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csharp |
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csharp |
dbs: search fixed - let me know if you see any other problems |
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JBoyer |
@hate non-UTF-32 encodings |
09:36 |
pinesol_green |
JBoyer: The operation succeeded. JBoyer hates non-UTF-32 encodings. |
09:36 |
JBoyer |
@hate marc |
09:36 |
pinesol_green |
JBoyer: The operation succeeded. JBoyer hates marc. |
09:37 |
csharp |
@whocares marc |
09:37 |
pinesol_green |
mllewellyn loves marc |
09:37 |
pinesol_green |
bshum, jcamins, rfrasur, Dyrcona, tsbere, gsams, collum, csharp and JBoyer hate marc |
09:38 |
csharp |
@decide [loves] or [hates] |
09:38 |
pinesol_green |
That's a tough one... |
09:38 |
csharp |
@loves |
09:38 |
pinesol_green |
csharp loves supybot plugins; virtualization; lasagna; logs; clarity; all y'all; upgrades; tpac; git; this venue; google; not being evil; when evergreen problems turn out to be staff error; the Jedi; pgadmin; policy; lynx; autoupdate; coffee; db02; kvm; CWMARS; mobile catalog; vim; snow; pizza; google forms; chicken soup; cilantro; actual fun; supybot; vimdiff; felafel; and postgresql |
09:38 |
csharp |
@hates |
09:38 |
pinesol_green |
csharp hates dojo_hold_policies_interface; SIP; when libraries purchase third party products without testing and blame Evergreen for it not working; reports; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa; evil; reports more; reports even moar; details; reports even more; the fact that the Base Filters is unnecessarily greyed out (1 more message) |
09:38 |
csharp |
@more |
09:38 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: when applying an Aggregate Filter and vice versa even more; having to teach SIP2 client vendors about the SIP2 specification; troubleshooting reports; money reports; marc; reports even more than before; the EDI ruby bits; acquisitions; <quote>fun<unquote>; edi; sip2; sip too; sip two; acq; acq more; acq way more than before; omg I hate acq; and omg I love acq |
09:42 |
gmcharlt |
csharp: some rebalancing may be in order... ;) |
09:42 |
* csharp |
can feel the hate flowing through him |
09:42 |
* gmcharlt |
takes lightsaber duels off the list of suggested activities for the Evergreen Conference |
09:43 |
bshum |
Aww man... no, come on gmcharlt, that sounds *awesome* |
09:43 |
* csharp |
uses force lightning on reports server |
09:44 |
jeff |
JBoyer: UTF-32? Seriously? :P |
09:44 |
JBoyer |
Go big or go home. Mostly, though, I just want to go home. |
09:45 |
csharp |
@quote add < JBoyer> Go big or go home. Mostly, though, I just want to go home. |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
09:45 |
csharp |
@quote add < JBoyer> Go big or go home. Mostly, though, I just want to go home. |
09:45 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: The operation succeeded. Quote #147 added. |
09:45 |
gmcharlt |
@quote add -*- csharp uses force lightning on reports server |
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pinesol_green |
gmcharlt: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
09:46 |
gmcharlt |
@quote add -*- csharp uses force lightning on reports server |
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pinesol_green |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #148 added. |
09:46 |
jeff |
with UTF-32, I hope you have at least a class II hitch and a decent brake controller -- otherwise I'm not sure you'll make it home with all that weight. |
09:47 |
JBoyer |
I assume MWT meant the rando 8E in this file to be a CE since 8E isn't a valid UTF-8 start character (or binary MARC value, if yaz-marcdump is to be believed) but we can't fix these things by hand. |
09:48 |
jeff |
pass it through SIPServer. it'll either come out fixed on the far end, or you'll need a new datacenter. 50/50 chance. |
09:49 |
JBoyer |
jeff: I suspect the potential cost in storage size would easily be made up for with the increased speed of never having to do silly things like say "Hmm, ok this byte is F3 so I need to grab the next 3 and masticate this mess into a sensible codepoint." |
09:50 |
JBoyer |
It might be obvious that I have little patience for "the way things were." I suppose no progress is made in aimless grumbling, though. |
09:52 |
kmlussier |
csharp: So tell me how you feel about reports. I don't think you've been clear on that point. |
09:57 |
Dyrcona |
Aw, csharp beat me to it. |
09:57 |
* Dyrcona |
catches up on scroll back. |
09:59 |
* Dyrcona |
likes using UTF-16 because half as many holes in your files as UTF-32. |
09:59 |
Dyrcona |
Maybe, if I did a lot of work in Chinese.... |
09:59 |
Dyrcona |
UTF-16BE, of course. ;) |
10:07 |
JBoyer |
16 would probably be an acceptable compromise. However, I'm confident people would find a way to wreck that also. |
10:14 |
Dyrcona |
Well, when I wrote omikuji, I started with UTF-16 for the strings, but switched to UTF-8 because smaller files. :) |
10:14 |
Dyrcona |
Apple uses UTF-16 in their translatable strings files. |
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Bmagic |
@hate marc |
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pinesol_green |
Bmagic: The operation succeeded. Bmagic hates marc. |
10:22 |
jeff |
cute. ransomware via at least three different sources this morning. |
10:24 |
Bmagic |
my favorite viruses are the ones claiming to be the cure |
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csharp |
@quote add < Bmagic> my favorite viruses are the ones claiming to be the cure |
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pinesol_green |
csharp: The operation succeeded. Quote #149 added. |
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Bmagic |
:) |
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dbs |
csharp: bofh++ |
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jeff |
Bmagic: no kidding. i hate when random bacteriophages are claiming to be Robert Smith. |
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* berick |
chuckles |
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berick |
@band add Goth Virus |
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pinesol_green |
berick: The horror... The horror... |
11:01 |
berick |
heh |
11:05 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
11:06 |
dbs |
csharp: damn, internal search error on the IRC search again |
11:07 |
dbs |
mind you, I was searching for http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen/search/?nick=Dyrcona&q=marc so maybe it's a buffer overflow |
11:07 |
Dyrcona |
Heh. |
11:07 |
Dyrcona |
I've not had much luck inducing buffer overflows on x86_64, so it's likely something else. ;) |
11:08 |
csharp |
dbs: I'll take a look - before it was a missing perl dependency that wasn't brought along during the last OS upgrade |
11:09 |
dbs |
(specifically looking for a conversation from the last month or so on approaches to batch loading MARCXML without invoking ingest, etc) |
11:13 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: Thursday the 17th had some discussion. |
11:13 |
gmcharlt |
I will be cutting 2.10.1 later today |
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gmcharlt |
if anybody knows of any showstoppers that they haven't yet written up for LP, please speak up |
11:16 |
dbs |
Dyrcona++ |
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dbs |
gmcharlt++ |
11:16 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: Also the 15th and the 4th, but those look less interesting. |
11:18 |
Dyrcona |
gmcharlt++ vandelay-- :) |
11:20 |
jeff |
overhead in the office: "okay, I'm just going to 'git stash' and pretend that never happened." |
11:20 |
dbs |
Thanks Dyrcona, normally I just grep my own logs but thought I would try the normal search experience instead |
11:20 |
Dyrcona |
yeah, I search the official irc logs more often than my own for things in channel. |
11:21 |
Dyrcona |
I usually only search private chats, looking for that cool thing bshum mentioned last week. ;) |
11:40 |
* dbs |
probably should not be surprised at inserting 75K records with all of the disable/skip flags enabled still taking a long time |
11:41 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, it will take a while. |
11:42 |
jeff |
Is anyone aware of current work taking place to integrate OneClickdigital and Zinio for Libraries into Evergreen? I've been told that a library is working on it with expected completion in June, but I'm not sure what to think of this information, especially since the named library is not a current user of Evergreen. :-) |
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Dyrcona |
I seem to recall that BC was working on OneClickDigital as an extension of the Overdrive integration, but I could be misremembering/making that up. |
11:46 |
kmlussier |
Yes, that's my recollection too. I think it was on the 2.10 roadmap at one point. |
11:47 |
jeff |
well, those letters rhyme with the first two letters of the library i was told. might be! :-) |
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jeff |
okay, "corrected" information is that they were talking about "British Columbia Public Library". I'm going to assume that's BCLC / bclibraries / bc.libraries.coop :-) |
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kmlussier |
jeff: My LP searching failed me earlier, but I seem to be doing better now. bug 1541559 |
12:40 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1541559 in Evergreen "OneClickdigital API integration" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541559 - Assigned to Jeff Davis (jdavis-sitka) |
12:45 |
jeff |
kmlussier++ thanks -- i remember seeing that now. |
12:45 |
Dyrcona |
That reminds me that I wanted to edit a bug this morning. |
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* dbs |
drums fingers as he continues to wait for that INSERT to complete |
12:58 |
jeffdavis |
jeff: yeah, I am working on OneClickdigital integration amid other projects; June would be nice, but we have an upgrade in May so we'll see... |
12:59 |
dbs |
and the fingers stop drumming. Yay! |
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jeff |
jeffdavis: Any truth to the rumor that you're also targeting Zinio for Libraries, their magazine service? |
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jeffdavis |
jeff: Theoretically yes. Work is focused on having a more generic "API integration" module for EG, with OneClickdigital as the first target (sort of like the added content module). |
13:06 |
jeffdavis |
We've been talking about it at Sitka in terms of OneClickdigital specifically but I would expect to extend that for Zinio. |
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* jeff |
nods |
13:08 |
jeff |
It sounds like we have some interest here. I'd be happy to test and/or collaborate. Keep it in mind. I'll keep my eyes on the bug. :-) |
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dbs |
Dyrcona++ # pingest |
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yboston |
FYI, there will be an Evergreen for academics meeting starting at 2 PM EST |
13:53 |
rlefaive |
Thanks yboston… i was just about to ask! |
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yboston |
sorry folks |
14:04 |
yboston |
#startmeeting 2016-03-22 - Evergreen for academics monthly meeting. |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting started Tue Mar 22 14:04:25 2016 US/Eastern. The chair is yboston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
14:04 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
14:04 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to '2016_03_22___evergreen_for_academics_monthly_meeting_' |
14:04 |
yboston |
there is no agenda for this meeting, but I have some suggested topics |
14:04 |
yboston |
#topic Introductions |
14:04 |
yboston |
Please feel free to start introducing yourselves... |
14:05 |
Christineb |
#info Christineb is Christine Burns BC Libraries Cooperative / Sitka |
14:05 |
yboston |
#info yboston is Yamil Suarez @ Berklee College of Music |
14:05 |
ethomsen |
#info ethomsen is Elizabeth Thomsen, NOBLE |
14:05 |
rlefaive |
#info rlefaive is Rosie Le Faive @ UPEI |
14:05 |
mdriscoll |
#info mdriscoll is Martha Driscoll, NOBLE |
14:05 |
horganl |
#info horganl is Laura Horgan from Middlesex Community College |
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14:06 |
yboston |
here is the agenda from the last meeting |
14:06 |
yboston |
#link http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen_for_academics:2016-02-12 |
14:06 |
yboston |
and the meeting log |
14:06 |
yboston |
#link http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-02-12-14.01.log.html |
14:07 |
sandbergja |
#info sandbergja is Jane Sandberg, Linn-Benton Community College |
14:07 |
yboston |
like I said there is no agenda for this meeting, it would have been nice but it did not happen |
14:07 |
yboston |
also, there is no officail topic for this meeting |
14:07 |
yboston |
so I am open to suggestions |
14:08 |
yboston |
any lingering comments or quesitons about reserves? |
14:08 |
yboston |
did we want to talk about a different topic? |
14:09 |
rlefaive |
I’m just reading over the discussion of reserves - it sounds like a cool thing to have integrated with evergreen! Sorry - I missed last meeting and am trying to catch up. :) |
14:10 |
horganl |
Do we know when we might see it happen? |
14:10 |
yboston |
horganl: I beleive this is in the early plannign stages? |
14:10 |
yboston |
horganl: kathy (kmlussier) would know best |
14:11 |
kmlussier |
#info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC |
14:11 |
kmlussier |
horganl: Yes, it is still in the planning stages. DPearl at C/W MARS is working on the database pieces right now. |
14:11 |
kmlussier |
And then we'll look at interfaces. |
14:12 |
kmlussier |
I still have a little work to be done to finalizing the requirements. |
14:12 |
yboston |
kmlussier: is there still an opportunity to give feedback on the project? |
14:12 |
kmlussier |
Yes, I'll put out an email when I finalize those requirements. |
14:12 |
yboston |
kmlussier: in case horganl wanted to add something? |
14:12 |
kmlussier |
horganl knows where to find me. :) |
14:12 |
yboston |
OK |
14:13 |
yboston |
anything else to be added or asked about reserves? |
14:13 |
kmlussier |
But, yes, we will be putting out an email to the entire community. |
14:13 |
horganl |
no just wondering as we have a schedule for reserves summer, fall spring |
14:13 |
kmlussier |
horganl: We don't have a schedule at this point. |
14:13 |
kmlussier |
horganl: I don't think it will be done for the upcoming academic year. |
14:14 |
horganl |
ok good to know |
14:14 |
kmlussier |
Or, I should say, fall. |
14:15 |
yboston |
any other topics we want to cover? Here is the list form the wiki page...http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen_for_academics#areas_of_interest |
14:16 |
horganl |
just wondering if anyone is interested in talking about reports? |
14:16 |
yboston |
reports in general or reports that might have more to deal with academcis? |
14:17 |
yboston |
I am open to either |
14:17 |
rlefaive |
I know very little about them but would be very interested to listen! |
14:17 |
yboston |
since things are slow in this meeting |
14:18 |
horganl |
well I think reports are difficult for the average person in evergreen. Any I hear very little about making it easier... |
14:19 |
yboston |
horganl: that is an excellent question to ask here on IRC |
14:19 |
sandbergja |
I'm curious if there's going to be an easier-to-use report interface in the Web client |
14:19 |
yboston |
horganl: it is not pertaining to EG and academics but we are not in the middle of a discussiom |
14:20 |
yboston |
sandbergja: great question, and I don't know the answer :( |
14:20 |
yboston |
there used to be a reports "group" in the evergreen community |
14:21 |
sandbergja |
horganl: reports bug academic libraries AND public libraries :-) |
14:21 |
yboston |
not sure if they are active anymore |
14:21 |
kmlussier |
sandbergja: I don't think there would be a change to the existing reports interface in the initial web client project. |
14:21 |
sandbergja |
kmlussier: thanks, that's good to know |
14:21 |
kmlussier |
The project is to try to maintain feature parity with the existing client. |
14:21 |
* kmlussier |
isn't sure if the reports interface is one of the web-based ones, like the ones in acq, that will be moved over as is. |
14:22 |
yboston |
in the last 6 months I have compiled like 30 SQL queries I run for usage reports that might make more sense for academic libraries. I culd shre them |
14:22 |
yboston |
*I could share them |
14:22 |
Christineb |
I remember at the last EG conference Pines demo'd a simplified reports interface they created? |
14:22 |
yboston |
I wonder if they could be converted into canned reports |
14:22 |
Christineb |
where canned reports could be shared with staff via a web client? |
14:22 |
horganl |
Do others add ebooks in their catalog and if so do you have a way to get reports |
14:22 |
Christineb |
or web interface |
14:23 |
yboston |
Christineb: yes, I remember too. csharp (Chris Sharp) gave a presentation |
14:23 |
yboston |
horganl: I add ebooks to my catalog, what type of reports do you need? |
14:23 |
yboston |
horganl: though 100% of my reporting is done by me with SQL |
14:24 |
horganl |
When our programs are getting reviewed there does not seem to be a way to get a report of Nursing materials, or Criminal Justice for instance |
14:25 |
kmlussier |
I know there are some problems with generating reports on new ebooks added to the catalog due to bug 1482757 |
14:25 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1482757 in Evergreen "Loading records with located URIs should not delete and recreate call_numbers" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482757 - Assigned to Michele Morgan (mmorgan) |
14:26 |
ethomsen |
horganl:We are looking at ways to get at the bib level classification info in records |
14:27 |
ethomsen |
Assuming that info is in vendor records |
14:27 |
yboston |
horganl: I wonder if that is soemthing that could be addressed, at least in the short term, with a SQL report |
14:28 |
yboston |
horganl: if you write an email to the general list with addiiotional information, perhpas I and other can give you at least some SQL based alternatives |
14:28 |
horganl |
I had been used to doing my reports myself but don't have access to sql |
14:29 |
yboston |
horganl: is there someone that could run it for you, at least once in a while until something better is set up? |
14:29 |
horganl |
I am just a librarian in the field |
14:29 |
mdriscoll |
Is program (nursing, criminal justice) something that can be derived from the marc record, or should there be a code in the 856? |
14:30 |
yboston |
for example, I work for a music school (Berklee). I have been able to create a report of all the bisb that have a series of "Berklee concerts" |
14:31 |
horganl |
Some programs are easier to come by than others... Call numbers work well with some disciplines while others might need a review by subject headings |
14:31 |
yboston |
but isntead of filtering on a serias tag, I could have filtered ona 6xx subject field |
14:32 |
horganl |
does it allow for truncation of subject headings |
14:32 |
yboston |
I have also been able to filter by only musical scores my matching the first couple of letters and some numbers of an LC music call number |
14:32 |
yboston |
for all I know this can be done in the reports user interface, I have just focused my efforts on raw SQL |
14:33 |
ethomsen |
horganl; We have been looking into this for you and the other NOBLE libraries |
14:34 |
yboston |
horganl: are you asking me this: "does it allow for truncation of subject headings" (just want to be clear) |
14:34 |
ethomsen |
And of course the vendors should be able to provide this information about their collections (although we know they often don't |
14:34 |
horganl |
yes sorry |
14:35 |
kmlussier |
yboston: You had made an offer above to share your sql reports. There is a wiki page where these reports could be shared. http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-reports:sql |
14:35 |
kmlussier |
I didn't know if you had seen that page in your travels. |
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14:35 |
yboston |
kmlussier: I don't remmebr seeing it, thanks |
14:36 |
yboston |
#link http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-reports:sql |
14:36 |
yboston |
kmlussier: I am not clear if I am allowed to submit raw SQL reports |
14:36 |
yboston |
kmlussier: I will look into it |
14:38 |
yboston |
any other comments or qeustiosn about reports? |
14:39 |
yboston |
should we thnk of wrappign up early? do I would like to talk a bit about what will be our next meeting? |
14:40 |
kmlussier |
For the next meeting, I think it would be a good idea to pull a few potential topics together and send them out in an informal poll. |
14:40 |
yboston |
kmlussier: I agree |
14:41 |
yboston |
#idea before confirming future meetings consider pulling a few potential topics together and send them out in an informal poll |
14:41 |
yboston |
I am glad that we have spoken about reports, and we can keep talkign about them |
14:42 |
yboston |
also, please feel free to ask questiosn about anything cocnering Evergreen at any time on this IRC channel |
14:42 |
yboston |
of course, there will be more folsk from academic libraries during one of our meetings |
14:44 |
yboston |
Also, I can volunteer to set up the next meetign by sending out an email about it. I will include that a topic needs to be picked beforehand |
14:44 |
yboston |
any other comments or questions? |
14:44 |
Christineb |
yboston Thank you for hosting :) |
14:45 |
yboston |
you are welcome |
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14:45 |
yboston |
when shoudl I shoot for the next meeting on my email? |
14:45 |
yboston |
for april or wait for the conference? |
14:46 |
yboston |
(can't remember if their is a time for us to meet at the ocnfenrece in the schedule?) |
14:46 |
yboston |
#action yboston will send out an email to set up the next |
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yboston |
#action yboston will send out an email to set up the next group meeting; request meeting topic ideas |
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yboston |
anything else? |
14:47 |
yboston |
I am in no hurry, I can stick around |
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yboston |
though others might need to go |
14:49 |
yboston |
OK folks, I will end the meeting early. though feel free to stay here and make other comments or ask questions to anyone lese ont he channel. |
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yboston |
You are always welcome here |
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yboston |
#endmeeting |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 14:49:45 2016 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-03-22-14.04.html |
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pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-03-22-14.04.txt |
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pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2016/evergreen.2016-03-22-14.04.log.html |
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gmcharlt |
kmlussier: worked this up for your benefit in testing, but others may find it useful |
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gmcharlt |
memcdump --servers localhost|grep open-ils.search | xargs -n 1 memcrm --servers localhost |
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gmcharlt |
^^ way to clear all cached catalog search results -- can be useful when testing certain tweaks |
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can also be spelled "memcdump | grep ^open-ils.search | xargs memcrm" if you have the environment variable MEMCACHED_SERVERS set, or just (export MEMCACHED_SERVERS=127.0.0.1; memcdump | grep ^open-ils.search | xargs memcrm) |
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taking advantage of memcrm's ability to accept multiple keys as arguments, you can end up with a lot fewer required exec()s of memcrm |
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not that you're usually caring about performance when you're clearing cached searches... it mostly comes down to whichever form you can remember :-) |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] 2.10.0 - 2.10.1 schema update script - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d5e5f6b> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] release notes for Evergreen 2.10.1 - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2b38160> |
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pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] update upgrade instructions for 2.10.1 - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=eadd945> |
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https://evergreen-ils.org/evergreen-2-10-1-released/ |