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RoganH |
Hangout link: caveat vigil - https://hangouts.google.com/call/veduowhkbtuxw3siics5r3pegia |
| 09:23 |
berick |
grabbing 0946 |
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jeff |
RoganH: is there a problem with the previous hangout? |
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jeff |
I guess the problem with the previous hangout would be that you're not connected, therefore it has become pointless. :-) |
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* jeff |
moves to the new hangout |
| 09:27 |
gmcharlt |
jeff: let go of the old, seize the new! |
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* tsbere |
has no link to the new hangout at this time |
| 09:28 |
yboston |
if anyone is interested here is a free online AngularJS course, it does not require any software instalation https://www.codeschool.com/courses/shaping-up-with-angular-js |
| 09:28 |
jeff |
yboston: oh no. now i have that music stuck in my head. |
| 09:29 |
jeff |
yboston: beats the music that Rogan had placed in my head via twitter earlier today. |
| 09:29 |
bshum |
csharp: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/963759 |
| 09:29 |
jeff |
tsbere: the new hangout link is https://hangouts.google.com/call/veduowhkbtuxw3siics5r3pegia |
| 09:29 |
yboston |
jeff: I forgot all about it :( |
| 09:29 |
jeff |
or, https://goo.gl/72GJ4Z |
| 09:30 |
* jeff |
brought his chromebook today to dedicate to the hangout |
| 09:32 |
jeff |
kmlussier: if you could, could you summarize your comment/question about the search discussion from before gmcharlt sat down? |
| 09:32 |
gmcharlt |
for the remote folks |
| 09:32 |
kmlussier |
I was asking what time the discussion is at. dbwells had asked that we hold off, but we'll start after the DIG meeting. |
| 09:33 |
jeff |
thanks. |
| 09:33 |
kmlussier |
I was concerned about people still having clear thoughts if it started too late. |
| 09:33 |
gmcharlt |
around 10 kenstir will give a brief presentation on the Android app |
| 09:33 |
dbwells |
kmlussier: so what time will it start? |
| 09:33 |
ldw |
yboston: 1513171 |
| 09:33 |
gmcharlt |
after that, bshum and I want to have a discussion of impressment^Wrecruitment of new dev contributors |
| 09:33 |
bshum |
csharp: layout.css.devPixelsPerPx is the exact preference you change the ratio for. |
| 09:33 |
kmlussier |
dbwells: When the DIG meeting wraps up. The DIG meeting is at 2 p.m. |
| 09:33 |
ldw |
lp1513171 |
| 09:33 |
dbwells |
kmlussier: ok, thank you |
| 09:33 |
ldw |
bug 1513171 |
| 09:33 |
gmcharlt |
DIG meeting at 2 p.m., followed by search discussions |
| 09:33 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1513171 in OpenSRF "Websocket start instructions update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513171 |
| 09:34 |
* dbwells |
hopes his meeting is shorter than planned |
| 09:37 |
jeff |
dbwells: what is your expected availability, should your meeting run as long as planned? |
| 09:38 |
dbwells |
jeff: The meeting is 2:00-3:30pm, but it's not a big deal. I'm sure I'll do more listening than speaking anyway. |
| 09:38 |
bshum |
ldw: Looks reasonable, though I think it says at the top of the instructions for websockets to "Complete the following steps as the root Linux account:" |
| 09:39 |
bshum |
Which I meant to mean, do all of the steps as root anyways. |
| 09:39 |
bshum |
But it doesn't hurt to add additional clarifications. |
| 09:46 |
gmcharlt |
jboyer-laptaupe: bug 1464765 |
| 09:46 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1464765 in Evergreen "evergreen.lpad_number_substrings doesn't handle internal substring matches properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464765 - Assigned to Galen Charlton (gmc) |
| 09:47 |
gmcharlt |
the other bug is 1155313 |
| 09:48 |
ldw |
bshum: ah, my change is not necessary then. |
| 09:49 |
gmcharlt |
ldw: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=documentation:technical:jsontutorial - grep for aggregate and having |
| 09:50 |
ldw |
gmcharlt: thank you |
| 09:51 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1501471: Stamping SQL update - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6c21348> |
| 09:51 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1501471: add some unit tests for batch OU retrieval - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d7e5c77> |
| 09:51 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1501471: add DB function for batch retrieval of OU settings - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=be1b6aa> |
| 09:51 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1501471: check OU setting view_perms only when needed - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=81e674e> |
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| 10:00 |
kenstir |
my EG android notes are here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KHHpPK7jEl3haEVOvHPCDmOvy3nkSjve6ymD0Rav2cY/edit?usp=sharing |
| 10:02 |
jeff |
kenstir++ |
| 10:04 |
csharp |
kenstir++ |
| 10:04 |
jeff |
for those remote, is the content of the screen just the google doc? |
| 10:04 |
dbwells |
kenstir++ |
| 10:05 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Adam Bowling] LP#1406387 Fix for Holds Placement Advanced Options - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=01c32c5> |
| 10:05 |
jeff |
the laptop on the projector is not sharing screen to the hangout, so it's not visible remotely. :-) |
| 10:17 |
jeff |
kenstir++ |
| 10:18 |
jlitrell |
kenstir++ |
| 10:18 |
gmcharlt |
kenstir++ |
| 10:19 |
berick |
kenstir++ |
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* berick |
so glad these java libs are getting some use |
| 10:20 |
dbs |
sweet. kenstir++ |
| 10:22 |
* dbwells |
is glad drizea's GSoC work didn't completely fade into history |
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| 10:23 |
kmlussier |
jeff: For the most part, it was just the google doc, but he did show the app itself at one point. |
| 10:23 |
kmlussier |
kenstir++ |
| 10:24 |
jeff |
kmlussier: thanks. :-) |
| 10:27 |
dbs |
At some point I hope to be able to do the gradle-wrangling likely necessary to make it play nice with Android Studio |
| 10:27 |
jeff |
yeah, i was going to blame gradle or inquire if gradle was the hurdle there. |
| 10:27 |
dbs |
that's my assumption, anyway |
| 10:28 |
dbs |
gradle makes the world cry a little bit :) |
| 10:28 |
* tsbere |
wonders if he should implement enough in his attempted auth scripts to detect patron blocks or just stick to "evergreen said their password was good" |
| 10:28 |
jeff |
whoever's asking about kindle fire -- you can get your android apps in the Amazon marketplace app without too much additional work. we did it for ours. |
| 10:33 |
kenstir |
jeff: some other notes - I had lousy experience with Android Studio, it Just Works in IntelliJ. Feel free to make it better. Android Studio is stripped down and may be easier for noobs. Interactively I brought up the emulator and launched the app in the emulator. |
| 10:34 |
kenstir |
jeff: dbs: I don't know what the hurdle was. I actually could build the app using Android Studio, I just couldn't find the source files to edit them. |
| 10:35 |
jeff |
kenstir: yeah, the last time i played with Android Studio it was a similar experience in terms of "wow, this is... simpler, but so unfamiliar that I don't know if things are missing or just somewhere where I can't find them" |
| 10:35 |
jeff |
kenstir: that was in the earlier days, and i was comparing it to eclipse not intellij. |
| 10:36 |
jeff |
nice to see some additional options. phonegap's worked really well for us, but i still think native apps have certain... advantages. |
| 10:38 |
kenstir |
jeff: is there a phonegap evergreen app? |
| 10:38 |
dbwells |
kenstir: :) I was going to add that I used Android Studio back in the day and it built alright, but I guess that wasn't really the issue. Maybe next time around I'll give IntelliJ a whirl instead. |
| 10:39 |
kenstir |
there is no comparison between Eclipse and IntelliJ |
| 10:39 |
kenstir |
eclipse-- |
| 10:39 |
kenstir |
intellij++ |
| 10:41 |
jeff |
kenstir: our library system maintains an app that's built using phonegap. you can get an idea of what it looks like from here: https://www.tadl.org/m/ or https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.TADL.TADLMobile |
| 10:42 |
jeff |
kenstir: app code is here: https://github.com/tadl/egMobile and backend (screen scraping + API) is here: https://github.com/tadl/ilscatcher2 |
| 10:43 |
gmcharlt |
grabbing 0947 IN THE NAME OF MOAR FASTER DATA NORMALIZAION |
| 10:44 |
dbwells |
jeff++ |
| 10:44 |
dbwells |
TADL's so cool :) |
| 10:46 |
jeff |
hah! thanks. our users seem to like what we do, but sometimes it's easy to forget that and just see things that could be done better. |
| 10:46 |
jeff |
(or that aren't done yet) |
| 10:47 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1464765: stamp upgrade script - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=7ca6e99> |
| 10:47 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1464765: (follow-up) remove unneeded bits from schema upgrade - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6828688> |
| 10:47 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Jason Boyer] LP1464765: Speed Up Number Padding for Sort Keys - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=59c773e> |
| 10:47 |
jeff |
gmcharlt++ jboyer-isl++ |
| 10:49 |
kenstir |
jeff: you had me at "screen scraping" |
| 10:49 |
jeff |
kenstir: hah! |
| 10:49 |
kenstir |
jeff: TADL is way cool, especially like the search tools drop-down |
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| 10:50 |
jeff |
kenstir: yeah... the screen scraping parts of the backend are... fragile, as you'd expect. In order to maintain sanity, we essentially froze two versions of our catalog templates at dedicated hostnames so that we have to worry less about breaking them. |
| 10:51 |
berick |
csharp: super simple example srfsh# request open-ils.cstore open-ils.cstore.json_query {"select":{"aou":["id"]},"from":"aou"} |
| 10:51 |
kenstir |
jeff: but the UI is pretty fast and very clean |
| 10:52 |
jeff |
kenstir: i can take almost zero credit for that. we have a good team. :-) |
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| 11:01 |
berick |
http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=contributing |
| 11:01 |
jeff |
@developer |
| 11:01 |
pinesol_green |
jeff: Communication:13, BigPicture:10, DetailOriented:11, KungFu:13, GetsStuffDone:13, FlakeFactor:16, JavaAvoidance:11 |
| 11:02 |
jeff |
ouch. |
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kmlussier |
@developer |
| 11:09 |
pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Communication:14, BigPicture:11, DetailOriented:14, KungFu:15, GetsStuffDone:6, FlakeFactor:13, JavaAvoidance:13 |
| 11:12 |
dbwells |
I like the webinar idea. |
| 11:13 |
jeff |
I hate the webinar word. |
| 11:13 |
* dbwells |
is remembering fondly a Vandelay webinar by berick long, long ago |
| 11:13 |
jeff |
but not the idea at hand. ;-) |
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| 11:14 |
jeff |
It might be useful also to have the contents of said webinar used to seed written resources. |
| 11:17 |
* dbs |
is struck by Dyrcona's note from yesterday about wanting an app for staff--has anyone tested webby with common tablets? |
| 11:19 |
Bmagic |
Is the hackaway on a new hangout today? |
| 11:19 |
jeff |
Bmagic: yes (dunno why): https://goo.gl/72GJ4Z |
| 11:20 |
jeff |
https://goo.gl/72GJ4Z or https://hangouts.google.com/call/veduowhkbtuxw3siics5r3pegia |
| 11:29 |
jeff |
Something that comes to mind when RoganH describes sending an email to one person with a question is... why not send that to the -dev mailing list? |
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| 11:45 |
kmlussier |
Since Bug Squashing Day was mentioned a couple of times, now might be a good time to remind people to fill out the Doodle poll at http://doodle.com/poll/us66uhf35ym9b766 |
| 11:47 |
jeff |
travel_expenses-- |
| 11:48 |
miker |
is there a set time for the search talk? I need to grab some lunch first |
| 11:48 |
jeff |
miker: "after the 2 PM DIG meeting" |
| 11:48 |
jeff |
miker: that's the last thing i've heard. |
| 11:49 |
miker |
perfect, thanks! |
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ldw |
yboston: http://evergreen-ils.org/~bshum/Evergreen-README.html#_optional_extra_steps_for_browser_based_staff_client |
| 12:03 |
jeff |
searching various browsers across three devices and then realizing that the notification sound i heard was probably on someone else's device at the hack-a-way itself. |
| 12:07 |
yboston |
ldw: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/collab/bshum/README-webclient |
| 12:21 |
jeff |
the fun thing about playing with search is you find so many interesting bad records and potential existing bugs. |
| 12:23 |
jeff |
At present, I suspect I'm running into another reminder of "the MODS 3.2 transform in the database is different" |
| 12:25 |
Bmagic |
is there a database function that spills out the electronic bib scopes for a given bib/branch combo ? |
| 12:27 |
Bmagic |
im using asset.call_number WHERE owning_lib IN(SELECT id FROM actor.org_unit_descendants(4,1)) AND label = '##URI##' AND record = 511550 but that doesn't cover the case when there are no $9 and therefore should show up for everyone |
| 12:27 |
tsbere |
Bmagic: If the bib is transcendant then the scope would be "everywhere" (and thus you don't need the $9s) |
| 12:28 |
tsbere |
Beyond that not sure what you are going for |
| 12:28 |
Bmagic |
I want to ask the db if this bib should be viewable at this branch in the case of electronic |
| 12:28 |
jeff |
Bmagic: Is the "no $9 and therefore should show up for everyone" behavior because the bib source is marked as transcendant? Or are you referring to the staff-only behavior of "bibs with no copies show up for everyone"? |
| 12:29 |
Bmagic |
unscoped URL's in the 856's show up for everyone by default (for us) and I assumed that was default |
| 12:30 |
dbs |
Bmagic: the links will be displayed, but you need to have a copy attached or they need to be transcendent to have the record show up in search at all |
| 12:30 |
dbs |
(in the case that there is no $9, that is) |
| 12:30 |
Bmagic |
transcendent is a library setting? |
| 12:30 |
jeff |
Bmagic: a setting on config.bib_source |
| 12:30 |
dbs |
transcendent record source |
| 12:31 |
jeff |
where config.bib_source has an id that can be referenced by biblio.record_entry.source |
| 12:31 |
Bmagic |
the biblio.record_entry. source is null |
| 12:32 |
jeff |
then without a copy or a 856 with $9 (and other relevant criteria), I expect it only shows up "everywhere" for staff searches. |
| 12:33 |
Bmagic |
so lacking the link to config.bib_source I believe it shows up for the public |
| 12:33 |
jeff |
And it is doing that because Evergreen says "bibs with zero holdings show up everywhere for staff". |
| 12:33 |
jeff |
Bmagic: do you have an example record and public catalog url? |
| 12:33 |
Bmagic |
I was just about to find one |
| 12:34 |
jeff |
come up with a suitable search, and compare the results of staff and public search using those terms. |
| 12:37 |
* tsbere |
usually searches for the bib ID/TCN in keyword search for this kind of thing |
| 12:41 |
Bmagic |
hmm, I could have swore this was the case |
| 12:41 |
Bmagic |
so, there isn't a built in function that returns the yay or nay for "this electronic record can be shown in this context" ? |
| 12:45 |
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| 12:46 |
dbs |
Bmagic: that's complicated, but as soon as you bring "context" into the mix, $9s spring to mind |
| 12:50 |
jeff |
Bmagic: the logic that handles that under a normal basis is contained within search.query_parser_fts |
| 12:51 |
jeff |
Bmagic: and there is no utility function that I'm aware of what what you describe. If it were to exist or be created, it should be sure to pay attention to things like the config.global_flag opac.located_uri.act_as_copy |
| 12:52 |
jeff |
Bmagic: depending on your needs, it may be useful for you to read search.query_parser_fts and adapt part of its logic either for your query at hand, or to create a new utility function/view. I'll admit to not having given the options there much detailed thought. :-) |
| 12:54 |
kmlussier |
parts++ |
| 12:54 |
tsbere |
parts-- |
| 12:55 |
dbwells |
parts++ |
| 12:55 |
bshum |
parts-- |
| 12:55 |
jlitrell |
parts+- |
| 12:55 |
berick |
@who hearts parts |
| 12:55 |
pinesol_green |
pastebot hearts parts. |
| 12:55 |
remingtron |
parts++ #bug 937789 |
| 12:55 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 937789 in Evergreen 2.4 "Deleting parts breaks hold interfaces" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937789 |
| 12:56 |
remingtron |
(ready for review) |
| 12:56 |
jeff |
remingtron++ |
| 12:57 |
* jeff |
tries to remember (or find notes on) how he usually compares MODS output |
| 13:05 |
kmlussier |
@weather |
| 13:05 |
pinesol_green |
kmlussier: Seekonk, MA :: Overcast :: 67F/19C | Thursday: Generally cloudy. High around 70F. Winds SW at 10 to 15 mph. Thursday Night: Partly cloudy skies this evening will become overcast overnight. Slight chance of a rain shower. Low 58F. Winds SSW at 5 to 10 mph. |
| 13:05 |
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| 13:09 |
bshum |
@weather |
| 13:09 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: New Milford, CT :: Overcast :: 65F/18C | Thursday: Overcast. High 67F. Winds SSW at 5 to 10 mph. Thursday Night: Cloudy skies. Slight chance of a rain shower. Low 57F. Winds light and variable. |
| 13:09 |
bshum |
@list weather |
| 13:09 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: setuser, setweather, and wunderground |
| 13:09 |
bshum |
@weather setuser forecast false |
| 13:09 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: I have changed bshum's forecast setting to 0 |
| 13:09 |
bshum |
@weather |
| 13:09 |
pinesol_green |
bshum: New Milford, CT :: Overcast :: 65F/18C | Thursday: Overcast. High 67F. Winds SSW at 5 to 10 mph. Thursday Night: Cloudy skies. Slight chance of a rain shower. Low 57F. Winds light and variable. |
| 13:09 |
bshum |
Well, hmm |
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| 13:21 |
jeff |
Hrm. This is interesting. |
| 13:21 |
jeff |
I have two records with various 700 tags. One of the records has zero entries in metabib.author_field_entry, and the other has lots of entries -- I think one for every 700 tag. |
| 13:22 |
jeff |
has 0 rows in metabib.author_field_entry: https://catalog.tadl.org/opac/extras/supercat/retrieve/marcxml/record/48078045 |
| 13:23 |
jeff |
has 20 rows in metabib.author_field_entry: https://catalog.tadl.org/opac/extras/supercat/retrieve/marcxml/record/45012480 |
| 13:23 |
jeff |
I have forced a re-ingest on the one with 0 author field entries, but it resulted in no more author fields, so I aborted the transaction. |
| 13:24 |
jeff |
same for the other -- reingest resulted in 20 rows, so i aborted the transaction. |
| 13:24 |
dbs |
So the ones with subfield $e get no entries? |
| 13:25 |
dbs |
that's interesting. |
| 13:25 |
jeff |
That seems to be the difference. The xpath from config.metabib_field when used in Python lxml does not seem to take issue with those subfields. |
| 13:25 |
dbs |
maybe it's confused by the repeating subfield $e in some of the fields? |
| 13:26 |
dbs |
Like, "WTH is this person?" |
| 13:26 |
dbs |
@marc 700 e |
| 13:26 |
pinesol_green |
dbs: Relator term (Repeatable) |
| 13:26 |
dbs |
@marc 700 3 |
| 13:26 |
pinesol_green |
dbs: Materials specified |
| 13:26 |
jeff |
ah, i hadn't noticed the repeating e subfields. |
| 13:27 |
dbs |
It's repeatable, but doesn't mean that the code (whether XSLT or ours) deals with it :) |
| 13:27 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1164174: add release notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=837e3d9> |
| 13:27 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Mark Cooper] LP#1164174: have authority linker handle author/title series added entries - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=cf736f7> |
| 13:28 |
jeff |
quick sanity check: i'm using the following to transform a given record to mods32 using the in-db copy/fork of the marcxml to mods32 xslt: select evergreen.oils_xslt_process((select marc from biblio.record_entry where id = 45012480), (select xslt from config.xml_transform where name = 'mods32')); |
| 13:28 |
jeff |
Rogan's hangouts mic has been muted (apparently on the client's end) |
| 13:29 |
jeff |
anyway, the MODS output from that looks like this: |
| 13:30 |
jeff |
well, skip that. i'll not paste here. |
| 13:30 |
jeff |
off to a quick meeting. back in a few. |
| 13:35 |
yboston |
LP 1164174 |
| 13:35 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1164174 in Evergreen "Add support for author/title series added entry" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164174 |
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jeff |
okay, that meeting was quick. yay! |
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* miker |
reads up ... Bmagic: no function, and it changes depending on the value of a global flag |
| 13:37 |
miker |
ah, nm, jeff already said that :) |
| 13:37 |
jeff |
heh |
| 13:37 |
jeff |
but you confirmed, so that's good. :-) |
| 13:37 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Josh Stompro] LP#1400801 - Updated email validation regex for Org Unit admin gui - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ec8383e> |
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miker |
jeff: if you're sitll looking into the 700 differences, I believe it's not the existance of the $3 but the value therein |
| 13:40 |
miker |
still, even |
| 13:41 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Josh Stompro] LP#1511828: sort proximities numerically when targeting holds - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2c413ef> |
| 13:42 |
jeff |
dbs: quick checking seems to confirm that the MODS output includes <name> elements for the 700 fields for both records, and the one with $e subfields contain role/roleTerm subelements as I'd expect. |
| 13:42 |
jeff |
miker: $3? |
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* jeff |
looks |
| 13:43 |
jeff |
Ah. I'm guessing both dbs and you meant $e? |
| 13:43 |
miker |
sorry, $e |
| 13:43 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1487527: turn consortium-wide search scope on by default - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=14e32b6> |
| 13:43 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Thomas Berezansky] LP#1487527: Release Notes and disable toggles by default - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=00642ee> |
| 13:43 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Thomas Berezansky] LP#1487527: Add config.tt2 options and a basic search button - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8085a59> |
| 13:44 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Thomas Berezansky] LP#1487527: Search Results checkbox for "Set Depth to Zero" - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d16faad> |
| 13:47 |
jeff |
I'm going to look for more examples, but I am also wondering if the relevant xpath libs handle "//mods32:mods/mods32:name[@type='personal' and not(mods32:role/mods32:roleTerm[text()='creator'])]" in a way othan than the Python lxml library (which so far, is the only thing I've compared it with) |
| 13:47 |
jeff |
hack-a-way hangout is still muted, fwiw. |
| 13:48 |
miker |
fwiw, the relevant xpath lib is libxml (native pg XPATH() function) |
| 13:48 |
* jeff |
attempts to test that theory before finding any more examples |
| 13:49 |
jeff |
(will he regret that decision, folks?) |
| 13:49 |
miker |
jeff: //mods32:mods/mods32:name[@type='personal' and not(mods32:role)] |
| 13:49 |
jeff |
oh hey. |
| 13:50 |
miker |
so, it is the existance, in tadl's case :) |
| 13:51 |
* tsbere |
shakes his fist at the SSL cert issues he is having with his dev machine |
| 13:51 |
jeff |
yup. it's what i get for consulting the in-master SQL instead of the in-db SQL. |
| 13:51 |
jeff |
miker++ |
| 13:52 |
jeff |
(consulting the in-master SQL made sense when I started this -- but when I veered off into "well, how is it today?" land I forgot to double back and recheck my assumptions. :-) |
| 13:53 |
miker |
question for the room: is there value in having more "author"-ish index defs for things like, say, actor, performer, director, etc? or should they just fold into author|other as stock master attempts to do today |
| 13:53 |
miker |
? |
| 13:53 |
miker |
(which, I bet, is a question at least adjacent to jeff's aim) |
| 13:57 |
gmcharlt |
I can certainly imagine collections where that would be handy |
| 13:57 |
yboston |
heads up the DIG monthly meeting will start in in 3 minutes; 2 Pm EST |
| 13:57 |
jeff |
and the xpath change in stock dates all the way back to 2011, with commit ef39a4a5 |
| 13:57 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] lp 823496: don't fail to index personal names that have relators - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ef39a4a> |
| 13:57 |
jeff |
*oof* |
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| 14:00 |
jeff |
no big deal, only affects 32,439 or so bibs. :P |
| 14:00 |
miker |
heh |
| 14:00 |
yboston |
#startmeeting DIG Monthly Meeting Evergreen Documentation Interest Group (DIG) Monthly Meeting. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Nov 5 14:00:41 2015 US/Eastern. The chair is yboston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'dig_monthly_meeting_evergreen_documentation_interest_group__dig__monthly_meeting_' |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
The agenda can be found here http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_meeting_20151105-agenda |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
#topic Introductions |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
Please feel free to start introducing yourselves... |
| 14:01 |
krvmga |
#info krvmga -> Jim Keenan, C/W MARS |
| 14:01 |
yboston |
#info yboston is Yamil Suarez @ Berklee College of Music - DIG meeting facilitator |
| 14:01 |
remingtron |
#info remingtron = Remington Steed, Hekman Library (Calvin College) |
| 14:02 |
yboston |
Kathy is here with me in the hack-a-way, but I don’t think she will be able to join us |
| 14:03 |
yboston |
btw, remingtron thanks for those updates you did yesterday |
| 14:03 |
remingtron |
yboston: you're welcome! |
| 14:03 |
yboston |
I usually wait 3 minutes before starting, wondering how many participatns we will have todat |
| 14:03 |
yboston |
*today |
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kbutler |
#info kbutler is Kate Butler, Rodgers Library (Hudson) |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
hello |
| 14:05 |
krvmga |
kbutler: hi, kate! :) |
| 14:05 |
kbutler |
hi folks |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
we are a small group, so lets go over a couple of things then wrap up. I am holding up the hack-a-way while we meet |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
I was planning on going down the previous meetings todos, to then postpone what has not been done and remove the few that we made progress on |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
any questions/comments so far? |
| 14:06 |
krvmga |
yboston: are there instructions posted somewhere for adding to docs in git? |
| 14:07 |
krvmga |
or is it done exactly the way software is done? |
| 14:07 |
alynn26 |
#info alynn26 is Lynn Floyd, Anderson COunty Library, SCLENDS |
| 14:07 |
yboston |
krvmga: under the section called soemthing like “how to participate” there is soem info |
| 14:07 |
yboston |
hello |
| 14:07 |
krvmga |
thx |
| 14:08 |
remingtron |
krvmga: One difference is that docs encourages use of GitHub for submitting changes |
| 14:08 |
krvmga |
alynn26: hi, lynn |
| 14:08 |
krvmga |
remington: ah, important differene |
| 14:08 |
krvmga |
difference *differene |
| 14:08 |
remingtron |
krvmga: whereas the developers prefer that code doesn't get changed in GitHub |
| 14:09 |
yboston |
here are some intructions onhow to contribute docs: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:how-to-contribute-documentation |
| 14:09 |
krvmga |
gotcha |
| 14:09 |
krvmga |
yboston: thx |
| 14:09 |
remingtron |
#link http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:how-to-contribute-documentation |
| 14:09 |
remingtron |
ha! |
| 14:09 |
remingtron |
yboston beat me to it |
| 14:09 |
yboston |
let me quickly go through the past action items, if that is OK |
| 14:10 |
alynn26 |
ok |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
#info 1) need a volunteer to complete the marc stream importer work and check on the status of the RDA docs |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
still looking for a volunteer, will postpone for next meeting |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
#action need a volunteer to complete the marc stream importer work and check on the status of the RDA docs |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
#info 2) jihpringle will research the state of missign RDA content |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
she is nto here, so I will postpone/defer? |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
#action jihpringle will research the state of missign RDA content |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
#info 3) yboston will check that kbutler recenlty shared work has been pushed to the repo |
| 14:11 |
kmlussier |
#info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC |
| 14:11 |
remingtron |
kmlussier: welcome :) |
| 14:11 |
kmlussier |
yboston: I found a volunteer for the marc stream importer work |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
I did not look into this action item, kbutler do you happen to have anything to add to this? it is OK if you don;t |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
go ahead kmlussier |
| 14:12 |
kbutler |
I do not, because I never checked either. |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
let me postpone it for now, then turn to kmlussier |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
#action yboston will check that kbutler recenlty shared work has been pushed to the repo |
| 14:13 |
kmlussier |
#info Codey Kolasinski of C/W MARS has volunteered to work with kmlussier on the MARC stream importer docs |
| 14:13 |
kmlussier |
yboston: That's all. |
| 14:13 |
alynn26 |
Codey++ |
| 14:13 |
krvmga |
kmlussier: that's cool :) |
| 14:13 |
yboston |
thanks |
| 14:14 |
yboston |
should I make that an action item? |
| 14:14 |
alynn26 |
yea |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
#action Codey Kolasinski of C/W MARS has volunteered to work with kmlussier on the MARC stream importer docs |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
moving on |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
#info 4) yboston will move the undocumented content of the 2.8 new feature “TPAC Discoverability Enhancements” #info ) to its own section in the docs |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
needs to be defered :( |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
#action yboston will move the undocumented content of the 2.8 new feature “TPAC Discoverability Enhancements” #info ) to its own section in the docs |
| 14:16 |
yboston |
I did see that some EG 2,9 features could benefit formt hsi section being created |
| 14:16 |
yboston |
moving on? |
| 14:16 |
yboston |
#info 7) remingtron will remove “backloged” features missing docs from 2.8 docs needs, so they only appear in the 2,9 doc needs |
| 14:17 |
yboston |
I belive this is soemthing you worked on? |
| 14:17 |
remingtron |
done |
| 14:17 |
yboston |
nice |
| 14:17 |
yboston |
remingtron++ |
| 14:17 |
alynn26 |
remington++ |
| 14:17 |
alynn26 |
remingtron++ |
| 14:18 |
remingtron |
for the record, it looks like kbutler's 2.8 "Place another hold" docs haven't made it to master yet |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
thanks for reminding me of what I need to look for. I can try to push it tonight |
| 14:18 |
remingtron |
that's the only thing of hers that I know is waiting |
| 14:18 |
remingtron |
it's on the 2.9 needs page under the 2.8 backlog section |
| 14:19 |
kbutler |
As far as I know, anything else I submitted was definitely added, so it should just be the 2.8 entry. |
| 14:19 |
yboston |
is the content posted on the wiki? |
| 14:19 |
remingtron |
yboston: yes, a link to the gist |
| 14:20 |
yboston |
nice, I see it now |
| 14:21 |
yboston |
thanks |
| 14:21 |
yboston |
moving on? |
| 14:21 |
yboston |
#info 8) kmlussier will document the general wokflow for being DIG release coordinator |
| 14:21 |
yboston |
will defer |
| 14:21 |
kmlussier |
defer |
| 14:21 |
yboston |
#action kmlussier will document the general wokflow for being DIG release coordinator |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
#info 9) jihpringle will send out an email to the list to ask DIG memebers to sign up for pending 2.9 new #info ) featutres |
| 14:22 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Pasi Kallinen] LP#1092018: Make the reports UI use UTF-8. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=320e5d9> |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
will defer |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
#action jihpringle will send out an email to the list to ask DIG memebers to sign up for pending 2.9 new #info ) featutres |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
#info 10) yboston & remingtron will asses which 2.9 new features do not require new documentation |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
remingtron: did you do soem of this too? |
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| 14:23 |
remingtron |
yes, I've done a basic assessment of the unclaimed 2.9 tasks |
| 14:23 |
remingtron |
I marked them as EASY or WAIT, and added basic instructions |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
remingtron++ |
| 14:24 |
alynn26 |
remingtron++ |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
I will move on, because of the hack-a-way |
| 14:24 |
krvmga |
remingtron++ |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
#info 11) yboston will test and sign-off on Launchpad bug 1482336 - allowing release notes with “.adoc” suffix |
| 14:24 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1482336 in Evergreen "create_release_notes.sh include .adoc files" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482336 |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
I beleive this was pushed to master yesterday |
| 14:24 |
remingtron |
yboston++ |
| 14:25 |
alynn26 |
yboston++ |
| 14:25 |
krvmga |
yboston++ |
| 14:25 |
yboston |
actually, it should be bshum++ and gmcharlt++ :) |
| 14:25 |
yboston |
link http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=adb63b4a03e5c48a99642a7d9f205583780a77ff |
| 14:25 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1482336: use *.adoc as extension for extant release notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=adb63b4> |
| 14:25 |
yboston |
#link http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=adb63b4a03e5c48a99642a7d9f205583780a77ff |
| 14:25 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1482336: use *.adoc as extension for extant release notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=adb63b4> |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
Stompro++ |
| 14:26 |
remingtron |
indeed, thanks to both of them |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
moving on |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
#info 12) need volunteers to see why the 2.9 and the master/dev PDF is not being built |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
this should be all set |
| 14:27 |
yboston |
and there is a final action item covering the same issue, so we are done with last meeting’s action items |
| 14:27 |
yboston |
I would like to end early becuase of the hack-a-way |
| 14:27 |
krvmga |
agreed |
| 14:27 |
yboston |
are there some quick questions, |
| 14:27 |
yboston |
…ideas or comments? |
| 14:28 |
remingtron |
I have a thought |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
go agead |
| 14:28 |
Bmagic |
yboston wave at the camera, I can see you typing! |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
*ahead |
| 14:28 |
remingtron |
first, is anyone interested in claiming one of the remaining 2.9 tasks during the hackaway? |
| 14:28 |
krvmga |
can you see me, too? |
| 14:28 |
krvmga |
i waved |
| 14:29 |
Bmagic |
yep! |
| 14:29 |
remingtron |
I'd love to see the 2.9 tasks get finished |
| 14:29 |
dluch |
#info dluch is Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS |
| 14:29 |
yboston |
I can mention it to the crowd after the meeting |
| 14:29 |
yboston |
hello |
| 14:29 |
remingtron |
yboston: thanks |
| 14:29 |
dluch |
Sorry I'm so late, everyone! |
| 14:29 |
krvmga |
dluch: hi, debbie! |
| 14:30 |
remingtron |
dluch: welcome! |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
no problem, sadly we are planning to wrap up early so we can have a face to face meeting on search at the hack-a-way |
| 14:30 |
remingtron |
second, we should choose a DIG priority (or a few) to work on between now and release of the next EG version |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
we all may continue talking in my absence, |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
remingtron++ |
| 14:30 |
krvmga |
brb |
| 14:31 |
yboston |
dluch: we have some features needed docuemntation in EG 2.8 and 2.9 if you have time |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
do we want to start a thread on the list about picking some priorities? |
| 14:32 |
dluch |
Yes, I've been meaning to take a look at what needs done. Will do so asap! |
| 14:32 |
alynn26 |
I should have the last of my Documentation, by next week. Then I am looking at a total revamp of the Patron registration documentation. There is a lot of information missing |
| 14:33 |
yboston |
nice |
| 14:33 |
yboston |
can I get a volunteer to email the list to ask about our prorities until the next release? |
| 14:33 |
alynn26 |
I'll do that |
| 14:33 |
yboston |
gracias |
| 14:33 |
remingtron |
alynn26: that would be very helpful! there are many such gaps in the docs |
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| 14:34 |
dluch |
I'd also like to add some local admin docs i've been working on. Need some adjusting still, but soon. |
| 14:34 |
yboston |
#action alynn26 will write to the DIG list to start discussion on DIG priorities before the next release in MArch |
| 14:34 |
yboston |
OK, folks I will like to wrap up, again because of the hack-a-way |
| 14:34 |
yboston |
last comments or questions? |
| 14:34 |
krvmga |
thanks, everyone! |
| 14:34 |
remingtron |
dluch: feel free to post a link to them on the 2.9 needs page, especially if you get stuck and need help, or when they're ready |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
(of course you can keep talking on the IRC line) |
| 14:35 |
alynn26 |
My ultimate goal is to take the Admin->Local System and make sure there is documentation for all of them. |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
nice |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
alynn26++ |
| 14:35 |
krvmga |
alynn26++ |
| 14:35 |
dluch |
Will do, remingtron |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
OK folks, have a good day. the next meeting is scheduled for December 3rd |
| 14:35 |
yboston |
#endmeeting |
| 14:35 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Nov 5 14:35:50 2015 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:35 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-11-05-14.00.html |
| 14:35 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-11-05-14.00.txt |
| 14:35 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-11-05-14.00.log.html |
| 14:35 |
remingtron |
yboston++ |
| 14:35 |
alynn26 |
yboston++ |
| 14:35 |
krvmga |
yboston++ |
| 14:35 |
Bmagic |
yboston++ |
| 14:36 |
dluch |
Have fun at the hack-a-way! |
| 14:36 |
dluch |
yboston++ |
| 14:36 |
remingtron |
could someone unmute the hackaway computer? |
| 14:36 |
bshum |
yboston++ |
| 14:36 |
Bmagic |
there we go |
| 14:36 |
jeff |
hooray, whoever unmuted! |
| 14:36 |
remingtron |
thanks! I hear sound now! |
| 14:42 |
csharp |
https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/veduowhkbtuxw3siics5r3pegia |
| 14:43 |
csharp |
can you see the screen? |
| 14:45 |
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| 14:48 |
Bmagic |
Galen needs a mic |
| 14:48 |
Bmagic |
maybe if we unmuted one other microphone near the front of the room |
| 14:50 |
phasefx |
room full, didn't realize hangouts had a limit there |
| 14:50 |
Bmagic |
the "Elizabeth" computer is located at the front, unmute it? |
| 14:53 |
Bmagic |
phasefx: debbie left the hangout, there should be one slot open |
| 14:53 |
dluch |
phasefx: I just left, so you should be able to get in- ? |
| 14:53 |
jeff |
bah. berick is cutting out. |
| 14:53 |
jeff |
he was saying that something which was important was... [unable to determine] |
| 14:53 |
* jeff |
listens harder |
| 14:53 |
jeff |
and all that comes from [lost] full text engine |
| 14:53 |
jeff |
alas. |
| 14:54 |
phasefx |
Bmagic: dluch: gracias |
| 14:54 |
remingtron |
jeff: I think berick is talking about [external] full text engines |
| 14:54 |
* jeff |
nods |
| 14:55 |
Bmagic |
solr will introduce issues with opac visibility and scope searching |
| 14:55 |
jeff |
Bmagic: care to expand on that? |
| 14:55 |
jeff |
Bmagic: or were you trying to summarize what berick was saying? |
| 14:56 |
Bmagic |
the perl logic that Evergreen is using to filter the search results may need to be reimplemented for solr |
| 14:56 |
* miker |
listens and waits to jump in |
| 14:56 |
Bmagic |
csharp could leave the hangout, since he is in the room physically |
| 14:58 |
Bmagic |
Mike also? |
| 14:59 |
Bmagic |
And Thomas is there in the room I think |
| 14:59 |
miker |
some starting information: fts is the smallest time-cost in search |
| 14:59 |
yboston |
I ask Chris to leave |
| 14:59 |
yboston |
*asked |
| 15:00 |
Bmagic |
Chris is gone, more room in hangouts now |
| 15:02 |
csharp |
@eightball do I take up too much room? |
| 15:02 |
pinesol_green |
csharp: The outlook is good. |
| 15:02 |
jeff |
miker: do you have other data, such as what takes the most time? :-) |
| 15:02 |
jeff |
(facets, filtering, etc) |
| 15:02 |
miker |
jeff: indeed. stock master has a word order rel bump enabled. that doubles the time by itself |
| 15:03 |
miker |
for, say, "the" keyword search |
| 15:03 |
miker |
facets speed things up, actually -- they're exact match and filter records before vis checking happens |
| 15:04 |
miker |
most time is spent in visibility checking |
| 15:05 |
miker |
preferred language relevance bumping adds ~20%, even after removing the word order bump |
| 15:05 |
jeff |
by "facets", i meant gathering facets... |
| 15:05 |
jeff |
did you mean applying facets as a filter, or? |
| 15:05 |
miker |
jeff: that's an out-of-band process |
| 15:05 |
phasefx |
who's that speaking now? |
| 15:06 |
miker |
applying facets makes it faster |
| 15:06 |
jeff |
phasefx: that's jboyer-laptaupe |
| 15:06 |
phasefx |
jeff: thanks |
| 15:06 |
miker |
that's jboyer-laptaupe, I beli |
| 15:06 |
miker |
:) |
| 15:06 |
phasefx |
:) |
| 15:07 |
jeff |
(back to berick now) |
| 15:07 |
jeff |
miker: facets are gathered out of band, but tpac search results pages require facets be gathered (or timed out?) before returning, right? |
| 15:07 |
miker |
some things to think about when considering external engines: conjoined items, containers (public and private) |
| 15:07 |
jeff |
(i guess i could refresh my memory by looking at the code) |
| 15:08 |
jeff |
hopefully someone in the room is taking good notes. |
| 15:08 |
miker |
jeff: yes, however for all but the most pathological cases, that happens faster than the "give me the 10 bibs" part, which happens in parallel |
| 15:08 |
jeff |
miker: got it. thanks. |
| 15:09 |
miker |
re kathy's question: for fts, lots. for fts with tons of visibility checks, not many |
| 15:09 |
miker |
jeff: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1505286 |
| 15:09 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1505286 in Evergreen "set limit on facets retrieved during search" [Wishlist,New] |
| 15:09 |
miker |
re facet gathering speed |
| 15:09 |
* jeff |
nods |
| 15:10 |
jeff |
i'd been watching that one. :-) |
| 15:10 |
jeff |
actually, that's pullrequested now, isn't it? |
| 15:10 |
* jeff |
looks |
| 15:15 |
Bmagic |
it's hard to deny that those numbers are looking worse for EG systems compared |
| 15:15 |
miker |
Bmagic: where are those numbers? |
| 15:16 |
Bmagic |
https://docs.google.com/a/mobiusconsortium.org/spreadsheets/d/1AQPUvYLpn-liKdUz669lgaVQmekeYFuen3Y8OV5Nhbo/edit?usp=sharing_eid&ts=562e5490 |
| 15:16 |
jeff |
miker: screen shared in hangout by "Elizabeth" participant. link -- Bmagic got it |
| 15:16 |
miker |
Bmagic: thanks! |
| 15:16 |
Bmagic |
sho thang |
| 15:16 |
miker |
jeff: and you! |
| 15:17 |
jeff |
audio got GREAT for a very brief moment |
| 15:17 |
Bmagic |
jeff: it's your hardware |
| 15:18 |
jeff |
Bmagic: yeah? drat. |
| 15:18 |
Bmagic |
It was a joke, adding to the hardware discussion |
| 15:19 |
jeff |
oh, now i get it! :-) |
| 15:20 |
miker |
doh, got kicked out |
| 15:21 |
miker |
back in |
| 15:22 |
jeff |
anyone have kmlussier's example publisher name? |
| 15:22 |
berick |
free spirit (i think) |
| 15:22 |
jeff |
thanks. |
| 15:22 |
krvmga |
jeff: yes, it was free spirit |
| 15:24 |
krvmga |
jeff: that being said, since we added (cwmars) publisher as an indexed (not keyword but indexed as publisher) term, the problem seems to be sorted out somewhat. |
| 15:25 |
krvmga |
jeff: in other words, titles exactly matching free spirit (and titles are weighted more) show up before publisher free spirit (as publisher) |
| 15:25 |
* miker |
wants to add pg_tgrm |
| 15:26 |
miker |
for similarity component to ranking |
| 15:27 |
* csharp |
posts link to pg_tgrm for reference: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/pgtrgm.html |
| 15:27 |
miker |
csharp: thanks :) |
| 15:27 |
miker |
in particular, to replace the old rel bumps |
| 15:27 |
* dbwells |
sits down, reads backscroll |
| 15:27 |
* csharp |
is very surprised to see such disparate search times between PINES and others |
| 15:28 |
jboyer-laptaupe |
csharp, Size is a part of it, but I'm super sad also. (we're not THAT big... :( ) |
| 15:30 |
* csharp |
needs to get around to applying the fix to bug 1438136 to prod |
| 15:30 |
pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1438136 in Evergreen 2.8 "OPAC searching significantly slowed by adding format filters" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438136 |
| 15:31 |
miker |
jboyer-laptaupe: do you have anything in search.relevance_adjustment at all? |
| 15:31 |
jboyer-laptaupe |
miker, nope. |
| 15:32 |
csharp |
we have 0 rows too |
| 15:32 |
miker |
k... sorry :( |
| 15:32 |
jeff |
19 rows here. neat. |
| 15:32 |
jboyer-laptaupe |
I'm still running GIST on Pg 9.1, so I'm hoping to see some decent changes in December (9.3, GIN, etc.) |
| 15:33 |
miker |
jeff: I'd say remove them asap :) |
| 15:33 |
Bmagic |
berick++ #I agree, EG numbers are not even close to the "internet" standards |
| 15:33 |
jeff |
yeah. trying to remember why i thought those in particular were already gone. |
| 15:33 |
miker |
jboyer-laptaupe: oh! dear... yeah, that'll cut your time by a good bit |
| 15:33 |
csharp |
jboyer-laptaupe: I'll work with you to upgrade to 9.3/GIN this evening over dinner :-P |
| 15:34 |
miker |
what was the question? |
| 15:34 |
jboyer-laptaupe |
csharp, I have my new DB servers for the upgrade, just started installing OSes last week, heh. |
| 15:34 |
jeff |
miker: oh -- they're all inactive. |
| 15:34 |
csharp |
jboyer-laptaupe: awesome |
| 15:34 |
miker |
jeff: k :) |
| 15:34 |
jeff |
this returns zero results: SELECT * FROM search.relevance_adjustment WHERE active; |
| 15:35 |
jeff |
miker: in this case, other than "remove them anyway", do you expect my 19 active=false rows to have much impact? |
| 15:35 |
miker |
what rogan is saying, right there. we are effectively searching tweet-sized data |
| 15:36 |
miker |
jeff: no |
| 15:36 |
miker |
you're fine |
| 15:36 |
jeff |
miker: phew. :-) |
| 15:36 |
miker |
but, do remove them :) |
| 15:36 |
* jeff |
nods |
| 15:37 |
jeff |
so that i won't be surprised by them again ;-) |
| 15:37 |
miker |
I'd love to surface browse data in a sidebar, like facets |
| 15:37 |
miker |
(re leading users to related stuff) |
| 15:38 |
miker |
and, sound cuts out right when jboyer-laptaupe is saying something important |
| 15:38 |
* phasefx |
lost audio too |
| 15:38 |
jeff |
and i've lost audio/video. |
| 15:38 |
jeff |
well, other than the shared screen video. |
| 15:38 |
pastebot |
"gmcharlt" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "a question asked in the form of a patch" (13 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/11 |
| 15:38 |
jeff |
audio's back. |
| 15:39 |
miker |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:39 |
* miker |
waves back |
| 15:39 |
bshum |
miker++ |
| 15:40 |
berick |
miker++ |
| 15:40 |
csharp |
miker++ |
| 15:40 |
miker |
indeed! |
| 15:41 |
miker |
let's fund this: http://postgrespro.ru/roadmap/mssearch |
| 15:41 |
bshum |
miker: Those russian guys are the best :) |
| 15:42 |
miker |
bshum: we funded thesaurus support (but don't yet use it) back in my pines days |
| 15:42 |
bshum |
Fancy history :) |
| 15:42 |
miker |
http://postgrespro.ru/blog/pgsql/17773 |
| 15:43 |
ldw |
csharp: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/user/ldw/lp978095_cancel_lineitem_no_copies |
| 15:46 |
miker |
rogan's talking about the effect of the activity metric project, partially |
| 15:48 |
jeff |
uhoh. my name again. |
| 15:48 |
jeff |
(just put my headphones back on) |
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| 15:48 |
ldw |
csharp: Canceled: No Copies |
| 15:49 |
yboston |
it is not the same without jeff here :( |
| 15:49 |
yboston |
miker is missed too |
| 15:50 |
miker |
I wanted to be there, and thought I might be able to come a the last minute ... but then things conspired against me |
| 15:57 |
kmlussier |
miker: Just catching up on the logs. Word order - are you talking about the word order bump that came from search.relevance_adjustment? |
| 15:58 |
miker |
kmlussier: indeed |
| 16:00 |
miker |
.oO( will this be the marshmallow update, or just a 5.1.1 patch? ) |
| 16:00 |
kmlussier |
miker: OK, thanks. None of our sites are using those (I hope). |
| 16:00 |
miker |
kmlussier: or, hope they are and get an instant speed bump! ;) |
| 16:01 |
kmlussier |
miker: heh, that's another way of looking at it. |
| 16:01 |
* kmlussier |
double checks |
| 16:02 |
miker |
always look on the bright side of life</python> |
| 16:02 |
bshum |
miker: !!! one hopes :) |
| 16:04 |
miker |
and, looks like no. nexus 6 still in testing |
| 16:06 |
jeffdavis |
that spreadsheet comparing search times is quite useful, thank you to whoever put that together! |
| 16:07 |
jeffdavis |
(and fwiw I expect many of Sitka's search times to get drastically better tomorrow, once I've applied a fix for 1438136) |
| 16:07 |
bshum |
jeffdavis++ |
| 16:08 |
bshum |
I think kmlussier put together most of the spreadsheet |
| 16:08 |
miker |
bshum: yep, 5.1.1 |
| 16:09 |
bshum |
miker: Lame |
| 16:10 |
jeffdavis |
kmlussier++ |
| 16:11 |
miker |
it's galen-ception! |
| 16:15 |
* csharp |
queues "The Dream is Collapsing" |
| 16:16 |
* berick |
wonders if csharp needs a hug |
| 16:16 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PGCon2013_Unconference_Future_of_Full-Text_Search |
| 16:17 |
kmlussier |
jeffdavis: Let me know when the fix is loaded. I would be happy to update the spreadsheet. |
| 16:17 |
miker |
berick: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z6gG3tKDBlk/maxresdefault.jpg |
| 16:19 |
kmlussier |
We've been playing with http://textanalysisonline.com/nltk-wordnet-lemmatizer to see how the WordNet Lemmatizer handles word variations. We've been happy with the results. |
| 16:19 |
jboyer-laptaupe |
Cool job, Ubuntu. One physical machine claims to be totally up to date on kernel 3.13, a different physical machine claims to be totally up to date on 3.19, both running Trusty. |
| 16:20 |
berick |
miker++ |
| 16:20 |
kmlussier |
For comparison, a similar tool shows how words are stemmed with the Porter stemmer. http://textanalysisonline.com/nltk-porter-stemmer |
| 16:20 |
kmlussier |
We've found that some of the words where we've had difficulty with the Porter stemmer (Pacific / Pacificism) are handled better through the lemmatizer. |
| 16:22 |
gmcharlt |
kmlussier: "are is was" is a good example for showing off the lemmatizer, I note |
| 16:23 |
miker |
gmcharlt: :) |
| 16:23 |
miker |
be be be |
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| 16:24 |
berick |
or not to be be be |
| 16:24 |
dbwells |
:) |
| 16:25 |
jboyer-laptaupe |
My mystery solved: 3.19 machine boots EFI, needs a signed kernel, 3.13 machine runs plain generic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 16:28 |
pinesol_green |
[evergreen|Kate Butler] Docs: add 'Place another hold link' docs - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8ee61cf> |
| 16:33 |
miker |
jboyer-laptaupe: can you put UEFI in BIOS boot mode? |
| 16:34 |
jboyer-laptaupe |
miker, I probably can, but don't have a strong preference, just initially confused. (the EFI machine is MUCH newer and EFI is the future, so unless there are serious DB issues with 3.19 kernels, I wasn't worried about it anymore) |
| 16:35 |
miker |
jboyer-laptaupe: I misread you "solved" comment. you want 3.19 over 3.13 for sure |
| 16:36 |
jboyer-laptaupe |
Yeah, "mystery solved," not "action taken." :) |
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| 16:53 |
jeff |
"in the words of Ernest Hemingway, 'buy a lot of RAM'" |
| 16:54 |
yboston |
does anyone know how to turn on the “activity.log” file on a vanilla EG install? I need it for some analysis of patron searches, thanks in advacne |
| 16:56 |
berick |
yboston: if you enable syslog in opensrf_core.xml and run rsyslog it will start creating it |
| 16:56 |
* berick |
walks over |
| 16:57 |
miker |
berick walks over and the hangout ends... THANKS, BILL |
| 17:00 |
Bmagic |
haha, I went to look too, and it was shutdown, lol |
| 17:17 |
* dbs |
chuckles at PostgreSQL unconference session that ends with "General commitment towards keeping discussion going on PGSQL-hackers list" |
| 17:21 |
gmcharlt |
dbs: define "discussion" ;0 |
| 17:21 |
gmcharlt |
;) |
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| 17:35 |
kitteh_ |
https://puppetlabs.com/presentations/why-everything-just-worst |
| 17:53 |
Bmagic |
see yall tomorrow |
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bshum |
Calling 0948 |
| 18:37 |
jwoodard |
@weather 76227 |
| 18:37 |
pinesol_green |
jwoodard: Aubrey, TX :: Mostly Cloudy :: 78F/26C | Thursday: Partly cloudy. Lows overnight in the low 50s. Thursday Night: Partly cloudy skies. A stray severe thunderstorm is possible. Low 51F. Winds W at 10 to 20 mph. | Updated: 13m ago |
| 18:38 |
jwoodard |
"A stray severe thunderstorm is possible." lol |
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jwoodard |
@librarian |
| 19:11 |
pinesol_green |
jwoodard: Management:12, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:14, Reference:14, Circulation:7, Systems:16, Research:8, Custodial:10 |
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| 23:39 |
jeff |
after two days of having the hack-a-way hangout in my headphones most of the day, i find myself hearing it in my head as i drift to sleep. |
| 23:39 |
jeff |
Tetris Effect. |
