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07:48 jeff good morning!
07:55 csharp jeff: yo dawg
07:56 jeff step one of the morning: work around the fact that 22/tcp is blocked on the hotel wifi
07:56 jeff csharp: today is your day! justification for running ssh on a non-standard port!
08:02 jeff ymmv, but 8080/tcp appears to work.
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08:47 Stompro Happy hack-o-way-o-day!
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09:12 gmcharlt I'm calling a brief Q&A and release manager vote tomorrow at 13:00 ET
09:12 gmcharlt kmlussier's proposal can be found here: http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/piperm​ail/open-ils-dev/2016-October/010246.html
09:13 gmcharlt needless to say, I anticipate that the vote itself will be a quick operation, but if anybody who will not be at the hack-a-way person has questions, we can field them via #evergreen
09:14 gmcharlt I'm also happy to set up a Google Hangout if anybody wants
09:14 gmcharlt and bonus! no cats to wander into the field of view!
09:14 gmcharlt hmm
09:14 gmcharlt maybe that's more of an anti-bonus
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09:26 kmlussier Good morning #evergreen!
09:26 gmcharlt good morning from the air!
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09:28 Bmagic gootinmorgan
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09:43 jeff it's ProxyCommands all the way down!
09:44 csharp jeff++
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09:45 Mark__ Hello. I am trying to contact the person responsible for maintaining your Buildbot build system. It wasn't immediately clear from the website who I should contact so I'm starting here. Are you able to point me to the right person?
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09:48 EvgilsHackaway16 The 2016 Hack-a-way is going on now! Main Hangout is here: https://hangouts.google.com/ca​ll/iyfkfqiyvrfonkfnmkimtimbdie
09:48 EvgilsHackaway16 Project specific hangouts will be popping up throughout the day.
09:53 kmlussier Starting shared document at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XAbe_UGSqqNn​OoUG-I3Mg1NMUK08KZHt2AKDKQL1abw/edit?usp=sharing. I'll add some jquery notes there.
09:54 dbs gmcharlt: I vote anti-bonus
09:54 bshum All those hard working evergreeners :)
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09:55 Bmagic Hi bshum!
09:55 bshum It might just be me, but I guess there's no sound for the main hangout yet :)
09:55 EvgilsHackaway16 Working on it!  Sorry for the delay!
09:56 bshum Oh, it froze, heh
09:56 bshum I'm just doing a drive by anyways, can't stay all day :(
09:56 bshum Bmagic: Hey!  :D
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09:57 bshum Mark__: I'm not entirely sure who's in charge of all that either.  But this is a good channel to ask that question about buildbot.
09:59 Mark__ Thanks bshum. We (hyper.sh) just released a buildbot plugin that gives per second billing and typically reduces build costs significantly: https://blog.hyper.sh/serverless-ci-hyp​er-docker-integration-for-buildbot.html
09:59 Mark__ We're offering discounted compute to Buildbot users.
10:00 Mark__ Not sure if that is of interested, but if so let me know and I'll be happy to arrange a bunch of credits for you guys.
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10:04 kmlussier Hi bshum! So strange being here and not seeing you in the room. :)
10:07 bshum kmlussier: Indeed, it looks like a nice room too
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10:21 * bshum waves at yboston
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10:22 dbs Mark__: I'm one of the people who helped set up our buildbot instance, back in the days when VMs ruled. I think it would make more sense (and be much more feasible) for us to use docker containers these days, with every different OS build slave on a single server
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10:23 * dbs can't join the Hangout alas, he's on virtual reference right now
10:23 Mark__ Hey dbs. Hyper actually works natively with Docker, so you create your build images for different targets and then just run them all through buildbot. That's what buildbot themselves just started doing actually and I think they are building against a number of targets.
10:24 kmlussier dbs: Not much happening on the Hangout now anyway.
10:24 Mark__ The whole idea is that you only pay when you're building, you can make things parallelized (no upper limit) and you don't need to maintain/patch VMs anymore.
10:26 Mark__ Pierre from Buildbot put together a tutorial here: https://hyper.sh/howto/how-to-use-hy​per.sh-to-deploy-your-buildbot.html
10:28 Mark__ If I'm interrupting your hangout I'm happy to chat another time!
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10:30 dbs Mark__: right, but as we already have one VM dedicated to the buildbot server then I think we could just deploy containers on the as-needed basis on the same VM?
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10:31 dbs Sorry, my attention is torn between a few different things right now...
10:31 dbs Mark__: that said, it certainly sounds appealing, and I'm not really in a position to put in the time to overhaul our current buildbot system in any case :/
10:32 dbs So maybe if someone else wants to pick up that torch...!
10:32 bshum I think the sound for the hangout is dead.  Oh well.
10:32 rjackson_isl yes - is here too :(
10:33 Mark__ You could indeed just deploy containers on the same VM, and if you're not paying that much for the VM right now then the price difference is probably not worth the work.
10:33 dbs We can keep communicating via IRC and the google doc
10:33 Mark__ Buildbot found it useful because they could speed up the builds and get rid of having to manage a VM cluster.
10:34 dbs Mark__: Yes, I can totally understand that advantage
10:34 dbs Mark__: Dustin is still the lead dev of Buildbot? he's good people
10:35 Mark__ Yes Dustin is still involved but we've mainly been working with Pierre Tardy who is also good people ;-)
10:36 Mark__ Anyway, I'll leave you to it, but if someone is interested in giving it a whirl just mail talk@hyper.sh and we'll get you some free credits to play around.
10:36 Mark__ Hope the hangout works out. :-)
10:37 dbs Mark__: jeez, it's been five years since I contributed anything to the project: https://github.com/dbs/buildbot/commits?author=dbs
10:37 dbs Thanks for the heads up Mark__
10:37 Mark__ Ah... I didn't realize you were a contributor. Nice work, it seems to be gaining popularity all the time
10:38 Mark__ Bye for now
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10:47 bshum And let there be sound!
10:47 kmlussier Hooray!
10:48 kmlussier bshum: I don't think you were missing much. A bunch or murmuring. :)
10:50 EvgilsHackaway16 There's nothing like breaking in new equipment live. Much like testing new code in production!
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11:20 kmlussier jvwoolf: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/E​vergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/user​/kmlussier/digital-images-in-the-catalog
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11:40 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1584807: Clicking column header should not unsort list - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=59503ed>
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11:56 bshum Maybe there needs to be consent for there to be sound in the hangout, cause it just cut out right after rhamby said that :)
11:57 rhamby fair enough
12:01 EvgilsHAW16 Yay Windows 10! :-/
12:03 bshum Huzzah
12:11 yboston kmlussier: just wanted to mention to you, in case it has not been mentioned already, that soem poeple sitll use the “auto suggest” feeature. that feature requires Dojo
12:11 yboston kmlussier: I am only lurking so I may have missed a lot
12:12 dbs yboston: that was acknowledged in the google doc comment
12:12 yboston dbs: thanks, must have missed it
12:13 berickm jeff: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=workin​g/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/head​s/collab/berick/items-out-sort-exp-tmp -- requires some explanation
12:13 kmlussier yes, we weren't talking about getting rid of autosuggest. But autosuggest needs to be reworked anyway to address the accessibility issues. If we go with jquery, then the goal should be to move it to jquery when it is redone.
12:13 dbs yeah, kmlussier's response to my q about removing dojo mentions "The biggest use of Dojo in the catalog is autosuggest, which needs to be reimplemented anyway to address accessibility issues."
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12:14 yboston kmlussier: thanks, and I have a blind professor that is not having issues with autosuggest. He has a bigger issues with nested tables in search resutls
12:15 yboston kmlussier: but we are workign ona fix
12:16 yboston lp 1467645
12:16 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1467645 in Evergreen "OPAC's search results use of nested tables create page navigation issues for screen reader users" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467645
12:16 yboston BTW, the audio went out :(
12:19 EvgilsHackaway16 restarting the laptop now that we're at lunch, hopefully that helps the audio...
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13:05 jeffdavis ebook API integration requires JS in the OPAC as well - currently using Dojo since that's what's there now, but doesn't need to
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13:13 jeffdavis added hangout and google doc links to hackaway wiki page
13:14 gmcharlt jeffdavis++
13:15 gmcharlt so, to suggest times for the "committee-of-the-whole" items:
13:15 gmcharlt Today, 3ish p.m. EDT - feedback from the buildmaster experiment
13:15 gmcharlt Tomorrow, 11 a.m. EDT - discuss supporting jQuery in the OPAC
13:16 gmcharlt Tomorrow, after the 1 p.m. EDT RM Q&A and vote - discuss setting release date/goal for feature-completeness and support of the web staff client
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13:19 csharp bug 1373690
13:19 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1373690 in Evergreen "Direct EDI generation for ACQ orders -- AKA kill ruby webrick" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1373690 - Assigned to Bill Erickson (berick)
13:19 gmcharlt I've updated the agenda — https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/do​ku.php?id=hack-a-way-2016-agenda
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13:21 EvgilsHackaway16 Heading back to the tables now.  If you haven't joined us so far, you can via Hangout at: https://hangouts.google.com/ca​ll/iyfkfqiyvrfonkfnmkimtimbdie
13:30 bshum Sigh, I think CPAN hates me today, two 16.04 VMs from scratch and both can't get the prereqs done for Evergreen cause of CPAN issues :(
13:31 tsbere bshum: Maybe CPAN is just having a bad day?
13:32 bshum tsbere: Maybe, but it was working before I ran through the first series of package installs
13:32 bshum So I'm wondering if there's a bad package somewhere
13:32 bshum It could just be a fluke though, you're right.
13:33 tsbere bshum: I had issues recently, I changed mirrors and it was happier.
13:33 phasefx wonder if we should start mirroring stuff like that on an EG domain, point to it by default
13:34 tsbere phasefx: I wouldn't want to have cpan configs being pointed at EG by the Makefiles by default. For one, it would override someone having pre-set an actual local mirror...
13:34 bshum On the plus side, I've installed OpenSRF master twice now and gotten successful math tests :)
13:34 bshum So glass half full?
13:36 bshum I'll try it again on another network later.
13:37 phasefx tsbere: roger that
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13:43 bshum Odd, it didn't even ask me to choose a mirror automatically.  I thought it used to do that, hmm...
13:46 gmcharlt one more item for the whole-group agenda -- 16:00 tomorrow, discussing a developer mentorship program
13:49 * phasefx has a debian wheezy instance that needs Makefile.install tweaks for libdbi from debian-jessie, yet the existing debian-wheezie works fine (except for Excel::Writer::XLSX) on a pristine wheezy.  Answer, stop using wheezy? :)
13:50 pastebot "miker" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "only show active funds in 'allocate from fund'" (35 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/31
13:50 tsbere bshum: I think it started auto-configuring by default somewhat recently if called to install things before configure happened. If you run it without a package name the first time I think it still prompts you.
13:57 abowling1 miker++ for the helpful help on the acq dropdown
13:59 jeff helpful help is helpful.
14:01 jeffdavis look at all you Evergreen people hackin' away...
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14:08 jeffdavis I can hear you people
14:08 bshum What was the question?
14:08 jeff hah
14:08 bshum Yes, we can hear
14:08 bshum Tell Dyrcona that he should use his filter
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14:18 bshum Okay, must be CPAN not liking me
14:18 bshum Tried a fresh Debian Jessie VM and it blew up too on the CPAN part for Makefile
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14:35 Bmagic Dyrcona: so you created the age-based-proximity table? jeff
14:36 * jeff raises an eyebrow
14:38 berickm 'jeff' is the name of the table
14:56 jeff heh
14:56 jeff async puns.
14:56 jeff (not in nature, just in implementation)
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15:08 bshum "Speech, speech!"
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15:11 csharp berick: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23417429/ - our customized PO JEDI template
15:17 berickm csharp: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=worki​ng/Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=29e03​77b0fd18f76787afb610204f11061757adb
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15:18 berickm csharp: https://gist.github.com/berick/1​194e1fe0d8a7f0d1ab82c2213c3cb41
15:27 berickm csharp: insert into edi_attr_set_map for INCLUDE_LOCATION is needed
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15:33 berickm csharp: not sure yet why barcode isn't included.  requires talking
15:33 csharp ok
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15:41 csharp @blame power blips
15:41 pinesol_green csharp: power blips stole csharp's ice cream!
15:41 bshum They are evil.
15:43 jeff the power blipped, i lost my ssh session, and when i regained access i have ipv6.
15:43 jeff oh, because i hopped from hotel wifi to mifi hotspot.
15:44 jeff hotel wifi isn't back yet.
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15:46 bshum jeff: Ah, gotcha.
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15:49 berickm csharp: UNT fix pushed
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15:54 bshum tsbere: Well I tried adding additional CPAN mirrors to my urllist, and that also failed
15:54 gmcharlt I've updated https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?i​d=hack-a-way-2016-agenda#scheduled_events with the results of the buildmaster discussion
15:54 bshum So I'm starting to think there's something more broken
15:54 gmcharlt if I've missed something, please let me know
15:58 tsbere bshum: Did you remove the potentially problem-causing mirrors in the process?
15:59 bshum tsbere: Hmm, I thought I did, but now you got me wondering if I missed something
15:59 bshum The only one listed at first was http://www.cpan.org
15:59 bshum Which appears up....
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15:59 bshum And using wget to get the file it was trying to get to seemed to work too
16:00 bshum I think it's an LWP issue; I'm reading up on things
16:08 bshum tsbere++ virtualbox-- #NAT problems broke my CPAN :(
16:15 jeffdavis I need to get back to installing EG with vagrant, now that I have a laptop with >2GB RAM.
16:20 csharp bug 1
16:20 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu Malaysia LoCo Team "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 - Assigned to MFauzilkamil Zainuddin (apogee)
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16:21 bshum "just push it" +1
16:27 csharp @band add The Little Bugs
16:27 pinesol_green csharp: http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content.ph​p?theme=2&amp;music=6&amp;url=evergreen-ils.org
16:28 csharp @praise the little kittens
16:28 * pinesol_green the little kittens goes to eleven
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17:14 EvgilsHackaway16 We're logging off of the livestream for the evening.  See you again tomorrow!
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17:16 csharp good evening to all of y'all
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22:22 * bshum taps his fingers waiting for npm

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