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09:23 RoganH Hangout link:  caveat vigil - https://hangouts.google.com/ca​ll/veduowhkbtuxw3siics5r3pegia
09:23 berick grabbing 0946
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09:26 jeff RoganH: is there a problem with the previous hangout?
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09:26 jeff I guess the problem with the previous hangout would be that you're not connected, therefore it has become pointless. :-)
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09:27 * jeff moves to the new hangout
09:27 gmcharlt jeff: let go of the old, seize the new!
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09:28 * tsbere has no link to the new hangout at this time
09:28 yboston if anyone is interested here is a free online AngularJS course, it does not require any software instalation https://www.codeschool.com/cour​ses/shaping-up-with-angular-js
09:28 jeff yboston: oh no. now i have that music stuck in my head.
09:29 jeff yboston: beats the music that Rogan had placed in my head via twitter earlier today.
09:29 bshum csharp: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/963759
09:29 jeff tsbere: the new hangout link is https://hangouts.google.com/ca​ll/veduowhkbtuxw3siics5r3pegia
09:29 yboston jeff: I forgot all about it :(
09:29 jeff or, https://goo.gl/72GJ4Z
09:30 * jeff brought his chromebook today to dedicate to the hangout
09:32 jeff kmlussier: if you could, could you summarize your comment/question about the search discussion from before gmcharlt sat down?
09:32 gmcharlt for the remote folks
09:32 kmlussier I was asking what time the discussion is at. dbwells had asked that we hold off, but we'll start after the DIG meeting.
09:33 jeff thanks.
09:33 kmlussier I was concerned about people still having clear thoughts if it started too late.
09:33 gmcharlt around 10 kenstir will give a brief presentation on the Android app
09:33 dbwells kmlussier: so what time will it start?
09:33 ldw yboston: 1513171
09:33 gmcharlt after that, bshum and I want to have a discussion of impressment^Wrecruitment of new dev contributors
09:33 bshum csharp: layout.css.devPixelsPerPx is the exact preference you change the ratio for.
09:33 kmlussier dbwells: When the DIG meeting wraps up. The DIG meeting is at 2 p.m.
09:33 ldw lp1513171
09:33 dbwells kmlussier: ok, thank you
09:33 ldw bug 1513171
09:33 gmcharlt DIG meeting at 2 p.m., followed by search discussions
09:33 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1513171 in OpenSRF "Websocket start instructions update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1513171
09:34 * dbwells hopes his meeting is shorter than planned
09:37 jeff dbwells: what is your expected availability, should your meeting run as long as planned?
09:38 dbwells jeff: The meeting is 2:00-3:30pm, but it's not a big deal.  I'm sure I'll do more listening than speaking anyway.
09:38 bshum ldw: Looks reasonable, though I think it says at the top of the instructions for websockets to "Complete the following steps as the root Linux account:"
09:39 bshum Which I meant to mean, do all of the steps as root anyways.
09:39 bshum But it doesn't hurt to add additional clarifications.
09:46 gmcharlt jboyer-laptaupe: bug 1464765
09:46 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1464765 in Evergreen "evergreen.lpad_number_substrings doesn't handle internal substring matches properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1464765 - Assigned to Galen Charlton (gmc)
09:47 gmcharlt the other bug is 1155313
09:48 ldw bshum: ah, my change is not necessary then.
09:49 gmcharlt ldw: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?​id=documentation:technical:jsontutorial - grep for aggregate and having
09:50 ldw gmcharlt: thank you
09:51 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP#1501471: Stamping SQL update - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6c21348>
09:51 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1501471: add some unit tests for batch OU retrieval - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d7e5c77>
09:51 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1501471: add DB function for batch retrieval of OU settings - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=be1b6aa>
09:51 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1501471: check OU setting view_perms only when needed - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=81e674e>
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10:00 kenstir my EG android notes are here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KHHpPK7jEl3h​aEVOvHPCDmOvy3nkSjve6ymD0Rav2cY/edit?usp=sharing
10:02 jeff kenstir++
10:04 csharp kenstir++
10:04 jeff for those remote, is the content of the screen just the google doc?
10:04 dbwells kenstir++
10:05 pinesol_green [evergreen|Adam Bowling] LP#1406387 Fix for Holds Placement Advanced Options - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=01c32c5>
10:05 jeff the laptop on the projector is not sharing screen to the hangout, so it's not visible remotely. :-)
10:17 jeff kenstir++
10:18 jlitrell kenstir++
10:18 gmcharlt kenstir++
10:19 berick kenstir++
10:19 * berick so glad these java libs are getting some use
10:20 dbs sweet. kenstir++
10:22 * dbwells is glad drizea's GSoC work didn't completely fade into history
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10:23 kmlussier jeff: For the most part, it was just the google doc, but he did show the app itself at one point.
10:23 kmlussier kenstir++
10:24 jeff kmlussier: thanks. :-)
10:27 dbs At some point I hope to be able to do the gradle-wrangling likely necessary to make it play nice with Android Studio
10:27 jeff yeah, i was going to blame gradle or inquire if gradle was the hurdle there.
10:27 dbs that's my assumption, anyway
10:28 dbs gradle makes the world cry a little bit :)
10:28 * tsbere wonders if he should implement enough in his attempted auth scripts to detect patron blocks or just stick to "evergreen said their password was good"
10:28 jeff whoever's asking about kindle fire -- you can get your android apps in the Amazon marketplace app without too much additional work. we did it for ours.
10:33 kenstir jeff: some other notes - I had lousy experience with Android Studio, it Just Works in IntelliJ.  Feel free to make it better.  Android Studio is stripped down and may be easier for noobs.  Interactively I brought up the emulator and launched the app in the emulator.
10:34 kenstir jeff: dbs: I don't know what the hurdle was.   I actually could build the app using Android Studio, I just couldn't find the source files to edit them.
10:35 jeff kenstir: yeah, the last time i played with Android Studio it was a similar experience in terms of "wow, this is... simpler, but so unfamiliar that I don't know if things are missing or just somewhere where I can't find them"
10:35 jeff kenstir: that was in the earlier days, and i was comparing it to eclipse not intellij.
10:36 jeff nice to see some additional options. phonegap's worked really well for us, but i still think native apps have certain... advantages.
10:38 kenstir jeff: is there a phonegap evergreen app?
10:38 dbwells kenstir: :)  I was going to add that I used Android Studio back in the day and it built alright, but I guess that wasn't really the issue.  Maybe next time around I'll give IntelliJ a whirl instead.
10:39 kenstir there is no comparison between Eclipse and IntelliJ
10:39 kenstir eclipse--
10:39 kenstir intellij++
10:41 jeff kenstir: our library system maintains an app that's built using phonegap. you can get an idea of what it looks like from here: https://www.tadl.org/m/ or https://play.google.com/store/app​s/details?id=org.TADL.TADLMobile
10:42 jeff kenstir: app code is here: https://github.com/tadl/egMobile and backend (screen scraping + API) is here: https://github.com/tadl/ilscatcher2
10:43 gmcharlt grabbing 0947 IN THE NAME OF MOAR FASTER DATA NORMALIZAION
10:44 dbwells jeff++
10:44 dbwells TADL's so cool :)
10:46 jeff hah! thanks. our users seem to like what we do, but sometimes it's easy to forget that and just see things that could be done better.
10:46 jeff (or that aren't done yet)
10:47 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1464765: stamp upgrade script - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=7ca6e99>
10:47 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1464765: (follow-up) remove unneeded bits from schema upgrade - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6828688>
10:47 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Boyer] LP1464765: Speed Up Number Padding for Sort Keys - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=59c773e>
10:47 jeff gmcharlt++ jboyer-isl++
10:49 kenstir jeff: you had me at "screen scraping"
10:49 jeff kenstir: hah!
10:49 kenstir jeff: TADL is way cool, especially like the search tools drop-down
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10:50 jeff kenstir: yeah... the screen scraping parts of the backend are... fragile, as you'd expect. In order to maintain sanity, we essentially froze two versions of our catalog templates at dedicated hostnames so that we have to worry less about breaking them.
10:51 berick csharp: super simple example srfsh# request open-ils.cstore open-ils.cstore.json_query {"select":{"aou":["id"]},"from":"aou"}
10:51 kenstir jeff: but the UI is pretty fast and very clean
10:52 jeff kenstir: i can take almost zero credit for that. we have a good team. :-)
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11:01 berick http://wiki.evergreen-ils.o​rg/doku.php?id=contributing
11:01 jeff @developer
11:01 pinesol_green jeff: Communication:13, BigPicture:10, DetailOriented:11, KungFu:13, GetsStuffDone:13, FlakeFactor:16, JavaAvoidance:11
11:02 jeff ouch.
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11:09 kmlussier @developer
11:09 pinesol_green kmlussier: Communication:14, BigPicture:11, DetailOriented:14, KungFu:15, GetsStuffDone:6, FlakeFactor:13, JavaAvoidance:13
11:12 dbwells I like the webinar idea.
11:13 jeff I hate the webinar word.
11:13 * dbwells is remembering fondly a Vandelay webinar by berick long, long ago
11:13 jeff but not the idea at hand. ;-)
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11:14 jeff It might be useful also to have the contents of said webinar used to seed written resources.
11:17 * dbs is struck by Dyrcona's note from yesterday about wanting an app for staff--has anyone tested webby with common tablets?
11:19 Bmagic Is the hackaway on a new hangout today?
11:19 jeff Bmagic: yes (dunno why): https://goo.gl/72GJ4Z
11:20 jeff https://goo.gl/72GJ4Z or https://hangouts.google.com/ca​ll/veduowhkbtuxw3siics5r3pegia
11:29 jeff Something that comes to mind when RoganH describes sending an email to one person with a question is... why not send that to the -dev mailing list?
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11:45 kmlussier Since Bug Squashing Day was mentioned a couple of times, now might be a good time to remind people to fill out the Doodle poll at http://doodle.com/poll/us66uhf35ym9b766
11:47 jeff travel_expenses--
11:48 miker is there a set time for the search talk? I need to grab some lunch first
11:48 jeff miker: "after the 2 PM DIG meeting"
11:48 jeff miker: that's the last thing i've heard.
11:49 miker perfect, thanks!
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11:56 ldw yboston: http://evergreen-ils.org/~bshum/Ever​green-README.html#_optional_extra_st​eps_for_browser_based_staff_client
12:03 jeff searching various browsers across three devices and then realizing that the notification sound i heard was probably on someone else's device at the hack-a-way itself.
12:07 yboston ldw: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=work​ing/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/​heads/collab/bshum/README-webclient
12:21 jeff the fun thing about playing with search is you find so many interesting bad records and potential existing bugs.
12:23 jeff At present, I suspect I'm running into another reminder of "the MODS 3.2 transform in the database is different"
12:25 Bmagic is there a database function that spills out the electronic bib scopes for a given bib/branch combo ?
12:27 Bmagic im using  asset.call_number WHERE owning_lib IN(SELECT id FROM actor.org_unit_descendants(4,1)) AND label = '##URI##' AND record = 511550 but that doesn't cover the case when there are no $9 and therefore should show up for everyone
12:27 tsbere Bmagic: If the bib is transcendant then the scope would be "everywhere" (and thus you don't need the $9s)
12:28 tsbere Beyond that not sure what you are going for
12:28 Bmagic I want to ask the db if this bib should be viewable at this branch in the case of electronic
12:28 jeff Bmagic: Is the "no $9 and therefore should show up for everyone" behavior because the bib source is marked as transcendant? Or are you referring to the staff-only behavior of "bibs with no copies show up for everyone"?
12:29 Bmagic unscoped URL's in the 856's show up for everyone by default (for us) and I assumed that was default
12:30 dbs Bmagic: the links will be displayed, but you need to have a copy attached or they need to be transcendent to have the record show up in search at all
12:30 dbs (in the case that there is no $9, that is)
12:30 Bmagic transcendent is a library setting?
12:30 jeff Bmagic: a setting on config.bib_source
12:30 dbs transcendent record source
12:31 jeff where config.bib_source has an id that can be referenced by biblio.record_entry.source
12:31 Bmagic the biblio.record_entry. source is null
12:32 jeff then without a copy or a 856 with $9 (and other relevant criteria), I expect it only shows up "everywhere" for staff searches.
12:33 Bmagic so lacking the link to config.bib_source I believe it shows up for the public
12:33 jeff And it is doing that because Evergreen says "bibs with zero holdings show up everywhere for staff".
12:33 jeff Bmagic: do you have an example record and public catalog url?
12:33 Bmagic I was just about to find one
12:34 jeff come up with a suitable search, and compare the results of staff and public search using those terms.
12:37 * tsbere usually searches for the bib ID/TCN in keyword search for this kind of thing
12:41 Bmagic hmm, I could have swore this was the case
12:41 Bmagic so, there isn't a built in function that returns the yay or nay for "this electronic record can be shown in this context" ?
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12:46 dbs Bmagic: that's complicated, but as soon as you bring "context" into the mix, $9s spring to mind
12:50 jeff Bmagic: the logic that handles that under a normal basis is contained within search.query_parser_fts
12:51 jeff Bmagic: and there is no utility function that I'm aware of what what you describe. If it were to exist or be created, it should be sure to pay attention to things like the config.global_flag opac.located_uri.act_as_copy
12:52 jeff Bmagic: depending on your needs, it may be useful for you to read search.query_parser_fts and adapt part of its logic either for your query at hand, or to create a new utility function/view. I'll admit to not having given the options there much detailed thought. :-)
12:54 kmlussier parts++
12:54 tsbere parts--
12:55 dbwells parts++
12:55 bshum parts--
12:55 jlitrell parts+-
12:55 berick @who hearts parts
12:55 pinesol_green pastebot hearts parts.
12:55 remingtron parts++ #bug 937789
12:55 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 937789 in Evergreen 2.4 "Deleting parts breaks hold interfaces" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/937789
12:56 remingtron (ready for review)
12:56 jeff remingtron++
12:57 * jeff tries to remember (or find notes on) how he usually compares MODS output
13:05 kmlussier @weather
13:05 pinesol_green kmlussier: Seekonk, MA :: Overcast :: 67F/19C | Thursday: Generally cloudy. High around 70F. Winds SW at 10 to 15 mph. Thursday Night: Partly cloudy skies this evening will become overcast overnight. Slight chance of a rain shower. Low 58F. Winds SSW at 5 to 10 mph.
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13:09 bshum @weather
13:09 pinesol_green bshum: New Milford, CT :: Overcast :: 65F/18C | Thursday: Overcast. High 67F. Winds SSW at 5 to 10 mph. Thursday Night: Cloudy skies. Slight chance of a rain shower. Low 57F. Winds light and variable.
13:09 bshum @list weather
13:09 pinesol_green bshum: setuser, setweather, and wunderground
13:09 bshum @weather setuser forecast false
13:09 pinesol_green bshum: I have changed bshum's forecast setting to 0
13:09 bshum @weather
13:09 pinesol_green bshum: New Milford, CT :: Overcast :: 65F/18C | Thursday: Overcast. High 67F. Winds SSW at 5 to 10 mph. Thursday Night: Cloudy skies. Slight chance of a rain shower. Low 57F. Winds light and variable.
13:09 bshum Well, hmm
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13:21 jeff Hrm. This is interesting.
13:21 jeff I have two records with various 700 tags. One of the records has zero entries in metabib.author_field_entry, and the other has lots of entries -- I think one for every 700 tag.
13:22 jeff has 0 rows in metabib.author_field_entry: https://catalog.tadl.org/opac/extras/su​percat/retrieve/marcxml/record/48078045
13:23 jeff has 20 rows in metabib.author_field_entry: https://catalog.tadl.org/opac/extras/su​percat/retrieve/marcxml/record/45012480
13:23 jeff I have forced a re-ingest on the one with 0 author field entries, but it resulted in no more author fields, so I aborted the transaction.
13:24 jeff same for the other -- reingest resulted in 20 rows, so i aborted the transaction.
13:24 dbs So the ones with subfield $e get no entries?
13:25 dbs that's interesting.
13:25 jeff That seems to be the difference. The xpath from config.metabib_field when used in Python lxml does not seem to take issue with those subfields.
13:25 dbs maybe it's confused by the repeating subfield $e in some of the fields?
13:26 dbs Like, "WTH is this person?"
13:26 dbs @marc 700 e
13:26 pinesol_green dbs: Relator term  (Repeatable)
13:26 dbs @marc 700 3
13:26 pinesol_green dbs: Materials specified
13:26 jeff ah, i hadn't noticed the repeating e subfields.
13:27 dbs It's repeatable, but doesn't mean that the code (whether XSLT or ours) deals with it :)
13:27 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1164174: add release notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=837e3d9>
13:27 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mark Cooper] LP#1164174: have authority linker handle author/title series added entries - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=cf736f7>
13:28 jeff quick sanity check: i'm using the following to transform a given record to mods32 using the in-db copy/fork of the marcxml to mods32 xslt: select evergreen.oils_xslt_process((select marc from biblio.record_entry where id = 45012480), (select xslt from config.xml_transform where name = 'mods32'));
13:28 jeff Rogan's hangouts mic has been muted (apparently on the client's end)
13:29 jeff anyway, the MODS output from that looks like this:
13:30 jeff well, skip that. i'll not paste here.
13:30 jeff off to a quick meeting. back in a few.
13:35 yboston LP 1164174
13:35 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1164174 in Evergreen "Add support for author/title series added entry" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1164174
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13:36 jeff okay, that meeting was quick. yay!
13:36 * miker reads up ... Bmagic: no function, and it changes depending on the value of a global flag
13:37 miker ah, nm, jeff already said that :)
13:37 jeff heh
13:37 jeff but you confirmed, so that's good. :-)
13:37 pinesol_green [evergreen|Josh Stompro] LP#1400801 - Updated email validation regex for Org Unit admin gui - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ec8383e>
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13:40 miker jeff: if you're sitll looking into the 700 differences, I believe it's not the existance of the $3 but the value therein
13:40 miker still, even
13:41 pinesol_green [evergreen|Josh Stompro] LP#1511828: sort proximities numerically when targeting holds - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2c413ef>
13:42 jeff dbs: quick checking seems to confirm that the MODS output includes <name> elements for the 700 fields for both records, and the one with $e subfields contain role/roleTerm subelements as I'd expect.
13:42 jeff miker: $3?
13:43 * jeff looks
13:43 jeff Ah. I'm guessing both dbs and you meant $e?
13:43 miker sorry, $e
13:43 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kathy Lussier] LP#1487527: turn consortium-wide search scope on by default - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=14e32b6>
13:43 pinesol_green [evergreen|Thomas Berezansky] LP#1487527: Release Notes and disable toggles by default - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=00642ee>
13:43 pinesol_green [evergreen|Thomas Berezansky] LP#1487527: Add config.tt2 options and a basic search button - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8085a59>
13:44 pinesol_green [evergreen|Thomas Berezansky] LP#1487527: Search Results checkbox for "Set Depth to Zero" - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d16faad>
13:47 jeff I'm going to look for more examples, but I am also wondering if the relevant xpath libs handle "//mods32:mods/mods32:name[@type='personal' and not(mods32:role/mods32:rol​eTerm[text()='creator'])]" in a way othan than the Python lxml library (which so far, is the only thing I've compared it with)
13:47 jeff hack-a-way hangout is still muted, fwiw.
13:48 miker fwiw, the relevant xpath lib is libxml (native pg XPATH() function)
13:48 * jeff attempts to test that theory before finding any more examples
13:49 jeff (will he regret that decision, folks?)
13:49 miker jeff: //mods32:mods/mods32:name[@type='personal' and not(mods32:role)]
13:49 jeff oh hey.
13:50 miker so, it is the existance, in tadl's case :)
13:51 * tsbere shakes his fist at the SSL cert issues he is having with his dev machine
13:51 jeff yup. it's what i get for consulting the in-master SQL instead of the in-db SQL.
13:51 jeff miker++
13:52 jeff (consulting the in-master SQL made sense when I started this -- but when I veered off into "well, how is it today?" land I forgot to double back and recheck my assumptions. :-)
13:53 miker question for the room: is there value in having more "author"-ish index defs for things like, say, actor, performer, director, etc? or should they just fold into author|other as stock master attempts to do today
13:53 miker ?
13:53 miker (which, I bet, is a question at least adjacent to jeff's aim)
13:57 gmcharlt I can certainly imagine collections where that would be handy
13:57 yboston heads up the DIG monthly meeting will start in in 3 minutes; 2 Pm EST
13:57 jeff and the xpath change in stock dates all the way back to 2011, with commit ef39a4a5
13:57 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] lp 823496: don't fail to index personal names that have relators - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ef39a4a>
13:57 jeff *oof*
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14:00 jeff no big deal, only affects 32,439 or so bibs. :P
14:00 miker heh
14:00 yboston #startmeeting DIG Monthly Meeting Evergreen Documentation Interest Group (DIG) Monthly Meeting.
14:00 pinesol_green Meeting started Thu Nov  5 14:00:41 2015 US/Eastern.  The chair is yboston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 pinesol_green Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:00 pinesol_green The meeting name has been set to 'dig_monthly_meeting_evergreen_documentati​on_interest_group__dig__monthly_meeting_'
14:01 yboston The agenda can be found here http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=​evergreen-docs:dig_meeting_20151105-agenda
14:01 yboston #topic Introductions
14:01 yboston Please feel free to start introducing yourselves...
14:01 krvmga #info krvmga -> Jim Keenan, C/W MARS
14:01 yboston #info yboston is Yamil Suarez @ Berklee College of Music - DIG meeting facilitator
14:01 remingtron #info remingtron = Remington Steed, Hekman Library (Calvin College)
14:02 yboston Kathy is here with me in the hack-a-way, but I don’t think she will be able to join us
14:03 yboston btw, remingtron thanks for those updates you did yesterday
14:03 remingtron yboston: you're welcome!
14:03 yboston I usually wait 3 minutes before starting, wondering how many participatns we will have todat
14:03 yboston *today
14:03 mmorgan joined #evergreen
14:04 kbutler #info kbutler is Kate Butler, Rodgers Library (Hudson)
14:04 yboston hello
14:05 krvmga kbutler: hi, kate! :)
14:05 kbutler hi folks
14:05 yboston we are a small group, so lets go over a couple of things then wrap up. I am holding up the hack-a-way while we meet
14:06 yboston I was planning on going down the previous meetings todos, to then postpone what has not been done and remove the few that we made progress on
14:06 yboston any questions/comments so far?
14:06 krvmga yboston: are there instructions posted somewhere for adding to docs in git?
14:07 krvmga or is it done exactly the way software is done?
14:07 alynn26 #info alynn26 is Lynn Floyd, Anderson COunty Library, SCLENDS
14:07 yboston krvmga: under the section called soemthing like “how to participate” there is soem info
14:07 yboston hello
14:07 krvmga thx
14:08 remingtron krvmga: One difference is that docs encourages use of GitHub for submitting changes
14:08 krvmga alynn26: hi, lynn
14:08 krvmga remington: ah, important differene
14:08 krvmga difference *differene
14:08 remingtron krvmga: whereas the developers prefer that code doesn't get changed in GitHub
14:09 yboston here are some intructions onhow to contribute docs: http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=ev​ergreen-docs:how-to-contribute-documentation
14:09 krvmga gotcha
14:09 krvmga yboston: thx
14:09 remingtron #link http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=ev​ergreen-docs:how-to-contribute-documentation
14:09 remingtron ha!
14:09 remingtron yboston beat me to it
14:09 yboston let me quickly go through the past action items, if that is OK
14:10 alynn26 ok
14:10 yboston #info 1) need a volunteer to complete the marc stream importer work and check on the status of the RDA docs
14:10 yboston still looking for a volunteer, will postpone for next meeting
14:10 yboston #action need a volunteer to complete the marc stream importer work and check on the status of the RDA docs
14:10 yboston #info 2) jihpringle will research the state of missign RDA content
14:10 yboston she is nto here, so I will postpone/defer?
14:11 yboston #action jihpringle will research the state of missign RDA content
14:11 yboston #info 3) yboston will check that kbutler recenlty shared work has been pushed to the repo
14:11 kmlussier #info kmlussier is Kathy Lussier, MassLNC
14:11 remingtron kmlussier: welcome :)
14:11 kmlussier yboston: I found a volunteer for the marc stream importer work
14:11 yboston I did not look into this action item, kbutler do you happen to have anything to add to this? it is OK if you don;t
14:12 yboston go ahead kmlussier
14:12 kbutler I do not, because I never checked either.
14:12 yboston let me postpone it for now, then turn to kmlussier
14:12 yboston #action yboston will check that kbutler recenlty shared work has been pushed to the repo
14:13 kmlussier #info Codey Kolasinski of C/W MARS has volunteered to work with kmlussier on the MARC stream importer docs
14:13 kmlussier yboston: That's all.
14:13 alynn26 Codey++
14:13 krvmga kmlussier: that's cool :)
14:13 yboston thanks
14:14 yboston should I make that an action item?
14:14 alynn26 yea
14:15 yboston #action  Codey Kolasinski of C/W MARS has volunteered to work with kmlussier on the MARC stream importer docs
14:15 yboston moving on
14:15 yboston #info 4) yboston will move the undocumented content of the 2.8 new feature “TPAC Discoverability Enhancements” #info ) to its own section in the docs
14:15 yboston needs to be defered :(
14:15 yboston #action yboston will move the undocumented content of the 2.8 new feature “TPAC Discoverability Enhancements” #info ) to its own section in the docs
14:16 yboston I did see that some EG 2,9 features could benefit formt hsi section being created
14:16 yboston moving on?
14:16 yboston #info 7) remingtron will remove “backloged” features missing docs from 2.8 docs needs, so they only appear in the 2,9 doc needs
14:17 yboston I belive this is soemthing you worked on?
14:17 remingtron done
14:17 yboston nice
14:17 yboston remingtron++
14:17 alynn26 remington++
14:17 alynn26 remingtron++
14:18 remingtron for the record, it looks like kbutler's 2.8 "Place another hold" docs haven't made it to master yet
14:18 yboston thanks for reminding me of what I need to look for. I can try to push it tonight
14:18 remingtron that's the only thing of hers that I know is waiting
14:18 remingtron it's on the 2.9 needs page under the 2.8 backlog section
14:19 kbutler As far as I know, anything else I submitted was definitely added, so it should just be the 2.8 entry.
14:19 yboston is the content posted on the wiki?
14:19 remingtron yboston: yes, a link to the gist
14:20 yboston nice, I see it now
14:21 yboston thanks
14:21 yboston moving on?
14:21 yboston #info 8) kmlussier will document the general wokflow for being DIG release coordinator
14:21 yboston will defer
14:21 kmlussier defer
14:21 yboston #action kmlussier will document the general wokflow for being DIG release coordinator
14:22 yboston #info 9) jihpringle will send out an email to the list to ask DIG memebers to sign up for pending 2.9 new #info ) featutres
14:22 pinesol_green [evergreen|Pasi Kallinen] LP#1092018: Make the reports UI use UTF-8. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=320e5d9>
14:22 yboston will defer
14:22 yboston #action jihpringle will send out an email to the list to ask DIG memebers to sign up for pending 2.9 new #info ) featutres
14:22 yboston #info 10) yboston & remingtron will asses which 2.9 new features do not require new documentation
14:23 yboston remingtron: did you do soem of this too?
14:23 dluch joined #evergreen
14:23 remingtron yes, I've done a basic assessment of the unclaimed 2.9 tasks
14:23 remingtron I marked them as EASY or WAIT, and added basic instructions
14:23 yboston remingtron++
14:24 alynn26 remingtron++
14:24 yboston I will move on, because of the hack-a-way
14:24 krvmga remingtron++
14:24 yboston #info 11) yboston will test and sign-off on Launchpad bug 1482336 - allowing release notes with “.adoc” suffix
14:24 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1482336 in Evergreen "create_release_notes.sh include .adoc files" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1482336
14:24 yboston I beleive this was pushed to master yesterday
14:24 remingtron yboston++
14:25 alynn26 yboston++
14:25 krvmga yboston++
14:25 yboston actually, it should be bshum++ and gmcharlt++ :)
14:25 yboston link http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=c​ommit;h=adb63b4a03e5c48a99642a7d9f205583780a77ff
14:25 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1482336: use *.adoc as extension for extant release notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=adb63b4>
14:25 yboston #link http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=c​ommit;h=adb63b4a03e5c48a99642a7d9f205583780a77ff
14:25 pinesol_green [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1482336: use *.adoc as extension for extant release notes - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=adb63b4>
14:26 yboston Stompro++
14:26 remingtron indeed, thanks to both of them
14:26 yboston moving on
14:26 yboston #info 12) need volunteers to see why the 2.9 and the master/dev PDF is not being built
14:26 yboston this should be all set
14:27 yboston and there is a final action item covering the same issue, so we are done with last meeting’s action items
14:27 yboston I would like to end early becuase of the hack-a-way
14:27 krvmga agreed
14:27 yboston are there some quick questions,
14:27 yboston …ideas or comments?
14:28 remingtron I have a thought
14:28 yboston go agead
14:28 Bmagic yboston wave at the camera, I can see you typing!
14:28 yboston *ahead
14:28 remingtron first, is anyone interested in claiming one of the remaining 2.9 tasks during the hackaway?
14:28 krvmga can you see me, too?
14:28 krvmga i waved
14:29 Bmagic yep!
14:29 remingtron I'd love to see the 2.9 tasks get finished
14:29 dluch #info dluch is Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS
14:29 yboston I can mention it to the crowd after the meeting
14:29 yboston hello
14:29 remingtron yboston: thanks
14:29 dluch Sorry I'm so late, everyone!
14:29 krvmga dluch: hi, debbie!
14:30 remingtron dluch: welcome!
14:30 yboston no problem, sadly we are planning to wrap up early so we can have a face to face meeting on search at the hack-a-way
14:30 remingtron second, we should choose a DIG priority (or a few) to work on between now and release of the next EG version
14:30 yboston we all may continue talking in my absence,
14:30 yboston remingtron++
14:30 krvmga brb
14:31 yboston dluch: we have some features needed docuemntation in EG 2.8 and 2.9 if you have time
14:32 yboston do we want to start a thread on the list about picking some priorities?
14:32 dluch Yes, I've been meaning to take a look at what needs done. Will do so asap!
14:32 alynn26 I should have the last of my Documentation, by next week. Then I am looking at a total revamp of the Patron registration documentation.  There is a lot of information missing
14:33 yboston nice
14:33 yboston can I get a volunteer to email the list to ask about our prorities until the next release?
14:33 alynn26 I'll do that
14:33 yboston gracias
14:33 remingtron alynn26: that would be very helpful! there are many such gaps in the docs
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14:34 dluch I'd also like to add some local admin docs i've been working on.  Need some adjusting still, but soon.
14:34 yboston #action alynn26 will write to the DIG list to start discussion on DIG priorities before the next release in MArch
14:34 yboston OK, folks I will like to wrap up, again because of the hack-a-way
14:34 yboston last comments or questions?
14:34 krvmga thanks, everyone!
14:34 remingtron dluch: feel free to post a link to them on the 2.9 needs page, especially if you get stuck and need help, or when they're ready
14:35 yboston (of course you can keep talking on the IRC line)
14:35 alynn26 My ultimate goal is to take the Admin->Local System and make sure there is documentation for all of them.
14:35 yboston nice
14:35 yboston alynn26++
14:35 krvmga alynn26++
14:35 dluch Will do, remingtron
14:35 yboston OK folks, have a good day. the next meeting is scheduled for December 3rd
14:35 yboston #endmeeting
14:35 pinesol_green Meeting ended Thu Nov  5 14:35:50 2015 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
14:35 pinesol_green Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2015/evergreen.2015-11-05-14.00.html
14:35 pinesol_green Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2015/evergreen.2015-11-05-14.00.txt
14:35 pinesol_green Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2015/evergreen.2015-11-05-14.00.log.html
14:35 remingtron yboston++
14:35 alynn26 yboston++
14:35 krvmga yboston++
14:35 Bmagic yboston++
14:36 dluch Have fun at the hack-a-way!
14:36 dluch yboston++
14:36 remingtron could someone unmute the hackaway computer?
14:36 bshum yboston++
14:36 Bmagic there we go
14:36 jeff hooray, whoever unmuted!
14:36 remingtron thanks! I hear sound now!
14:42 csharp https://hangouts.google.com/hango​uts/_/veduowhkbtuxw3siics5r3pegia
14:43 csharp can you see the screen?
14:45 rlefaive joined #evergreen
14:48 Bmagic Galen needs a mic
14:48 Bmagic maybe if we unmuted one other microphone near the front of the room
14:50 phasefx room full, didn't realize hangouts had a limit there
14:50 Bmagic the "Elizabeth" computer is located at the front, unmute it?
14:53 Bmagic phasefx: debbie left the hangout, there should be one slot open
14:53 dluch phasefx: I just left, so you should be able to get in- ?
14:53 jeff bah. berick is cutting out.
14:53 jeff he was saying that something which was important was... [unable to determine]
14:53 * jeff listens harder
14:53 jeff and all that comes from [lost] full text engine
14:53 jeff alas.
14:54 phasefx Bmagic: dluch: gracias
14:54 remingtron jeff: I think berick is talking about [external] full text engines
14:54 * jeff nods
14:55 Bmagic solr will introduce issues with opac visibility and scope searching
14:55 jeff Bmagic: care to expand on that?
14:55 jeff Bmagic: or were you trying to summarize what berick was saying?
14:56 Bmagic the perl logic that Evergreen is using to filter the search results may need to be reimplemented for solr
14:56 * miker listens and waits to jump in
14:56 Bmagic csharp could leave the hangout, since he is in the room physically
14:58 Bmagic Mike also?
14:59 Bmagic And Thomas is there in the room I think
14:59 miker some starting information: fts is the smallest time-cost in search
14:59 yboston I ask Chris to leave
14:59 yboston *asked
15:00 Bmagic Chris is gone, more room in hangouts now
15:02 csharp @eightball do I take up too much room?
15:02 pinesol_green csharp: The outlook is good.
15:02 jeff miker: do you have other data, such as what takes the most time? :-)
15:02 jeff (facets, filtering, etc)
15:02 miker jeff: indeed. stock master has a word order rel bump enabled. that doubles the time by itself
15:03 miker for, say, "the" keyword search
15:03 miker facets speed things up, actually -- they're exact match and filter records before vis checking happens
15:04 miker most time is spent in visibility checking
15:05 miker preferred language relevance bumping adds ~20%, even after removing the word order bump
15:05 jeff by "facets", i meant gathering facets...
15:05 jeff did you mean applying facets as a filter, or?
15:05 miker jeff: that's an out-of-band process
15:05 phasefx who's that speaking now?
15:06 miker applying facets makes it faster
15:06 jeff phasefx: that's jboyer-laptaupe
15:06 phasefx jeff: thanks
15:06 miker that's jboyer-laptaupe, I beli
15:06 miker :)
15:06 phasefx :)
15:07 jeff (back to berick now)
15:07 jeff miker: facets are gathered out of band, but tpac search results pages require facets be gathered (or timed out?) before returning, right?
15:07 miker some things to think about when considering external engines: conjoined items, containers (public and private)
15:07 jeff (i guess i could refresh my memory by looking at the code)
15:08 jeff hopefully someone in the room is taking good notes.
15:08 miker jeff: yes, however for all but the most pathological cases, that happens faster than the "give me the 10 bibs" part, which happens in parallel
15:08 jeff miker: got it. thanks.
15:09 miker re kathy's question: for fts, lots. for fts with tons of visibility checks, not many
15:09 miker jeff: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1505286
15:09 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1505286 in Evergreen "set limit on facets retrieved during search" [Wishlist,New]
15:09 miker re facet gathering speed
15:09 * jeff nods
15:10 jeff i'd been watching that one. :-)
15:10 jeff actually, that's pullrequested now, isn't it?
15:10 * jeff looks
15:15 Bmagic it's hard to deny that those numbers are looking worse for EG systems compared
15:15 miker Bmagic: where are those numbers?
15:16 Bmagic https://docs.google.com/a/mobiusconsortium.org/s​preadsheets/d/1AQPUvYLpn-liKdUz669lgaVQmekeYFuen​3Y8OV5Nhbo/edit?usp=sharing_eid&amp;ts=562e5490
15:16 jeff miker: screen shared in hangout by "Elizabeth" participant. link -- Bmagic got it
15:16 miker Bmagic: thanks!
15:16 Bmagic sho thang
15:16 miker jeff: and you!
15:17 jeff audio got GREAT for a very brief moment
15:17 Bmagic jeff: it's your hardware
15:18 jeff Bmagic: yeah? drat.
15:18 Bmagic It was a joke, adding to the hardware discussion
15:19 jeff oh, now i get it! :-)
15:20 miker doh, got kicked out
15:21 miker back in
15:22 jeff anyone have kmlussier's example publisher name?
15:22 berick free spirit (i think)
15:22 jeff thanks.
15:22 krvmga jeff: yes, it was free spirit
15:24 krvmga jeff: that being said, since we added (cwmars) publisher as an indexed (not keyword but indexed as publisher) term, the problem seems to be sorted out somewhat.
15:25 krvmga jeff: in other words, titles exactly matching free spirit (and titles are weighted more) show up before publisher free spirit (as publisher)
15:25 * miker wants to add pg_tgrm
15:26 miker for similarity component to ranking
15:27 * csharp posts link to pg_tgrm for reference: http://www.postgresql.org/d​ocs/9.4/static/pgtrgm.html
15:27 miker csharp: thanks :)
15:27 miker in particular, to replace the old rel bumps
15:27 * dbwells sits down, reads backscroll
15:27 * csharp is very surprised to see such disparate search times between PINES and others
15:28 jboyer-laptaupe csharp, Size is a part of it, but I'm super sad also. (we're not THAT big... :( )
15:30 * csharp needs to get around to applying the fix to bug 1438136 to prod
15:30 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1438136 in Evergreen 2.8 "OPAC searching significantly slowed by adding format filters" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1438136
15:31 miker jboyer-laptaupe: do you have anything in search.relevance_adjustment at all?
15:31 jboyer-laptaupe miker, nope.
15:32 csharp we have 0 rows too
15:32 miker k... sorry :(
15:32 jeff 19 rows here. neat.
15:32 jboyer-laptaupe I'm still running GIST on Pg 9.1, so I'm hoping to see some decent changes in December (9.3, GIN, etc.)
15:33 miker jeff: I'd say remove them asap :)
15:33 Bmagic berick++  #I agree, EG numbers are not even close to the "internet" standards
15:33 jeff yeah. trying to remember why i thought those in particular were already gone.
15:33 miker jboyer-laptaupe: oh! dear... yeah, that'll cut your time by a good bit
15:33 csharp jboyer-laptaupe: I'll work with you to upgrade to 9.3/GIN this evening over dinner :-P
15:34 miker what was the question?
15:34 jboyer-laptaupe csharp, I have my new DB servers for the upgrade, just started installing OSes last week, heh.
15:34 jeff miker: oh -- they're all inactive.
15:34 csharp jboyer-laptaupe: awesome
15:34 miker jeff: k :)
15:34 jeff this returns zero results: SELECT * FROM search.relevance_adjustment WHERE active;
15:35 jeff miker: in this case, other than "remove them anyway", do you expect my 19 active=false rows to have much impact?
15:35 miker what rogan is saying, right there. we are effectively searching tweet-sized data
15:36 miker jeff: no
15:36 miker you're fine
15:36 jeff miker: phew. :-)
15:36 miker but, do remove them :)
15:36 * jeff nods
15:37 jeff so that i won't be surprised by them again ;-)
15:37 miker I'd love to surface browse data in a sidebar, like facets
15:37 miker (re leading users to related stuff)
15:38 miker and, sound cuts out right when jboyer-laptaupe is saying something important
15:38 * phasefx lost audio too
15:38 jeff and i've lost audio/video.
15:38 jeff well, other than the shared screen video.
15:38 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 64.57.241.14 pasted "a question asked in the form of a patch" (13 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/11
15:38 jeff audio's back.
15:39 miker gmcharlt++
15:39 * miker waves back
15:39 bshum miker++
15:40 berick miker++
15:40 csharp miker++
15:40 miker indeed!
15:41 miker let's fund this: http://postgrespro.ru/roadmap/mssearch
15:41 bshum miker: Those russian guys are the best :)
15:42 miker bshum: we funded thesaurus support (but don't yet use it) back in my pines days
15:42 bshum Fancy history :)
15:42 miker http://postgrespro.ru/blog/pgsql/17773
15:43 ldw csharp: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/E​vergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/user​/ldw/lp978095_cancel_lineitem_no_copies
15:46 miker rogan's talking about the effect of the activity metric project, partially
15:48 jeff uhoh. my name again.
15:48 jeff (just put my headphones back on)
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15:48 ldw csharp: Canceled: No Copies
15:49 yboston it is not the same without jeff here :(
15:49 yboston miker is missed too
15:50 miker I wanted to be there, and thought I might be able to come a the last minute ... but then things conspired against me
15:57 kmlussier miker: Just catching up on the logs. Word order - are you talking about the word order bump that came from search.relevance_adjustment?
15:58 miker kmlussier: indeed
16:00 miker .oO( will this be the marshmallow update, or just a 5.1.1 patch? )
16:00 kmlussier miker: OK, thanks. None of our sites are using those (I hope).
16:00 miker kmlussier: or, hope they are and get an instant speed bump! ;)
16:01 kmlussier miker: heh, that's another way of looking at it.
16:01 * kmlussier double checks
16:02 miker always look on the bright side of life</python>
16:02 bshum miker: !!! one hopes :)
16:04 miker and, looks like no. nexus 6 still in testing
16:06 jeffdavis that spreadsheet comparing search times is quite useful, thank you to whoever put that together!
16:07 jeffdavis (and fwiw I expect many of Sitka's search times to get drastically better tomorrow, once I've applied a fix for 1438136)
16:07 bshum jeffdavis++
16:08 bshum I think kmlussier put together most of the spreadsheet
16:08 miker bshum: yep, 5.1.1
16:09 bshum miker: Lame
16:10 jeffdavis kmlussier++
16:11 miker it's galen-ception!
16:15 * csharp queues "The Dream is Collapsing"
16:16 * berick wonders if csharp needs a hug
16:16 gmcharlt kmlussier: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PGCon201​3_Unconference_Future_of_Full-Text_Search
16:17 kmlussier jeffdavis: Let me know when the fix is loaded. I would be happy to update the spreadsheet.
16:17 miker berick: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z6g​G3tKDBlk/maxresdefault.jpg
16:19 kmlussier We've been playing with http://textanalysisonline.c​om/nltk-wordnet-lemmatizer to see how the WordNet Lemmatizer handles word variations. We've been happy with the results.
16:19 jboyer-laptaupe Cool job, Ubuntu. One physical machine claims to be totally up to date on kernel 3.13, a different physical machine claims to be totally up to date on 3.19, both running Trusty.
16:20 berick miker++
16:20 kmlussier For comparison, a similar tool shows how words are stemmed with the Porter stemmer. http://textanalysisonline.com/nltk-porter-stemmer
16:20 kmlussier We've found that some of the words where we've had difficulty with the Porter stemmer (Pacific / Pacificism) are handled better through the lemmatizer.
16:22 gmcharlt kmlussier: "are is was" is a good example for showing off the lemmatizer, I note
16:23 miker gmcharlt: :)
16:23 miker be be be
16:23 jihpringle joined #evergreen
16:24 berick or not to be be be
16:24 dbwells :)
16:25 jboyer-laptaupe My mystery solved: 3.19 machine boots EFI, needs a signed kernel, 3.13 machine runs plain generic. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:28 pinesol_green [evergreen|Kate Butler] Docs: add 'Place another hold link' docs - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8ee61cf>
16:33 miker jboyer-laptaupe: can you put UEFI in BIOS boot mode?
16:34 jboyer-laptaupe miker, I probably can, but don't have a strong preference, just initially confused. (the EFI machine is MUCH newer and EFI is the future, so unless there are serious DB issues with 3.19 kernels, I wasn't worried about it anymore)
16:35 miker jboyer-laptaupe: I misread you "solved" comment. you want 3.19 over 3.13 for sure
16:36 jboyer-laptaupe Yeah, "mystery solved," not "action taken." :)
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16:53 jeff "in the words of Ernest Hemingway, 'buy a lot of RAM'"
16:54 yboston does anyone know how to turn on the “activity.log” file on a vanilla EG install? I need it for some analysis of patron searches, thanks in advacne
16:56 berick yboston: if you enable syslog in opensrf_core.xml and run rsyslog it will start creating it
16:56 * berick walks over
16:57 miker berick walks over and the hangout ends... THANKS, BILL
17:00 Bmagic haha, I went to look too, and it was shutdown, lol
17:17 * dbs chuckles at PostgreSQL unconference session that ends with "General commitment towards keeping discussion going on PGSQL-hackers list"
17:21 gmcharlt dbs: define "discussion" ;0
17:21 gmcharlt ;)
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17:35 kitteh_ https://puppetlabs.com/presenta​tions/why-everything-just-worst
17:53 Bmagic see yall tomorrow
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18:10 bshum Calling 0948
18:37 jwoodard @weather 76227
18:37 pinesol_green jwoodard: Aubrey, TX :: Mostly Cloudy :: 78F/26C | Thursday: Partly cloudy. Lows overnight in the low 50s. Thursday Night: Partly cloudy skies. A stray severe thunderstorm is possible. Low 51F. Winds W at 10 to 20 mph. | Updated: 13m ago
18:38 jwoodard "A stray severe thunderstorm is possible." lol
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19:11 jwoodard @librarian
19:11 pinesol_green jwoodard: Management:12, Cataloging:12, Acquisitions:14, Reference:14, Circulation:7, Systems:16, Research:8, Custodial:10
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23:39 jeff after two days of having the hack-a-way hangout in my headphones most of the day, i find myself hearing it in my head as i drift to sleep.
23:39 jeff Tetris Effect.

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