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Results for 2015-01-27

12:06 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Wells] Remove unwanted index recreation - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c3c8b74>
12:07 goood make that 4ffa62207
12:07 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1253163: stamping upgrade for authority.in-line-headings - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4ffa622>
12:09 bshum Honestly, I don't remember what I was testing that day when I merged that.  Wasn't that related to the PG 9.3 weirdness and function breakage?
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12:11 bshum Wait, I'm confused by those two commits you linked now.
12:11 bshum Are you saying the index should be there or shouldn't be there?
12:11 pastebot "Dyrcona" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "MVLC WWW diff with master" (40 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/27
12:12 bshum Dyrcona: That doesn't look too unusual to me.
12:18 bshum Or to put it another way, what did I break now?  10+ months later :(
12:41 goood berick: thanks. are there any instructions for installing on windows or mac?
12:45 berick goood: no instructions.  same concepts for both, though, just different commands
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13:05 csharp goood: I'm attempting to apply the fix for bug 1414112 on a test server and getting this error: http://pastie.org/9865951 ... it looks like it should work, though :-/
13:05 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1414112 in Evergreen 2.7 "Audience filter no longer searching blank spaces" (affected: 2, heat: 12) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1414112
13:09 Dyrcona berick: After comparing notes wth bshum, I really think it is something under EGCatloader, probably doing xact_begin followed by xact_commit or xact_rollback, but no disconnect.
13:09 Dyrcona He sees the messages in his logs, also, just not as many.
13:19 csharp Dyrcona++
13:23 dbwells Hey all.  Just a quick double-check: is PG 9.1 still the minimum version for EG 2.7?
13:23 csharp dbwells: from my understanding, 9.1 has not been deprecated yet for any EG version
13:24 bshum dbwells: PG 9.1 is the minimum version, but personally I only tested with PG 9.3 and recommend that to everyone who goes up to EG 2.7 :)
13:24 dbwells csharp++ Thanks.  I thought that to be true, but didn't want to find out mid-upgrade that I was wrong :)
13:25 csharp dbwells: I'll mention that we're on 9.3, so I can speak from experience upgrading to 2.7 on 9.1 ;-)
13:25 dbwells bshum: That's probably good advice, but my upgrade window is a little tight this time around.  We'll get there eventually.
15:12 Stompro Wireshark says it is trying to use tls1.0, which is enabled, so maybe the problem is with the ciphers enabled.  Apache logs show nothing so it is't getting past the ssl negotiation phase.
15:12 dbs Stompro: umm. works pretty great for me
15:12 dbs https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze​.html?d=laurentian.concat.ca&amp;latest anyways
15:13 Stompro dbs: would you mind sharing your SSLCipherSuite line?  I also just loaded a non self signed cert.. I should probably not change too many things at once before testing :)
15:13 * dbs using https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS (intermediate support)
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Results for 2015-01-26

10:39 Dyrcona berick: I could possibly share them.
10:39 berick so they are just hanging out waitin to time out
10:39 Dyrcona Well, I don't think CStoreEditor is the problem, though we should still probably clean up the code.
10:40 Dyrcona I mentioned last week that I added a warn to the destructor and did some tests on my dev machine and every other line (not quite) in the logs was the destructor being called.
10:41 berick that's great, but doesn't help when the destructor isn't called, like when refs are still in scope
10:42 Dyrcona And now, we're down to 41 cstore drones.
10:42 Dyrcona Thing is, I haven't found anywhere the refs look like they would still be in scope.
15:17 tsbere Bmagic_: You need to fix that. ;) autogen.sh -u may work?
15:18 Bmagic_ tsbere: ok, that did fix that
15:19 tsbere Bmagic_: In that case your "4 times" issue is likely fixed
15:20 Bmagic_ tsbere: testing
15:25 Bmagic_ tsbere: yep, solved
15:25 Bmagic_ tsbere++
15:26 Bmagic_ tsbere: can you help me understand why the DB returned those rows in that function?
16:12 dbs guess not!
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Results for 2015-01-25

05:07 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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10:30 Dyrcona Wow. That was fast. Pidgin must have been cached in RAM.

Results for 2015-01-24

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04:52 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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Results for 2015-01-23

12:32 kmlussier berick++
12:33 dbs berick++
12:36 RoganH berick++
12:39 dbwells berick++  I was just looking for the live test info yesterday!  I stumbled my way through it...
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13:10 * Dyrcona just signed in to say, "Hey!"
15:29 jeff "oh, school burned down (no injuries). phew. i thought the SAN had gone down or something."
15:39 Dyrcona Nah, just a routine thing about an upcoming event.
15:39 Dyrcona Fine Arts Night
15:42 jeff i should probably test this report with a query that completes in less than 31s.
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16:31 kmlussier Have a great weekend everyone!
16:36 bshum kmlussier++ # thanks for testing my fix for lost&paid :)
16:37 bshum Have a nice weekend.
16:41 mmorgan kmlussier++ bshum++
16:49 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1412893: Only apply lost and paid status with the proper transactions - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=609db84>
17:10 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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Results for 2015-01-22

09:00 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1386347 in Evergreen 2.6 "Speed up hold copy map deletion for clear shelf process, etc." (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New]
09:05 csharp dbs: or eeevil: for bug 1206936, does the suggested change in comment #7 supercede my "use window functions" branch and solve the original problem?
09:05 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1206936 in Evergreen "money.transaction_billing_summary view displays incorrect billing_type and billing_note for the actual last transaction" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206936
09:05 * csharp hasn't tested, jsyk
09:07 tsbere jeff: Regarding differences in default notification formats: TPac (pipe, prefers email, then phone, then sms) vs old JSPac entries (dunno) vs Patron Editor (colon, prefers phone, then email, then sms)
09:10 jeff tsbere: thanks. i had suspected as such, and started to compare new/old patron editors vs tpac -- thought i saw in tpac that it was colon-delimited, just with a different order. guess i'll have to re-look.
09:14 bshum csharp: On bug 1386347, I was leaning towards removing the milestone from that, since nobody seems to be championing it for backport presently.
14:00 pinesol_green [sipserver|Thomas Berezansky] LP#1227273: Clear account info at start and end of connection - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​SIPServer.git;a=commit;h=cd45513>
14:01 bshum That's the last commit our SIPServer is up to running apparently.
14:01 bshum It was before the timeout stuff and the multiplex stuff
14:25 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
14:46 Stompro Is creating read only postgres access really as difficult as it seems to be?  Needing to run a command for every schema individually?
14:50 bshum Stompro: I believe that's how we had to do it in the past.
14:50 bshum And actually I think we even went further and specified it table by table in some cases.
15:28 kmlussier bshum: It shouldn't take me long to look at it again. The problem is all of the other stuff I have on my plate today.
15:30 kmlussier But if you wait until tomorrow, I can also look at that Lost and Paid bug too.
15:31 Dyrcona kmlussier: I've loaded the branch on my dev system already, so feel free to toggle settings on there if you want.
15:31 dbwells kmlussier: rats, sorry.  Probably a merge error I made of some kind when getting it into the branch.  I loaded the branch earlier on my test box, but haven't gotten back to it yet.  I'll get it fixed.
15:31 Dyrcona The lost and paid fix branch, that is.
15:31 kmlussier dbwells++ Great, thanks!
15:32 bshum kmlussier: That's fine, I can wait to cut tomorrow.
15:41 bshum Damn, missed the # in the previous commits
15:41 jeff but not as many wasted characters as LP#number - Commit description here
15:41 bshum I need to finish poking at the ilbot config
15:43 Dyrcona I need to test phasefx_'s marc_export changes. Probably won't get to it today.
15:44 Dyrcona They won't go into 2.7 anyway.
15:48 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1407171 Avoid DEFLATEing fm_IDL.xml - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=112b270>
15:50 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1373594: Also ignore subfield 7 in get_graphics_880s - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=67999a6>
15:57 bshum It's cause that's already the default, but should we keep that in the help info for people who might have it live elsewhere for some reason?
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16:14 dbwells kmlussier: Dyrcona: I missed one added and two deleted lines in my merging (or unmerging, as the case may be).  It seems happier now at my end, so I force pushed over the same branch (collab/dbwells/1198465_cstore_fines_gen).  Thanks for the early testing!
16:14 kmlussier dbwells++
16:18 Dyrcona kmlussier: I can load the revised branch if you want to look at it tomorrow.
16:18 remingtron bshum: I think the help info should be enough as is, since the config setting is the first option listed. But I don't have strong feelings either way.
16:30 bshum Dyrcona: Most of the things I end up pushing to 2.7 tend to be either tiny or broken things.  I usually save dbwells the trouble of pushing it to rel_2_6 on his behalf, but I could change that if he'd prefer to push it himself :)
16:31 kmlussier Dyrcona++ Thank you!
16:31 jeff bshum: so trying to install debian-wheezy-packager target after installing debian-wheezy-developer results in an error because it tries to clone the node git repo a second time.
16:31 bshum If it was me, I wouldn't hold off on backporting if it's indeed a bug fix.
16:32 bshum jeff: Ahh..... I primarily tested the Ubuntu side of things, and those are all packages.
16:32 bshum So it doesn't usually clobber itself, it'll just add whatever packages it's still missing.
16:32 * jeff nods
16:32 bshum jeff++ # may want to file that a new bug then for 2.8 series.
16:33 bshum Darn Wheezy
16:44 bshum Hmm
16:45 bshum Maybe like the install_libdbi thing before install_nodejs_from_source
16:45 bshum Where we look for the folder, if not present, get it, etc.
16:45 dbwells I think whoever does the testing should go ahead and push to all applicable branches.  The fact that bshum is an RM and also tests a bunch of things just confuses the situation ;)
16:46 * bshum either has lots of hats or lots of heads.
16:46 bshum Possibly both.
16:47 bshum jeff: That's of course all from Makefile.common I'm curiously looking at.
16:55 Dyrcona I'll just build a new vm on Saturday or Monday.
16:55 kmlussier Dyrcona: Thanks for trying!
16:55 * kmlussier calls it a day
16:56 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
17:01 berick tsbere: re: bug 1413624, if you hope to get it merged into 2.8, go ahead and target 2.8-beta
17:01 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1413624 in Evergreen "New AccessHandler Module" (affected: 1, heat: 8) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1413624
17:02 eeevil dbwells: I've been terribly remiss in not looking at your cstore-fine-gen code ... I'm wondering what the reason for that is? (the use of cstore instead of dbi in the storage app, in particular) ... but, I think I've found a problem in any case. it looks like penalty calculation is being called before the cstore->commit is called

Results for 2015-01-21

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14:15 Dyrcona Ah.. here's a question.
14:15 Dyrcona What happens to results from a substream search if the transaction is rolled back and the editor disconnected?
14:16 Dyrcona S'pose I can write a test program to find out.
14:18 berick cseditor does everything synchronously, so you couldn't disconnect/rollback until all results had been retrieved.
14:19 berick in which case they're no different than non-substream data
14:19 Dyrcona OK/
15:34 kmlussier I knew the answer to that question a few months ago.
15:34 tsbere I believe marking as claims returned will overwrite the lost stop fines reason as well.
15:34 tsbere Just as an extra data point
15:35 bshum Then I feel better about looking at the stop_fine reason to decide whether to set the lost&paid status
15:35 bshum mmorgan++ # testing
15:42 * dbs moves onto trying to find out why "Add to list" is failing silently (at least client side), wonders whether our HTTPS-everything config may be a factor.
15:44 dbs "GET /eg/opac/mylist/add?locg=105;record=830689 HTTP/1.0" 302 4896 "http://laurentian.concat.ca/eg/opac​/mylist/add?locg=105;record=830689" says yes.
15:44 dbs 302 = "go to HTTPS dummy!"
15:45 kmlussier For those who missed the email, the scheduling poll for our next Bug Squashing Day is at http://doodle.com/umc27afh7akqczft
15:46 * dbs squints at ctx.opac_root
15:47 * Dyrcona pushed a commit to fix a/ts to the collab branch.
15:47 Dyrcona Tested it on dev with a hold notification and it still works.
15:48 Dyrcona We're going to load it into production next time we have to restart services.
15:49 dbs $ctx->{base_path} = $r->dir_config('OILSWebBasePath'); # getting there
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16:37 * dbs determines that the http 302 redirects for lists are from yandex web crawler. *sigh*
16:38 bshum mmorgan: I added a new comment with a potential working branch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/eve​rgreen/+bug/1412893/comments/2
16:38 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1412893 in Evergreen "Applying lost and paid status at the wrong time" (affected: 2, heat: 10) [Undecided,Confirmed]
16:39 bshum mmorgan: If you get time later to try tossing that in some test environment and seeing if it handles the lost&paid situation better, let me know what you can find out.
16:39 bshum I plan to try it out more when I can get it on a system too.
16:39 bshum Dyrcona++ # helping me fix my sucky perl
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16:46 mmorgan bhum: I will give it a try at some point soon.
16:47 mmorgan bhsum++

Results for 2015-01-19

10:31 wsmoak this is a fairly fresh Yosemite install, and I haven't customized FF at all
10:33 wsmoak will be interesting to see what another osx user sees.  Norton might be to blame, it sticks its nose where it isn't wanted all the time.
10:34 wsmoak anyway... the search works fine now that I know what I'm looking at. :)  minor issue.
10:48 dbs http://i.imgur.com/dbmZDa9.png is what mine looks like
10:48 dbs (highlighting PINES obscures the icon sadly, oh well)
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10:54 * dbs wonders idly why Browse catalog by title works in one library in our instance but not in another
10:54 dbs (returns a server 500 error, yikes)
10:58 * dbs peers at egweb: Context Loader error: Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at WWW/EGCatLoader/Browse.pm line 271.
11:00 dbs suggests its a database error, and the there's no $self->editor->event member that was returned I guess.
11:03 * dbs opts to stop testing defensive code in production after making every page request return 500 :)
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12:09 dbs my defensive code is simply offensive
12:12 dbs even weirder, that browse works on our test instance where we haven't reingested all of the records. hrm.
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12:23 eeevil dbs: any chance the osrf translator memcache instance is misconfigured in the apache configs?  I've seen that break browse and just a couple other things in the past.  A/T event def editor would also break, for instance
12:24 dbs eeevil: definitely possible
12:37 Dyrcona But then, I'm "off" today.
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12:47 julialima_ Hello evergreeners!!! The web client is not working, at least for me. In the patron search I can´t perform any search, I have no feedback so I don´t know what is going on. Anyone know if there is a problem?
12:47 bshum Dyrcona: I've seen that too actually.
12:47 bshum Also "off" :)
12:51 bshum julialima_: I'm probably not the best person to answer you (I'm not sure how many folks have off today in the US). Anywho, which server are you using to test with?
12:52 dbwells julialima_: Some folks might be at lunch, which is where I am headed.  Also, just to clarify, are you talking about webby.evergreencatalog.com, or some other test site?
12:52 bshum Maybe there might be a hint in the browser console
12:53 gmcharlt julialima_: try webby now; I've restarted services there and it's now working for me
12:54 julialima_ gmcharlt: It is working now, thank you very much! :)

Results for 2015-01-16

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08:15 kmlussier eeevil: I'll see if I can get some end user testing here on webby for those web client fixes.
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10:20 * csharp laughs evilly
10:20 jboyer-isl It's particularly fun to use cores-1, provided it has the RAM to pull it off.
10:20 csharp jboyer-isl: daredevil!
10:21 jboyer-isl I like to test ACID compliance, keep postmaster on it's toes, etc. :D
10:21 * berick waits for a 'top' screenshot
10:22 csharp ERROR: not enough room on screen
10:22 berick says it all
12:09 dbs We are still using scripts though! Which is always fun.
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12:39 kmlussier berick/eeevil: For commit b577d39, is there a specific bug with dates being fixed that we should be testing for?
12:39 kmlussier Hmm...I thought that would bring up the commit if I typed it that way.
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12:39 berick kmlussier: it's not a bug
12:39 berick it's part of the noncat circ display
13:41 mrpeters what is current reccomended xulrunner for 2.72?  (building a mac client)
13:45 berick mrpeters: 14.0.1
13:45 mrpeters thanks berick!
13:45 eeevil kmlussier++ # testing! :)
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14:21 dbs julialima++ # great stuff
14:45 Dyrcona kmlussier: OK. I likely haven't read that one yet.
14:47 jeff kmlussier: thanks for calling that out. i've been reading that thread but apparently am not current.
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14:52 kmlussier eeevil / berick: If you're still around, there were 4 bug fixes mentioned in Mike's most recent bug repairs comment that I was unsure on what to test for. http://pastebin.com/r21hv2ke
14:53 kmlussier Some may be related to other fixes to be tested there, but I just want to make sure I'm not missing anything.
14:53 berick kmlussier: for "Repair browser client dropdown buttons" -- it's an issue that would only appear on a fairly new server
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14:54 berick in the grids, the Actions drop-down buttons don't work w/o the patch
14:54 berick making sure they still work on older servers would be helpful, thoug
14:54 berick h
14:54 kmlussier berick: Ok. So the 1st isn't something I can really test for on webby?
14:55 berick checking Actions dropdowns in Webby to make sure the change didn't introduce a problem would be good
14:55 kmlussier berick: Sure, that we can do. :)
14:55 berick kmlussier: for "Avoid org tree retrieval race condition on patron app" -- without this patch, pages would sometimes fail to load with a JS error.  if you never saw the problem before, it's not really testable, apart from "hey, pages load!"

Results for 2015-01-15

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09:52 berick eeevil: ideally w/ an LP listing what to test.  i'm happy to review, test, sign-off
09:53 eeevil berick: you mean you want an lp bug for each bug/fix, or a listing of what's fixed on one bug
09:53 berick i think one bug is fine
09:57 eeevil k
10:37 jboyer-isl It depends on how much (and how directly) misc_util is pulled into a module. I'm probably not giving it the necessary level of thought myself. (I came across that bug while looking for another bug that I apparently never filed)
10:40 jboyer-isl display fields would probably take care of any potential issues I have with misc_util going away, I was just thinking of all of the hard-coded tags and fields from that file being pulled behind the scenes, which I suppose isn't really the intent.
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11:37 abowling i'm trying to test changes on the place_hold.js script that affects the place_hold.xul template. i clear my cache, restart apache, and restart services, but it seemingly has no effect. i looked to see if the javascript exists on my local machine, and it doesn't. any ideas?
11:40 bshum abowling: So to be clear, you're making changes to that file in the server side installed version?
11:40 bshum Somewhere in /openils/var/web/xul/server/...
11:40 abowling bshum: yes.
11:42 bshum Are you sure that the staff client version of your client is matching to where server links to for the files server-side?
11:42 abowling didn't think i'd need to restart apache. just making sure it wasn't cached on the server somewhere.
11:43 bshum Or did you try editing the specific version's installed folder content
11:43 abowling bshum: yes. it's the EDN master we use for testing.
11:43 bshum Well, it sounds like you got all your bases covered to me.  Maybe the change you're expecting to happen isn't happening.
11:44 abowling bshum: i'm editing the specific installed version file, fwiw
11:44 abowling it's confounding
11:45 bshum patron?
11:45 bshum Hmm
11:45 bshum Oh right
11:45 abowling bshum: just for testing, i've commented out this line just for a simple test:
11:45 abowling //$('hold_usr_textbox').value = au_obj.card().barcode();
11:45 bshum My mind's not on XUL stuff :)
11:46 abowling understood. i'm pretty good with the perlmods and OPAC, but my XUL history is limited, and that's understating it
11:47 abowling upon restarting the staff client, $('hold_usr_textbox') is still getting a value set
12:09 bshum berick: Right, I know
12:09 jeff abowling: worth noting that your apache log line is NOT requesting the javascript file you stated you were editing.
12:10 bshum If so, he's probably looking for /openils/var/template/opac/place_hold.tt2 (or ../parts/place_hold.tt2 actually)
12:10 abowling i'm pulling up test records, clicking "Place Hold", and then selecting "Advanced Options"
12:10 jeff abowling: i think you want to be looking at /openils/var/web/opac/skin/default/js/holds.js and such.
12:10 abowling bshum: that now seems likley
12:10 bshum Ah, yeah, wrong place.
16:03 rangi they do 2 weeks, first week is learning
16:03 rangi 2nd week is project work
16:04 rangi its been Koha, Drupal, Mahara, Silverstripe and Piwik
16:09 * jeff returns from digging
16:10 jeff vandelay functions were in a bad state on my test instance.
16:10 Dyrcona rangi: Cool.
16:10 jeff fixed, all's well.
16:11 jeff and this is a good reminder that i need to do some more research with regard to better ways to schema-only diff postgres databases :-)

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08:24 Ghid0rah Good morning all. Does anyone know if there is a way to test Evergreen's email notification configuration in Evergreen 2.7.2?
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19:26 conlinism If I were looking to get involved in contributing to the web front end of Evergreen, how would I do that?
19:35 csharp ~contribute
19:35 pinesol_green Interested in contributing to the Evergreen project?  Please see http://www.evergreen-ils.org/do​kuwiki/doku.php?id=contributing and http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuwiki/​doku.php?id=eg_developer_overview.
19:35 csharp conlinism: basically, read this^^, then install evergreen on a test server and start hacking!
19:39 conlinism thanks!
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09:27 Dyrcona Debian package maintainers strike again!
09:28 Dyrcona Pakaging erlang with the distributed features turned off.
09:29 Dyrcona Thereby defeating the whole point of erlang.
09:29 tsbere Supposedly fixed, but not on any version we are running on our end. <_<
09:29 tsbere (which broke me testing stuff with it this weekend)
09:30 jeff "Oh honey, he's teasing you. Nobody has TWO computers."
09:36 kmlussier berick: We're due for another Bug Squashing Day in February. But I don't want it to interfere with 2.8 release activities. Do you have any thoughts on what timing would work best?
09:36 kmlussier Maybe we should put it off until March.
11:16 pinesol_green kmlussier: The operation succeeded.  kmlussier hates undrinkable coffee.
11:17 csharp @coffee kmlussier
11:17 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Kenya Peaberry Thika Gethumbwini, and sends it sliding down the bar to kmlussier
11:18 kmlussier csharp: Thank you! I'm sure it will be better than the cup I just poured down the drain.
11:25 kmlussier I apparently shouldn't be testing without my usual allotment of caffeine. I just set up a Vandelay match set that says "020 and 022 and 024 and 028" and then couldn't figure out why none of my incoming records were finding matches.
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11:35 kmlussier berick: I'm looking at bug 1350371. In the original description, you say Evergreen will "warn" the user if a duplicate PO name is used. The term "warn" makes me think a user can override the warning, but I don't see a way to override it and use the same PO name.
11:35 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1350371 in Evergreen "ACQ improved duplicate order detection" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1350371 - Assigned to Kathy Lussier (klussier)
11:36 kmlussier Should I be able to override it and use the same PO name if I need to? Or is it working as designed?
11:36 berick kmlussier: it should probably say "prevent"
14:19 gmcharlt ok, hearing no questions, moving on
14:19 gmcharlt #topic New business - quality assurance
14:19 gmcharlt kmlussier?
14:20 kmlussier Sure. The folks at MassLNC were revisiting the QA report done a little over a year ago.
14:21 kmlussier Since the report was issued, the community has come together to agree to do PGTap tests. But there are other recommendations that haven't been implemented yet.
14:21 kmlussier So I thought it would be good to start a discussion among all of you to get a sense of what you think is needed to implement some of those other recommendations.
14:22 jeff especially relevant since we're looking at a soon-to-be era where xulrunner is no more for Evergreen: ``there may be areas where improvements will be limited until Evergreen moves away from XULRunner''
14:23 kmlussier jeff: Are you thinking testing will become easier when we are off XULRunner?
14:24 dbs Even on the PGTap side of things, we haven't really kept up with our commitment to add tests as we change the SQL
14:24 jeff I was just quoting the part of the report that asserted (now I'm paraphrasing) that a move away from xulrunner would open the door for more improvements to QA and testing.
14:25 bshum So, I admittedly haven't read the full report in awhile, but I'm not seeing any specific approaches being suggested.  So the question on the floor is whether we would like to plan on finding some specifics and applying them towards say, the web client (as it's being created)
14:25 kmlussier Is part of the issue the fact that we don't have people with the expertise and/or time to take charge of QA?
14:26 eeevil kmlussier: I think that's The(tm) perpetual challenge ;)
14:26 gmcharlt time in particular
14:26 dbs But we kind of don't have the time to not do QA either
14:27 gmcharlt also true
14:27 kmlussier I also think testing goes beyond the client. For example, there were recommendations for a test suite to test for performance, for example.
14:27 dbs Lacking at least one person with expertise + time, though, yeah, it's a problem.
14:28 kmlussier So, I know there are people in the community who would be willing to put resources into bringing on a person to manage that process if it were needed.
14:29 kmlussier First, I think it would be good to know if that is, indeed, what is needed.
14:29 kmlussier Also, I didn't know if it would be worthwhile to look at other projects to see how QA is done. And, then, maybe pull the best from those projects to see what would work best for Evergreen.
14:30 jeffdavis What would "bringing on a person" entail?
14:30 berick well, there are some things we already have a good handle on (e.g. pgtap tests, perl unit tests, perl live tests).  for those types of things, i think we just have to make ourselves do it.
14:31 berick there's a lot we could do we're just not doing.
14:31 dbs amen
14:31 kmlussier berick: Does everyone contributing code have a good handle on that?
14:31 berick having someone whose job it is to think about it for big picture stuff would be great, but we shouldn't let that slow us down
14:32 jeff berick: during sprint 1 of the web client, you had some unit tests in place (correct me if i'm wrong) -- could you hazard a guess as to what percentage of interfaces have unit tests?
14:32 berick kmlussier: well, no, because we don't do it regularly enough for everyone of have templates to work from
14:32 gmcharlt a somewhat stricter attitude about requiring pgTap tests and Perl unit tests to accompany patches would be a step forward for the 2.8 cycle
14:32 berick jeff: those unit tests were almost entirely focused on the services (i.e. the stuff under the interfaces)
14:33 berick jeff: so, very little UI coverage
14:33 berick gmcharlt: agreed
14:34 jeff berick: got it. thanks.
14:35 phasefx jfyi, one notion I encountered was to not focus on testing "services" through the UI, but the test the UI itself (widgets, etc.) if testing the UI, and test the services more closely to where they live if testing the services
14:35 kmlussier I think my group would be in favor of stricter requirements for tests and whatever else you can do now.
14:35 gmcharlt as far as I'm concerned personally, providing pgTap + perl tests for the stuff I'm slated to do for 2.8 is easy enough
14:36 kmlussier But if the developers, as a group, told me, "we really need somebody to manage this process," I would do what I could to make that happen.
14:37 dbs I imagine the developers are trying to imagine how such a person dropped into our midst could actually manage the process.
14:37 kmlussier I'm mostly concerned that there is still more testing beyond pgTap and perl tests that we need to be doing.
14:37 dbs Buy-in would be tough.
14:38 jeff I consider myself a novice with regard to Perl tests, and moreso with regard to pgTap tests. I'd be willing to extract knowledge and experience from others and formulate something of a reference / set of guidelines for contributors in the hope that it would help myself and others include appropriate tests in contributions.
14:38 gmcharlt on the other hand -- somebody who had an explicit committment to review patches (and who could come up the speed) might be an easier dose of medicine, as it were
14:38 kmlussier Yes, well, that's why I'm raising the questions here.
14:39 * dbs would like to automatically test the TPAC for basic accessibility compliance, ensuring RDFa comes out right, ensuring data is displayed as expected (which would be hella useful if we move misc_util.tt2 into Perl module land)
14:39 jeff dbs++ good job putting words to what I was thinking ("dropped into our midst" comment above)
14:40 kmlussier Well, any new developer is essentially "dropped into our midst," right?
14:40 berick jeff: i'd be happy to help review/edit any such guidlines
14:40 dbs Unfortunately most of those tests would require python for RDFLib and I'm not keen on introducing more dependencies
14:40 gmcharlt dbs: does that translate to "you are willing to help set up such testing"?  I'd be happy to collaborate with you on that
14:41 jeff berick++ sounds good.
14:41 dbs kmlussier: yes, but the mindset is often such that a new developer == "yay they're helping build this thing" vs "this person is getting in the way"
14:41 gmcharlt vs "this stranger is TELLING US WHAT TO DO. OH NOES!"
14:43 berick i would welcome someone whose job it was to research and present ideas, proofs-of-concept, etc. on QA stuff.
14:43 berick "manage" and "take charge" may not be the right words
14:43 berick "drive" maybe
14:43 jeff berick: as 2.8 RM how do you feel about gmcharlt's proposal of "a somewhat stricter attitude about requiring" tests?
14:43 dbs "Hey, look at what you can do with a few lines of additional code"
14:43 kmlussier Yes, "drive" is a good word. :) As gmcharlt said, somebody with an explicit commitment.
14:44 gmcharlt berick: and "review patches"... I really think it does need to be grounded
14:44 berick jeff: +1 from me for bumping to strictness level 2
14:44 berick gmcharlt: ah, yes, that would ideal
14:45 jeff gmcharlt: am i correct in thinking that koha has an explicit "QA" signoff? Is that a mostly automatic (tests passed!) signoff, or is that a human signing off with a specific eye toward QA?
14:46 jeff (deja vu -- i may have asked this question before)
14:46 gmcharlt jeff: the Koha process seeks two signoffs
14:46 gmcharlt 1st signoff is from essentially anybody who can install the patch and run it through its paces
14:47 dbs #link One accessibility checking API: http://wave.webaim.org/api/ (costs $$$ but it's an option)
14:47 gmcharlt the 2nd, QA signoff is based on an inspection by a human member of the QA team + the patches passing a set of extra, mostly static source-code level tests
14:47 berick as far as 2.8 goes, we'll need some guidelines for building tests, what the minimal requirements are.  I can build/collaborate on that.  i'll obviously need input, though.
14:47 berick and since it's late in the game, we'll have to be pretty forgiving
14:48 jeff sure. nobody's proposing FESTIVITY^WSTRICTNESS LEVEL 4.
14:49 gmcharlt so we have, to sum up, the following concrete suggestions at th emoment
14:49 gmcharlt 1. incrementing the strictness level
14:49 gmcharlt 2. berick et al writing up some guidelines and templates for pgTAP and perl unit tests
14:49 gmcharlt 3. dbs and galen putting together some automatic testing of TPAC and RDFa output
14:50 gmcharlt and less concretely, some fuzzy input on desiderata for a "QA person"
14:50 dbs #link another accessibility checking API: https://github.com/inclusive-design/AChecker (GPL v2)
14:50 * gmcharlt has used AChecker in the past, FWIW
14:51 kmlussier gmcharlt: Would it be helpful if someone (I can volunteer) do an environmental scan of other projects and who they handle these issues?
14:52 gmcharlt kmlussier: I haz thoughts on the matter and would be interested in working with you on it
14:53 kmlussier jeff: The who is part of it, but the overall process too.
14:53 kmlussier gmcharlt: Thanks!
14:55 gmcharlt so, just to double-check -- are folks (particularly committers) OK with stricter enforcement of providing pgTAP & perl unit tests for the 2.8 cycle?
14:55 eeevil may I as that followups happen on the -dev list? (rather than -general, not to exclude folks, but to avoid pulling in -dev help)
14:55 eeevil the kmlussier + gmcharlt + dbs + berick + others followups, I mean
14:56 kmlussier eeevil: That's fine with me
14:56 gmcharlt agreed
14:56 jeff It will make some things harder, but those things may well be the things that would most benefit from unit tests.
14:57 jeff (or pgTAP tests)
14:57 eeevil gmcharlt: for my part (re agreement), yes, where applicable and reasonable (that is, not useless for lack of context), stricter enforcement of tests
14:57 * eeevil does not plan to write tests that require a mock env that emulates all of Evergreen ... fwiw ;)
14:57 gmcharlt eeevil: indeed - I can point to some examples in recent memory of cases where some testing-for-the-sake-of-following-the-rules was in play
14:58 jeff eeevil: I don't think that any of our employers have enough time that tests for the sole sake of tests will be a common thing. :-)
14:58 phasefx are we excluding or including integration tests here against live test systems?
14:58 gmcharlt but I will emphasize that at the moment, Evergreen is in no danger of that!
14:58 eeevil gmcharlt: fair ;)
14:58 berick phasefx:  I was hoping to encourage the use of live tests for changes that can't be tested in a vacuum, if that's what you're asking
14:58 gmcharlt OK, I'm going to summarize, then move on to the next agenda item
14:59 phasefx berick: sounds good to me, and I just saw eeevil's desire not to build  huge mock environments :)
14:59 gmcharlt #item There is general agreement that for the 2.8 cycle, we'll be stricter about requiring relevant pgTAP & perl unit tests
14:59 gmcharlt #info There is general agreement that for the 2.8 cycle, we'll be stricter about requiring relevant pgTAP & perl unit tests
14:59 gmcharlt #info berick will write some guidelines on writing Perl and pgTAP tests
15:00 gmcharlt #info dbs and gmcharlt will work on automating accessibility and RDFa tests of TPAC
15:00 jeff berick: see what i did there, how that turned from you reviewing/editing to writing those from scratch? ;-)
15:00 gmcharlt #info kmlussier will do an environement scan of QA practices and experts in other project, with help from gmcharlt and others
15:00 * jeff ducks
15:21 gmcharlt #topic Negative blances / billing improvements
15:21 gmcharlt #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1198465
15:21 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1198465 in Evergreen "Support for Conditional Negative Balances" (affected: 14, heat: 66) [Wishlist,Confirmed]
15:21 dbwells I'm already late for another meeting, so I'll make this quick.
15:21 dbwells Basically, I'm just fishing for help in testing some or all of the billing changes which have grown on that bug.
15:22 dbwells As I stated in the agenda, I think separating out the root-level stuff and getting that tested/committed first would be a good strategy.  Any takers for testing?
15:22 berick dbwells: +1 to the idea of breaking out cstore billing to its own LP.  I would help poke at that.
15:22 jeff I'm interested in testing.
15:22 berick it's much more digestable...
15:22 kmlussier I'm interested in testing too.
15:22 dbwells sweet, thanks all
15:22 jeff I hate to ask, but... are there tests in the root-level stuff at this point in time?
15:23 dbwells I've been working this morning on getting the cstore stuff separated, it wasn't too bad.
15:23 dbwells jeff: Only in that it doesn't (or mightn't) break the existing billing tests.
15:24 dbwells At least that portion isn't meant to do anything new.  Not that we couldn't always use more tests, of course.
15:24 jeff In some ways, that's enough! Always nice when there are existing relevant tests. :-)
15:24 gmcharlt #action dbwells will separate the cstore billing code into a separate bug; jeff and berick will help with testing
15:25 gmcharlt and I suggest follow-up to open-ils-dev
15:25 dbwells I am out for now.  Thanks again to those who volunteered; expect to be bugged by me soon.
15:25 jeff dbwells++
15:26 kmlussier dbwells++
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16:59 bshum Calling 0903
17:03 pinesol_green Showing latest 5 of 6 commits to Evergreen...
17:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP#980296: Add void of lost processing fee on claims returned. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=806ecaa>
17:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP#980296: Update void on claims returned for longoverdue status. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=fc361aa>
17:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] LP#980296: pgtap tests for the void on claims returned org settings. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=a98eac1>
17:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#980296: Release notes entry for voiding lost on Claims Return - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=db91d15>
17:03 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#980296: Stamping upgrade script for void lost on claims returned, etc. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e75501d>
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15:40 kmlussier Awww, thanks! I always assumed I was the thorn in everyone's side. ;)
15:41 kmlussier buzzy: Do you have credentials to add an announcement to the Evergreen blog or do you want somebody else to do that?
15:42 buzzy hmm, that's a good question. let me check
15:43 berick bshum: i'm curious if anything came from your testing of bug 1261777
15:43 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1261777 in Evergreen "User editor cloned address owner link fails to load new tab" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1261777
15:43 buzzy i do, in fact. i'll do that now.
15:43 bshum berick: I probably got side tracked and didn't finish testing from a clean install.  I can try it again though.
15:44 bshum It looks straightforward enough....
15:45 berick bshum: well, i'm just doing some bug wrangling.  it's not urgent.
15:45 bshum berick: It's fine, wrangle away.  I'll add it to my list of things to take a look over though for you.
15:46 berick thanks, bshum
16:40 bshum pinesol_green: obey me, slave!
16:40 pinesol_green bshum: http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content.ph​p?theme=2&amp;music=6&amp;url=evergreen-ils.org
16:43 Bmagic bshum: it also writes to /tmp/blablabla file, while the edi process is running, I can snag that file and read it. It has stuff in it! weird
16:43 kmlussier bshum/buzzy: I could be wrong, but I believe we allow attendees to edit their registrations in Eventbrite. If so, that might be a way to add on the lunches at a later date.
16:43 kmlussier But I can test that further after I register.
16:48 * kmlussier thinks she will add the conference to http://opensource.com/resources​/conferences-and-events-monthly
16:48 bshum @whoami
16:48 pinesol_green bshum: bshum
16:48 bshum Good.
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17:05 kmlussier Have a nice night everyone!
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17:06 Bmagic bshum: I setup a ftp server and tested edi against that, it worked! So it is the FTP..... off to contact their server admin. Thanks everyone!
17:07 bshum Bmagic: Good luck!
17:08 jeffdavis mrpeters: It supports checkout. I don't recall seeing that kind of lag, but I'll ask folks who have done more of the testing.
17:09 mrpeters that would be great, i'd love to hear how long it takes.  We didn't have as good of results as it seems you have had.
17:12 jeffdavis mrpeters: I do know grabbing availability details is usually quite fast. Getting a list of a patron's current holds/checkouts can be a little slow, but still only a few seconds (not as much as 15). I'll let you know what I hear back.
17:13 mrpeters thats great to hear

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09:57 kmlussier bshum: You don't hate server power failures?
09:58 bshum Not today anyways.
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10:32 csharp wow - so postgres replication is not at all scary to setup - nowhere near as complicated as slony
10:32 csharp I'm running it in some test VMs - so far so good
10:33 kmlussier csharp: Is that something you're thinking of doing in production?
10:33 bshum csharp: It is pretty awesome.
10:33 kmlussier I know it's something that OmniTI recommended in their report.
13:32 Dyrcona I used to like pam, but now I don't. :)
13:33 eeevil heh
13:39 Dyrcona What I'm not finding is what happens if the limits for all uses is set to 65535 and the line is commented out in su. Will pam use some built-in limit?
13:42 jeff even if i thought i knew the answer, i'd test by doing something like echoing the output of uname -a into a file from within an init script that uses su
13:42 jeff (from a command run with su from an init script, that is)
13:48 Dyrcona Here's a little something from the Debian wiki: Note that pam_limits is not used in /etc/pam.d/common-session and /etc/pam.d/common-session-noninteractive, so it won't be active for daemons
13:51 Dyrcona Dunno if that applies here for certain, since the init script does use su.
13:51 Dyrcona Dunno if setting in either of those files would do anything.
16:27 dbs and then we'll get to try and deal with RDA :)
16:28 dbs Next stop, BIBFRAME
16:30 kmlussier dbs++
17:05 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Failure - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
17:12 dbs Archive::Zip--
17:13 dbs We've been living with broken windows and ugly graffitti too long
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Results for 2015-01-08

05:09 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Failure - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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09:39 * csharp rubs hands together evilly
09:40 collum http://themushroomkingdom.net/media/smw/wav
09:41 csharp collum++
09:41 bshum I remember that site
09:42 bshum I borrowed clips from there to experiment once on one of my test servers :)
09:45 bshum Hmm
09:45 bshum https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/638509
09:45 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 638509 in Evergreen 2.4 "renewing lost items fails unintuitively" (affected: 6, heat: 30) [Medium,Confirmed]
09:45 bshum Dyrcona has some code on that bug
09:45 bshum Maybe we should pull it out of the dark
11:31 Dyrcona This is a case of, "We expect you to know something about Linux before you install Evergreen." ;)
11:31 kmlussier I'm filing an LP bug. I'll work on it if I have time, but it will be there in case somebody else has the tuits to do it.
11:32 * dbs looks at the "20 * * * *" he has had running in production for the past five years and wonders why he hasn't seen problems
11:32 bshum kmlussier: Well not running it during the day may not be a problem for long if we tested tsbere's fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1018011 and found it to solve the issue.
11:32 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1018011 in Evergreen "Incorrect copy status caused by reshelving process colliding with item checkout" (affected: 5, heat: 24) [Medium,Confirmed]
11:33 dbs Ah, academics don't tend to be busy relative to publics, but yes, those symptoms sound familiar.
11:34 bshum dbs: I think Bmagic included a query for the auditor table to identify items that go through these bad transitions.
13:53 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1401177 in Evergreen 2.6 "Results of a metarecord search will display duplicate format icons" (affected: 5, heat: 26) [Medium,Fix committed]
13:54 dbs Seq Scan on billing, yay
13:54 bshum csharp: See above
13:54 csharp dbs: when I tested long ago on our test server with real PINES data, it was speedy to acceptable
13:54 csharp dbs: but it's been a while
13:55 csharp bshum++ # thanks
13:56 * dbs throws in CREATE INDEX CONCURRENTLY m_b_xact_time_idx ON money.billing (xact, billing_ts); and gets an index scan instead
13:59 dbs Still 8600 ms
14:00 dbs But better than the 16500ms without the index
16:38 * bshum likes dbs' patches anyways
16:39 * kmlussier loves it when Conifer catches up. :)
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Results for 2015-01-07

11:39 bshum We talked about calling the developer target if we select packager right?
11:39 bshum Since we need the developer pre-req's to build the web client properly
11:39 berick yes, i'll add that too
11:39 bshum berick++ # looking forward to testing :)
11:42 dbwells berick: bshum: I'd be happy to look over and otherwise help out with a EG build wiki page.  For maintenence releases, I have it mostly boiled down now to a list of 20 or so commands which I copy and paste :)
11:42 dbwells A few parts could be easily scripted, but I haven't gotten lazy enough yet.
11:45 berick dbwells: this list of which you speak...
12:22 dbwells With ".." we see every commit since the common ancestor.  With "--cherry-pick --right-only A...B", we see every commit since the common ancestor, minus those which have an equivalent commit on "the other side".  That's my understanding, at least :)
12:23 dbwells Plus, I think the "--cherry-pick --right-only" options we have in there do nothing with the ".." operator, so something has to give.
12:24 * berick escorts 2 git commands into the thunderdome
12:34 dbwells I think it only matters when crossing a major version, as that's the only time the common ancestor won't be linear with the possible changes.
12:36 dbwells berick: You're probably trying the same thing, but I just tested a changelog from rel_2_5_5...rel_2_6_0 vs rel_2_5_5..rel_2_6_0, and the "..." successfully excluded 950dede414 / 6ec8bcea7e as being equivalent (and thus not a real change).
12:36 pinesol_green [evergreen|Liam Whalen] LP#1037171 Removed Expert Search paramters from subject links - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=950dede>
12:36 pinesol_green [evergreen|Liam Whalen] LP#1037171 Removed Expert Search paramters from subject links - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6ec8bce>
12:38 dbwells With the full command being that from the build script: git log --cherry-pick --right-only --no-merges --pretty --summary --numstat rel_2_5_5...rel_2_6_0
12:38 dbwells vs. git log --cherry-pick --right-only --no-merges --pretty --summary --numstat rel_2_5_5..rel_2_6_0
12:39 berick dbwells: got sidetracked, so thanks for testing..  shall I pull it into master?
12:40 dbwells berick: Yes, I am confident now :)
12:40 berick cool, will do in a few minutes
12:40 bshum dbwells++

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