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* csharp |
dives in and hopes for the best |
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jboyer-isl |
csharp: If that will work, you'll likely have to use \$ because it looks like it's expecting regex syntax, where $ is special. |
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berick |
csharp: record display attributes only affect display :( |
| 14:22 |
csharp |
it makes sense to me that it would be regexp syntax, and I'm told that was tried and didn't work, but I'll test it myself |
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csharp |
berick: ah |
| 14:23 |
csharp |
hmm - so the acq code expects *no* dollar sign, but the file has them - is there a way to remove them within EG? or would that have to be done externally? |
| 14:23 |
csharp |
well, specifically, the DB rejects the '$' character as non-numeric |
| 14:23 |
csharp |
so I guess the acq code doesn't know or care |
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berick |
code would have to be added to make that happen within ACQ |
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* tsbere |
loves the vendor "But other <ils> customers have no issues" response - Half the time I get a list of those "other customers" I find they aren't using Evergreen. |
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berick |
acq being what it is, there are a number of vendor-specific hacks in the acq code. adding one to strip '$' from the price field does not seem crazy. |
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tsbere |
Of course, then there are the vendors that say "But other <ils> customers have no issues" with <ils> *not* being Evergreen. At which point I get to say "That is all well and good. We are using Evergreen, not <other ils>" >_> |
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berick |
or strip all non-numbers |
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* csharp |
creates bug 1449724 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1449724 in Evergreen "Acq Record Import Fails because of dollar sign in price field" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1449724 |
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csharp |
berick: I could see that you made a lot of progress on it ;-) |
| 11:34 |
berick |
maybe we can get some progress on that at egcon |
| 11:34 |
csharp |
I'll totally help with that if I can |
| 11:34 |
berick |
yes, you can help test |
| 11:34 |
csharp |
perfect |
| 11:34 |
berick |
IIRC, there's just a few fields remaining that have to be mapped. |
| 11:34 |
berick |
then it's testing time |
| 11:35 |
csharp |
awesome |
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csharp |
so once the A/T thing is in place, it might be worth incorporating edi /openils stuff into the standard installation process |
| 11:38 |
csharp |
"thing"... "stuff" - technical jargon be damned! |
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eeevil |
has anyone other than gmcharlt looked at LP 1438136? |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1438136 in Evergreen "OPAC searching significantly slowed by adding format filters" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438136 |
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eeevil |
or, the linked branch, more correctly |
| 13:40 |
csharp |
eeevil: I applied it to a test server and see far faster search times - I don't have an opinion about the implementation beyond that though |
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Dyrcona |
eeevil: I loaded it on my dev system, which is 9.1 and apparently didn't need it, but I can say it caused no problems there. |
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eeevil |
just hoping for a merge before the next point release, is all |
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RoganH |
I can add it to our test and measure results tonight. |
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kmlussier |
eeevil: Is C/W MARS in production? If so, would it help if they added a comment to the LP bug reporting that it's working well for them? |
| 13:53 |
eeevil |
kmlussier: they're using it, and I think it would. I'm trying to avoid self-merging, but if that's what is needed to get it in, I will |
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jboyer-isl |
(Also, time works ever against me. :( ) |
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Dyrcona |
Well, I have no business signing off, since I obviously didn't look hard enough. :) |
| 14:22 |
RoganH |
I was just looking at our current search return numbers but they're even on our low powered test system orders of magnitude faster than csharp's. I don't know if I'd find anything worth signing off on other than "this didn't screw up an existing system" |
| 14:28 |
kmlussier |
After talking to C/W MARS, I'm not comfortable signing off either. They aren't seeing the huge difference between limited searches and non-limited searches anymore. However, they are seeing slower overall search performance since their upgrade. |
| 14:28 |
kmlussier |
Since the patch was applied as part of their upgrade, it's difficult for me to know if that change was partially caused by the patch or whether it was due to something else. |
| 14:39 |
csharp |
kmlussier: Terran was just testing here, and the challenge was trying to find search terms that weren't already cached by the live server - dunno if that's a factor there, but after a number of tries, Terran definitely sees the difference between pre- and post-fix |
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kmlussier |
csharp: Yeah. I can definitely say that the format limiting problem was resolved. Their format-limited searches were timing out on their test system before their upgrade. |
| 14:43 |
kmlussier |
I just don't know if the other reported search slowness was a result of the patch, a result of the upgrade, or the result of something else. Too many moving parts. |
| 14:44 |
csharp |
kmlussier: well, the sure fire way to know is with an actual query from the postgres logs |
| 14:44 |
csharp |
that can be EXPLAIN ANALYZEd |
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kmlussier |
I'll forward that along to them |
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kmlussier |
jonadab: Well, there is the Douglas county model for purchasing ebooks - http://douglascountylibraries.org/content/ebooks-and-DCL |
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csharp |
tsbere: that's nice to know |
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csharp |
well, one of the selling points on our end for RT is that it's in use by other EG sites, which might lead to some EG/RT integration ideas in the future? |
| 12:34 |
csharp |
one of the originally envisioned features of Evergreen was helpdesk integration, but it didn't get very far |
| 12:38 |
bshum |
You know, speaking of bib sources... |
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bshum |
Anyone got a test server with 2.8/master around and can test something for me |
| 12:38 |
bshum |
So I got a report from our staff that loading bibs is causing the bib source to change to the latest source on merges. |
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bshum |
Instead of staying at the original source. |
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bshum |
During match-only merge. |
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bshum |
I'm getting into it shortly, but curious to see if I can verify that it's not just our systems. |
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Dyrcona |
I could test it, but I'm too busy to do that today. |
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bshum |
Aha |
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bshum |
But long-term, it sounds like we should file a bug to make this some sort of setting controlled option. |
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mllewellyn |
like a bib source hierarchy |
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Dyrcona |
The bib source change was intended to make records get the bib source selected in the vandelay import because we had fresh records loading (not overlay records) and getting a null bib source. |
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Dyrcona |
The branch was evaluated on that basis, and overlay was not on my radar in the testing that I did. |
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bshum |
I could see avoiding that being helpful. |
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* bshum |
rips it out for now so that mllewellyn's work isn't disrupted. |
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bshum |
I'll file a new bug on the subject in a bit. |
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bshum |
mllewellyn: I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1447746 to make sure I didn't forget it. |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1447746 in Evergreen "Do not update bib source on match-only merge" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] |
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kmlussier |
berick (or anyone else who knows the answer): I've seen instructions to install hatch on linux and on windows. Will it also work on macs? |
| 14:11 |
jeff |
it is intended to, but I've not been able to test that becase of my ancient version of OS X. |
| 14:12 |
kmlussier |
jeff: OK, thank you! |
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mllewellyn |
bshum: thank you |
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bshum |
mllewellyn++ # getting the word out |
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berick |
so, it didin't really take hold for 2.8 for various reasons. |
| 15:36 |
berick |
i'd really like some input on the wiki doc before we start forcing anything |
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berick |
and if we're goign to start requiring QA contributions for 2.9, we need to solidify the plan now-ish |
| 15:37 |
jeff |
short of boiling the ocean, what do you think our approach should be for "this changes the behavior of something large and complex which has no existing tests"? |
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jeff |
(not that this particular ocean doesn't deserve boiling...) |
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berick |
jeff: do you mean areas of the code where there is no test structure? |
| 15:38 |
jeff |
case-by-case exception with a high bar, but discretion to the RM? |
| 15:38 |
jeff |
berick: yes, exactly. |
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berick |
honestly, if we could people started on using the test structure we have, that would be a big win |
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bshum |
Speaking of RM, who'll that be for 2.9 :) |
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berick |
bshum: yeah, this conversation makes me think again about nominating RM's earlier in the process |
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bshum |
Yeah, I think we should start thinking like that. |
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dbwells |
If we want the RM to make calls on "tested enough"-ness, we'll more or less need the RM to approve everything. That's pretty far from what we've done before, but certainly exists in other projects, from what I'm told. |
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kmlussier |
I don't feel qualified to comment on the wiki page, but if there is anything somebody like me can do to help with this, let me know. |
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jeff |
dbwells: I was thinking more along the lines of "has tests == good, anyone can merge", vs "no tests because REASONS, merge is at RM discretion" |
| 15:41 |
dbwells |
jeff: makes sense, thanks for clarifying |
| 15:41 |
gmcharlt |
dbwells: from somebody who has been RM in such a kind of project... that is a big burden to put on the RM |
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dbs |
Are tests in place for the web staff client, along the lines of https://docs.angularjs.org/guide/unit-testing ? |
| 15:42 |
dbwells |
gmcharlt: I can imagine. |
| 15:43 |
berick |
expanding on jeff's last comment.. "no tests because no framework exists to test this" would cover a lot things |
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berick |
that would leave a fairly limited number of cases where the RM would have to decide |
| 15:43 |
gmcharlt |
now giving the RM more mental space to throw things back if not done enough -- and have those decisions not be nibbled to death by the Ducks of Merge It Now -- is something that would be a step forward |
| 15:44 |
dbwells |
the endless nibbling! |
| 15:44 |
csharp |
probably an obvious point, but it also raises the bar for a qualified RM |
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jeffdavis |
Is there a tag in LP meaning "has code, needs tests"? |
| 15:44 |
bshum |
jeffdavis: needsignoff ? |
| 15:45 |
jeffdavis |
Do we want something more specific? |
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* gmcharlt |
is inclined to think so - at least to try it out |
| 15:46 |
jeffdavis |
Signoff to me implies "I've tried this, it works on my system." |
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gmcharlt |
"needstest"? |
| 15:46 |
jeff |
needstests? needsqa? |
| 15:46 |
gmcharlt |
er, needstests |
| 15:46 |
gmcharlt |
(not One Test To Rule Them All) |
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* csharp |
is having deja vu |
| 15:46 |
jeff |
csharp: that might be bad. is it bad? |
| 15:47 |
dbs |
#qualityisjob1 |
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* gmcharlt |
tosses out a wild idea |
| 15:49 |
gmcharlt |
do we want to make QA the Official Theme (TM) of the dev portion of hackfest/ |
| 15:49 |
gmcharlt |
? |
| 15:49 |
jeff |
dbs: there are some tests for the angular bits, using karma. commit 75e466e contains one example. i can't say what coverage is like. |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1402797 browser client interval parser - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=75e466e> |
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jeff |
gmcharlt: if nothing came out of the hackfest but every interested contributor was better equipped to write tests... i'm not sure i'd be disappointed. |
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* gmcharlt |
sources a troop of cats to give out at the conferences |
| 15:51 |
gmcharlt |
very special cats |
| 15:51 |
gmcharlt |
cats who hiss ... if one does a git push with adding something to t/ |
| 15:52 |
dbwells |
gmcharlt: I'd be up for QA time during the hackfest. |
| 15:52 |
csharp |
#info gmcharlt's Cats of Doom: http://cat.evergreen-ils.org.meowbify.com/ |
| 15:52 |
jeff |
"QA time" might be easier to pull off. :-) |
| 15:53 |
jboyer-isl |
I could certainly use an intro. I felt a little bad about how much went into the "delete acpl" commits without any tests but human ones. |
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* gmcharlt |
is more than happy to put together some starting material for a QA time |
| 15:53 |
dbwells |
#action AllTheDevs will read and think about berick's QA page, and come to the conference ready to discuss and take action |
| 15:53 |
berick |
you_all++ |
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jeffdavis |
I can think of two pieces that might help to get more folks trying it out. |
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jeffdavis |
1. Documentation. This has been on my todo list for a while. |
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jeff |
jeffdavis: can you summarize your environment with regard to auth methods, what patron identifier is used, and if you have just a single overdrive account for the entire consortium or if you have per-system, and if there's any use of "overdrive advantage" (where systems participate in a large collection but can then ALSO add items that only their patrons get)? |
| 16:26 |
jeffdavis |
2. Testing credentials that can be shared among EG developers. |
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dbwells |
#link https://launchpad.net/overdrive-eg-opac |
| 16:28 |
dbwells |
jeffdavis: I think testing credentials would be great. I'm not sure how many of us have access otherwise to OverDrive. |
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* csharp |
might be able to get credentials, but not sure if he could share them :-/ |
| 16:28 |
jeffdavis |
I can commit to contacting Overdrive about that. |
| 16:29 |
jeff |
My experience with getting API access from them (prod and/or testing) has been... yeah. |
| 16:29 |
dbwells |
#info jeffdavis suggests that any potential testers file bugs at the link given above |
| 16:30 |
jeffdavis |
They do have a testing environment which in theory shold not be tied to anyone's "real" OverDrive accounts, so it's at least a theoretical possibility, IIUC. |
| 16:30 |
kmlussier |
Thanks all! |
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* kmlussier |
needs to disappear |
| 16:30 |
dbwells |
#action jeffdavis will pursue contacting OverDrive to ask about test credentials / a test environment |
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* csharp |
too |
| 16:31 |
dbwells |
Ok, wrapping things up unless someone speaks up... |
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jeffdavis |
jeff: we have two OverDrive accounts, each used by a different chunk of our libraries |
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csharp |
gmcharlt: also, if you want the files from the GPLS server, I'm sure I can get those to you - just need to check with a couple of folks on this end that all is ok |
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gmcharlt |
csharp: thanks! |
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jboyer-isl |
eeevil: I thought I'd try to test the inverse of your fix for bug 1438136 (common searches, uncommon attributes, I think), but I can't use the queries in that ticket to find common or uncommon values in pg 9.1. Do you know off hand of a good way to get those on more uh, mature, versions of pg? |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1438136 in Evergreen "OPAC searching significantly slowed by adding format filters" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438136 |
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eeevil |
jboyer-isl: let me look. in the mean time, were you able to test the branch, or does it not work for you on 9.1? |
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rjackson_isl |
eeevil: jboyer-isl is afk currently - just thought I would let you know as he isn't ignoring you! |
| 10:55 |
eeevil |
jboyer-isl: ah ... well, I can tell it wont work. the array stats arrive in 9.2 |
| 10:55 |
eeevil |
rjackson_isl: thanks! :) |
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jboyer-isl |
I haven't tested the branch itself (only the core query test in the ticket) because the only non-production database machines I have available are miserably slow regardless of what's searched how. :( |
| 11:09 |
eeevil |
jboyer-isl: ha! understood |
| 11:21 |
jeff |
something i haven't spent much time thinking about yet, but thought I'd throw out for feedback: we have the materialized view asset.opac_visible_copies, which aiui is mostly (exclusively?) for performance reasons -- it saves us from having to join a lot of things and examine a lot of columns at search time. |
| 11:22 |
eeevil |
jeff: yes |
| 11:22 |
csharp |
I put the branch on a test server and am seeing much better search returns, but for some reason, running the core query from one of the search attempts took just as long as before - I'm assuming I was doing something dumb (I'll add that I was exhausted when I looked last night ;-)) |
| 11:23 |
csharp |
next.gapines.org vs. gapines.org (if someone is interested in front end results) |
| 11:23 |
csharp |
next has the patch, gapines.org doesn't |
| 11:23 |
jeff |
with that as (very light) inspiration, would a materialized view representing (something like) record, circ_lib, shelving location be of much help in making locations() filtering faster, or in enabling crazy things like faceting on copy locations? |
| 11:24 |
jeff |
also, does the idea get crazier if you expand/replace the idea with copy location groups? |
| 11:25 |
csharp |
specific searches: http://gapines.org/eg/opac/results?query=lusitania&qtype=keyword&fi%3Asearch_format=book&locg=117&sort= vs http://next.gapines.org/eg/opac/results?query=lusitania&qtype=keyword&fi%3Asearch_format=book&locg=117 |
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jeff |
eeevil: yikes |
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Dyrcona |
Stompro++ # For testing with Jessie. |
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Dyrcona |
S'pose you could consider 1 physical server a "brick" if you're running all the pieces on vms on that server.... |
| 09:34 |
Dyrcona |
Meh. Words. |
| 09:35 |
csharp |
right ;-) |
| 09:37 |
Dyrcona |
Speaking of building VMs.... I'm going to build two today to test csharp's changes for Safe.pm. |
| 09:37 |
csharp |
it's also worth considering that virtual machines have become dominant enough that it's worth reconsidering cluster architecture |
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Stompro |
Thanks for the info all. |
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csharp |
I think we can assume jessie's all good if 14.04 works |
| 11:29 |
Dyrcona |
Ok. I'll comment on the bug to that effect. |
| 11:32 |
Dyrcona |
csharp++ |
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bshum |
yboston: On a more practical note, I was thinking to cut 2.7.5 later next week; give folks some time to test and push on more bug fixes. |
| 11:35 |
bshum |
Personally, I'm poking at more stuff for 2.8.1 though. Now that Bibliomation is on 2.8 and all. |
| 11:35 |
bshum |
And eating food. |
| 11:36 |
bshum |
I mean literally, every time I'm in Hong Kong, it's "hey long time no see" and "you hungry? Eat this..." |
| 11:36 |
kmlussier |
bshum: You |
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kmlussier |
bshum: You're eating food at 11:30 PM? |
| 11:37 |
bshum |
No, I just got back from eating "dinner" |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1438136 in Evergreen "OPAC searching significantly slowed by adding format filters" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438136 |
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krvmga |
csharp: yes, exactly |
| 14:00 |
krvmga |
i checked, though, and we have the index |
| 14:00 |
csharp |
krvmga: there's a branch eeevil put up (that I haven't yet tested) that should help |
| 14:01 |
bbqben |
Hi all - EOB meeting starting here in two shakes |
| 14:01 |
kmlussier |
krvmga: Is it just the All Books limiter or others as well? |
| 14:01 |
krvmga |
gmcharlt: are you aware of this for our upgrade? |
| 14:27 |
csharp |
logs++ |
| 14:27 |
bbqben |
logs++ all y'all++ |
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abneiman |
csharp++ |
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bbqben |
ok, amensia in check - will update the call and prep it for later |
| 14:28 |
bbqben |
anyone test the voter reg survey? |
| 14:28 |
bbqben |
#info https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RXVRSKJ |
| 14:28 |
kmlussier |
I looked at it. Didn't submit, though. It looked good to me. |
| 14:29 |
bbqben |
don't recall what other info we collected last year (survey's decommissed) but very open to feedback |
| 14:29 |
bbqben |
kmlussier - thanks |
| 14:29 |
csharp |
it just asked for my name, org, and whether I was legit - is that all it's supposed to do? |
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abneiman |
I'll test it right after this meeting ... i.e., my first meeting-free time today :-/ |
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bbqben |
csharp - pretty much |
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csharp |
ok |
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bbqben |
csharp - will take the names and load them to opavote later on |
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krvmga |
kmlussier: no, i just don't want the searches to be slow. |
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krvmga |
kmlussier: since i'm the public face of the opac around here, i would be hanged in effigy if not in reality |
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krvmga |
i even get scowls from central site staff sometimes as though i'm truly the god of the opac and can do anything mwahahahahaha! |
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gmcharlt |
krvmga: I'm quite sure you'll be fine - there's a workable patch available for testing that can be tested on Monday before you all go fully live |
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krvmga |
gmcharlt: thanks. |
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Dyrcona |
Though krvmga has left, I have loaded the branch in question on my development server and searches with formats don't seem slower than those without. |
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Dyrcona |
IOW, it appears to have helped things. |
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kmlussier |
eeevil++ |
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eeevil |
@later tell Dyrcona belated thanks for testing the search branch, though think your dataset may not need it? |
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csharp |
gmcharlt++ # clarifying the logo stuff |
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krvmga |
csharp: :) |
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Dyrcona |
krvmga: Well, there are two things going on. 1) a suboptimal query, and 2) csharp's installation missing an index. |
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Dyrcona |
Number 1 gets you either way. |
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Dyrcona |
eeevil: If you think it would be helpful, I'll run the tests on my database in a bit. |
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krvmga |
Dyrcona: gonna have to check if we're missing the index, too. |
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Dyrcona |
I meant to yesterday, but got busy with other stuff. |
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eeevil |
Dyrcona: more data is more better, thanks! |
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Dyrcona |
Hmm. Turns out I get a conflict. |
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Dyrcona |
Minor conflicts with the conditional negative balance branch and recent changes to master. |
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Dyrcona |
Easily resolved, I think. |
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dbwells |
There is at least two lines with bugs in the negative balances branch which were discovered when I was testing for fine issue in master. I should go ahead and rebase it, since a few more pieces are in master now. |
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Dyrcona |
dwells: That's cool. |
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Dyrcona |
dbwells, even. |
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Dyrcona |
My fingers appear to be on strike. |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1424646 in Evergreen "Paid-For Long Overdue Items Still Appear in "Other/Special Circulations" Window" (affected: 7, heat: 32) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1424646 |
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csharp |
signoff branch a'comin' |
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mmorgan |
Bmagic++ csharp++ |
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Bmagic |
csharp++ # testing |
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Dyrcona |
@quote random |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: Quote #85: "< bshum> *Everything* is awesome." (added by csharp at 09:29 AM, May 27, 2014) |
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csharp |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y |
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* csharp |
changed makefiles for wheezy/jessie/precise/trusty, but left squeeze alone |
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csharp |
bug 1444623 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1444623 in Evergreen ""Safe" is no longer needed as a separate CPAN package" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1444623 - Assigned to Chris Sharp (chrissharp123) |
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dbwells |
bshum: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1443952 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1443952 in Evergreen 2.8 "Fines can accrue past max (up to double) on lost item return with certain settings" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [High,New] |
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Dyrcona |
kmlussier: Would you like to test the above on my dev server? |
| 10:06 |
bshum |
dbwells: I'll poke at that again shortly. |
| 10:06 |
bshum |
Trying to see if we found more problems. Got a report that checkin modifiers aren't working now. |
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bshum |
Specifically clear hold shelf. |
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bshum |
I'm not sure if it's cause of the last round of changes last night. |
| 10:14 |
bshum |
Nobody mentioned it till this morning, but it could be that nobody was using circ modifiers till this morning. |
| 10:14 |
bshum |
Err, checkin modifiers I mean |
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kmlussier |
Do you want me to test the clear holds shelf on another server? |
| 10:15 |
bshum |
kmlussier: If you don't mind, yeah |
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kmlussier |
Dyrcona: I don't know if I should test that patch since I never saw the problem behavior. |
| 10:15 |
bshum |
I'm getting a snap of the error |
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bshum |
It looked mightily unhappy |
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Dyrcona |
kmlussier: It apparently only happens in master/2.8, so you wouldn't have seen it in the wild. |
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* bshum |
tries that first to get his people back on track |
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berick |
+ $client->max_chunk_size($$params{chunk_size}) if $client->can('max_chunk_size'); |
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berick |
ok, it's not just as easy, but it's close |
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bshum |
berick: Alright I can try that. |
| 10:39 |
bshum |
I wonder about the other line additions from that changeset and whether those need modification later. |
| 10:39 |
bshum |
I haven't tested what those other things are yet. |
| 10:40 |
berick |
hm, it is called in a couple of places |
| 10:41 |
berick |
though i doubt any of the others are called in subrequests |
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Dyrcona |
Well, I can test it and see. |
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Dyrcona |
Wouldn't hurt to add the if everywhere though. |
| 10:43 |
berick |
agreed |
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bshum |
https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1189980 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1189980 in Evergreen "Clear Shelf-Expired Holds confirmation needed" (affected: 4, heat: 18) [Wishlist,Confirmed] |
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jboyer-isl |
Ah, bshum beat me to the paste. :) |
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bshum |
Dyrcona++ # rescuing me from bad mistakes |
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bshum |
berick++ # we're testing your fix now |
| 11:24 |
bshum |
I'll get a bug report going on it later this afternoon after I finish writing up after-action reports. |
| 11:27 |
Dyrcona |
I'll add the if statements in the other two places, just in case. |
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Dyrcona |
I'm not sure how to trigger clear_shelf_cache. |
| 11:33 |
berick |
that's called by the UI after running clear-shelf |
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Dyrcona |
csharp: You'll likely end up with a lot more .in files. |
| 12:58 |
Dyrcona |
Well, maybe not a lot, but I'd suspect a few. |
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dbs |
csharp: I run EG/OpenSRF in FHS locations on Fedora, I put a bunch of work into patches that were accepted for that purpose a while back |
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dbs |
just bear in mind that I might have missed lots of scripts that wouldn't get invoked in regular dev/testing workflows that would suddenly become important in production |
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dbs |
I was hoping that we would cut over to standard FHS locations rather than continuing to document --prefix=/openils but since we've followed the latter path, wouldn't be surprised if more non-relocatable stuff creeps in |
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csharp |
dbs: great - looks like a good foundation |
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csharp |
I'll try and get that working on Ubuntu 14.04 and/or Debian jessie |
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* csharp |
wants the next Debian release to be "lotso" |
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eeevil |
(from before) |
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jboyer-isl |
eeevil: does that "not FHS" mean that it currently can't work from /usr/bin, or just that it will work from some other prefix and /usr/bin is uncertain? |
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jeff |
jboyer-isl: i took his statement to mean that eeevil has experience operating from a non-FHS, non-/openils location. |
| 14:13 |
berick |
jboyer-isl: i think he means he didn't specifically test FHS, but did test other non-/openils options |
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jboyer-isl |
jeff, berick: makes sense, thanks. |
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eeevil |
jboyer-isl: there's no reason it won't work under FHS, but I'm using under a set of paths that are non-FHS |
| 14:19 |
eeevil |
what berick said :) |
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berick |
jeff++ |
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eeevil |
Callender++ |
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berick |
Callender++ indeed |
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jeff |
upgrade-wise, i just tested and cherry-picked things beforehand. Callender pulled the trigger in production, and every single contributor helped build a quality release. upgrades keep getting smoother. |
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jeff |
and yes, i'll repeat my increments from this morning's "no longer on 2.5 dance": ESI++ and Callender++ in particular :-) |
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jeff |
I think part of it is "lots of development effort focused elsewhere", part of it is "things are a bit more mature/stable", but also a good helping of "intentional efforts to make upgrades less painful" :-) |
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jeff |
I was surprised at how few external systems/processes needed tweaking as part of the upgrade. Even the number of (immediately required) changes to templates was low. |
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jeff |
And by low, I think I mean "zero changes required to maintain functionality", though of course we'll be making changes to enable new features, etc. |
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jeff |
It's gone well enough that I'm putting non-upgrade-related template changes in place (closing pre-upgrade tickets) and experimenting with sitemaps and robots.txt changes. |
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[evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1442701: prune 'message_id' and 'single' CGI params from TPAC dashboard links - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=07da4e2> |
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[evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1442695: install purge_pending_users.srfsh to /openils/bin by default - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=73d671a> |
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[evergreen|Dan Wells] LP#1443952 Move overdue restore above lost void/adjustment - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=749e63f> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Dan Wells] LP#1443952 Lost fine handling refactor - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6b0d8e7> |
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csharp |
depends on whether they're after stats or are trying to track/resolve a staff problem |
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mrpeters |
its a stats thing |
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csharp |
k |
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jeff |
interesting: looking at a user created yesterday, they have two entries in auditor.actor_usr_history with audit_time that matches their create_date (and last_update_time). both have audit_user and audit_ws, so it looks like my musing above was on-target. |
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* jeff |
throws that on the pile of things to look into later |
| 09:12 |
jeff |
but just off the top of my head, you can probably rely on "auditor.actor_usr_history with audit_time matching actor.usr.create_date for the user will contain the audit_user/audit_ws that created the user" |
| 09:13 |
jeff |
test, of course. |
| 09:14 |
mrpeters |
that may be a good start, and enough for what they want |
| 09:15 |
csharp |
so... I'm investigating another see also from tracing issue with OPAC browse search: http://gapines.org/eg/opac/browse?blimit=20&qtype=author&bterm=poznanski%2C+ursula&locg=1 is the main heading and "Archer, Ursula" is listed as a see also, but there is no authority record for "Archer, Ursula" for it to link to |
| 09:16 |
csharp |
in that case, is there a way to have see also/from tracings work - that is, when there is no auth record for the reference? |
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* csharp |
just doesn't know enough about authorities to really know |
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* collum |
just created a user in his test Evergreen and two identical update rows appeared in auditor.actor_usr_history. |
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mrpeters |
thanks for the test collum |
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csharp |
@blame authorities |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: It's all authorities's fault! |
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csharp |
@who has a problem with authority? |
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yboston |
dbs: since that particular feature is not found in TPAC |
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dbwells |
bshum: are you in a position to test a fix? If so, I can suggest one to try. |
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bshum |
dbwells: I can give it a shot. |
| 12:19 |
bshum |
dbwells: I was putting together a revert branch to remove everything and put it back to the earlier way, if you guys weren't ready to suggest anything. |
| 12:20 |
bshum |
Fine bugs make me feel weird. |
| 12:20 |
dbwells |
bshum: The fix is cherry-picking in two commits, 76ed91eaf8e2b followed by 542054fce72 |
| 12:20 |
jeff |
Every Good Bug Does Fines |
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bshum |
dbwells: I'll go give that a quick whirl on our test server. |
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bshum |
Lucky for me I have lots of examples of broken circs from today to try with :\ |
| 12:22 |
jeff |
and perhaos Fines Always Cause Evil? |
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dbs |
yboston: well, the functionality is there, it's just part of the regular catalogue UI now accessed by "Browse the catalog" instead of under "Advanced search" right? |
| 12:29 |
yboston |
dbs: no, that doc is for an older simpler feature that Berklee paid for that only worked on JSpac |
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dbwells |
bshum: I have a lunch appt in a few minutes. I'll check back and also do some testing of my own when I get back. |
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yboston |
dbs: it only grabbed data from authoritites; and for example the only title search it could do was on uniform titles |
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bshum |
dbwells: Thanks man, I'll see what I can find out. |
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bshum |
dbwells: Checked one circ so far, and it applied up to the right max fines this time 'round |
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bshum |
Testing another circ that's lost to be absolutely sure. |
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bshum |
Well, it takes its sweet time calculating (retrieving, retrieving) but it does eventually give me the right amount of overdues stopped at the maxfine as expected. |
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bshum |
dbwells++ |
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bshum |
We'll test further but I think we should slate those fixes for merging to master and rel_2_8 |
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dbwells |
bshum++ |
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dbwells |
I'll also test further this afternoon. Don't want to take one step forward, two back. |
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* dbwells |
steps away for a bit |
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dbs |
So I guess if you have auth record # 123 with field 100 establishing an author's name, as well as a 500 establishing a "See from" heading, it's really unlikely that that 500 is going to have a $0 pointing to its own record ID |
| 14:05 |
dbs |
but if that 500 had $0 (OCLoC)123 or whatever, you'd be golden |
| 14:05 |
dbs |
See from: oooookay |
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csharp |
dbs: reading now |
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csharp |
and I'll test too |
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* csharp |
highlights https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1438136/comments/12 on behalf of eeevil who is soliciting feedback from people with expertise with/opinions about the query parser's functionality |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1438136 in Evergreen "OPAC searching significantly slowed by adding format filters" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] |
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Dyrcona |
My comment this morning was intended to say, "Dunno. Sounds good to me. Give it a try." |
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Dyrcona |
'Cause, I don't feel qualified to comment otherwise. |
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Bmagic |
jeff: Thanks, I figured it out. It's neat how that works. |
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dbwells |
bshum: Did a bunch of testing, and most things worked fine. The biggest issue was that it no longer generated new overdues on lost item return due to a thinko in one of those commits. I also found one other thinko which would clobber a MAX_FINES stop_fines_reason in some cases. Here is a paste of the diff: http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/49 |
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dbwells |
(To clarify, the above lost item return issue only applies if that particular setting is turned on, which is not OOTB behavior.) |
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* kmlussier |
notes that a lot of libs in these parts make use of that setting. |
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jeffdavis |
question about bug 1074096 |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1074096 in Evergreen "Advanced Search by Bib Call Number Returns 0 Results" (affected: 3, heat: 18) [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1074096 |
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Bmagic |
well, even both, means that checkin_time is required |
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Bmagic |
and we are not checking it in (or don't think that's correct) |
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Bmagic |
I'm going to run some more expierements |
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mmorgan |
Just marked an item Lost on my test patron. Paid the bill and the item is gone from items out. |
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mmorgan |
Item never got checked in. |
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Bmagic |
mmorgan: that is good news, let me see what is going on here |
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kmlussier |
I thought the setting mmorgan referred to above is the one that removed it from Items Out if it was fully paid. Strange that it isn't working for you that way. |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1331174 in Evergreen "Long Overdue processing needs org unit settings separate from Lost Processing" (affected: 3, heat: 14) [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1331174 |
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berick |
bshum: i'd call that a bug fix |
| 10:10 |
berick |
bshum++ kmlussier++ ACQ merging/tseting |
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kmlussier |
berick: We're always happy to test acq improvements in these parts. :) |
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kmlussier |
berick++ |
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* berick |
rebases bug 1380803 |
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pinesol_green |
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bshum |
berick: Alrighty, up to you. Since it has a release note, we probably should move that into the mainline notes for 2.8 so that it doesn't get lost in the darkness. |
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Bmagic |
explain |
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berick |
if you add LONGOVERDUE back, then longoverdue items might get marked as longoverdue again. or, more likely, you'll re-process (and evetually ignore) a bunch of circs you don't need to |
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Bmagic |
oh jees |
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berick |
the validators should prevent anything from getting the full treatment twice. |
| 12:01 |
berick |
but they'd have to be loaded and tested |
| 12:01 |
berick |
over and over again |
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Bmagic |
so, I need to setup an AT with a grainularity, and pass that cron the special config |
| 12:01 |
berick |
yes |
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Bmagic |
sounds doable |
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krvmga |
i'm just looking at our 2.7 test installation and no icons are appearing for any items in search returns in the opac. i don't know why. |
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bshum |
krvmga: Well, two thoughts: (1) did you guys monkey with any format_icon configuration in the settings, or (2) did you perform a reingest of all your bibs. |
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krvmga |
bshum: we just finished a re-ingest of all our bibs |
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krvmga |
bshum: format_icon configuration in the settings? |
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kmlussier |
yboston: I did ask about meeting space at the conference for the Academics for Evergreen group. But I never heard back. |
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jeff |
What is the latest version of xulrunner for Mac OS X that we should try for 2.7.4? |
| 15:42 |
bshum |
jeff: So... I never tested anything beyond what we use now for the other clients, that's 14.0.1 |
| 15:43 |
bshum |
That's not true, I tried up through XUL 17 or so |
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bshum |
And there were let's say... bugs and crashes. |
| 15:43 |
bshum |
So at least on 14, you'll be where everyone else is. |
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* bshum |
is fairly sure the Mac client building instructions on the wiki reflect that XUL 14 version. |
| 15:47 |
jeff |
co-worker mentioned that the instructions they were looking at mentioned evergreen 2.3, so they were... undertain of the doc's relevance. |
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* jeff |
looks |
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jeff |
bshum++ |
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bshum |
They are old docs, but Xulrunner testing hasn't progressed since then. Since after XUL 18 or so, I think that's when remote XUL goes away and things die. |
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bshum |
I do sometimes think that XUL 15 might be a better choice though, since that's the version of Firefox where they fixed all the broken memory issues with Firefox 14. |
| 15:49 |
bshum |
But when we tested XUL 15 built staff clients in production at one library, the staff client would occasionally, spontaneously close without warning. |
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Dyrcona |
@blame mozilla |
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pinesol_green |
Dyrcona: everything was going great until mozilla came along |
| 15:56 |
Dyrcona |
@praise mozilla |
| 17:02 |
kmlussier |
Good night all! |
| 17:02 |
hopkinsju |
At any rate, that's a good enough solution I was just trying to satisfy my curiosity |
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pinesol_green |
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Bmagic |
Who is using "Items Out Lost display setting" ? |
| 17:52 |
Bmagic |
I have a library that wants those to NOT SHOW on the items out screen. This setting really seems like the answer |
| 09:20 |
bshum |
So it definitely seems like a weird Firefox issue |
| 09:21 |
csharp |
s/Firefox/Firefox on Windows/ |
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* csharp |
doesn't know if mac works the same way |
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* krvmga |
doesn't have a mac to test on. |
| 09:21 |
Dyrcona |
I'm using Firefox 37.0.1 on Ubuntu and I see it the behavior as described. |
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* jeff |
looks |
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* jboyer-isl |
is using a mac at this very moment. I’ll go grab FF. |
| 09:33 |
bshum |
Ah, indeed. |
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| 09:34 |
Dyrcona |
Interesting....I just noticed that I have ISBN configured differently for Bibliomation than I do for NOBLE and CW/MARS. |
| 09:35 |
bshum |
Dyrcona: Interesting indeed... I know we tinkered with the z-config when we were testing between us to figure out what was weird with Evergreen... |
| 09:36 |
jeff |
@dunno add Have you confirmed your ISBN SPIDs with your service provider? |
| 09:36 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: The operation succeeded. Dunno #38 added. |
| 09:36 |
Dyrcona |
Ah.... Turns out the configuration for Bibliomation is incomplete, or was partially removed. |
| 10:12 |
jboyer-isl |
Dyrcona: What I’m after is more like selecting multiple values from the audience box when selecting “juvenile,” can that not be done with just a custom template change? |
| 10:15 |
Dyrcona |
jboyer-isl: I was referring to tsbere's suggestion with the either, and I'm apparently wrong in that case. |
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Dyrcona |
A template change is relatively cheap. I'd try it on a dev/test system to see if it did what I wanted. If it does, then there you go! |
| 10:17 |
tsbere |
Template change in this case is harder due to the dynamic nature of the advanced search boxes. Database insert (compared to edit) is easier. ;) |
| 10:17 |
Dyrcona |
Well then. I'm wrong again. :) |
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* Dyrcona |
shuts up. |
| 13:35 |
plux |
it may be smoke and mirrors but we’re getting intermittent/erratic hanging in the client that seems to parallel the SSL read fail times |
| 13:36 |
plux |
it seemed fine prior to the latest openssl patches |
| 13:37 |
Dyrcona |
I doubt the hanging has much to do with it. |
| 13:37 |
jeffdavis |
I see a few "SSL input filter read failed" messages in the logs for our Ubuntu 14.04 test server running EG2.8 beta. Haven't had any reports of client issues so far. |
| 13:37 |
Dyrcona |
http://serverfault.com/questions/565703/apache-producing-lots-of-ssl-only-errors-even-though-the-data-in-browser-seems-f |
| 13:38 |
Dyrcona |
Looks it has to do with named virtual hosting and SSL being established before that happens. |
| 13:42 |
Dyrcona |
Well, that's not it in this case, apparently. |
| 14:43 |
krvmga |
tsbere: that seems to have fixed it. |
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* bshum |
hates time zones |
| 14:43 |
bshum |
Bmagic: I'm not aware of any time settings in the staff client. I just presumed it grabbed it from Windows or whatnot. |
| 14:43 |
tsbere |
krvmga: Woo then. Make a patch, get credit for actually making the change and testing it. ;) |
| 14:43 |
Bmagic |
ok, cool, I will focus my direction |
| 14:44 |
bshum |
So I have seen it shift dates weirdly if it was recorded in one timezone but got time changed into the wrong time on another workstation |
| 14:45 |
krvmga |
tsbere: thank you. i will do that. |
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* jeffdavis |
requests to join https://launchpad.net/~evergreen-drivers too |
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* bshum |
will probably poke dbs about getting admin rights to that group later. |
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