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Stompro |
redavis, I won't miss the release team meeting today. |
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redavis |
Stompro, I'll see you then :D. It was a short meeting last time. Today might be a little longer. Are you going to be at the dev meeting this afternoon? |
| 09:04 |
Stompro |
Yes, I'll be there also. |
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redavis |
Stompro++, I think there will be convo about both 3.14 as well as maintenance releases upcoming. |
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redavis |
https://supabase.com/blog/postgres-new?utm_source=tldrwebdev |
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redavis |
Stompro, the most recent discontinuation from Google looks to be the final shutdown of their URL shortener. |
| 10:35 |
Stompro |
redavis, I think this explains what is going on with the Hatch warnings. https://blog.chromium.org/2024/05/manifest-v2-phase-out-begins.html |
| 10:36 |
redavis |
Stompro++, reading |
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redavis |
Stompro, I don't see a ticket for that. I'm not sure if there needs to be one though. I need to run to an appointment, but might also be a thing for the dev meeting. |
| 10:43 |
* redavis |
will return |
| 10:44 |
Stompro |
It sort of sounds like Hatch could be disabled at any time now after June 3rd... love that feeling. |
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csharp_ |
oof |
| 10:47 |
csharp_ |
is there a bug report yet? |
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* mmorgan |
could not find a bug report. |
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mmorgan |
http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen/2024-08-08#i_557981 |
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csharp_ |
mmorgan++ # thanks |
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csharp_ |
https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/2076921 |
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pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2076921 in Evergreen "Hatch: Chrome Extension Requires Redevelopment" [High,New] |
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mmorgan |
csharp_++ |
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collum |
csharp_ - jinx |
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csharp_ |
collum++ |
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csharp_ |
@eightball is today the day? |
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pinesol |
csharp_: Maybe... |
| 11:46 |
csharp_ |
@eightball is today *a* day? |
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pinesol |
csharp_: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing! |
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csharp_ |
@eightball is today D day? |
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pinesol |
csharp_: Naturally. |
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* eeevil |
installs new zoom for cat IG meeting ... pardon lateness :( |
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eeevil |
zoom-- |
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* berick |
had to do the same |
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csharp_ |
zoom-- |
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Bmagic |
9 minutes till dev meeting |
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Bmagic |
30 seconds |
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Bmagic |
10 |
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Bmagic |
5 |
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redavis |
The pressure!! |
| 15:00 |
Bmagic |
#startmeeting 2024-08-13 - Developer Meeting |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
Meeting started Tue Aug 13 15:00:04 2024 US/Eastern. The chair is Bmagic. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
The meeting name has been set to '2024_08_13___developer_meeting' |
| 15:00 |
Bmagic |
#info Agenda at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:2024-08-13 |
| 15:00 |
Bmagic |
#topic Introductions |
| 15:00 |
Bmagic |
#info Bmagic = Blake GH, MOBIUS |
| 15:00 |
scottangel |
#info scottangel = Scott Angel, MOBIUS |
| 15:00 |
redavis |
#info redavis - Ruth Frasur Davis, ECDI |
| 15:00 |
Stompro |
#info Stompro = Josh Stompro, LARL |
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sandbergja |
#info sandbergja = Jane Sandberg, PUL |
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sleary |
#info sleary = Stephanie Leary, Equinox |
| 15:00 |
shulabramble |
#info shulabramble = Shula Link, GCHRL |
| 15:00 |
mmorgan |
#info mmorgan = Michele Morgan, NOBLE |
| 15:00 |
collum |
#info collum = Garry Collum, KCPL |
| 15:00 |
smayo |
#info smayo = Steven Mayo, PINES |
| 15:01 |
berick |
#info berick Bill Erickson, KCLS |
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eeevil |
#info eeevil = Mike Rylander, EOLI |
| 15:01 |
Bmagic |
feel free to introduce yourself as you arrive |
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abneiman |
#info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Equinox |
| 15:01 |
terranm |
#info terranm = Terran McCanna, PINES |
| 15:01 |
Bmagic |
#topic Action Items from Last Meeting |
| 15:02 |
Bmagic |
mmorgan - should I skip? |
| 15:02 |
jeff |
#info jeff = Jeff Godin, Traverse Area District Library (TADL) |
| 15:02 |
mmorgan |
Bmagic: I opened the bug - bug 2076932 |
| 15:02 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2076932 in Evergreen "Launchpad Statistics Tracking" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2076932 |
| 15:02 |
Bmagic |
oh! |
| 15:02 |
Bmagic |
#info mmorgan will open a ticket for moving LP stats to community site & automating same |
| 15:02 |
Bmagic |
#info https://launchpad.net/bugs/2076932 |
| 15:02 |
sandbergja |
mmorgan++ |
| 15:02 |
redavis |
mmorgan++ |
| 15:02 |
Bmagic |
mmorgan++ |
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shulabramble |
mmorgan++ |
| 15:03 |
mmorgan |
Feel free to add code, ideas, etc. |
| 15:03 |
Bmagic |
#link https://launchpad.net/bugs/2076932 |
| 15:03 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2076932 in Evergreen "Launchpad Statistics Tracking" [Undecided,New] |
| 15:03 |
Bmagic |
I meant link |
| 15:03 |
dluch |
#info dluch = Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS |
| 15:04 |
Bmagic |
Any discussion on that? |
| 15:04 |
mmorgan |
Hopefully the bug will gather some! I will add some of the scripts I tried with lp api. |
| 15:04 |
dluch |
mmorgan++ |
| 15:04 |
jvwoolf |
#info jvwoolf = Jessica Woolford, Bibliomatin |
| 15:05 |
Bmagic |
mmorgan: great work |
| 15:05 |
Bmagic |
I do like knowning the big picture |
| 15:05 |
Bmagic |
ok, next up |
| 15:05 |
Bmagic |
#info eeevil will open a bug for cross-column stats targets |
| 15:06 |
eeevil |
ha! nope... not this month :( |
| 15:06 |
Bmagic |
#action eeevil will open a bug for cross-column stats targets |
| 15:06 |
Bmagic |
no worries |
| 15:06 |
Bmagic |
#info gmcharlt - create a Git commit message type and update bug 2051946 |
| 15:06 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2051946 in Evergreen "institute a Git commit message template" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2051946 - Assigned to Galen Charlton (gmc) |
| 15:06 |
abneiman |
Galen is away |
| 15:06 |
eeevil |
I'll make a stub soon, but $someone will need to spend time digging through "slow" query logs... |
| 15:06 |
Bmagic |
eeevil++ |
| 15:07 |
Bmagic |
#action gmcharlt - create a Git commit message type and update bug 2051946 |
| 15:07 |
Bmagic |
#info redavis will look at making a regular calendar event for translation work in lock step with point releases |
| 15:07 |
redavis |
gonna give that a pass this month. I've not forgotten though. |
| 15:07 |
redavis |
please carry over to next month |
| 15:08 |
Bmagic |
ok, perfect. Thanks for keeping it in mind |
| 15:08 |
Bmagic |
#action redavis will look at making a regular calendar event for translation work in lock step with point releases |
| 15:08 |
Bmagic |
#info Dyrcona will look into git integration with POEditor |
| 15:09 |
redavis |
Dyrcona is out of office currently |
| 15:09 |
Bmagic |
oh, lol, I was about to say something like "must be a lot of typing" |
| 15:10 |
Bmagic |
but I see he's MIA |
| 15:10 |
Bmagic |
#action Dyrcona will look into git integration with POEditor |
| 15:10 |
Bmagic |
#info sandbergja, abneiman, redavis, and mmorgan will put out said point release |
| 15:10 |
abneiman |
hey we deffo did that |
| 15:10 |
sandbergja |
yeah, with Dyrcona's help! |
| 15:10 |
redavis |
Said point releases went out on July 19. 3.11.7, 3.12.5 and 3.12.2 |
| 15:10 |
Bmagic |
deffo cool! |
| 15:10 |
sleary |
sandbergja++ abneiman++ redavis++ mmorgan++ |
| 15:10 |
mmorgan |
:) |
| 15:11 |
redavis |
with Dyrcona's immense help |
| 15:11 |
jvwoolf |
sandbergja++ abneiman++ redavis++ mmorgan++ |
| 15:11 |
jvwoolf |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:11 |
Bmagic |
sandbergja++ abneiman++ redavis++ mmorgan++ Dyrcona++ |
| 15:11 |
mmorgan |
sandbergja++ abneiman++ redavis++ Dyrcona++ |
| 15:11 |
sleary |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:11 |
redavis |
Dyrcona++ sandbergja++ abneiman++ mmorgan++ |
| 15:11 |
Bmagic |
#info abneiman will review existing EOLI PRs for test plans |
| 15:11 |
shulabramble |
Dyrcona++ sandbergja++ abneiman++ mmorgan++ |
| 15:12 |
abneiman |
I reviewd them but did not add test plans to any. Will do so in advance of BSW. |
| 15:13 |
Bmagic |
abneiman++ |
| 15:13 |
sandbergja |
abneiman++ # that's awesome |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
abneiman++ |
| 15:13 |
redavis |
abneiman++ |
| 15:13 |
dluch |
abneiman++ |
| 15:13 |
Bmagic |
want that carried? |
| 15:14 |
jvwoolf |
abneiman++ |
| 15:14 |
abneiman |
nah |
| 15:14 |
Bmagic |
#info abneiman will add a discussion item for next meeting: test plans for big features |
| 15:14 |
abneiman |
I ninja-edited that into the agenda 10 minutes ago :) |
| 15:14 |
Bmagic |
I see that, lol |
| 15:14 |
* redavis |
was also ninja editing |
| 15:14 |
dluch |
sandbergja++ abneiman++ redavis++ mmorgan++ (belatedly, lol) |
| 15:14 |
Bmagic |
alright, that does it for last meeting stuffs |
| 15:15 |
Bmagic |
#topic Evergreen |
| 15:15 |
dluch |
ninja-editing++ |
| 15:15 |
Bmagic |
#info Roadmap: Evergreen Development Roadmap |
| 15:15 |
Bmagic |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap |
| 15:16 |
redavis |
Um...the 3.14 release team has been meeting... |
| 15:16 |
shulabramble |
ninjas++ editing++ |
| 15:16 |
Bmagic |
i guess it's 3 o' clock .14 somewhere |
| 15:16 |
jvwoolf |
redavis: Should we share the Launchpad tracking sheet? Or is it not ready for prime time yet? |
| 15:16 |
Bmagic |
who's working on the pi graphic for the release? |
| 15:16 |
redavis |
It's Dyrcona, Stompro, jvwoolf, and myself |
| 15:17 |
redavis |
jvwoolf, I think it's fine to share, but definitely a working document |
| 15:17 |
Bmagic |
feel free to hash link it |
| 15:18 |
redavis |
Stompro and Dyrcona worked through some postgresql 16 and ubuntu 24 things and that all is "ready to go." Next up is Bug Squash Week... |
| 15:18 |
Bmagic |
whoohoo! |
| 15:18 |
Bmagic |
new_postgres++ |
| 15:18 |
redavis |
The 3.14 roadmap wiki page is a living document as always but here is what's shaping up so far - https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap:3.14 |
| 15:19 |
redavis |
Here's our launchpad tracking sheet right now...https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xodq5mLdU7Cjlw-gi8KYAyI6wmfGKRYUE7LYDdpscJY/edit?usp=sharing |
| 15:20 |
Bmagic |
I love the organization of it |
| 15:20 |
Bmagic |
friggin_spreadsheets++ |
| 15:20 |
redavis |
So, there are a lot of things that had a 3.next target that were just kind of hanging on each release. We're working on going through those, but others might want to take a look. We also have page as yet unpopulated for things we might pass on to Terran for BSW |
| 15:20 |
abneiman |
whoa, total spreadsheet props |
| 15:20 |
jvwoolf |
redavis++ #for keeping us on task |
| 15:20 |
abneiman |
redavis++ |
| 15:20 |
* redavis |
also loves a spreadsheet |
| 15:20 |
sleary |
thank you all for cleaning out the 3.next target |
| 15:21 |
terranm |
Nice! |
| 15:21 |
terranm |
redavis++ |
| 15:21 |
redavis |
All the LP foo from jvwoolf on that. |
| 15:21 |
redavis |
jvwoolf++ |
| 15:21 |
terranm |
jvwoolf++ |
| 15:21 |
Bmagic |
jvwoolf++ |
| 15:21 |
abneiman |
jvwoolf++ |
| 15:22 |
Bmagic |
release_team++ |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
jvwoolf++ redavis++ |
| 15:22 |
sandbergja |
jvwoolf++ redavis++ Stompro++ Dyrcona++ |
| 15:22 |
mmorgan |
Dyrcona++ jvwoolf++ redavis++ Stompro++ |
| 15:22 |
sandbergja |
3.14 is going to be so cool! |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
stompro++ dyrcona++ |
| 15:22 |
* sleary |
wishes a happy tenth birthday to several of those 3.next bugs |
| 15:22 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona++ jvwoolf++ redavis++ Stompro++ |
| 15:22 |
dluch |
redavis++ jvwoolf++ Stompro++ Dyrcona++ |
| 15:22 |
redavis |
Oh...I guess we're talking about releases. There are going to be some point releases next week (please volunteer ye ol' buildmasters) |
| 15:23 |
Bmagic |
lol, ten years! Like a fine wine. But don't drink 'em |
| 15:23 |
Bmagic |
#info Maintenance releases 3.11.7, 3.12.5, 3.13.2 on July 19. |
| 15:23 |
abneiman |
lolsob |
| 15:23 |
Bmagic |
#info Merge Pause on Friday, August 16. Should be able to lift pause on Tuesday, August 20. |
| 15:23 |
Bmagic |
#info 3.13.3 and 3.12.6 monthly maintenance releases on Wednesday, August 21. |
| 15:24 |
Bmagic |
redavis prompted me to info those |
| 15:24 |
sandbergja |
are they on the 19th or 21st? |
| 15:24 |
redavis |
Volunteers for building the releases will be heartily compensated (with many accolades of praise...until the next release(s)) |
| 15:24 |
Bmagic |
I'm availablel for building next week |
| 15:25 |
sandbergja |
oh whoops, I was reading the July thing, ignore me |
| 15:25 |
redavis |
Bmagic++ |
| 15:25 |
sandbergja |
I could help on the 21st too |
| 15:25 |
* mmorgan |
can help |
| 15:25 |
redavis |
sandbergja, I wrote the stuff and still asked the exact same question to myself more than once. |
| 15:25 |
abneiman |
I signed myself up for release notes, which I can do early next week |
| 15:26 |
Bmagic |
abneiman++ |
| 15:26 |
redavis |
Great. I'll send out an email to bmagic, sandbergja, abneiman (cuz I see your release notes name on the spreadsheet) to see if we can schedule a quick talk time. |
| 15:26 |
Bmagic |
redavis++ |
| 15:26 |
Bmagic |
good idea |
| 15:26 |
sleary |
I might be around, but at the very least I can help with web uploading/updating |
| 15:26 |
sandbergja |
redavis++ |
| 15:26 |
Bmagic |
sleary++ |
| 15:26 |
redavis |
sleary++ |
| 15:26 |
mmorgan |
redavis: I can help too. |
| 15:26 |
Bmagic |
mmorgan++ |
| 15:26 |
redavis |
lol, alright, including all y'all! |
| 15:27 |
Bmagic |
blamo |
| 15:27 |
Bmagic |
#info Bug squash week for 3.14 release, August 26-30. |
| 15:27 |
Bmagic |
terranm++ |
| 15:27 |
redavis |
terranm++ |
| 15:28 |
mmorgan |
terranm++ |
| 15:28 |
sleary |
terranm++ |
| 15:28 |
shulabramble |
terranm++ |
| 15:28 |
terranm |
Yep 10 year anniversary, let's make it good! |
| 15:28 |
sandbergja |
terranm++ |
| 15:28 |
jvwoolf |
terranm++ |
| 15:28 |
redavis |
10 year anniversary and PIE!!!!! |
| 15:28 |
Bmagic |
I can't believe it, we've been doing BSW for 10 years, OMG |
| 15:28 |
dluch |
terranm++ |
| 15:29 |
Bmagic |
moving onto docs |
| 15:29 |
Bmagic |
#topic Documentation |
| 15:29 |
Bmagic |
#info DIG met on August 1 |
| 15:29 |
Bmagic |
#info We are running our style guide through Vale to find errors in the docs. Images without alt tags was first–all fixed now! Next up is consistent word use for certain terms |
| 15:29 |
Bmagic |
#info Plans to work on docs bugs and especially reviewing older bugs during Bug Squashing Week |
| 15:29 |
Bmagic |
#info Next meeting, September 5 |
| 15:29 |
Bmagic |
dluch you have the floor |
| 15:31 |
dluch |
Sorry, I was distracted, lol |
| 15:31 |
dluch |
I don't have anything else to add. Any questions? Any other DIGgers want to add/comment? |
| 15:32 |
Bmagic |
cool about Vale |
| 15:32 |
Bmagic |
dluch++ |
| 15:32 |
shulabramble |
dluch++ bmagic++ |
| 15:32 |
dluch |
shoutout to sandbergja for Vale! |
| 15:33 |
Bmagic |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:33 |
redavis |
dluch++ DIG++ |
| 15:33 |
dluch |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:33 |
shulabramble |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:33 |
redavis |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:33 |
dluch |
DIG++ |
| 15:33 |
Bmagic |
DIG++ |
| 15:33 |
mmorgan |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:33 |
Bmagic |
#topic Launchpad Status (as of noon Eastern) |
| 15:33 |
Bmagic |
hit the deck, we got incoming! |
| 15:33 |
Bmagic |
#info Open Bugs - 3119 |
| 15:33 |
Bmagic |
#info Pullrequests - 96 |
| 15:33 |
Bmagic |
#info Signedoff - 15 |
| 15:34 |
Bmagic |
#topic Launchpad Status since last meeting |
| 15:34 |
Bmagic |
#info Bugs Added - 69 |
| 15:34 |
Bmagic |
#info Pullrequest tag Added - 29 |
| 15:34 |
Bmagic |
#info Signedoff tag Added - 18 |
| 15:34 |
Bmagic |
#info Needswork tag Added - 2 |
| 15:34 |
Bmagic |
#info Needstestplan tag Added - 0 |
| 15:34 |
Bmagic |
#info Needsrebase tag Added - 5 |
| 15:34 |
Bmagic |
#info Fix Committed - 22 |
| 15:34 |
Bmagic |
#topic New Business - (Jane) How can we encourage more automated testing?, What are current barriers to writing and running the automated tests? |
| 15:34 |
sandbergja |
ok, my turn to paste some stuff: |
| 15:34 |
Bmagic |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:contributing:qa |
| 15:34 |
sandbergja |
During the 3.12 and 3.13 release process, we found a number of big issues that we were able to resolve before cutting the release, for example: |
| 15:34 |
sandbergja |
an unpredictable intermittent failure in search, a bug that prevented users from adding new action trigger event defs, a case where I had committed the wrong patch from a launchpad ticket, one where the holdings view wouldn't load, and a major accessibility regression that detached form inputs from their labels across the client. |
| 15:35 |
sandbergja |
And the way we found those was by one of our automated tests failing, alerting us to the issue, which is great! Very nice that we discovered those before they were in production. |
| 15:35 |
sandbergja |
However, it makes me think how many more regressions we could be catching if we'd been writing and running tests more often over the past 9 years. |
| 15:35 |
sandbergja |
So... I'd like to know: how can we get there? What barriers can we iron out around automated testing? |
| 15:36 |
redavis |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:36 |
shulabramble |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:37 |
Bmagic |
those node nightwatch tests are clever. Automating the process of clicking on the interface like a human would. Not sure what the barriers are? Hard to write? |
| 15:38 |
sleary |
IIRC there are two (maybe three?) different QA/guideline documents for contributions that have different instructions, and we need to consolidate them into one coherent process. |
| 15:38 |
Bmagic |
consolidate! +1. Got links? |
| 15:38 |
Stompro |
For me personally it is just the time it takes to create the tests, but I know if I do it more often it wouldn't take me as long. |
| 15:39 |
sleary |
working on links |
| 15:40 |
sandbergja |
Stompro++ sleary++ Bmagic++ |
| 15:41 |
Bmagic |
giving sleary a minute |
| 15:41 |
sleary |
https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:angular_dev_best_practices |
| 15:42 |
Bmagic |
I know there is one out ther esomewhere for PG and one for perl |
| 15:42 |
sleary |
https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:contributing:qa |
| 15:43 |
Bmagic |
there it is |
| 15:43 |
Bmagic |
that's the one I was thinking of |
| 15:43 |
Bmagic |
sleary++ |
| 15:43 |
sandbergja |
consolidating and refining those seems like a great place to start |
| 15:43 |
sleary |
https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:common_qa_problems might also be relevant |
| 15:44 |
terranm |
+1 to a single page just about writing tests |
| 15:44 |
Bmagic |
do we need to make assignments around this? |
| 15:44 |
sleary |
sandbergja I will be happy to help with that... about a month from now, lolsob |
| 15:44 |
Bmagic |
sleary++ |
| 15:44 |
terranm |
sleary++ sandbergja++ |
| 15:44 |
shulabramble |
+1 to a page about writing tests |
| 15:44 |
sandbergja |
a month sounds great! And I'm also happy to help as needed! |
| 15:45 |
mmorgan |
+1 to a page about writing, and also running them |
| 15:45 |
jeff |
do we need to do anything to remove barriers to running the tests? i.e., is setting up an environment where you can run the tests challenging or not-well-documented? |
| 15:45 |
redavis |
sandbergja++ sleary++ |
| 15:45 |
sleary |
I know that sandbergja has given a couple of talks in New Devs about test-driven development, and we can pull things from those meeting archives |
| 15:45 |
redavis |
jeff, good question |
| 15:45 |
Bmagic |
#action sleary and sandbergja will create/consolidate the test writing wiki page(s) |
| 15:45 |
terranm |
It always makes sense when I watch Jane do it, but then confusion returns |
| 15:46 |
Bmagic |
jeff: the docker container image now days is including the pre-reqs which is nice |
| 15:46 |
sleary |
jeff I think there is one quirk around Firefox, but it's mentioned in the eg2 CHEAT SHEET doc |
| 15:46 |
Bmagic |
Imma preserve those wiki urls |
| 15:46 |
sandbergja |
for me, reloading a test database from scratch can take a while, and a clean db is necessary for some of the tests |
| 15:46 |
Bmagic |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:common_qa_problems |
| 15:47 |
Bmagic |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:contributing:qa |
| 15:47 |
Bmagic |
I added a feature to the the dev container, which I find myself using a bunch, that automates the creation of new databases by editing a text file |
| 15:47 |
sleary |
the e2e tests take a while to run, and the syntax for running them on a single file or directory is not easy to remember |
| 15:48 |
sandbergja |
true sleary |
| 15:48 |
sleary |
we can probably script our way out of that problem :) |
| 15:48 |
sandbergja |
Bmagic I know you've told me this before, but I gotta start using the dev containers! |
| 15:49 |
Bmagic |
sandbergja: the water is fine, lol |
| 15:49 |
Bmagic |
the takeaway was consolidating the wiki pages |
| 15:50 |
Bmagic |
shall we add something else? |
| 15:50 |
sleary |
maybe step 2 can be writing some simple example tests or pinpointing old ones as good examples for basic tasks |
| 15:50 |
sandbergja |
maybe as part of that process we can look into the syntax for nightwatch on a single file or directory -- whether it is a docs fix or a script fix? |
| 15:51 |
sleary |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:52 |
Bmagic |
making sure I'm understanding: making the test run differently depending on what was committed? |
| 15:52 |
sleary |
running the tests on only the files you changed rather than the whole Angular project |
| 15:52 |
Bmagic |
gotcha, and what's missing for that to work? |
| 15:52 |
sleary |
memorable syntax |
| 15:53 |
Bmagic |
documentation is missing basically? |
| 15:53 |
sleary |
it's documented in the Nightwatch docs, but it's hard to remember |
| 15:53 |
sleary |
not sure it's in our cheat shee |
| 15:53 |
sleary |
sheet |
| 15:53 |
eeevil |
I would appreciate a how-to, for sure. fwiw |
| 15:53 |
sandbergja |
so better syntax and better docs perhaps |
| 15:54 |
Bmagic |
maybe a wrapper that takes some evergreen-community arguments. like ./wrapper --one-test path/to/file |
| 15:54 |
sleary |
that's what I was thinking, but docs would be simpler :) |
| 15:54 |
Bmagic |
docs would be simplier :) |
| 15:55 |
dluch |
docs++ ;-) |
| 15:55 |
Bmagic |
I suppose that can be part of the same action? Or woudl you like a new action? Anyone want to put their name on it? |
| 15:56 |
sleary |
that should probably be a separate action from the wiki page consolidation |
| 15:56 |
Bmagic |
would you like to have it? |
| 15:56 |
sandbergja |
you could put my name on it |
| 15:56 |
Bmagic |
#action sandbergja will make it easier for folks to know how to run the tests in single file mode and all-mode |
| 15:57 |
Bmagic |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:57 |
sleary |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:57 |
sandbergja |
thanks everyone! |
| 15:57 |
sleary |
thanks for bringing up this topic! |
| 15:57 |
mmorgan |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:57 |
Bmagic |
we're coming up on the hour |
| 15:57 |
Bmagic |
#topic New Business - Hatch extension 'may soon no longer be supported' Hatch Chrome Extension |
| 15:57 |
Bmagic |
#link https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/hatch-native-messenger/ppooibdipmklfichpmkcgplfgdplgahl |
| 15:57 |
shulabramble |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:57 |
dluch |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:58 |
berick |
count me in for helping with Hatch work. hopefully i can pitch in starting next week |
| 15:58 |
* berick |
runs off to another meeting |
| 15:58 |
jeff |
happy to help / help test. |
| 15:58 |
Bmagic |
berick++ |
| 15:58 |
Bmagic |
jeff++ |
| 15:58 |
sandbergja |
berick++ jeff++ |
| 15:58 |
mmorgan |
csharp opened bug 2004058 |
| 15:58 |
jeff |
also, noting for the benefit of any who have the ability to make use of policies across their chrome fleet: |
| 15:58 |
jeff |
> Enterprises using the ExtensionManifestV2Availability policy to ensure the continued functioning of Manifest V2 extensions in their organization will have one additional year - until June 2025 - to migrate the Manifest V2 extensions in their organization. Browsers with the policy enabled won't be impacted by the rollout of the deprecation until that time. |
| 15:59 |
jeff |
( from https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/develop/migrate/mv2-deprecation-timeline ) |
| 15:59 |
jeff |
I'll also add that to the bug as a comment. |
| 15:59 |
mmorgan |
berick++ jeff++ |
| 15:59 |
Bmagic |
#action berick and jeff will look at making Hatch look better in the chrome store, so that it's not removed |
| 15:59 |
Bmagic |
#topic New Business - DokuWiki needs updating |
| 16:00 |
sleary |
that was me! Just a note for those of us who have website/db access; we should update |
| 16:00 |
dluch |
berick++ jeff++ |
| 16:00 |
Bmagic |
I see, you mean upgrade dokuwiki version |
| 16:00 |
sleary |
yes |
| 16:01 |
Bmagic |
cool, who usually does that? |
| 16:01 |
Bmagic |
do we have a dev environment to make sure the upgrade works before doing it for real? |
| 16:01 |
abneiman |
I think has fallen on Rogan and/or Galen the last few times |
| 16:01 |
sleary |
csharp_ most likely. I think I can, but I'm reluctant to touch things without taking time to make my own backups |
| 16:02 |
Bmagic |
I can help too :) |
| 16:02 |
Bmagic |
#action Bmagic will work on upgrading the version of DokuWiki |
| 16:03 |
Bmagic |
#topic (ABN) Test plans for big features? |
| 16:03 |
Bmagic |
We're almost done... sorry we're going over |
| 16:03 |
abneiman |
yes, so, briefly |
| 16:03 |
abneiman |
what does the community want to / need to see out of test plans for new features? |
| 16:04 |
abneiman |
things that are beyond the scope of "X is broken, install patch Y, follow steps 1 2 3, profit" |
| 16:04 |
Bmagic |
are you finding that certain things need more than our bsw and bff ? |
| 16:04 |
abneiman |
asking because several EOLI feature PRs are either forthcoming soon, or carryovers from 3.13, and I want to make sure I'm doing what is needed to facilitate review & commit of those things |
| 16:05 |
Stompro |
I always appreciate notes on how to configure the system if certain lib settings need to be enabled, etc. |
| 16:05 |
jeff |
varies, but maybe starting with: "here is a summary of / pointer to description of what this code should add/change/fix; here is a recommended way to test / how we tested; here are special considerations / gotchas"? |
| 16:05 |
abneiman |
Stompro++ jeff++ |
| 16:05 |
mmorgan |
What Stompro said. Also if certain data is needed. |
| 16:05 |
abneiman |
both helpful thanks |
| 16:05 |
abneiman |
mmorgan++ |
| 16:06 |
redavis |
Stompro++ jeff++ mmorgan++ |
| 16:06 |
abneiman |
and Bmagic, regarding BSW, I acknowlege that it's hard to test big features when there's a lot of other fixes flying around ... which is fine, IMO, that's what BSW is about. |
| 16:06 |
Bmagic |
Stompro++ jeff++ mmorgan++ |
| 16:07 |
Bmagic |
abneiman++ # I think I took your query the wrong direction after reading Stompro, jeff and mmorgan's ideas |
| 16:07 |
abneiman |
like I said, I want to make sure we're doing what we can to faciliate merges of features. And to maybe offer similar guidelines to other feature developers |
| 16:07 |
sandbergja |
abneiman++ |
| 16:07 |
shulabramble |
abneiman++ |
| 16:07 |
mmorgan |
abneiman++ |
| 16:08 |
Bmagic |
thanks all, just a couple things and we're outta here |
| 16:08 |
Bmagic |
#topic Announcements |
| 16:08 |
abneiman |
anyway, I appreciate the thoughts shared ... any others can come to me here, or directly at abneiman equinoxoli.org and I'll put them.... somewhere public |
| 16:08 |
terranm |
abneiman++ |
| 16:08 |
dluch |
abneiman++ |
| 16:08 |
Bmagic |
#info Next Meeting is Tuesday, September 10th 2024 |
| 16:08 |
Bmagic |
#info Hack-A-Way, November 12-14 in Boston, MA |
| 16:08 |
Bmagic |
#endmeeting |
| 16:08 |
pinesol |
Meeting ended Tue Aug 13 16:08:34 2024 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:08 |
pinesol |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2024/evergreen.2024-08-13-15.00.html |
| 16:08 |
pinesol |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2024/evergreen.2024-08-13-15.00.txt |
| 16:08 |
pinesol |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2024/evergreen.2024-08-13-15.00.log.html |
| 16:08 |
mmorgan |
Bmagic++ |
| 16:08 |
redavis |
And the Hack-A-Way page is linked in the agenda. It seems far away but isn't. |
| 16:08 |
redavis |
Bmagic++ |
| 16:09 |
dluch |
Bmagic++ |
| 16:09 |
terranm |
Bmagic++ |
| 16:09 |
shulabramble |
bmagic++ |
| 16:09 |
jvwoolf |
Bmagic++ |
| 16:09 |
jvwoolf |
Anybody know if there will be a virtual component to the Hack-A-Way this year? |
| 16:10 |
redavis |
jvwoolf, not sure yet. But Rogan might know |
| 16:12 |
jvwoolf |
If there is any way I can assist with making that happen, let me know! I would like to attend, but in person will be hard for me until the baby gets a bit bigger. |
| 16:12 |
redavis |
jvwoolf++ |
| 16:13 |
Bmagic |
jvwoolf: I don't think you're alone. I think it's a great idea to offer remote attendance. Easier said than done, I'm sure. |
| 16:15 |
redavis |
It gets a little easier each time from a technology standpoint. From a venue standpoint, there are some unknowns right now. I'll ask at the next outreach meeting. |
| 16:20 |
jvwoolf |
redavis++ |
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| 16:40 |
csharp_ |
sleary: Bmagic: re: dokuwiki - users with admin rights can update via the GUI fwiw |
| 16:41 |
Bmagic |
csharp_: that sounds super easy |
| 16:41 |
csharp_ |
yep, and quick |
| 16:41 |
csharp_ |
just back up the folder for safety |
| 16:41 |
Bmagic |
do you have an reservations about clicking on it without testing it on a cloned env? |
| 16:41 |
csharp_ |
nah, I've done it several times |
| 16:42 |
Bmagic |
ok then, sounds like it's in good hands! |
| 16:42 |
csharp_ |
we do keep backups for 30 days on that server at ITS also |
| 16:42 |
Bmagic |
perfect |
| 16:42 |
csharp_ |
file-level browseable backups via Dell Avamar |
| 16:42 |
Bmagic |
aint dell grand |
| 16:43 |
csharp_ |
so dell |
| 16:43 |
Bmagic |
lol |
| 16:52 |
jeff |
so dell. much dude. very michael. |
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sleary |
csharp_: cool! Thanks! |
| 17:57 |
sleary |
Wiki updated. Refresh if you see the logo as a repeating background. |
| 18:11 |
Bmagic |
sleary++ |
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