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08:24 kmlussier g'morning!
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08:51 kmlussier @coffee [someone]
08:51 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of El Salvador Pacamara Finca Los Alpes The Bank, and sends it sliding down the bar to serflog
08:51 bshum Hah
08:51 kmlussier Is serflog a bot?
08:51 bshum That's the ilbot IRC logger.
08:51 bshum Yes.
08:52 kmlussier pinesol_green has a habit of sending coffee and desserts to other bots
08:52 pinesol_green kmlussier: Evergreen Command Center http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1204​/EndeavourFlightDeck_cooper_1050.jpg
08:52 pinesol_green kmlussier: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
08:52 kmlussier @coffee [someone]
08:52 * pinesol_green brews and pours a cup of Guatemala El Diamante, and sends it sliding down the bar to graced
08:52 mmorgan The bots are conspiring to get all the coffee and dessert ;-)
08:53 kmlussier That's better. graced deserves a nice cup of coffee. :)
08:56 kmlussier Hmmm...the serials batch receive interface doesn't seem to auto-generate barcodes anymore. Has anyone else noticed that?
08:56 kmlussier Or maybe I'm just using it wrong.
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09:01 dbwells Good morning all.  For any who didn't see it, or as a reminder, we're going to be discussing the OPW style guide project over in #opw-evergreen.  We sometimes have specific topics, but it is pretty wide open today.  Please feel free to join us!
09:04 jboyer-isl pinesol_green, are you bot-ist?
09:04 pinesol_green jboyer-isl: Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
09:04 pinesol_green jboyer-isl: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
09:25 abowling ++pinesol_green: careful, man. there's a beverage here!
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09:26 abowling i'm down with any bot that's down with the dude
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09:37 krvmga i'm surprise how much my work desk looks like the space shuttle flight deck.
09:37 krvmga as designed by a little kid
09:38 * krvmga thinks my desk looks like the Calvin & Hobbes version of the shuttle flight deck.
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10:20 dbs berick: I'm opening bugs that I'm targeting at 2.8 with the goal of creating branches to support them in early February. Is that about right, or will that be too late for the code?
10:21 berick dbs: no, that's fine
10:21 berick the only real deadline is the late feb. beta cutoff
10:36 dbs cool, thanks berick
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12:20 berick not done yet, but FYI http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/d​oku.php?id=dev:contributing:qa
12:21 jeff berick++
12:32 kmlussier berick++
12:33 dbs berick++
12:36 RoganH berick++
12:39 dbwells berick++  I was just looking for the live test info yesterday!  I stumbled my way through it...
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13:10 * Dyrcona just signed in to say, "Hey!"
13:12 berick Dyrcona just called... to say... he loooooves us
13:13 Dyrcona :)
13:22 phasefx_ berick++
13:25 kmlussier Ha ha.
13:26 kmlussier Now that song will be stuck in my head all day.
13:26 kmlussier @blame berick
13:26 pinesol_green kmlussier: berick caused the white screen of death!
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13:47 kmlussier Mark your calendars - March 2 will be our next Bug Squashing Day!
13:50 kmlussier All release do include a linux client, don't they?
13:50 goood kmlussier: I believe so
13:50 bshum kmlussier: We do put up the linux clients nowadays.
13:51 kmlussier Sorry, I was just remarking on a list email in channel.
13:56 jboyer-isl kmlussier, You have to build them yourself, but yes, they're in there. As someone who has built a couple Mac clients, it is a very manual process (And requires a Mac at minimum, possibly a Windows machine too, because you've got to use the Window's client's guts).
13:56 jboyer-isl 'too 'much 'like 'scheme...
13:57 dbs Linux clients are a cinch to build.
13:57 dbs tsbere++
13:57 bshum kmlussier: Yeah on the downloads page, we have links to the 32 and 64-bit linux clients
13:57 bshum And you basically just rip out the innards of an Evergreen app on a Mac and put the 64-bit linux files in there.
13:57 bshum And edit the info file
13:58 bshum To make it compatible.
13:58 kmlussier I don't have a Mac, so it's hard for me to picture it, but it might be a fun thing to try doing someday. If I had a Mac, that is.
13:58 jboyer-isl Ah, that's better than installing the Windows version and digging through folders.
13:58 bshum I would build Mac clients, but I don't officially own a mac anymore.
13:59 bshum I used to do it, back when I had a Mac of my own.
13:59 bshum If Ashbury bought me a Mac, I would guarantee community Mac clients for them :)
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14:01 jboyer-isl I don't mind doing it if release maintainers ping me when new releases are out.
14:02 Dyrcona You could theoretically build a mac client on Linux. It just isn't easy.
14:03 Dyrcona XulRunner on Mac OS X is very iffy, though.
14:03 bshum It's brittle.
14:03 jeff s/on Mac OS X /
14:03 Dyrcona I've had all kinds of problems in the past with the UI being broken.
14:03 kmlussier bshum: You should extend the offer to them. Sounds like a bargain to me. :)
14:03 jeff s/on Mac OS X // even
14:04 Dyrcona jeff: heh.
14:04 bshum Dyrcona: It's still broken in certain places.  Like backgrounds not being filled in.  or rendering errors.
14:04 jeff the transparent errors quirk is fun.
14:04 kmlussier If we took jboyer-isl up on his offer, then, would we put Mac clients on the download page too?
14:05 Dyrcona bshum If you try running a XUL app via command line: xulrunner --app /path/to/whatever.whateverextension, then anything you type goes to the console, and not the text widgets.
14:05 tsbere As a general note on client building: The "generic client" is probably the best one to grab for mac builds. In part because the resulting file has no binaries.
14:05 jboyer-isl I have to say I've not noticed too many issues with it, but that's at home and I may not be hitting the same things that other people run into.
14:06 Dyrcona It might work better if run via firefox --app ....
14:06 bshum kmlussier: I have mixed feelings, but I guess it's not different than what we do now for "official releases" where volunteers make everything anyways.
14:06 bshum :D
14:06 jboyer-isl tsbere, that is a good tip. I've never bothered grabbing a windows install dir in the past because it has to be the same release as the one on my laptop, but this would be different.
14:07 jboyer-isl "never been bothered," that is.
14:07 kmlussier bshum: Why the mixed feelings?
14:07 bshum kmlussier: Mostly in that if something went wrong with the client, I couldn't help to support it.
14:07 bshum Since I don't have a Mac.
14:07 Dyrcona I've found taking the generic client and running the xulrunner --install_app or whatever option on it, creates a Mac OS X .app that seems to work OK>
14:08 Dyrcona You have to do that on a Mac, of course.
14:08 tsbere jboyer-isl: Oh, and supposedly there is a way to take said generic client, run with the appropriate xulrunner version and specific command lines, and turn it into an installed mac app.
14:08 bshum So if we build it, people use it, and they say "X is broken", we can't help them.
14:08 kmlussier bshum: Ah, I see what you're saying. So it's a question of whether there are enough people in the community who can support issues that arise with a Mac client?
14:08 * Dyrcona no longer has a Mac that works.
14:08 tsbere jboyer-isl: Ahh, what Dyrcona was just talking about
14:08 Dyrcona Well, I do, but it's a "Grape" iMac sitting in the attic. The Mac Books are all in various states of dead.
14:09 * Dyrcona isn't so sure the grape still works, either. It probably needs a new motherboard battery at least.
14:14 Dyrcona Hmm.. Does a 6100 count? It actually has 72MB of RAM!
14:15 jboyer-isl Dyrcona, Luxury!
14:16 Dyrcona For 1992, it was luxury.
14:16 Dyrcona I don't recall if the CPU was 60 or 66 MHz.
14:17 Dyrcona It hasn't been used since 2002, and it last ran MkLinux.
14:17 Dyrcona It made a decent dial-on-demand gateway for a while.
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14:30 jboyer-isl I had an old DEC Alpha running NetBSD doing my dial on demand for a while, until the static from a sweeper wrecked it's serial port. :-/ (Probably for the best, as far as the power bill is concerned)
14:31 kmlussier tsbere: Does the fine generator run  in a cron job on the MassLNC VM's?
14:32 tsbere kmlussier: Er, I don't recall if cron jobs in general end up running on the VMs. Probably not. Running crontab <path to example crontab file> from the command line would fix it, though.
14:33 kmlussier No, that's okay. I don't need to fix it. I'm just trying to figure out why I'm looking at the same patron record on 2 different VM's and saw that the fines accrued on one, but not the other.
14:33 kmlussier The one that shows the fines was built yesterday, so an overnight cron job would explain it.
14:34 jboyer-isl kmlussier, or certain circ activities, depending on what's been done with that account.
14:35 kmlussier jboyer-isl: Maybe, but they're both using the Concerto dataset, so I suspect the circ activites should be the same for each.
14:35 tsbere kmlussier: Huh, apparently I *did* rig the cronjobs to run. Go figure. Apparently you asked me to.
14:36 kmlussier tsbere: Sounds like something I would do. ;)
14:36 kmlussier OK, then everything is as it should be.
14:37 kmlussier bshum: At first glance, the lost and paid fix looks good. I just want to check a couple of other things first before signing off on it.
14:37 kmlussier But it will have to wait until after I pick my daughter up from school.
14:51 bshum kmlussier: That's fine, I might push off cutting till next Monday at the rate I'm going.  Plus releasing on a Friday seems weirdly like shoving things out when nobody's watching.
14:53 jcamins bshum: Friday releases are the best.
14:54 jcamins Two and a half days of everything spontaneously breaking.
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14:55 tsbere Nah. Day before you go on vacation with no expectation of anyone being able to contact you. ;)
14:57 jcamins tsbere: touché.
15:02 Dyrcona Speaking of breaking...
15:03 Dyrcona False alarm. It was a text from my daughter's school, not from icinga.
15:29 jeff "oh, school burned down (no injuries). phew. i thought the SAN had gone down or something."
15:39 Dyrcona Nah, just a routine thing about an upcoming event.
15:39 Dyrcona Fine Arts Night
15:42 jeff i should probably test this report with a query that completes in less than 31s.
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16:31 kmlussier Have a great weekend everyone!
16:36 bshum kmlussier++ # thanks for testing my fix for lost&paid :)
16:37 bshum Have a nice weekend.
16:41 mmorgan kmlussier++ bshum++
16:49 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] LP#1412893: Only apply lost and paid status with the proper transactions - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=609db84>
17:10 pinesol_green Incoming from qatests: Test Success - http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.html>
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