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05:00 pinesol News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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10:33 pinesol [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP1823041 Angular dialogs return observables - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2f8ada2>
10:33 pinesol [evergreen|Jane Sandberg] LP1823041: Converting new dialogs to observables - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c707fad>
10:33 pinesol [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP1823041 Remove unintentially merged code blocks - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=efc79c1>
10:33 pinesol [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP1823041 Observable dialogs repairs and cleanup - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=91c438c>
10:33 pinesol [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP1823041 Confirm dialog returns true/false repairs - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=e4cd703>
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11:58 bshum Well that was amusing
11:59 remingtron_ bshum: I'm still waiting for my alter ego to leave.
12:02 bshum I just did a "ghost" on my nickname with nickserv and forced him away
12:02 bshum And then reclaimed my name :)
12:05 bshum I guess there's still weirdness going on though
12:05 bshum It's a sign that it's time for lunch :)
12:06 Dyrcona bshum: Agreed!
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13:51 agoben The EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting will start in about 10 minutes!
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13:58 pinesol [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1833080: have eg-bool recognize IDL bool string values - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=eef6f0f>
13:59 * berick updated evgdemo.kcls.org to master as of 1 minute ago if anyone needs an updated demo server
14:00 agoben Here we go!
14:00 agoben #startmeeting EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.​php?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20
14:00 pinesol Meeting started Thu Jun 20 14:00:32 2019 US/Eastern.  The chair is agoben. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 pinesol Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now  (Meeting topic: EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20)
14:00 pinesol The meeting name has been set to 'eob_meeting_for_2019_06_20__agenda_h​ttps___wiki_evergreen_ils_org_doku_ph​p_id_governance_minutes_2019_06_20'
14:00 agoben #topic Roll Call
14:00 agoben Use the #info command to provide name and affiliation
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now Roll Call (Meeting topic: EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20)
14:00 hbrennan #info hbrennan is Holly Brennan, no library affiliation! :(  Homer Alaska
14:00 agoben #info agoben = Anna Goben, Evergreen Indiana
14:00 JBoyer #info JBoyer = Jason Boyer, IN State Library, Evergreen Indiana
14:00 csharp #info csharp = Chris Sharp, GPLS
14:01 littlet #info littlet = Tiffany Little, GPLS
14:01 cowens #info cowens = Chris Owens, BPL/COOL
14:01 nfBurton #info nfBurton = Chris Burton, Niagara Falls Public Library
14:01 agoben We're all here excpet for gmcharlt!
14:01 agoben #topic Approval of Minutes
14:01 agoben #info Minutes from 2019-05-16 meeting: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2019/evergreen.2019-05-16-14.00.html
14:01 agoben Corrections, updates, suggestions?
14:01 Topic for #evergreen is now Approval of Minutes (Meeting topic: EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20)
14:02 hbrennan I finally made it :)
14:02 agoben Can I get a motion to approve the minutes?
14:02 agoben We're glad to see you again!  We missed you!
14:02 littlet I'll move to approve them
14:02 JBoyer Second
14:03 agoben #startvote Accept minutes from 2019-05-16? yes, no
14:03 pinesol Begin voting on: Accept minutes from 2019-05-16? Valid vote options are yes, no.
14:03 pinesol Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts.
14:03 JBoyer hbrennan++ #!
14:03 JBoyer #vote yes
14:03 agoben yes
14:03 csharp #vote yes
14:03 littlet #vote yes
14:03 agoben #vote yes
14:03 cowens #vote yes
14:03 nfBurton #vote yes
14:03 hbrennan #vote yes
14:03 agoben #endvote
14:03 pinesol Voted on "Accept minutes from 2019-05-16?" Results are
14:03 pinesol yes (7): nfBurton, JBoyer, agoben, cowens, csharp, hbrennan, littlet
14:03 agoben #topic Chair Report
14:03 Topic for #evergreen is now Chair Report (Meeting topic: EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20)
14:03 agoben #info I have received 5 of the COI forms which we need to pursue the 1023.  Still need them from Chris B., Chris S., Holly, Jessica.
14:04 hbrennan agoben: I feel like after the email list change I'm not getting everything
14:04 hbrennan Sorry!
14:04 agoben #info I have reached out about the donation approved at the last meeting, but haven't confirmed the payment has been made as yet.
14:04 agoben hbrennan: I'll resend!
14:04 rhamby #info rhamby = Rogan Hamby, Equinox
14:04 agoben #action agoben will send reminders re: COI forms
14:05 csharp oh - oops
14:05 agoben Part of it was my fault because somehow the old file got overlaid initially, but we should be all set with the new version.
14:05 nfBurton Right! I will send today
14:06 agoben I'll send out the link with the reminder if I dont' hear from you yet today
14:06 agoben Any questions about the Chair/President's report?
14:07 agoben Seems to be quiet, so I'll move along.
14:07 * csharp confirms that hbrennan is on the new board@list.evergreen-ils.org list
14:07 agoben #topic Treasurer's Financial Report
14:07 agoben gmcharlt is out, but sent an update to the board's list.  The formal reports will be provided for review after the ALA conference is over.
14:07 agoben #info Received the $20,000 grant from Conservancy of Evergreen project funds, and should be able to honor invoice from MOBIUS soon.
14:07 agoben #info Starting to pay expenditures related to ALA Annual 2019.
14:07 Topic for #evergreen is now Treasurer's Financial Report (Meeting topic: EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20)
14:08 agoben And we'll be discussing the budgetary reallocation policy later this meeting.  Anyone have anything to discuss on the budget front otherwise?
14:08 csharp #info gmcharlt's updates: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipe​rmail/board/2019-June/000007.html
14:09 agoben We may have more to think about when the full reports come in, but it sounds like things are moving as expected.
14:09 agoben Up next:
14:09 agoben #topic SFC Updates
14:09 Topic for #evergreen is now SFC Updates (Meeting topic: EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20)
14:09 agoben Anyone have anything to note here?
14:10 agoben #info No updates
14:10 agoben #topic Release Manager (3.3)
14:10 Topic for #evergreen is now Release Manager (3.3) (Meeting topic: EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20)
14:10 agoben Is dbwells around?
14:11 agoben Must be busy!
14:12 agoben #topic Release Manager (3.4)
14:12 Topic for #evergreen is now Release Manager (3.4) (Meeting topic: EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20)
14:12 agoben Report from gmcharlt:
14:12 agoben #info The first feedback fest for the 3.4 cycle, which coincided with a Bug Squashing Week, was a success.
14:12 agoben Anyone else have anything from the current releases to discuss?
14:12 csharp we're cutting point releases today - possibly announced tomorrow
14:13 agoben ++
14:13 nfBurton Just want to point out that Launchpad hasn't been updated with the 3.4 release manager
14:13 csharp for 3.1 and 3.2
14:13 csharp not sure about 3.3
14:13 JBoyer nfBurton, I'll see if I can manage that.
14:13 agoben Thank you!
14:14 nfBurton Thanks. I had to do some digging to find it
14:14 agoben Moving along then
14:14 agoben #topic 2019 Conference Committee
14:14 Topic for #evergreen is now 2019 Conference Committee (Meeting topic: EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20)
14:14 agoben Any more follow up on the 2019 conference other than the donation check?
14:15 agoben Seems to be nothing, so...
14:15 agoben #topic 2020 Conference Committee
14:15 Topic for #evergreen is now 2020 Conference Committee (Meeting topic: EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20)
14:16 agoben Is terran around with any updates/
14:16 agoben ?
14:16 agoben Or anyone else on the Conference Committee?
14:16 littlet I'm here
14:16 agoben Anything exciting (or not) to share?
14:16 littlet The contract has been signed with the venue
14:16 agoben Excellent!
14:16 littlet And...that might be it. Or at least that's all I can think of at the moment.
14:17 JBoyer That was the last I heard, littlet.
14:17 agoben Was the deposit done through MOBIUS or the new EVG account?
14:17 terran joined #evergreen
14:17 agoben Or is that still outstanding?
14:18 JBoyer I don't recall hearing. Too old to be the TEP account I thought
14:18 littlet Looking... I feel like it was MOBIUS
14:18 csharp terran: since you just joined <+agoben> Was the deposit done through MOBIUS or the new EVG account?
14:18 littlet But I just saw terran pop in, maybe she remembers
14:18 csharp for the conference venue
14:18 terran I believe it was supposed to be done directly to the new account
14:18 agoben ++  Just curious about the flow of the funds since we have the new account.
14:19 terran Oh sorry, I thought you meant the grant funds
14:19 terran Are you talking about the 2020 conference deposit?
14:19 csharp only gmcharlt and I are signees at the moment and I know I haven't despensed any funds yet
14:19 csharp terran: yep
14:19 littlet "We do not require a deposit for corporate events"
14:19 csharp ah
14:19 littlet From the venue's email. So no deposit
14:19 terran I don't think we've been invoiced for a deposit
14:19 JBoyer Wow.
14:20 agoben Nice!
14:20 agoben Ok, now that my curiosity is satisfied, anyone have anything else?
14:21 agoben And thanks for popping in terran!
14:21 terran Sure :D
14:21 agoben Moving on then
14:21 agoben #topic Outreach Committee
14:21 Topic for #evergreen is now Outreach Committee (Meeting topic: EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20)
14:21 agoben rhamby?
14:21 rhamby agoben: I email the update earlier.  So, first up, any questions?
14:21 agoben I do have this ready
14:21 agoben #info The full report is available here: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipe​rmail/board/2019-June/000008.html
14:22 rhamby At this point things are moving ahead and going well.
14:22 rhamby The main procedural things we'd like to work out moving forward are when the budget is needed by the baord and we'd like to streamline things in regards to moving between line items.
14:23 rhamby In regards to the lineitems I think gmcharlt's recommendations that he provided in email would work well for us.
14:23 agoben We're going to get into that shortly, yes.
14:23 agoben Sounds like we're in good shape though!  Thanks for the update!
14:23 rhamby No more from me.
14:24 agoben #topic Site Selection Committee
14:24 Topic for #evergreen is now Site Selection Committee (Meeting topic: EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20)
14:24 agoben I've not reached out to the previous group as yet.  Will put that on my TODO list!
14:24 agoben Any feedback that should go with that TODO?
14:25 csharp we always seem to scramble around this every year - we should consider a standing committee that just knows it needs to meet at a certain time each year
14:26 agoben Seems reasonable
14:26 littlet +1
14:26 agoben Something to be slated for the fall?  Sept/Oct timeframe?
14:27 agoben Solicit members generally or appoint them from past participants?
14:27 csharp as long as there's enough time between the selection and the need to secure a venue via contract
14:28 csharp I think there should be continuity and I would volunteer to be on the standing committee
14:28 terran It's always nice to announce the next year's location during a conference
14:28 agoben Well, it seems like if we go with fall for 16-18 months ahead that should be fairly doable and doesn't get into holiday/new year's reporting madness.
14:28 littlet I would volunteer as well. I was just looking back through my emails and looks like in January was the first the site selection committee got together
14:28 csharp agoben: makes sense to me
14:29 agoben They were a bit late this year, at least that was my impression.
14:29 littlet Yes, I believe so. So earlier than that would be good
14:29 csharp littlet and I volunteered this last time before we realized we were also submitting a proposal :-)
14:29 csharp yeah, so September/October for 2021
14:30 agoben Alright, so I know Amy T has headed them up more than once.  I'll ask if she'd be interested in participating too.
14:30 csharp I don't mind heading up the committee effort (not necessarily as chair, just convening the group)
14:30 agoben Others who should be approached now?
14:31 csharp anyone who has been on a past conf committee would be useful, like dluch
14:31 agoben ++
14:31 agoben Would you be willing to put that group together then?
14:31 csharp yes'm
14:32 agoben #action csharp will solicit and create the 2021 conference selection committee
14:32 agoben Thank you very much!
14:32 csharp happy to do it!
14:32 JBoyer csharp++
14:32 littlet csharp I have notes from a meeting with the 2020 folks that talked about standing committee members. Once I find it, I'll send it to you
14:32 csharp littlet: thanks
14:32 agoben ++
14:33 agoben #topic Unfinished Business
14:33 Topic for #evergreen is now Unfinished Business (Meeting topic: EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20)
14:34 agoben I have none that hasn't already been discussed.  Anyone else?
14:34 agoben The NFP paperwork is currently in the collecting COI phase.  I've received at least one more already at the meeting.
14:35 agoben Will turn that over to Dilly once they're all in so we can move forward on the 1023.
14:35 csharp I'll do mine asap
14:35 agoben ty!
14:35 agoben Ok then, on to the big discussion for the day.
14:35 agoben #topic New Business: Policy for budget adjustments
14:35 Topic for #evergreen is now New Business: Policy for budget adjustments (Meeting topic: EOB meeting for 2019-06-20, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=governance:minutes:2019-06-20)
14:35 agoben Comments from gmcharlt : For expenditures authorized by the board for a specific project, such as the participation at ALA Annual, the committee acting on that approval can have leeway to adjust actual expenditures among the individual line items that made up the original proposal, subject to the restrictions that (a) any adjustments must be directly tied to the approved project and (b) expenditures that would go over the total approved amount must be
14:35 agoben brought to the board for approval. I could also envision a variant of (b) that gives (say) the treasurer authorization to permit going over by 5% (capped at $250) in exigent circumstances, but that the preference is to put it before the board first.
14:35 agoben I'm in favor of formally accepting something along those lines into policy, but also think it would be wise to review in subcommittee if there are other angles that the board would like to consider.
14:36 agoben The last entry there are my comments. (Realize they're stuck to the others).
14:36 agoben We also, as requested, need to have deadlines outlined for budget creation if we don't have them already.
14:37 nfBurton Sounds reasonable
14:37 littlet I'm good with gmcharlt 's suggestions
14:38 agoben Anyone feel particularly passionate about going with a subcommittee vs trying to hash it out now?
14:38 agoben And should this be defined in our Rules of Governance or in a separate budgetary policy?
14:39 csharp I think it would be a good idea to let a subcommittee review it, myself (not volunteering for that one, but thinking it would be a good idea to let it percolate)
14:39 littlet Re: budget creation, when is the start of our fiscal year? Since we're a new entity, do we even have a fiscal year outlined yet?
14:39 agoben I can't find where that's defined, but I'm sure Galen knows
14:39 agoben er, gmcharlt
14:40 agoben I think it would make the most sense for him to lead that subcommittee if he is willing.  I'm happy to toss in my 3 cents since I do a reasonable bit of budget work for our local project.
14:40 JBoyer I'm fine with starting with gmcharlt's wording, having a small subcommittee look into options, and having a separate policy. (The RoG seems like it should be a small core of policy, not where "everything" ends up)
14:41 littlet Agree with JBoyer
14:41 littlet On all points :)
14:41 csharp +1
14:41 agoben +1
14:41 nfBurton +1
14:41 hbrennan +1
14:41 cowens +1
14:42 agoben Ok, do we want to formalize that with an official vote or just list the action?
14:42 csharp action
14:43 littlet +1
14:43 JBoyer It sounds like it won't find much opposition, and since I can never remember if it needs to be a committee actoin or not it's safest to anyway
14:43 agoben #action A subcomittee shall be formed to create a budget policy for The Evergreen Project
14:43 JBoyer or... what csharp said. :)
14:43 agoben They're appointed by the committee is all I could find in Roberts
14:43 agoben Robert's Rules, that is.
14:43 JBoyer Close enough for me.
14:44 agoben Further discussion?
14:44 agoben Or other new business?
14:44 JBoyer Is this subcommittee going to explore gmcharlt's mention of an annual budget?
14:45 JBoyer (for outreach, specifically)
14:45 agoben The current action is open for that purpose, yes.
14:45 JBoyer nothing else from me then.
14:45 agoben We could be more specific though if we want to bound the policy extent
14:45 littlet Since this will take a little bit of time with subcom review, does the outreach committee have what they need for ALA?
14:46 littlet For their immediate needs, until the subcommittee comes to some long-range suggestion
14:46 JBoyer rhamby still around?
14:46 agoben I'm hoping so since gmcharlt is there and can presumably use the EVG account for things
14:47 rhamby JBoyer: I am, ,reading up
14:47 rhamby We're covered for ALA, I brought this up for future purposes.
14:47 agoben ++
14:47 JBoyer rhamby++
14:47 littlet rhamby++
14:47 rhamby i.e., streamline things and make everything transparent hopefully
14:47 csharp littlet++ # thinkin' real smart
14:48 littlet Hah :D
14:48 agoben Alright, anything else?
14:49 agoben Looks like we're done!  Thanks everyone!!!
14:49 agoben #endmeeting
14:49 Topic for #evergreen is now Welcome to the #evergreen library system channel! | We are publicly logged: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen | Large pastes at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org | Can't speak? Make sure your nickname is registered and that you are identified to freenode services: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
14:49 pinesol Meeting ended Thu Jun 20 14:49:19 2019 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:49 pinesol Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2019/evergreen.2019-06-20-14.00.html
14:49 pinesol Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2019/evergreen.2019-06-20-14.00.txt
14:49 pinesol Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2019/evergreen.2019-06-20-14.00.log.html
14:49 JBoyer agoben++
14:49 agoben csharp++
14:49 littlet agoben++
14:49 agoben rhamby++
14:49 agoben terran++
14:49 agoben tlittle++
14:49 csharp agoben:++
14:49 nfBurton agoben++
14:50 hbrennan THanks agoben!
14:50 hbrennan agoben++
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15:25 makohund Any known reasons the sort order in a print template (orderBy on an ng-repeat block) might be ignored?  As in, simply not work?
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15:54 jeffdavis Dyrcona: pushed a fix for that place hold internal server error, sorry for the oversight, thanks for poking at it
15:55 Dyrcona jeffdavis: I see. I had pushed my own fix and saw that you updated your branch when I did a fetch on my test vm. I'll see what you did and give it a try.
15:56 Dyrcona jeffdavis++ # I made the same changes.
17:00 pinesol News from qatests: Failed Running perl live tests <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~li​ve/test.49.html#2019-06-20T16:59:30,171327774-0400 -0>
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17:08 jeff #   Failed test 'No missing assets required by the offline interface'
17:08 jeff #   at live_t/24-offline-all-assets.t line 7.
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