goes. |
| 18:25 |
bshum |
I appended my findings to the bug |
| 18:30 |
bshum |
Stompro: I set https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1445150 back to Triaged while we test the last little bit I think we need to create a working database on PG 9.4 using the scripts. |
| 18:30 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1445150 in Evergreen 2.7 "Debian Jessie includes Postgresql 9.4 - update software dependency makefile" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,Triaged] |
| 18:31 |
bshum |
When we get time, someone else should check that initial working branch, and then make any special adjustments. |
| 18:31 |
bshum |
Otherwise, as far as I can see, I have a functional Evergreen install on Debian 8.0 Jessie |
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kmlussier |
Good morning #evergreen |
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kmlussier |
@coffee y'all |
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* pinesol_green |
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* tsbere |
hasn't had much reason to use that part of PHP lately so isn't all that familiar with it personally |
| 12:19 |
jeff |
you're the only reason I ran into it just now. ;-) |
| 12:19 |
jeff |
PHPSIP2 won't connect to localhost because of it -- simple fix. |
| 12:22 |
tsbere |
as I said, lately. I haven't done much with phpsip2 for a while. |
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* tsbere |
also rarely has phpsip2 talk to localhost, for that matter, even when testing things >_> |
| 12:23 |
berick |
because i'm not a huge fan of php, i started on this a while back: https://github.com/berick/pysip2 |
| 12:23 |
berick |
in case anyone prefers python |
| 12:23 |
berick |
for sip tseting |
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mmorgan |
Good idea! |
| 16:55 |
mmorgan |
@dessert |
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kmlussier |
evergreen-ils.org is quite sluggish at the moment |
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jonadab |
(It updates CPAN and a bunch of related modules.) |
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jonadab |
Oh, I should probably clarify: since you were using make, I've been assuming that you already installed build-essential or the equivalent system package. |
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jonadab |
So you have gcc and make and all that stuff. |
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nuentoter |
our library is looking to switch very soon to evergreen and i'm setting up a left over computer as a test server to check it out and see what will work for us |
| 20:35 |
nuentoter |
pretty sure most of that can preinstalled on this distro |
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jonadab |
Yeah, I'm doing a similar thing to work on migrating our data. |
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jonadab |
nuentoter: Oh, could be. I use Debian, which doesn't install that stuff by default, but the build-essential metapackage depends on all of it. |
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nuentoter |
im on debian jessie for first time |
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csharp |
bshum: argh - I hate launchpad |
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* csharp |
remembered that the issue had been discussed before, but didn't remember the bug and it didn't appear in search results |
| 07:07 |
csharp |
so in the old bug I suggested the alternative of commenting out the lines in fm_IDL.xml, but I've changed my mind on that, obviously ;-) |
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jeff |
but have not checked lately. |
| 10:12 |
jeff |
what version are you seeing that behavior on? |
| 10:12 |
krvmga |
jeff: 2.7.4 |
| 10:13 |
jeff |
convenient for me to test! |
| 10:13 |
Dyrcona |
Hmm. I could check right quick. |
| 10:13 |
jeff |
krvmga: i suspect something other than the copy status is to blame, unless you've heavily tweaked your templates. |
| 10:13 |
bshum |
I'm pretty sure I remember it displaying when we tested it. Or rather, it displayed as a bill or something elsewhere. |
| 10:13 |
bshum |
And basically that still showed in the same place as items out |
| 10:13 |
krvmga |
jeff: our myopac templates are pretty vanilla. |
| 10:16 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I just set one of my items to lost on my dev system and it doesn't show up in my list of items out in the OPAC. |
| 10:16 |
jeff |
krvmga: tested by checking an item out to a patron and then marking it lost by patron. it is no longer visible under Items Checked Out, but is visible as a bill in the main myopac page at /eg/opac/myopac/main -- under Fines |
| 10:17 |
* Dyrcona |
confirms it shows up under fines. |
| 10:17 |
jeff |
I get a Title, Author, Checkout Date, Due Date, Date Returned shows (fines accruing) [er, they aren't actually] and there's a balance owed. |
| 10:17 |
jeff |
(under Fines) |
| 10:18 |
Dyrcona |
Well, the question is should lost items show in items out, or just under fines. |
| 10:19 |
Dyrcona |
I'd be more likely to say Long Overdue should show up under items out. |
| 10:19 |
Dyrcona |
Or more correctly, "Checked Out." |
| 10:21 |
krvmga |
i think the issue has been reported to me incorrectly. i just looked at a test account and the Lost items show up but under Returned/Renewed it says (fines accruing) but under Balance Owed it's showing a replacement cost |
| 10:21 |
krvmga |
i think the person who reported it might have gotten confused by "(fines accruing)" |
| 10:22 |
Dyrcona |
Well it shouldn't say that. It is an error. |
| 10:22 |
Dyrcona |
Maybe it should say "Lost" instead? |
| 10:22 |
krvmga |
Dyrcona: is it a bug error or a configuration error on our part, do you think? |
| 10:23 |
krvmga |
if it's a bug, i'll report it. i just want to make sure it's not anything we're doing wrong. |
| 10:24 |
Dyrcona |
I'd say find out from your staff what the real problem is, and then open a bug. |
| 10:24 |
Dyrcona |
We can always set it to invalid if it turns out to be configuration. :) |
| 10:28 |
krvmga |
staff are saying that the patron's Lost items show up under Fines (as previously mentioned) but, if a patron looks at Items Checked Out, the screen shows "You have no items checked out." |
| 10:29 |
krvmga |
a patron's Lost item is still checked out to the patron, no? |
| 10:30 |
krvmga |
maybe this is where not showing Lost in the OPAC is having the impact. |
| 10:31 |
krvmga |
i'm testing by turning OPAC visibility back on for Lost for a little while |
| 10:35 |
jeff |
i think that "(fines accruing)" is based simply on the lack of a checkin time. |
| 10:35 |
jeff |
should be a somewhat easy fix to correct/clarify that. |
| 10:49 |
jeff |
hah! there's actually a TODO in the template |
| 10:50 |
krvmga |
jeff: lol |
| 10:51 |
Dyrcona |
Not surprising. :) |
| 11:00 |
krvmga |
ok, i have tested with showing Lost in the OPAC. Lost items are now OPAC visible in our catalog. logging out and logging in again as the test patron. Current Items Checked Out still shows "You have no items checked out". I'm guessing this means OPAC visibility of Lost status has no impact here. |
| 11:00 |
Dyrcona |
Sounds like something else is going on. |
| 11:10 |
kmlussier |
Although Evergreen considers lost items to still be checked out to the patron, as a patron I don't think I would expect it to show in Items Out. If it is truly lost, it's lost. |
| 11:10 |
kmlussier |
I agree with Dyrcona that I would expect long overdue to still display there. |
| 15:16 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1125270 in Evergreen "Error updating function in 2.0-2.1-upgrade-db.sql for 2.3" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Low,Triaged] |
| 15:16 |
bshum |
I wrote some minor patches to fix those two and even though I sure hope nobody is still on 2.0 or 2.3, it'd be nice to close out those bugs. |
| 15:17 |
* bshum |
would have probably just pushed those already, but just checking real quick one last time. |
| 15:30 |
csharp |
bshum: so to test bug 1125270, one would need to install 2.0 and run the 2.0 to 2.1 upgrade script? |
| 15:30 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1125270 in Evergreen "Error updating function in 2.0-2.1-upgrade-db.sql for 2.3" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1125270 |
| 15:30 |
bshum |
csharp: If you were being thorough, I suppose yes. |
| 15:30 |
csharp |
I mean, it's probably fine to push as-is |
| 10:10 |
Dyrcona |
Well, more sites are using acq these days, so that experience is changing. |
| 10:15 |
csharp |
Dyrcona: have you done any more experimentation with EG on 14.04? looks to me like most of the bigger issues are fixed... |
| 10:16 |
csharp |
I'm working on building our debs on 14.04 and jessie right now, but I'm deep in the weeds of packaging best practices right now |
| 10:16 |
Dyrcona |
You mean for acq? If so, no. I don't really have much of a way to test, since I don't actually have any vendor accounts. |
| 10:16 |
csharp |
nah, just in general |
| 10:16 |
Dyrcona |
In general, I have been running Evergreen on 14.04 with success for about a year. |
| 10:16 |
csharp |
I think I have the ruby problem solved for now |
| 10:16 |
csharp |
oh good to know |
| 10:16 |
Dyrcona |
yep. I saw that. |
| 10:17 |
Dyrcona |
I thought about faking an EDI transaction for testing. |
| 10:17 |
Dyrcona |
That is, setting up a bogus vendor with a canned order and response to send. |
| 10:17 |
berick |
we've deployed 2 ubuntu 14.04 servers to productoin. |
| 10:17 |
berick |
soon, soon we'll be free of centos |
| 10:19 |
csharp |
I have an aging OpenSRF branch that installed dependencies from EPEL and got it up and running on CentOS |
| 10:19 |
csharp |
6, I think |
| 10:19 |
csharp |
but I didn't get as far as Evergreen |
| 10:22 |
bshum |
I think for front-end app servers, I'm not too nervous about Ubuntu 14.04. But for backend utilities, I get a little anxious to test further. |
| 10:22 |
bshum |
Acq EDI stuff, sure, but also have to test things like print notice generation, other scripts. |
| 10:22 |
bshum |
z39.50, who knows? :) |
| 10:23 |
berick |
bshum: we should be fully migrated by the end of May. i'll let you know how it goes |
| 10:23 |
bshum |
berick++ |
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csharp |
oh yeah - z39.50 is broken in 12.04 too, right? |
| 17:15 |
bshum |
Hmm |
| 17:16 |
bshum |
We can't seem to add any bibs with URIs to lists. |
| 17:16 |
bshum |
That's special. |
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mmorgan |
bshum: lp 1246385 ? |
| 17:18 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1246385 in Evergreen "internal server error when adding an item to a list from within staff client" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1246385 |
| 17:18 |
bshum |
No, this is in public side |
| 17:19 |
bshum |
If I go to try adding a bib that's a URI (aka, $9 trick), it just stays off the list and I get a refreshed page that still says "add to list" |
| 17:19 |
mmorgan |
Oh, ok. sounded familiar. But it's too late in the day... |
| 17:19 |
bshum |
I'm going to have to get a test system going with 2.8 stock to see if it's a template issue in our systems, or if it's a 2.8 regression. |
| 17:20 |
bshum |
It's not broken on MVLC's or PINES systems, but they're on 2.7ish |
| 17:20 |
bshum |
mmorgan: We should probably close that bug. Since no one's confirmed anything since it was reported "fixed" or at least "not broken" for 2.5. |
| 17:22 |
mmorgan |
Oh, probably so. |
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kmlussier |
bshum: There's a bug for that. And old one |
| 17:38 |
kmlussier |
bug 979038 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 979038 in Evergreen "tpac: Records with a located URI cannot be added to a list" (affected: 3, heat: 18) [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/979038 - Assigned to Jeff Godin (jgodin) |
| 17:40 |
kmlussier |
Filed that one while C/W MARS and NOBLE were getting ready to go live on Evergreen. |
| 17:40 |
bshum |
kmlussier: That sounds more like my problem. |
| 17:40 |
bshum |
I didn't notice it on MVLC/PINES cause I was only testing temp lists on there (no account to test real with) |
| 17:40 |
bshum |
But temp lists don't even take ours on our systems. |
| 17:40 |
bshum |
But maybe that's cause we don't use the temp list warning or whatnots. Who knows. |
| 17:41 |
bshum |
Sigh, oh well. |
| 17:41 |
* bshum |
clicks "affects me too" and contemplates dinner. |
| 17:43 |
kmlussier |
jeff: Do you still want to be the assignee on that bug? |
| 18:16 |
bshum |
csharp: Should we be deprecating https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1050384 in favor of your newly filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1450218 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1050384 in Evergreen "Views referenced in reporter UI are not created by default" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Low,Confirmed] |
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* csharp |
dives in and hopes for the best |
| 14:20 |
jboyer-isl |
csharp: If that will work, you'll likely have to use \$ because it looks like it's expecting regex syntax, where $ is special. |
| 14:22 |
berick |
csharp: record display attributes only affect display :( |
| 14:22 |
csharp |
it makes sense to me that it would be regexp syntax, and I'm told that was tried and didn't work, but I'll test it myself |
| 14:22 |
csharp |
berick: ah |
| 14:23 |
csharp |
hmm - so the acq code expects *no* dollar sign, but the file has them - is there a way to remove them within EG? or would that have to be done externally? |
| 14:23 |
csharp |
well, specifically, the DB rejects the '$' character as non-numeric |
| 14:23 |
csharp |
so I guess the acq code doesn't know or care |
| 14:24 |
berick |
code would have to be added to make that happen within ACQ |
| 14:27 |
* tsbere |
loves the vendor "But other <ils> customers have no issues" response - Half the time I get a list of those "other customers" I find they aren't using Evergreen. |
| 14:27 |
berick |
acq being what it is, there are a number of vendor-specific hacks in the acq code. adding one to strip '$' from the price field does not seem crazy. |
| 14:28 |
tsbere |
Of course, then there are the vendors that say "But other <ils> customers have no issues" with <ils> *not* being Evergreen. At which point I get to say "That is all well and good. We are using Evergreen, not <other ils>" >_> |
| 14:28 |
berick |
or strip all non-numbers |
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* csharp |
creates bug 1449724 |
| 15:26 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1449724 in Evergreen "Acq Record Import Fails because of dollar sign in price field" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1449724 |
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| 11:34 |
csharp |
berick: I could see that you made a lot of progress on it ;-) |
| 11:34 |
berick |
maybe we can get some progress on that at egcon |
| 11:34 |
csharp |
I'll totally help with that if I can |
| 11:34 |
berick |
yes, you can help test |
| 11:34 |
csharp |
perfect |
| 11:34 |
berick |
IIRC, there's just a few fields remaining that have to be mapped. |
| 11:34 |
berick |
then it's testing time |
| 11:35 |
csharp |
awesome |
| 11:37 |
csharp |
so once the A/T thing is in place, it might be worth incorporating edi /openils stuff into the standard installation process |
| 11:38 |
csharp |
"thing"... "stuff" - technical jargon be damned! |
| 13:37 |
eeevil |
has anyone other than gmcharlt looked at LP 1438136? |
| 13:37 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1438136 in Evergreen "OPAC searching significantly slowed by adding format filters" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438136 |
| 13:37 |
eeevil |
or, the linked branch, more correctly |
| 13:40 |
csharp |
eeevil: I applied it to a test server and see far faster search times - I don't have an opinion about the implementation beyond that though |
| 13:40 |
Dyrcona |
eeevil: I loaded it on my dev system, which is 9.1 and apparently didn't need it, but I can say it caused no problems there. |
| 13:40 |
eeevil |
just hoping for a merge before the next point release, is all |
| 13:41 |
RoganH |
I can add it to our test and measure results tonight. |
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kmlussier |
eeevil: Is C/W MARS in production? If so, would it help if they added a comment to the LP bug reporting that it's working well for them? |
| 13:53 |
eeevil |
kmlussier: they're using it, and I think it would. I'm trying to avoid self-merging, but if that's what is needed to get it in, I will |
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jboyer-isl |
(Also, time works ever against me. :( ) |
| 14:05 |
Dyrcona |
Well, I have no business signing off, since I obviously didn't look hard enough. :) |
| 14:22 |
RoganH |
I was just looking at our current search return numbers but they're even on our low powered test system orders of magnitude faster than csharp's. I don't know if I'd find anything worth signing off on other than "this didn't screw up an existing system" |
| 14:28 |
kmlussier |
After talking to C/W MARS, I'm not comfortable signing off either. They aren't seeing the huge difference between limited searches and non-limited searches anymore. However, they are seeing slower overall search performance since their upgrade. |
| 14:28 |
kmlussier |
Since the patch was applied as part of their upgrade, it's difficult for me to know if that change was partially caused by the patch or whether it was due to something else. |
| 14:39 |
csharp |
kmlussier: Terran was just testing here, and the challenge was trying to find search terms that weren't already cached by the live server - dunno if that's a factor there, but after a number of tries, Terran definitely sees the difference between pre- and post-fix |
| 14:42 |
kmlussier |
csharp: Yeah. I can definitely say that the format limiting problem was resolved. Their format-limited searches were timing out on their test system before their upgrade. |
| 14:43 |
kmlussier |
I just don't know if the other reported search slowness was a result of the patch, a result of the upgrade, or the result of something else. Too many moving parts. |
| 14:44 |
csharp |
kmlussier: well, the sure fire way to know is with an actual query from the postgres logs |
| 14:44 |
csharp |
that can be EXPLAIN ANALYZEd |
| 14:49 |
kmlussier |
I'll forward that along to them |
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kmlussier |
jonadab: Well, there is the Douglas county model for purchasing ebooks - http://douglascountylibraries.org/content/ebooks-and-DCL |
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csharp |
tsbere: that's nice to know |
| 12:33 |
csharp |
well, one of the selling points on our end for RT is that it's in use by other EG sites, which might lead to some EG/RT integration ideas in the future? |
| 12:34 |
csharp |
one of the originally envisioned features of Evergreen was helpdesk integration, but it didn't get very far |
| 12:38 |
bshum |
You know, speaking of bib sources... |
| 12:38 |
bshum |
Anyone got a test server with 2.8/master around and can test something for me |
| 12:38 |
bshum |
So I got a report from our staff that loading bibs is causing the bib source to change to the latest source on merges. |
| 12:38 |
bshum |
Instead of staying at the original source. |
| 12:39 |
bshum |
During match-only merge. |
| 12:39 |
bshum |
I'm getting into it shortly, but curious to see if I can verify that it's not just our systems. |
| 12:39 |
Dyrcona |
I could test it, but I'm too busy to do that today. |
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bshum |
Aha |
| 13:20 |
bshum |
But long-term, it sounds like we should file a bug to make this some sort of setting controlled option. |
| 13:21 |
mllewellyn |
like a bib source hierarchy |
| 13:24 |
Dyrcona |
The bib source change was intended to make records get the bib source selected in the vandelay import because we had fresh records loading (not overlay records) and getting a null bib source. |
| 13:24 |
Dyrcona |
The branch was evaluated on that basis, and overlay was not on my radar in the testing that I did. |
| 13:26 |
bshum |
I could see avoiding that being helpful. |
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* bshum |
rips it out for now so that mllewellyn's work isn't disrupted. |
| 13:27 |
bshum |
I'll file a new bug on the subject in a bit. |
| 14:09 |
bshum |
mllewellyn: I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1447746 to make sure I didn't forget it. |
| 14:09 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1447746 in Evergreen "Do not update bib source on match-only merge" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] |
| 14:10 |
kmlussier |
berick (or anyone else who knows the answer): I've seen instructions to install hatch on linux and on windows. Will it also work on macs? |
| 14:11 |
jeff |
it is intended to, but I've not been able to test that becase of my ancient version of OS X. |
| 14:12 |
kmlussier |
jeff: OK, thank you! |
| 14:15 |
mllewellyn |
bshum: thank you |
| 14:15 |
bshum |
mllewellyn++ # getting the word out |
| 15:36 |
berick |
so, it didin't really take hold for 2.8 for various reasons. |
| 15:36 |
berick |
i'd really like some input on the wiki doc before we start forcing anything |
| 15:37 |
berick |
and if we're goign to start requiring QA contributions for 2.9, we need to solidify the plan now-ish |
| 15:37 |
jeff |
short of boiling the ocean, what do you think our approach should be for "this changes the behavior of something large and complex which has no existing tests"? |
| 15:37 |
jeff |
(not that this particular ocean doesn't deserve boiling...) |
| 15:38 |
berick |
jeff: do you mean areas of the code where there is no test structure? |
| 15:38 |
jeff |
case-by-case exception with a high bar, but discretion to the RM? |
| 15:38 |
jeff |
berick: yes, exactly. |
| 15:38 |
berick |
honestly, if we could people started on using the test structure we have, that would be a big win |
| 15:38 |
bshum |
Speaking of RM, who'll that be for 2.9 :) |
| 15:39 |
berick |
bshum: yeah, this conversation makes me think again about nominating RM's earlier in the process |
| 15:40 |
bshum |
Yeah, I think we should start thinking like that. |
| 15:40 |
dbwells |
If we want the RM to make calls on "tested enough"-ness, we'll more or less need the RM to approve everything. That's pretty far from what we've done before, but certainly exists in other projects, from what I'm told. |
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kmlussier |
I don't feel qualified to comment on the wiki page, but if there is anything somebody like me can do to help with this, let me know. |
| 15:41 |
jeff |
dbwells: I was thinking more along the lines of "has tests == good, anyone can merge", vs "no tests because REASONS, merge is at RM discretion" |
| 15:41 |
dbwells |
jeff: makes sense, thanks for clarifying |
| 15:41 |
gmcharlt |
dbwells: from somebody who has been RM in such a kind of project... that is a big burden to put on the RM |
| 15:42 |
dbs |
Are tests in place for the web staff client, along the lines of https://docs.angularjs.org/guide/unit-testing ? |
| 15:42 |
dbwells |
gmcharlt: I can imagine. |
| 15:43 |
berick |
expanding on jeff's last comment.. "no tests because no framework exists to test this" would cover a lot things |
| 15:43 |
berick |
that would leave a fairly limited number of cases where the RM would have to decide |
| 15:43 |
gmcharlt |
now giving the RM more mental space to throw things back if not done enough -- and have those decisions not be nibbled to death by the Ducks of Merge It Now -- is something that would be a step forward |
| 15:44 |
dbwells |
the endless nibbling! |
| 15:44 |
csharp |
probably an obvious point, but it also raises the bar for a qualified RM |
| 15:44 |
jeffdavis |
Is there a tag in LP meaning "has code, needs tests"? |
| 15:44 |
bshum |
jeffdavis: needsignoff ? |
| 15:45 |
jeffdavis |
Do we want something more specific? |
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* gmcharlt |
is inclined to think so - at least to try it out |
| 15:46 |
jeffdavis |
Signoff to me implies "I've tried this, it works on my system." |
| 15:46 |
gmcharlt |
"needstest"? |
| 15:46 |
jeff |
needstests? needsqa? |
| 15:46 |
gmcharlt |
er, needstests |
| 15:46 |
gmcharlt |
(not One Test To Rule Them All) |
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* csharp |
is having deja vu |
| 15:46 |
jeff |
csharp: that might be bad. is it bad? |
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dbs |
#qualityisjob1 |
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* gmcharlt |
tosses out a wild idea |
| 15:49 |
gmcharlt |
do we want to make QA the Official Theme (TM) of the dev portion of hackfest/ |
| 15:49 |
gmcharlt |
? |
| 15:49 |
jeff |
dbs: there are some tests for the angular bits, using karma. commit 75e466e contains one example. i can't say what coverage is like. |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1402797 browser client interval parser - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=75e466e> |
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jeff |
gmcharlt: if nothing came out of the hackfest but every interested contributor was better equipped to write tests... i'm not sure i'd be disappointed. |
| 15:51 |
* gmcharlt |
sources a troop of cats to give out at the conferences |
| 15:51 |
gmcharlt |
very special cats |
| 15:51 |
gmcharlt |
cats who hiss ... if one does a git push with adding something to t/ |
| 15:52 |
dbwells |
gmcharlt: I'd be up for QA time during the hackfest. |
| 15:52 |
csharp |
#info gmcharlt's Cats of Doom: http://cat.evergreen-ils.org.meowbify.com/ |
| 15:52 |
jeff |
"QA time" might be easier to pull off. :-) |
| 15:53 |
jboyer-isl |
I could certainly use an intro. I felt a little bad about how much went into the "delete acpl" commits without any tests but human ones. |
| 15:53 |
* gmcharlt |
is more than happy to put together some starting material for a QA time |
| 15:53 |
dbwells |
#action AllTheDevs will read and think about berick's QA page, and come to the conference ready to discuss and take action |
| 15:53 |
berick |
you_all++ |
| 16:26 |
jeffdavis |
I can think of two pieces that might help to get more folks trying it out. |
| 16:26 |
jeffdavis |
1. Documentation. This has been on my todo list for a while. |
| 16:26 |
jeff |
jeffdavis: can you summarize your environment with regard to auth methods, what patron identifier is used, and if you have just a single overdrive account for the entire consortium or if you have per-system, and if there's any use of "overdrive advantage" (where systems participate in a large collection but can then ALSO add items that only their patrons get)? |
| 16:26 |
jeffdavis |
2. Testing credentials that can be shared among EG developers. |
| 16:26 |
dbwells |
#link https://launchpad.net/overdrive-eg-opac |
| 16:28 |
dbwells |
jeffdavis: I think testing credentials would be great. I'm not sure how many of us have access otherwise to OverDrive. |
| 16:28 |
* csharp |
might be able to get credentials, but not sure if he could share them :-/ |
| 16:28 |
jeffdavis |
I can commit to contacting Overdrive about that. |
| 16:29 |
jeff |
My experience with getting API access from them (prod and/or testing) has been... yeah. |
| 16:29 |
dbwells |
#info jeffdavis suggests that any potential testers file bugs at the link given above |
| 16:30 |
jeffdavis |
They do have a testing environment which in theory shold not be tied to anyone's "real" OverDrive accounts, so it's at least a theoretical possibility, IIUC. |
| 16:30 |
kmlussier |
Thanks all! |
| 16:30 |
* kmlussier |
needs to disappear |
| 16:30 |
dbwells |
#action jeffdavis will pursue contacting OverDrive to ask about test credentials / a test environment |
| 16:30 |
* csharp |
too |
| 16:31 |
dbwells |
Ok, wrapping things up unless someone speaks up... |
| 16:31 |
jeffdavis |
jeff: we have two OverDrive accounts, each used by a different chunk of our libraries |
