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* kmlussier |
makes a note to replace 'cart' with 'basket' in the 3.2 release notes. |
09:27 |
Bmagic |
Notes to change notes |
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Bmagic |
My notes are so big, even my notes have notes! |
09:28 |
Dyrcona |
heh. |
09:32 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: Are your self-checks from 3M/Bibliotheca? I'm asking for the sake of honesty on my internal bug write up. |
09:36 |
Dyrcona |
I suppose I can word it so it doesn't matter. :) |
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* Dyrcona |
may change his bug to Opinion or Invalid later. |
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09:49 |
pastebot |
"Bmagic" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "Long running search" (19 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/14240 |
09:49 |
Bmagic |
We are seeing super long running search queries on production after upgrading to 3.1. Anyone see anything strange about that search query? |
09:51 |
Bmagic |
Been running 22 hours. I am considering a cron job to kill long running queries like these |
09:51 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: Is that the whole thing? It looks to me like your paste is truncated, but I'm not an expert on search queries. |
09:53 |
Bmagic |
I believe it is.... unless I need to do something to psql to let more come out |
09:55 |
Dyrcona |
It should be the whole query if you didn't truncate the field. |
09:56 |
Bmagic |
I tried another way and got the same |
09:56 |
Dyrcona |
It just looks funny to me, but then all search queries look funny to me. :) |
09:57 |
* Dyrcona |
leaves it for miker or someone else more knowledgeable. |
09:57 |
Bmagic |
Not all search queries have this issue, just a few and they end up accumulating over time brining the CPU up on the db server |
09:58 |
Dyrcona |
We sometimes get long running searches, too, but not nearly as many in the past, nor running for as long, but we're on 3.0. |
09:58 |
Bmagic |
There is no way the patron/staff is still waiting for the answer and I feel it to be safe to kill it, however, it seems plausable that the drone waiting for the answer is hanging on a brick and killing the query might result in drone death, then more bad things |
09:58 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, they're safe to kill after a couple of minutes, I would think. |
09:59 |
Dyrcona |
csharp JBoyer and likely some others probably have cron jobs to do it automatically. |
09:59 |
Bmagic |
in the early days of 3.0, I had to put in something to kill the money billing queries for the web client... but these queries are standard search (I think) |
10:00 |
Dyrcona |
I think the drone gives up rather quickly. I don't think it waits forever for the response. |
10:00 |
miker |
1) that's not the whole query (pg_stat_activity defaults to, IIRC, 4k characters -- those queries are longer) 2) it's a bad plan because of bad statistics (or other tuning needs) -- step one, vacuum. step two, real tuning of db performance knobs (about which several books have been written, and it's data set dependent, even among evergreen instances of the same version) |
10:02 |
* Dyrcona |
wondered about limits in pg_stat_activity.... |
10:03 |
miker |
but the top is enough to know that, if other similarly simple searches are working, it's a stats or tuning issue, not a cold-db issue at 22 hours |
10:06 |
Bmagic |
miker: I do believe postgres tuning is my issue. I have tweaked a knob or two in an attempt to make it better recently as 3.1 seems to demand more connections. As you said, many books have been written about the subject. Over the years, I have read various in-depth articles and whatnot. Obviously it's insufficient for me at this point. |
10:08 |
Dyrcona |
We could add that as a hack-away topic: Tuning PostgreSQL, but I'm afraid we'd get no hacking done. |
10:10 |
Bmagic |
We have compared settings on occation and it seems that our settings are close if not exactly the same as other Evergreen instances. But that doesn't mean anything as the data sets are different (as you said). I understand that. Back to reading the internet. There has got to be a method for this in the context of an individual query |
10:14 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: I'd start with vacuum analyze on the relevant tables. |
10:16 |
Bmagic |
#vacuum analyze; has been done recently (all tables). And I still see autovacuum frequently. Probably due to the reingest and hold targeter changing lots of things everyday. Perhaps those search queries run long due to the same tables getting vacuumed at the same time. |
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10:34 |
Dyrcona |
And, while that discussion was going on, I got an email that load on our db server was "warning" and 2 minutes later it was back to "ok." I missed it. |
10:34 |
Bmagic |
ha! |
10:35 |
Dyrcona |
Bmagic: What do you mean "reingest ... changing things every day?" Do you mean the normal reingest from bib updates or are doing something extra every day? |
10:35 |
Bmagic |
there is a bib reingest running post upgrade |
10:36 |
* Dyrcona |
thnks our load warning threshold is too low given the number of cores we have. |
10:36 |
Dyrcona |
OK. I didn't realize that was still going on. I hear it takes a long time for some reason. |
10:37 |
Dyrcona |
Guess I will find out this week, since I plan got upgrade our training server from 3.0 to 3.2. |
10:37 |
Dyrcona |
got? really? s/got/to/ |
10:38 |
Bmagic |
it might be overkill, I used your pingest at first, but based upon some of the same issues in the database, I decided to do the low and slow reingest. update biblio.record_entry set marc=marc where id=x; in a loop for all bibs |
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10:41 |
Dyrcona |
I removed this the other day, but I'm adding it back: |
10:41 |
Dyrcona |
@hate Launchpad Search |
10:41 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: The operation succeeded. Dyrcona hates Launchpad Search. |
10:42 |
Bmagic |
haha, yeah, I feel your pain |
10:42 |
Dyrcona |
Tried to find bug 1768715 using just pingest as the search term. Didn't turn up until I added .pl. |
10:43 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1768715 in Evergreen "Add pingest.pl to evergreen" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1768715 |
10:43 |
Bmagic |
wow |
10:43 |
Dyrcona |
I did know enough to use Advanded Search and add Fix Released. |
10:43 |
Dyrcona |
I wasn't sure if it made it into 3.1 or 3.2. |
10:43 |
Dyrcona |
I thought 3.2, but wanted to make sure. |
10:44 |
Bmagic |
either way it made 3.2 |
10:46 |
Dyrcona |
True, but there's a difference: whether or not is in 3.1. |
10:46 |
Dyrcona |
So, you've got that to look forward to. :P |
10:46 |
Bmagic |
:) |
10:56 |
* JBoyer |
appears |
10:57 |
JBoyer |
Bmagic, Dyrcona is right, we cut off any search after 1:30 since Apache has likely given up already, even if OpenSRF hasn't. |
10:57 |
Bmagic |
good to know. Do you happen to know the frequency of that occurance? |
10:58 |
JBoyer |
It's really basic (I think a customized version of something we got from EOLI a long time ago) and it doesn't log anything, so short of scraping PG logs for cancellations I don't know how often it hits, no. |
10:59 |
Bmagic |
no worries. Thanks for the info. Another behavior that I am noticing is: BANG 10 search queries with the exact same criteria all at once. |
11:00 |
Bmagic |
I suppose the user is refreshing the browser over and over or clicking the search button like 10 times before it changes to a spinner |
11:00 |
JBoyer |
Some kid leaning on the enter key, I would guess. |
11:01 |
kmlussier |
@blame cats |
11:01 |
pinesol |
kmlussier: cats WILL PERISH UNDER MAXIMUM DELETION! DELETE. DELETE. DELETE! |
11:01 |
JBoyer |
No more JS than we use in the OPAC we can't prevent repeat submissions. (unless I'm misremembering) |
11:02 |
* JBoyer |
has never understood the 2 second delay on the spinner either. |
11:02 |
JBoyer |
I changed it to 2ms here, spinner means stop clicking! |
11:04 |
Dyrcona |
Even with JS, you can't necessarily guarantee that duplicate searches don't get sent. On the plus, Eg will cache the results. On the down side, it usually happens before the results are cached. |
11:04 |
Dyrcona |
Only thing you can do is setup a proxy and drop duplicate requests. |
11:05 |
* Dyrcona |
has looked into the general problem of double form submissions. |
11:05 |
Dyrcona |
I should say, the proxy is the only thing you can do that would be 100% effective. |
11:07 |
JBoyer |
Sure, it can't really stop anyone determined, or multiple people actually submitting the same search, I don't mind that. But I just did a simple test where I held down enter until I it looked like the screen was about to change and got 108 identical searches. |
11:08 |
Dyrcona |
JBoyer: Sounds about right. |
11:10 |
JBoyer |
Interesting thing about doing that though, you can get a rough idea of how well your load balancer spreads things around. ;) |
11:10 |
Dyrcona |
Or doesn't spread things around. :) |
11:11 |
Dyrcona |
Ours seems to pick on 1 brick at times, but it probably has something to do with "same source" requests. |
11:12 |
miker |
if the searches are truly identical, you shouldn't be seeing them at the db level unless they came in /super/ close to one another. once we get to the middle layer and have the query we're going to send to the db, before getting to the storage app and running the query, we stick a placeholder in memcache to say "I've got this, check back soon" and the subsequent requests should wait for the first to succeed. the other way to get duplicates would be |
11:12 |
miker |
for them to come in > 3mins (IIRC) apart, where we release the memcache placeholder because the results would be old anyway |
11:13 |
miker |
if you don't tell all service nodes about the same set of memcache servers, that won't work, of course |
11:15 |
JBoyer |
I wouldn't expect all of those to hit the db at once, no. But if they're coming in at essentially the keyboard refresh rate that's /quite/ close together, if perhaps not /super/ :) |
11:17 |
JBoyer |
It has been a good long since we've had the odd "here's 100+ of the same search, time to get sad" issue. I should probably stomp around on our dev server to see if I can trip it up anymore |
11:18 |
miker |
yeah, it's not perfect. there's also an opensrf patch that I think is still pending (after rework because of modern perl) to release the modperl instance once the client goes away (as in the case of cat-on-keyboard) |
11:18 |
Dyrcona |
It has been a while since I've seen a problem caused by this issue, probably once since we went to the current db hardware. |
11:19 |
miker |
all of these are just mitigation in the face of accidental duplicates. a determined attacker can take down any smallish site, not just an EG instance |
11:21 |
Dyrcona |
Sure, but we're not concerned about a determined attacker, just someone who doesn't know how browsers work. |
11:22 |
Dyrcona |
I.E. most people. |
11:25 |
JBoyer |
At any rate, the osrf level stuff definitely helps, since I could hardly catch a single search query on my db while I stressed out the (single) app server so hard it started throwing 404s. |
11:26 |
JBoyer |
Anyway, none of this really had to do with the 22hour old query, so that's enough sting pulling, lest a sweater get unraveled and it turns cold. |
11:26 |
Dyrcona |
My sweater unraveled a bit ago, I'm afraid. :) |
11:28 |
* JBoyer |
is definitely looking forward to the hackaway being somewhere warmer this year. |
11:28 |
* Dyrcona |
feels a draft from the windows, should probably put the storm windows down and the screens up. |
11:29 |
Dyrcona |
This will be first anything-Evergreen in the Atlanta area. Somehow, it was always tsbere's turn when I was at MVLC. :) |
11:33 |
bshum |
... really? |
11:33 |
bshum |
Huh, lol |
11:39 |
* kmlussier |
went to the Decatur conference and then went to Atlanta for some other library open source thing that wasn't specifically related to Evergreen. |
11:39 |
kmlussier |
I was hoping to make it back there for the hack-a-way, but I guess it's not happening. |
11:42 |
JBoyer |
kmlussier, well, there's at least one person that goes basically on their vacations... ;) |
11:42 |
kmlussier |
JBoyer: Sorry, I'll miss all of you, but not enough to spend my vacation time with you. :D |
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11:43 |
JBoyer |
Sounds fair. :D |
11:44 |
kmlussier |
Of course, if you all plan to meet up in Hawaii some year, I could change my mind. |
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11:46 |
rhamby |
kmlussier: ok, I might as well cancel the karoake rental then.... |
11:46 |
kmlussier |
rhamby: There's no reason you can't do karoake! I'm sure somebody will post the video so that I can enjoy it. |
11:50 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
11:51 |
kmlussier |
If anyone is looking for a quick and easy patch to test, there's bug 1783602 |
11:51 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1783602 in Evergreen "Copy counts should be removed from metarecord search results page" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1783602 |
11:56 |
plux |
cqqqqq |
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jwoodard |
so I have an odd question for the group |
12:02 |
jwoodard |
is there a way to age protect items, in a consortium setup, without utilizing age protection? |
12:04 |
jonadab |
Assign them to a "New Items" collection that is restricted from going out beyond the local library? And then move them to another collection when they're not new anymore? |
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12:09 |
jwoodard |
but how would you restrict items to circulate locally only without age protection? |
12:09 |
jwoodard |
i feel like the answer is staring me in my face |
12:10 |
mmorgan |
jwoodard: You can set a hold policy with a transit range of Branch or System. |
12:11 |
mmorgan |
jwoodard: Why do you not want to use age hold protection? |
12:14 |
jwoodard |
even though if falls off after it set time it still shows in the catalog |
12:16 |
jwoodard |
it drive our cataloger, and myself, crazy |
12:17 |
jwoodard |
*drives |
12:18 |
jwoodard |
also I am trying to find ways to protect our holiday books from all going out without having to batch edit or touch every item each holiday |
12:19 |
mmorgan |
Yes, I agree the display of the field is misleading, see lp 1251761 |
12:19 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1251761 in Evergreen "Age Hold Protection TPAC field doesn't change when expired" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1251761 |
12:23 |
kmlussier |
Does anyone run a nightly script that removes age protection from copies that are no longer age protected? It's not a good permanent solution, but could serve as a workaround. |
12:23 |
mmorgan |
jwoodard: We have some circ modifiers set up with a hold policy that restricts them to only be holdable at the owning library using the transit range. |
12:26 |
jwoodard |
mmorgan: I was just looking over the hold policies to see what is possible |
12:26 |
JBoyer |
We remove age protection the day it "expires" and also automatically roll some 'blah blah new' circ mods to regular old 'blah blah' |
12:27 |
JBoyer |
An automated script is really the only way to do it. It could be made into a srfsh script, or something that uses the CronScript perl modules, but the end result is the same. |
12:27 |
jwoodard |
We remove ours monthly from new items |
12:27 |
mmorgan |
Also, I have not tested this, but I remember discussion about the ability to set up a hold policy that consults an age hold protection rule based on other selections in the hold policy. |
12:29 |
jwoodard |
as we have grown we are encountering more special cases where age protection would be nice |
12:29 |
jwoodard |
but we do not want to increase the workload |
12:30 |
jwoodard |
how does the "item age<" field function? |
12:30 |
jwoodard |
that was my first thought but I cannot find any documentation on it |
12:30 |
JBoyer |
I should have been more specific. kmlussier is right, we do all of that stuff daily through a cron job for the entire consortium. There's no point in touching age protection once it's set. |
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Bmagic |
we run that script (removing the age protection after it's expired) cron |
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mmorgan |
jwoodard: I also want to mention that we use holds always go home, so if an item travels to another library, it will always come home if there's a hold at the owning library. |
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Dyrcona |
jwoodard: The item_age< field means that hold matrix matchpoint only applies to items whose age is less than the field value. |
12:45 |
Dyrcona |
It could be used as a substitute for age hold protection if the matrix is set up correctly. |
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13:19 |
jwoodard |
thanks everyone! you have given me some different idea on how to tackle our problems |
13:28 |
mmorgan |
jwoodard: Good luck, BTW, I don't think your question was odd at all :) |
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jeffdavis |
Are point releases expected tomorrow-ish? (The calendar has them scheduled for last week.) |
13:59 |
berick |
jeffdavis: i believe so, yes. |
14:01 |
jeffdavis |
cool, thanks |
14:16 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: ping |
14:16 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: Yes? |
14:17 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: I'm wrapping up testing of the branch for bug 1746536 |
14:17 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1746536 in Evergreen "web client: cannot edit vol/call number in item status" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746536 - Assigned to Galen Charlton (gmc) |
14:17 |
gmcharlt |
I've verified that Janet's testing in commit 27 also works for me in the current branch |
14:17 |
gmcharlt |
and I"m no longer seeing the issues reported in comments 23 and 24 |
14:18 |
gmcharlt |
before I merge, was there anything else you're aware of holding up that one? |
14:18 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt: I'm confident that the previous bug fix has addressed the issues I found. Those were the only two issues. |
14:18 |
gmcharlt |
ok, great |
14:18 |
gmcharlt |
merging now |
14:18 |
kmlussier |
gmcharlt++ |
14:24 |
pinesol |
[evergreen|a. bellenir] LP1746536: cannot edit vol/call number in item status - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=317c2fd> |
14:24 |
pinesol |
[evergreen|Cesar Velez] LP#1746536 - enable volcopy editor for multi-bib but only volumes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=c7516dc> |
14:24 |
pinesol |
[evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#1746536: Allow batch-apply to volume fields in multi-record context - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=7674fd6> |
14:24 |
pinesol |
[evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#1746536: Restrict CN addition but allow CN edits... - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6cd17f1> |
14:24 |
pinesol |
[evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1746536: Remove input-group-addon class from Add Call Number button - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f6d7999> |
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14:25 |
berick |
if anyone's feeling adventurous, I've found the patch for bug #1797923 to be helpful in my webstaff testing |
14:25 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1797923 in Evergreen 3.1 "Browser client iframe (catalog, etc.) loading page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1797923 |
14:25 |
berick |
before tomrrow's release cut, i mean |
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14:26 |
Dyrcona |
gmcharlt++ |
14:38 |
JBoyer |
berick, I'll throw some time at that. I won't miss the iframe-ception once it's gone. |
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14:55 |
plux |
jeff: Sorry I had to bail on the title/ config.metabib_field thing on the 19th - I replaced the table with the latest schema from 3.2.0 and on reingest it is working now |
14:56 |
JBoyer |
Has anyone experimented with the pg settings for parallel workers? It's helpful enough for simple queries that it like it's worth the time to start an "is this function parallel-safe?" project |
14:56 |
plux |
jeff: oddly enough though, I also had reset all the mods32 in that table to mods33 and that failed so I had to revert to the default schema which still was using mods 32 |
14:57 |
JBoyer |
(sadly, a ton of work will have to go into that or a larger refactoring to ||-ize search.) |
14:57 |
plux |
that’s working fine but if I upgrade production I’ll hit the bug issue around the 1100 upgrade script |
14:58 |
JBoyer |
plux, you don't have to change the mods version for the existing entries, you just have to make sure that the entries in that script are set to mods33 (usually by changing the default for that field before running that script) |
14:59 |
gmcharlt |
folks - thoughts on backporting bug 1746536 to rel_3_1? |
14:59 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1746536 in Evergreen 3.1 "web client: cannot edit vol/call number in item status" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1746536 |
15:00 |
plux |
JBoyer: thanks….a tad overzealous with my updating |
15:00 |
Dyrcona |
gmcharlt: Does it backport cleanly? |
15:00 |
jeffdavis |
gmcharlt: well obviously I'm in favor :) |
15:01 |
jeffdavis |
(I added a 3.1 target for that bug, was about to ask if there's a better way to say "please backport this") |
15:01 |
Dyrcona |
jeffdavis: That's the best way, followed by a comment. :) |
15:04 |
kmlussier |
+1 to backporting |
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gmcharlt |
Dyrcona: yes, once 1739087 (and account for "volume" vs "call number") |
15:17 |
Dyrcona |
Who is RM for 3.1? I guess it should be their decision, but if it backports without much conflict, then I say go for it. :) |
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dbwells |
gmcharlt: +1 from me to backport for both 1746536 and 1739087 |
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16:22 |
Dyrcona |
So, it looks like the 3.1.5-3.2.0-upgrade-db.sql was not forward ported to rel_3_2. |
16:23 |
gmcharlt |
and backports complete |
16:29 |
Dyrcona |
berick: do you have a problem with me forward porting the 3.1.5 to 3.2.0 upgrade db script? |
16:30 |
berick |
Dyrcona: no problem, and much appreciated |
16:30 |
Dyrcona |
OK. Will do. |
16:31 |
dbwells |
Dyrcona: Not in master either, if you don't mind. |
16:31 |
Dyrcona |
No problem I was going to check master, too, after doing 3_2. |
16:33 |
Dyrcona |
And, done! |
16:34 |
pinesol |
[evergreen|Jason Stephenson] Forward port 3.1.5-3.2.0-upgrade-db.sql. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=09740b3> |
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17:30 |
berick |
dbwells: can you please clarify "loading records from a catalog search does not work for me" re: bug #1797923 |
17:30 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1797923 in Evergreen 3.1 "Browser client iframe (catalog, etc.) loading page" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1797923 |
17:30 |
dbwells |
berick: I mean if I do a catalog search, then click a result, the default tab setting is not honored, I always get the OPAC view. |
17:31 |
berick |
dbwells: ah, and that's an existing bug? |
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17:35 |
dbwells |
berick: I think it is mentioned in the tangle of bugs listed on #1731272, but I might be mistaken. It seems your branch fixes some things on that bug, so maybe it deserves to be separated out to a new bug for clarity anyway. |
17:36 |
berick |
dbwells: ok, just making sure the patch didn't introduce a bug |
17:37 |
dbwells |
berick: No, sorry if I implied that. In my testing your branch made 'default view' go from majorly broken to considerably less broken. |
17:38 |
dbwells |
in my experience |
17:39 |
jihpringle |
default view is fixed in the patches on LP 1724348 and LP 1731272 but neither have made it into a release yet |
17:39 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1724348 in Evergreen 3.1 "Web client: set default view not sticky" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724348 |
17:39 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1731272 in Evergreen 3.1 "web client: "Set default view" breaks record page loading" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1731272 |
17:41 |
berick |
dbwells: ah, thanks :) |
17:43 |
dbwells |
berick: So, in further summary, I think your fix does fix bug #1731272 and is preferable to the fixes offered there. Bug #1724348 was included in the branch for #1731272, but should now probably be considered separately. |
17:43 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1731272 in Evergreen 3.1 "web client: "Set default view" breaks record page loading" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1731272 |
17:43 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1724348 in Evergreen 3.1 "Web client: set default view not sticky" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1724348 |
17:44 |
dbwells |
I'll add some bug comments to that effect. |
17:45 |
berick |
dbwells++ |