IRC log for #evergreen, 2018-10-22

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Time	Nick	Message
06:48	csharp	@later tell Dyrcona see http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen/2018-10-21
06:48	pinesol	csharp: The operation succeeded.
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08:56	Dyrcona	csharp++ # You're in here early. :)
08:57	Dyrcona	miker: I managed to not need the copy status after all, but the fact that the "same" object can look different in different parts of the code is a bit surprising.
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09:49	kmlussier	@coffee [someone]
09:49	* pinesol	brews and pours a cup of El Salvador Pacamara Los Planes, and sends it sliding down the bar to book`
09:49	kmlussier	@tea [someone]
09:49	* pinesol	brews and pours a pot of Honey Black Tea, and sends it sliding down the bar to phasefx (http://ratetea.com/tea/health-and-tea/honey-black-tea/7529/)
09:49	kmlussier	@dessert [someone]
09:49	* pinesol	grabs some Key Lime Cheesecake for csharp
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09:50	* pinesol	brews and pours a cup of Ethiopia Harrar, and sends it sliding down the bar to berick
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11:13	Dyrcona	Does anyone want to discuss git at the hack-away? I'm messing with my local gitlab install and thought of it. I guess we'll have enough other things to do during the two days.
11:29	csharp	Dyrcona: yes, I think that's a discussion where we need to come to a consensus approach
11:42	Bmagic	Anyone else received complaints about the Web client billing screen grid where the "balance owed" column doesn't display the numbers in currency format? I can't find a bug about it
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12:05	bshum	Dyrcona (and everybody): I added the git stuff to the agenda topics. We can pick a good day to talk it through.
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12:13	JBoyer	Bmagic, if that's the same field used for the money_balance field in receipts it's probably set up as a string somewhere. I seem to remember it being formatted differently and thought it was irritating when putting in the sample data.
12:13	Bmagic	hmmm, might be a clue
12:13	JBoyer	Or if not a string, a "plain" number, possibly because its the result of mathing the other two.
12:14	Bmagic	balance owed surely is connected to money.materialized_billable_xact_summary.balance_owed ?
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12:19	JBoyer	Just doing a basic grep balance in staff/circ/patron shows that the \|currency filter is applied most places, but not t_bills_list.tt2.
12:19	JBoyer	That's probably all it neesd.
12:20	JBoyer	That it's used so consistently makes me think it's necessary everywhere we want currency formatting.
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13:37	Dyrcona	JBoyer was it you or jeff who said that you had seen logs that suggested a vendor was using regular expressions to parse SIP messages? Well, I think I've encountered logs from the same vendor.
13:38	JBoyer	Oh, probably both of us, but I do know I've seen it here.
13:38	JBoyer	And I would hope it's a different vendor, if for no other reason than we finally got them to stop.
13:40	JBoyer	(Some fun background for the room; you never know how many potential SIP field tags are in your day-to-day data until something like this happens.)
13:44	Dyrcona	Has anyone had reports that Evergreen is sending duplicate hold information to self checks in the patron information response with the holditems field set?
13:45	Dyrcona	That's what these self check logs are supposed to show me.
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13:55	jeff	We evaluated a vendor that was using regex to parse SIP2.
13:55	jeff	We did not go with them.
13:55	jeff	It was a public workstation management software provider.
14:14	Dyrcona	I obviously don't understand the problem, or it was explained badly to me. The logs do not show duplicate hold items.
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14:21	Dyrcona	Oh. I think I see the problem. The Holds summary is also returning unavailable holds.
14:25	Dyrcona	Vague standard is vague. :)
14:29	Dyrcona	So, I'm going to Lp this once I figure out where the problem is, likely in Evergreen's SIP modules.
14:34	Dyrcona	So, yeah, this could end up being controversial, but I think this vendor expects hold items count to be the number of holds available for pickup.
14:34	Dyrcona	And, I kind of agree, given that there is a separate count for unavailable holds.
14:34	Dyrcona	Of course, the SIP document doesn't say as much about hold items count.
14:39	kmlussier	@dessert get 54
14:39	pinesol	kmlussier: Dessert #54: "candy from krvmga's desk" (added by bshum at 02:42 PM, June 19, 2017)
14:39	kmlussier	@dessert 54
14:39	* pinesol	grabs some candy from krvmga's desk for kmlussier
14:40	* kmlussier	already grabbed the candy from krvmga's desk. Yum!
14:43	Dyrcona	heh
14:47	Dyrcona	@dessert get 54
14:47	pinesol	Dyrcona: Dessert #54: "candy from krvmga's desk" (added by bshum at 02:42 PM, June 19, 2017)
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15:12	Dyrcona	Let the argument begin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1799272
15:12	pinesol	Launchpad bug 1799272 in Evergreen "SIP2 Hold Items Count Includes Unavailable Holds" [Undecided,New]
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16:04	miker	Dyrcona: do we know if any other vendors use /both/ fields?
16:06	Dyrcona	I have no idea, tbh. This is the first time anyone has "complained," and they think it is a new thing since out update, thought it has always been that way.
16:06	Dyrcona	^out^our
16:06	miker	oh no ... now we're seeing /vendor/ upgrade-itis! ;)
16:07	Dyrcona	Here's what I think happened: Patrons see 3 holds ready. Patron goes to pick up 3 items. Patron is disappointed that only 2 are available.
16:07	Dyrcona	Staff "complain" to Bibliotheca. Bibliotheca says it's Evergreen.
16:08	miker	ah, gotcha. makes sense
16:08	Dyrcona	I honestly do think just returning available item is more useful than everything, even suspended holds.
16:08	Dyrcona	Pardon the typos. It's getting late in the day. :)
16:09	miker	I think I agree, esp since this is only a sip2 change
16:19	jeff	Dyrcona: can you confirm which bibliotheca product is in use where you're seeing issues?
16:20	Dyrcona	jeff: No. They just say Bibliotheca self-checks.
16:20	jeff	Dyrcona: And what the visible symptoms are? I'd like to have enough info to test/reproduce.
16:21	Dyrcona	I can share the bug description with your, though I found the language confusing.
16:21	* Dyrcona	slaps his fingers.
16:21	jeff	Sure! I'll take what I can get! Want to post it as a comment on the bug?
16:24	Dyrcona	I think that would be OK.
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16:32	Dyrcona	jeff: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1799272/comments/2
16:32	pinesol	Launchpad bug 1799272 in Evergreen "SIP2 Hold Items Count Includes Unavailable Holds" [Undecided,New]
16:32	jeff	Dyrcona++
16:36	jeff	Dyrcona: do you have access to the self checkout system in question to verify configuration settings, such as the value of SIP circulation provider -> Settings -> HoldItemsIsAvailableItems?
16:36	Dyrcona	I do not.
16:37	Dyrcona	I know next to nothing about how self-checks actually work.
16:38	jeff	Okay. Is there anyone at the reporting library that could be pestered with questions?
16:38	Dyrcona	I will ask tomorrow.
16:42	Dyrcona	Well, folks, I'm heading home. I may sign back in later after most of you have stopped paying attention. :)
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