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ssieb |
I have a really weird problem where dates are completely messed up. e.g. the due date is 30-59-2016. The dates are fine in the database, so it's just a problem with displaying it in the staff client. |
| 00:08 |
ssieb |
So actually, it;'s just the month that's the problem. This is the same problem I have having with selecting dates using the calendar widget, so it's not the widget that's the problem. |
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lualaba |
Hello. I have one record which was deleted, after that i restored from DB, now it is serchable via opac staf-import via tcn, via barcode but not possible to serach via tcn from eg/opac/home |
| 04:26 |
lualaba |
any idea? |
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dbs |
@later tell ssieb are you by any chance using a locale in Evergreen other than en-US? Just trying to work out possible reasons for such date weirdness |
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pinesol_green |
dbs: The operation succeeded. |
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dbs |
@later tell lualaba Does the record have a call number and copy attached, or an 856 with a subfield $9 that gives the catalogue a reason to show it to non-cataloguers? |
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pinesol_green |
dbs: The operation succeeded. |
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mmorgan |
@later tell ssieb Have you set the library setting "Format dates with this pattern" to "dd-mm-yyyy"? If so, try "dd-MM-yyyy". |
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pinesol_green |
mmorgan: The operation succeeded. |
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Troubleshoot |
Is evergreen having issues? Evergreen is very slow to load. |
| 11:16 |
kmlussier |
Troubleshoot: The evergreen-ils web site? |
| 11:17 |
Troubleshoot |
The installed client is slow to load and employees are unable to save records |
| 11:19 |
kmlussier |
Troubleshoot: You will need to contact whoever hosts your Evergreen software with that question. |
| 11:20 |
Bmagic |
Troubleshoot++ |
| 11:23 |
Troubleshoot |
ok thank you. I think its Equinox. |
| 11:25 |
kmlussier |
Troubleshoot: No problem and good luck! |
| 11:25 |
kmlussier |
And Comcast went down again for a few minutes. I appear to be having a bad technology day. |
| 11:27 |
kmlussier |
@hate bad technology days |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: The operation succeeded. kmlussier hates bad technology days. |
| 11:34 |
mmorgan |
bad_technology_days-- |
| 11:37 |
ssieb |
mmorgan: I haven't changed that setting, but now that I know about it, I'll try to find it. I've been wanting to change that! :-) |
| 11:40 |
ssieb |
dbs: I'm using en-US locale. |
| 11:42 |
kmlussier |
ssieb: Which client are you using? Is it the one that runs in the web browser? |
| 11:42 |
ssieb |
no, the regular staff client |
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* ssieb |
needs to go offline for a couple of hours |
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| 12:51 |
graced |
Happy Autumnal Equinox! :-D |
| 12:53 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
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* kmlussier |
grumbles about shorter days and tries to find a den in which to hibernate for a couple of months. |
| 12:59 |
Dyrcona |
The days have been getting shorter since the summer solstice actually. |
| 13:02 |
* mmorgan |
has noticed that. I hate getting up in the dark :-( |
| 13:02 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona: Yes, but they were still reasonably long days. It only bothers me when we start getting under 12 hours of daylight. |
| 13:12 |
berick |
on a positive note, in 3 months they'll start getting longer again. summer's almost here! |
| 13:13 |
rhamby |
at least in the south "Summer is coming" sounds like a bigger threat than "Winter is coming" |
| 13:14 |
berick |
definitely |
| 13:16 |
berick |
90's again on Saturday. eagerly awaiting polar vortices |
| 13:16 |
csharp |
@quote add < rhamby> at least in the south "Summer is coming" sounds like a bigger threat than "Winter is coming" |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: The operation succeeded. Quote #160 added. |
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kmlussier |
Our highs this weekend are supposed to be in the upper 60s. I'm perfectly happy with to keep the polar vortices away. |
| 13:30 |
terran |
It's 87 in South Georgia right now :( |
| 13:33 |
ssieb |
kmlussier: it looks like the librarian tried to change the date format a while back and used mm instead of MM. However, I switched to the proper form, but it's not having any effect. |
| 13:33 |
kmlussier |
terran: But think about how nice the weather will be in Atlanta during ALA MidWinter. That is, if you don't have an ice storm. |
| 13:34 |
kmlussier |
ssieb: I think the date format idea came from mmorgan. The only guess I had was the web client one, which was wrong. I know there are date issues with the web client. I'm not sure what could be going on in the regular client. |
| 13:35 |
terran |
Late January is tricky - it could be ice storms or it could be 70 degrees and sunny - wear layers! |
| 13:36 |
kmlussier |
terran: Unfortunately, I won't be there. |
| 13:36 |
terran |
kmlussier: Are you sure? You might need to escape the bitter cold for a few days :) |
| 13:37 |
ssieb |
well, the question is for anybody. I changed the display date format, but it's not having any effect. It's still displaying using the previous setting. |
| 13:37 |
ssieb |
I deleted the local library setting and then set it at the consortium level. Would that be an issue? |
| 13:38 |
kmlussier |
ssieb: Did you exit out of the client and then log back in after changing the library setting? I know you have to do so for some settings. I don't know if that's one of them. |
| 13:38 |
Dyrcona |
ssieb: If you change settings like that, you have to quit the client and sign back in for the change to take effect. |
| 13:38 |
ssieb |
oh! |
| 13:38 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier: Jinx! |
| 13:38 |
ssieb |
That kind of makes sense actually. |
| 13:39 |
hbrennan |
haha |
| 13:40 |
ssieb |
ok, that did fix it, thank you. I have a couple more issues, but I'll save them for another time. :-) |
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kmlussier |
In my house, when somebody says Jinx, the other person isn't allowed to speak until the first person says their name three times. Does that rule apply here as well? Because I'm not sure I'm capable of keeping quiet during an EOB meeting. |
| 13:41 |
ssieb |
and I suspect that it actually was me that changed that setting. oops |
| 13:41 |
kmlussier |
ssieb: Awesome! Glad it worked out for you. |
| 13:42 |
Dyrcona |
kmlussier: We had a similar but different rule when I was a kid, but whatevs. :) |
| 13:42 |
terran |
kmlussier: We had to buy the other person a Coke. |
| 13:43 |
kmlussier |
Dyrcona / terran: It's some sort of nonsense my kids brought home with them. They probably made it up to drive me crazy. |
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collum |
Our jinx game as kids included hits on the arm. Probably something my brother made up. |
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kmlussier |
collum: Ow. I think I prefer the stay silent until your name is repeated 3 times rule. |
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terran |
collum: Ah, memories of Slug Bug with my brother... |
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| 14:00 |
alynn26 |
Quick question, what version of Evergreen is Webby running? |
| 14:01 |
graced |
EOB meeting in 60 seconds... |
| 14:01 |
miker |
alynn26: master, as of a couple weeks ago just after the sprint 3 merge |
| 14:01 |
alynn26 |
Miker: thanks, that is what I thought. |
| 14:01 |
alynn26 |
miker++ |
| 14:01 |
graced |
#startmeeting Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting, September 22, 2016 |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Sep 22 14:01:54 2016 US/Eastern. The chair is graced. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 14:01 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'evergreen_oversight_board_meeting__september_22__2016' |
| 14:02 |
graced |
#link Agenda https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2016-9-22 |
| 14:02 |
graced |
#link http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=community:using-meetbot |
| 14:02 |
graced |
^^ Meetbot command cheatsheet |
| 14:02 |
graced |
#topic Introductions |
| 14:02 |
graced |
Oversight Board members, please introduce yourself with #info |
| 14:02 |
graced |
#info graced is Grace Dunbar, Equinox |
| 14:02 |
afterl |
#info afterl is Amy Terlaga, Bibliomation |
| 14:02 |
terran |
#info terran is Terran McCanna, Georgia PINES |
| 14:03 |
rgagnon |
#info rgagnon is Ron Gagnon, NOBLE |
| 14:03 |
miker |
#info miker is Mike Rylander, Equinox |
| 14:03 |
collum |
#info collum is Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library |
| 14:04 |
tspindler |
#info tspindler is Tim Spindler, CWMARS |
| 14:04 |
graced |
Quorum achieved. |
| 14:05 |
graced |
Okay, latecomers can introduce themselves as they arrive. |
| 14:05 |
graced |
#topic Approve Minutes/Actions from last meeting |
| 14:05 |
graced |
The minutes have been up for review since our last meeting. |
| 14:05 |
graced |
#link http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-07-21-14.02.html |
| 14:05 |
graced |
Are there any corrections? |
| 14:05 |
tspindler |
none here |
| 14:06 |
sherbertbc |
#info sherbertbc is Sharon Herbert, Sitka/BCLC |
| 14:06 |
graced |
Hearing no requests for corrections... |
| 14:06 |
graced |
#agreed The EOB accepted the minutes from 7/21/2016 |
| 14:06 |
graced |
#topic Old Business and Action items |
| 14:06 |
graced |
#info graced was to send revised Executive Session wording for final review. |
| 14:06 |
graced |
#info See full email and draft wording here: |
| 14:06 |
graced |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-August/001508.html |
| 14:06 |
graced |
Any last minute questions or concerns? |
| 14:07 |
graced |
Shall we vote on adopting the executive session wording? |
| 14:07 |
miker |
please |
| 14:08 |
graced |
#startvote Shall the Board agree to amend the Rules of Governance with the referenced Executive Session wording? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 14:08 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Shall the Board agree to amend the Rules of Governance with the referenced Executive Session wording? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 14:08 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:08 |
graced |
#vote Yes |
| 14:08 |
afterl |
#vote YES |
| 14:08 |
miker |
#vote yes |
| 14:08 |
sherbertbc |
#vote yes |
| 14:08 |
collum |
#vote yes |
| 14:08 |
tspindler |
#vote yes |
| 14:08 |
terran |
#vote Yes |
| 14:08 |
rgagnon |
#vote yes |
| 14:08 |
graced |
#endvote |
| 14:08 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Shall the Board agree to amend the Rules of Governance with the referenced Executive Session wording?" Results are |
| 14:08 |
pinesol_green |
Yes (8): afterl, tspindler, miker, rgagnon, graced, collum, terran, sherbertbc |
| 14:08 |
graced |
#agreed The Rules of Governance shall be amended to include the Executive Session wording. |
| 14:09 |
graced |
Can I have a volunteer to ensure that gets done in the git repo? |
| 14:09 |
graced |
#link http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=contrib/governance.git;a=summary |
| 14:09 |
miker |
happy to do it |
| 14:09 |
graced |
miker++ |
| 14:09 |
* graced |
fully admits she doesn’t get git |
| 14:09 |
terran |
miker++ |
| 14:09 |
graced |
#action miker kindly volunteers to update the ROG git repo |
| 14:09 |
graced |
#info sherbertbc is continuing to investigate OSS grants. |
| 14:10 |
miker |
I'll integrate terran's updates as well |
| 14:10 |
graced |
Since we had a full agenda she requested to table this topic until the next meeting. |
| 14:10 |
terran |
Thanks, Mike |
| 14:10 |
graced |
sherbertbc: anything you want to add? Or help you'd like to solicit? |
| 14:10 |
sherbertbc |
I will follow up via the list re: IMLS or Mellon grants, interested to know if the project has ever applied for these or if others have experience re: our potential eligibility |
| 14:10 |
sherbertbc |
that is all for now |
| 14:11 |
graced |
#action sherbertbc to report on her grant findings via the mailing list prior to the next EOB meeting |
| 14:11 |
graced |
Is there is any further old business? |
| 14:11 |
graced |
Okay, moving on. |
| 14:11 |
tspindler |
was conflict of interest on old business? |
| 14:12 |
graced |
I think that's part of ROGER |
| 14:12 |
graced |
according to the minutes at any rate |
| 14:12 |
graced |
eh? |
| 14:12 |
tspindler |
ok, |
| 14:12 |
graced |
#info Financial Update |
| 14:13 |
graced |
#link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:financials:update_2016_09_21 |
| 14:13 |
graced |
#info The Project is 28,718.15 in the black. |
| 14:13 |
graced |
#info The ledger still does not reflect the $3,930 check from North Carolina from the conference in April. First request to the SFC to correct this was made 7/22. Second request was made 8/25. SFC responded on 8/30 but hasn’t yet updated the ledger. |
| 14:13 |
terran |
Do we know if there are other outstanding checks that haven't been posted to our account yet? |
| 14:14 |
graced |
I don't know of any. |
| 14:14 |
afterl |
graced: shall I follow up? |
| 14:14 |
graced |
please amy! |
| 14:14 |
graced |
#action afterl to follow up with SFC (again) on ledger discrepancy |
| 14:14 |
afterl |
On it ... |
| 14:14 |
graced |
terran: I'll see what detail gmcharlt can get from the ledger. |
| 14:15 |
graced |
assuming we can get that kind of information form the ledger... |
| 14:16 |
graced |
#action: graced to follow up with gmcharlt to get more ledger detail |
| 14:16 |
gmcharlt |
if we know that a check exists, I can tell if it has been recorded in the ledger |
| 14:16 |
miker |
chances are we can't. we don't see what they have in their "reconciliation queue" |
| 14:16 |
graced |
but we'd need to know that the check existed |
| 14:16 |
gmcharlt |
other direction, not so much |
| 14:16 |
graced |
:) |
| 14:16 |
graced |
Who ever thought I'd ever long for QuickBooks? |
| 14:17 |
graced |
gmcharlt++ thank you for continuing to handle the financial reports |
| 14:17 |
terran |
perhaps NCCardinal can give us a list of check numbers? That'd probably be a good thing for next year's hosts to do as well so we can reconcile them. |
| 14:17 |
terran |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:17 |
rgagnon |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:17 |
graced |
terran: I'm not sure what you mean... |
| 14:18 |
graced |
The checks and invoices never go to the local host. |
| 14:18 |
terran |
graced: The checks that the host is sending to the SFC |
| 14:18 |
graced |
Right. The reason NC sent a check to the SFC was for registration of several of their State Library personnel. |
| 14:18 |
graced |
They were just another "attendee invoice" at that point. |
| 14:19 |
graced |
Sorry if that wasn't clear. |
| 14:19 |
terran |
So if everyone else is sending checks directly to the SFC, we really don't have a way to reconcile them. |
| 14:19 |
graced |
So if an orgnaization requested an invoice via EventBrite the SFC would send it and the payment would come to the SFC. |
| 14:19 |
miker |
terran: correct |
| 14:19 |
graced |
And we don't know who paid invoices by check or CC or wire transfer |
| 14:19 |
graced |
Hence our frustration in their delays |
| 14:20 |
graced |
Sorry to everyone - I'm sure that context was not clear. |
| 14:20 |
graced |
I apologize. |
| 14:20 |
terran |
Do we have direct access to EventBrite to be able to pull the lists of invoices and payments? |
| 14:20 |
graced |
I've been soaking in it for too long. |
| 14:20 |
graced |
We can see who requested invoices but the SFC didn't update eventbrite with payment methods |
| 14:21 |
graced |
If they paid via CC on the eventbrite site without requesting an invoice then we can see it. |
| 14:21 |
graced |
But we also don't know who requested refunds and cancellations firectly with the SFC either. |
| 14:21 |
terran |
Hrrm |
| 14:21 |
graced |
There's not a good paper trail back to us. |
| 14:21 |
sherbertbc |
hrrm yes, red flags audit process at SFC for me |
| 14:22 |
graced |
yes. I think there's a lot we need to think about and discuss here. |
| 14:22 |
graced |
I have a placeholder in the agenda at the end for more discussion on this. Shall we push it to the end? |
| 14:22 |
terran |
Sure |
| 14:22 |
afterl |
yes |
| 14:23 |
graced |
okay, let's move on quickly and try to save some time for that then |
| 14:23 |
graced |
#topic Committee Reports |
| 14:23 |
graced |
#topic Conference Committee |
| 14:23 |
graced |
#topic Conference Committee |
| 14:23 |
graced |
#info The conference committee is working with the local hosts to finalize the logo and the sponsorship packet. |
| 14:23 |
graced |
#info The pre-conference survey is out and located here |
| 14:23 |
graced |
#link https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5VXKDTL |
| 14:23 |
graced |
It is also going out via email. |
| 14:23 |
graced |
Things are about to start happening very quickly for the conference planning. |
| 14:24 |
graced |
Any questions for the Conference Committee? |
| 14:24 |
terran |
The survey looks good. |
| 14:24 |
miker |
are there any roadblocks the greater EOB can assist with? |
| 14:24 |
miker |
any need for more hands or eyes? |
| 14:25 |
graced |
Those of you on the standing conference committee are about to get requests for taking on various areas of responsibility. |
| 14:25 |
graced |
Those of you on the standing conference committee are about to get requests for taking on various areas of responsibility. |
| 14:25 |
graced |
whoa - sorry. |
| 14:25 |
terran |
Are you stuck in a time loop? |
| 14:25 |
graced |
Apparently. It's all wibbly wobbly... |
| 14:26 |
miker |
up-arrowwwwwww!!!</kaaaahn> |
| 14:26 |
graced |
#topic Outreach Committee Business |
| 14:26 |
graced |
#info Draft press release for 2.11 release. |
| 14:26 |
graced |
#link http://tinyurl.com/jfrmmyy |
| 14:26 |
graced |
Let kmlussier know if you have feedback. |
| 14:26 |
terran |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:26 |
graced |
kmlussier: do you have anything to add? |
| 14:26 |
tspindler |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:27 |
collum |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:27 |
kmlussier |
No, but if you need more time to review the press release, please let me know so that I don't send it out right before somebody corrects a glaring error. |
| 14:27 |
graced |
:) |
| 14:28 |
graced |
shall I introduce your request for Midwinter meeting space funding? |
| 14:28 |
kmlussier |
Sure |
| 14:28 |
graced |
#info Request to authorize expenditure of $120 for meeting space at ALA MidWinter in Atlanta |
| 14:28 |
graced |
Thoughts? Questions? |
| 14:28 |
miker |
thoughts: +1 |
| 14:28 |
graced |
This would be similar to what we did at ALA annual. |
| 14:28 |
terran |
+1 |
| 14:28 |
afterl |
That was well received |
| 14:28 |
graced |
I thought it was valuable to be visible in the program. |
| 14:28 |
tspindler |
+1 |
| 14:29 |
sherbertbc |
+1 |
| 14:29 |
afterl |
+1 |
| 14:29 |
collum |
+1 |
| 14:29 |
rgagnon |
+1 |
| 14:29 |
graced |
#startvote Shall the Board agree to approve the expenditure of $120 for the Midwinter meeting space for an Evergreen community meet-up? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 14:29 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Shall the Board agree to approve the expenditure of $120 for the Midwinter meeting space for an Evergreen community meet-up? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 14:29 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:29 |
terran |
There probably won't be as many people at Midwinter, but I think it's valuable |
| 14:29 |
afterl |
#vote YES |
| 14:29 |
miker |
#vote yes |
| 14:29 |
graced |
#vote yes |
| 14:29 |
terran |
#vote Yes |
| 14:29 |
collum |
#vote yes |
| 14:29 |
rgagnon |
#vote Yes |
| 14:29 |
sherbertbc |
#vote yes |
| 14:29 |
tspindler |
#vote yes |
| 14:29 |
graced |
#endvote |
| 14:29 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Shall the Board agree to approve the expenditure of $120 for the Midwinter meeting space for an Evergreen community meet-up?" Results are |
| 14:29 |
pinesol_green |
Yes (8): afterl, rgagnon, miker, graced, collum, tspindler, terran, sherbertbc |
| 14:29 |
graced |
#agreed The Board authorizes the expenditure of $120 for meeting space at ALA MidWinter in Atlanta |
| 14:29 |
graced |
thanks kmlussier! Anything else? |
| 14:30 |
kmlussier |
Nope |
| 14:30 |
graced |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:30 |
graced |
#topic Release Manager's Report |
| 14:30 |
miker |
we have a tarball! |
| 14:30 |
miker |
I've just seen word that testing is coming to a close soon, hopefully |
| 14:31 |
miker |
dbwells has been coordinating testing across distros, distro versions, and postgres versions |
| 14:31 |
miker |
tomorrow is a likely announce date, if it doesn't happen today |
| 14:32 |
graced |
miker++ |
| 14:32 |
afterl |
miker++ |
| 14:32 |
graced |
dbwells++ |
| 14:32 |
sherbertbc |
miker++ |
| 14:32 |
afterl |
dbwells++ |
| 14:32 |
collum |
miker++ dbwells++ |
| 14:32 |
miker |
and, to be specific, dbwells cut the tarball on wednesday, on schedule. we're just being extra careful about testing |
| 14:32 |
rgagnon |
miker++ |
| 14:32 |
miker |
no brown bags! |
| 14:32 |
kmlussier |
miker++ dbwells++ |
| 14:32 |
miker |
dbwells++ |
| 14:32 |
tspindler |
miker++ dbwells++ |
| 14:32 |
gmcharlt |
miker++ |
| 14:32 |
gmcharlt |
dbwells++ |
| 14:32 |
terran |
dbwells++ miker++ |
| 14:32 |
miker |
also, |
| 14:32 |
miker |
Bmagic++ |
| 14:32 |
miker |
jeff++ |
| 14:32 |
miker |
they're doing tests as well |
| 14:33 |
afterl |
Bmagic++ jeff++ |
| 14:33 |
kmlussier |
Bmagic++ jeff++ |
| 14:33 |
graced |
Bmagic++ jeff++ because miker said so |
| 14:33 |
terran |
Thank you to everyone who contributed, there was a lot going on this time! |
| 14:33 |
collum |
Bmagic++ jeff++ |
| 14:33 |
miker |
so, that's it, unless there are questions. some numbers (commits, contributors, etc) are i the press release |
| 14:33 |
Bmagic |
jeff++ miker++ dbwells++ |
| 14:33 |
graced |
Really, +1 to the whole dev community - the releases have been on time, stable, and full fo great improvements. |
| 14:34 |
terran |
community++ |
| 14:35 |
graced |
#topic Rules of Governance Review Committee |
| 14:35 |
graced |
tspindler sent an update via email. |
| 14:35 |
graced |
#link http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2016-September/001559.html |
| 14:35 |
graced |
#info Conflict of Interest Policy |
| 14:35 |
graced |
#link http://tinyurl.com/h6vlq5y |
| 14:35 |
graced |
Questions or comments about the Conflict of interest policy? |
| 14:36 |
graced |
shall we move straight to voting then? |
| 14:36 |
terran |
tspindler++ for being an excellent wrangler |
| 14:36 |
miker |
+1 |
| 14:36 |
miker |
and yes, |
| 14:37 |
afterl |
Yes, nice job, tspindler |
| 14:37 |
miker |
tspindler++ |
| 14:37 |
sherbertbc |
tspindler++ |
| 14:37 |
afterl |
I have no conflict with your conflict policy |
| 14:37 |
graced |
tspindler++ |
| 14:37 |
collum |
tspindler++ |
| 14:37 |
rgagnon |
tspindler++ |
| 14:37 |
graced |
afterl++ |
| 14:37 |
miker |
I have one question |
| 14:37 |
graced |
#startvote Shall the Board agree to amend the Rules of Governance with the referenced conflict of interest policy? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 14:37 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Shall the Board agree to amend the Rules of Governance with the referenced conflict of interest policy? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 14:37 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:37 |
graced |
#endvote |
| 14:37 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Shall the Board agree to amend the Rules of Governance with the referenced conflict of interest policy?" Results are |
| 14:38 |
graced |
Sorry... miker? |
| 14:38 |
graced |
you had a question? |
| 14:38 |
miker |
ha ... sorry! should we steal the definition of confidential information from the exec session doc? or should we have a broader definition here that encompasses all info re a conflict? |
| 14:39 |
miker |
I would prefer the latter, personally |
| 14:39 |
tspindler |
i agree |
| 14:39 |
miker |
strike the word "confidential" from the last sentence of "Confidentiality of Conflict Disclosures" |
| 14:40 |
collum |
that works for me |
| 14:41 |
graced |
+1 from me |
| 14:41 |
tspindler |
+1 |
| 14:41 |
rgagnon |
+1 |
| 14:41 |
afterl |
+1 |
| 14:41 |
terran |
+1 |
| 14:41 |
sherbertbc |
+1 |
| 14:41 |
graced |
Okay, let's see if I can get this right... |
| 14:41 |
graced |
#startvote Shall the Board agree to amend the Rules of Governance with the referenced conflict of interest policy (with the further amendment of striking the word "confidential" from the last sentence of "Confidentiality of Conflict Disclosures")? Yes, No, Abstain |
| 14:41 |
pinesol_green |
Begin voting on: Shall the Board agree to amend the Rules of Governance with the referenced conflict of interest policy (with the further amendment of striking the word "confidential" from the last sentence of "Confidentiality of Conflict Disclosures")? Valid vote options are Yes, No, Abstain. |
| 14:42 |
pinesol_green |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:42 |
miker |
#vote yes |
| 14:42 |
collum |
#vote yes |
| 14:42 |
graced |
#vote yes |
| 14:42 |
afterl |
#vote YES |
| 14:42 |
sherbertbc |
#vote yes |
| 14:42 |
terran |
#vote Yes |
| 14:42 |
rgagnon |
#vote yes |
| 14:42 |
tspindler |
#vote yes |
| 14:42 |
graced |
#endvote |
| 14:42 |
pinesol_green |
Voted on "Shall the Board agree to amend the Rules of Governance with the referenced conflict of interest policy (with the further amendment of striking the word "confidential" from the last sentence of "Confidentiality of Conflict Disclosures")?" Results are |
| 14:42 |
pinesol_green |
Yes (8): afterl, rgagnon, miker, graced, collum, tspindler, terran, sherbertbc |
| 14:42 |
miker |
thanks, and sorry for the derailment |
| 14:42 |
afterl |
No, good catch |
| 14:42 |
graced |
#agreed The Rules of Governance shall be amended to include the updated conflict of interest policy. |
| 14:43 |
graced |
moving on then |
| 14:43 |
tspindler |
I assume it needs to be converted to ascii docs and loaded in? |
| 14:43 |
graced |
#info Other By-Law Changes |
| 14:43 |
graced |
#link http://tinyurl.com/jeonfsg |
| 14:43 |
graced |
and yes, tspindler, good point... shall we voluntold miker to load the changes? |
| 14:43 |
miker |
graced: I'll incorporate those changes from terran |
| 14:44 |
tspindler |
I can convert to acii docs but i haven't done much with git |
| 14:44 |
miker |
I think the conflict doc maybe should stand alone? |
| 14:44 |
miker |
since it's a thing that will be signed each year by folks |
| 14:44 |
graced |
It should but it ought to be held in the repo |
| 14:44 |
terran |
Perhaps the RofG doc should be modified to refer to it? |
| 14:45 |
miker |
well, yes, def in git |
| 14:45 |
miker |
I'll put it in the repo |
| 14:45 |
miker |
just not inside the governance.txt file |
| 14:45 |
graced |
As an appendix maybe? |
| 14:45 |
graced |
Thoughts? |
| 14:45 |
tspindler |
i think an appendix makes sense |
| 14:45 |
miker |
terran: if you'll add a ref to your changes, I'll include that, adjusted as needed for file names |
| 14:45 |
terran |
Either an appendix or a separate doc that is referenced in the main doc works for me |
| 14:46 |
miker |
it's git, we can adjust it later. I'll just make it an appendix for now |
| 14:46 |
afterl |
I like appendix |
| 14:46 |
terran |
miker: I'm in a directors meeting all week so I probably can't get to it until Monday |
| 14:47 |
graced |
appendix |
| 14:47 |
miker |
terran: no worries, as an appendix I can just do it |
| 14:47 |
terran |
miker: thx! |
| 14:47 |
* miker |
goes looking for "page break" syntax in asciidoc... |
| 14:47 |
graced |
#action miker to add conflict of interest policy as an appendix in the git repo |
| 14:48 |
graced |
#action miker to add housekeeping changes as proposed by terran |
| 14:49 |
graced |
#info housekeeping changes: http://tinyurl.com/jeonfsg |
| 14:49 |
graced |
Any issues with the above? |
| 14:49 |
terran |
+1 |
| 14:49 |
afterl |
+1 |
| 14:49 |
tspindler |
+1 |
| 14:49 |
collum |
+1 |
| 14:49 |
graced |
Okay... moving on |
| 14:49 |
graced |
#topic mid-year meeting |
| 14:50 |
graced |
#info who is planning to attend the hackaway already? |
| 14:50 |
graced |
don't be shy... |
| 14:50 |
terran |
I'll be there |
| 14:51 |
collum |
I'm going |
| 14:51 |
graced |
By my count it's terran, miker, collum, graced |
| 14:51 |
graced |
did I miss anyone? |
| 14:51 |
graced |
Who could/would attend with travel assistance? |
| 14:51 |
afterl |
Probably me |
| 14:52 |
graced |
rfrasur would be likely, too |
| 14:52 |
tspindler |
I can't make it at all. |
| 14:52 |
sherbertbc |
me neither, sorry |
| 14:52 |
rgagnon |
don't think so, either |
| 14:53 |
graced |
tspindler and sherbertbc and rgagnon: would you be available for a few hours per day via teleconferencing? |
| 14:53 |
tspindler |
I'm afraid not. I don't have any availability that week. |
| 14:54 |
sherbertbc |
depends on time, have some clear spots Nov 2 and 3 |
| 14:54 |
sherbertbc |
but later in day in your TZ |
| 14:54 |
rgagnon |
Yes, though I have some meetings scheduled also |
| 14:54 |
graced |
does anyone think it's a bad idea to try to get together in person between conferences? |
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| 14:55 |
tspindler |
I think its a good idea. Just this year is bad timing for me. One time occurrence |
| 14:55 |
graced |
rfrasur: just in time - would you attend the hackaway if you received travel assistance? |
| 14:55 |
rfrasur |
#info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur, Hagerstown Library, Evergreen Indiana |
| 14:55 |
sherbertbc |
if essential, then need to build into budget.might become either/or with the EG conference |
| 14:55 |
rfrasur |
I'll be attending without travel assistance. |
| 14:56 |
rfrasur |
This year, if it was further away, yes. |
| 14:56 |
graced |
should we go forward with planning to meet at the hackaway then? |
| 14:56 |
graced |
Or shoud I stop pushing it? |
| 14:56 |
graced |
:) |
| 14:56 |
rfrasur |
How many have said that they'd be available? |
| 14:56 |
graced |
We have 5 planning to attend anyway including you |
| 14:56 |
rfrasur |
And my apologies. Another meeting conflicted unexpectedly |
| 14:56 |
terran |
graced: what would your goals for it be? |
| 14:57 |
graced |
terran: SFC discussion is a big one - what are our issues, what solutions are there, what can we do better... etc. |
| 14:57 |
terran |
If this was for a large chunk of time, I'd be concerned about taking people away from the other hackaway projects they are intending to work on. |
| 14:57 |
graced |
And another would be input on structuring out Evergreen conference meeting |
| 14:57 |
graced |
I think a few hours a day would suffice but more time for those serving on the conference subcommittee |
| 14:57 |
rfrasur |
For those who can't attend, is there the possibility for remote participation using hangouts or something? |
| 14:57 |
graced |
I'd like to use that time to hammer out a more thorough manual. |
| 14:58 |
rgagnon |
Yes, definitely |
| 14:58 |
graced |
rfrasue: yes |
| 14:58 |
miker |
graced: I was just going to say ... continuity documents (not just for the conference) |
| 14:58 |
rgagnon |
Actually that was rfrasur: yes definitely |
| 14:58 |
terran |
Well, tspindler is the ROGER committee lead, and he is unable to participate |
| 14:59 |
graced |
I'm not sure that any of this is ROGER specific |
| 14:59 |
rfrasur |
Okay, imo, I think we should go forward with it; make sure we do the heaviest lifting first so that hackaway participants can get to hacking |
| 14:59 |
graced |
Let's toss out some timeline ideas and try to keep our hackers hacking as much as possible. |
| 14:59 |
tspindler |
It sounds more procedural than anything. Documenting procedures that is |
| 14:59 |
graced |
tspindler - exactly |
| 15:00 |
graced |
To be clear I don't think we'll be doing any voting. Just as ruth said, "the heavy lifting" |
| 15:00 |
graced |
Okay, we're going to go a little long. Everyone okay for another 10 minutes? |
| 15:00 |
sherbertbc |
+1 |
| 15:00 |
terran |
+1 |
| 15:01 |
afterl |
+1 |
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| 15:01 |
tspindler |
+1 |
| 15:01 |
miker |
aye |
| 15:01 |
rfrasur__ |
Ugh. |
| 15:01 |
collum |
+1 |
| 15:01 |
rgagnon |
+1 |
| 15:01 |
rfrasur__ |
I have no idea what we're voting on. Please bring me up to speed. |
| 15:01 |
afterl |
Go for another 10 min |
| 15:01 |
graced |
#action graced and rfrasur to work on a timeline for the EOB meetings at the Hackaway. |
| 15:01 |
miker |
rfrasur__: no votes, just +1'ing to 10 more minutes |
| 15:02 |
graced |
#action graced to send email to the EOB re: travel stipends |
| 15:02 |
graced |
#topic gmcharlt volunteered to track down the details on the trademark policy. |
| 15:02 |
rfrasur__ |
lol, got it |
| 15:02 |
gmcharlt |
and I have updates! |
| 15:02 |
rfrasur__ |
excellent :-) |
| 15:02 |
graced |
gmcahrlt: go! |
| 15:02 |
gmcharlt |
I've created a page on the main website with the policy: https://evergreen-ils.org/trademark-policy/ |
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gmcharlt |
This is the policy that was adopted on 11 September 2012 as recorded by Conservacny |
| 15:03 |
gmcharlt |
the web page version differs from the text version as follows: |
| 15:03 |
gmcharlt |
(a) HTML formatting |
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| 15:03 |
gmcharlt |
(b) converting inline URLs to links |
| 15:04 |
gmcharlt |
(c) replacing a reference to the download link with links to the logo in various formats |
| 15:04 |
gmcharlt |
I've also verified that there are no pending changes to the policy |
| 15:04 |
graced |
gmcharlt++ thank you |
| 15:04 |
collum |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:05 |
sherbertbc |
gmcharlt: question |
| 15:05 |
gmcharlt |
as a matter of housekeeping, there is a branch in the governance Git repository called proposed-tm-policy that should be merged to the master branch |
| 15:05 |
gmcharlt |
http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=contrib/governance.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/proposed-tm-policy |
| 15:05 |
gmcharlt |
sherbertbc: sure |
| 15:05 |
terran |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:05 |
graced |
terran: since we now have the logo in the correct place - could GPLS redirect to the community page? |
| 15:05 |
sherbertbc |
at bclc, we were using an earlier version maybe? understood Evergreen TM not (R). So confirming (R) is preferred mark for Evergreen |
| 15:05 |
graced |
#link http://www.georgialibraries.org/lib/pines/evergreenlogo/ |
| 15:06 |
sherbertbc |
...because we just re-did our website and TMd them ;) |
| 15:07 |
graced |
gmcharlt: ^ ? |
| 15:07 |
gmcharlt |
there was a mesasge on point a few years back, lemme see if I can dig it up quickly |
| 15:07 |
terran |
graced: yes - I don't have access to that server, but I'll figure out who does |
| 15:07 |
graced |
excellent, thank you! terran++ |
| 15:08 |
graced |
#action terran to revise the GPLS page to point to the evergreen-ils page |
| 15:08 |
graced |
and thanks to GPLS for continuing to keep that available while we got that ball back on track |
| 15:09 |
graced |
okay, while we wait on gmcharlt's answer on TM versus R |
| 15:09 |
graced |
#topic 9/21 SFC meeting thoughts/recap |
| 15:09 |
graced |
Personally, I’m going to need a little more time to get my thoughts together on this. |
| 15:09 |
graced |
But, I'd like to hear any thoughts/concerns you'd all like to bring up. |
| 15:09 |
rgagnon |
Bookkeeping issues were concerning |
| 15:09 |
gmcharlt |
sherbertbc: http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-general/2012-October/007586.html |
| 15:09 |
graced |
indeed |
| 15:09 |
miker |
I'm still digesting as well |
| 15:10 |
afterl |
My concern: that they led with an explanation as to how easy it is to leave them |
| 15:10 |
rfrasur__ |
afterl: That struck me as well. |
| 15:10 |
miker |
but, yeah, their process for handling the money concerns me as well |
| 15:10 |
afterl |
yes, the money concerns are there, too |
| 15:10 |
rfrasur__ |
It was very kindly mentioned, but seemed very leading as well. |
| 15:10 |
sherbertbc |
thanks gmcharlt guess we were looking at something older |
| 15:11 |
rfrasur__ |
Also, and it's very likely that I missed something or something, but was there a satisfactory answer regarding the staff time on the accounting software despite open source options? |
| 15:11 |
graced |
As we lead up to this mid-year meeting, we should all give some thought to whether our project values have good overlap with theirs. And, of course, what our options are. |
| 15:11 |
terran |
I'm unclear as to what our options would be if we did leave them. |
| 15:12 |
graced |
rfrasur__: the answer on that wasn't satisfactory to me, personally. |
| 15:12 |
rfrasur__ |
terran, it sounded like their suggestion was that a 501c3 form to take over the roles performed by the SFC. |
| 15:12 |
graced |
but there are other options, too - I'll need some time to pull the pros and cons together. |
| 15:13 |
collum |
rfrasur__: I never heard a clear answer either. |
| 15:13 |
rgagnon |
terran: Don't state and regional library associations use firms to manage these kinds of things? Suppose we would need to be 501c3 |
| 15:13 |
miker |
rfrasur__: the answer, as I recall it, was that they would only use OSS software, but that gcash (and other OSS accounting software) couldn't handle their volume or number of accounts, or the like |
| 15:13 |
rfrasur__ |
miker: thank you. And uh....okay |
| 15:14 |
graced |
Okay - we're almost 15 minutes over. |
| 15:14 |
rfrasur__ |
Well, I'm honestly still digesting the whole thing. I was not satisfied at the end of the call, but haven't completely figured out why. |
| 15:15 |
graced |
Let's stick a fork in it and pull our thoughts together and discuss why this has left many of us feeling less than comfortable. |
| 15:15 |
terran |
Perhaps by the time we meet at the hackaway we'll have a better idea of whether or not their communication and accounting transparency are improving now that they have another person. |
| 15:15 |
graced |
We'll take it to the mailing list? |
| 15:15 |
rfrasur__ |
+1 |
| 15:15 |
rgagnon |
+1 |
| 15:15 |
tspindler |
+1 |
| 15:15 |
miker |
+1 |
| 15:15 |
collum |
+1 |
| 15:15 |
afterl |
+1 |
| 15:15 |
graced |
okay - thanks for bearing with me everyone! |
| 15:15 |
sherbertbc |
would be good to know what other options are, explore how to improve accounting - for list +1 |
| 15:15 |
graced |
#endmeeting |
| 15:15 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Sep 22 15:15:45 2016 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-09-22-14.01.html |
| 15:15 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-09-22-14.01.txt |
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pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-09-22-14.01.log.html |
| 15:15 |
graced |
Thanks everybody! |
| 15:15 |
afterl |
Bye! |
| 15:15 |
graced |
have a great day |
| 15:16 |
terran |
Thanks! And don't forget about Bug Squashing Day next week! |
| 15:16 |
tspindler |
au revoir |
| 15:16 |
miker |
graced++ |
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tspindler |
graced++ |
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sherbertbc |
graced++ |
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kmlussier |
comcast-- |
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csharp |
kmlussier: you too? I was just coming in here to do that |
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csharp |
comcast-- |
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kmlussier |
csharp: It's been intermittent all day. I suppose intermittent is better than down for several hours. |
| 16:49 |
csharp |
yeah, I'm seeing drops here in Decatur too - I wonder if it's the same issue |
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* csharp |
is SO close to dumping them for AT&T |
| 16:49 |
csharp |
though there's no love lost with them either |
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* csharp |
prays for Google Fiber |
| 16:53 |
berick |
huh, just noticed google fiber includes (optional) tv service / dvr, etc. |
| 16:55 |
berick |
at, of course, half of what I pay time warner |
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kmlussier |
Doesn't matter to me. Google Fiber is unlikely to come to Seekonk, Massachusetts. :( |
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berick |
there's an apt. complex less than a mile from here that's confirmed to be getting fiber when the construction is done, but they are just across the city line. (we're county). still no clear indication if they will make it my address :( |
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kmlussier |
Isn't a sad state of affairs that most of use are left with just one option for high-speed service? In the Western part of Massachusetts, we have communities that have no high-speed options at all. |
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* ssieb |
just upgraded his connection to 150Mbps cable... |
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kmlussier |
Have a nice night #evergreen! |
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ssieb |
It's not great here, but way better than what I hear in the US :-/ |
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