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mmorgan |
@coffee |
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* pinesol_green |
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remingtron |
Has anyone had incorrect cover images from OpenLibrary? I posted a new bug 1475315 that I encountered. |
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pinesol_green |
Launchpad bug 1475315 in Evergreen "OpenLibrary JSON API is deprecated, sometimes produces incorrect book covers" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1475315 |
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kmlussier |
@weather |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city. |
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kmlussier |
Doh |
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kmlussier |
@weather 02771 |
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pinesol_green |
kmlussier: The current temperature in Seekonk River, Providence, Rhode Island is 66.6°F (10:08 AM EDT on July 16, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 57.2°F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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mmorgan |
@weather 01923 |
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pinesol_green |
mmorgan: The current temperature in Danvers, Danvers, Massachusetts is 66.7°F (10:09 AM EDT on July 16, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 50.0°F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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mmorgan |
Hmm. I don't see any clouds... |
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kmlussier |
mmorgan: Mostly blue skies here too. |
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mmorgan |
Perfect! (IMO) :-D |
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kmlussier |
Yes, perfect for a work day with my windows open. I would be a bit disappointed if it were a weekend. I like to be a little warmer when I go to the beach. |
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mmorgan |
True, definitely not a swimming at the beach day. More like a walking on the beach day. |
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csharp |
@weather 30345 |
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csharp: The current temperature in Lakeside, Atlanta, Georgia is 86.7°F (10:30 AM EDT on July 16, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 75.2°F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Rising). |
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kmlussier |
I feel like we've been doing a lot of linking lately to the docs created from the Evergreen in Action book. |
| 12:38 |
kmlussier |
Makes me wonder if we should seriously consider bringing it up to date with our current release. |
| 12:43 |
kmlussier |
maryj: Tough luck for the user who wants to keep their circ history for 2000+ years. ;) |
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jeffdavis |
kmlussier: updating Evergreen in Action has crossed my mind as well |
| 12:45 |
kmlussier |
jeffdavis: The goal behind the book was introduce the basic configuration settings to get started in Evergreen. With that in mind, I really don't think there would be too much to update. |
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kmlussier |
For example, even though we got a whole new set of holds settings in 2.4, those aren't settings I would expect to cover in the book anyway. Because they are a bit beyond basic. |
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kmlussier |
Having said that, I would be totally up for a doc sprint to write a book dedicated to holds in Evergreen. |
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phasefx |
don't want one document to rule them all? |
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* phasefx |
does think our table of contents is out of control |
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jeffdavis |
It's pretty common for the homepage for some software to have both exhaustive docs for reference and a more accessible tutorial for new users. I see the EG in Action book as an instance of the latter. |
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kmlussier |
phasefx: There is definitely a need for one place to document every feature in Evergreen. But, with the book, our thinking was introduced the most-used configuration options because new users can be overwhelmed by all the things. |
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jeffdavis |
kmlussier: jinx :) |
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kmlussier |
phasefx: Yes, the ToC is out of control. |
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kmlussier |
jeffdavis: You beat me! :) |
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* phasefx |
nods |
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kmlussier |
phasefx: DIG was working on a reorganization, which I think would be helpful. |
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* phasefx |
likes this: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/ |
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maryj |
kmlussier++ |
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kmlussier |
The thing I like about the apache ToC is that there is the main user guide with a totally separte section for the specific how-tos / tutorials. |
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kmlussier |
The content from Evergreen in Action that got pulled over was integrated in the main ToC, which I think was ultimately a bit confusing because there is overlapping content down futher in the docs. |
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kmlussier |
But if we had a way to pull it out separately, I think it would work better. |
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* csharp |
likes the postgresql docs model: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/interactive/index.html |
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yboston |
kmlussier & phasefx & jeffdavis: I like the idea of updating EIA and keeping it seperate. I still turn to EIA since it takes less time to find certain chunks of docuemntation since it is shorter |
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csharp |
especially the hyperlinked release numbers at the top so you can navigate over what's changed between releases for a particular featureset |
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yboston |
kmlussier & phasefx & jeffdavis: one of the driving forces for re-organizing the main docs is to address different audiences like front line versus adminstrators, and some want to seperate branch admins versus consortium admins |
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kmlussier |
csharp: Yes, I like those too. |
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csharp |
_robbat2|irssi++ # cool! |
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yboston |
Evergreen in action might be slighlty more task oriented (admin inital set up) than audience oriented at this time. Perhaps Evergreen in action can evelove into helping moer audiences |
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kmlussier |
There's probably a place for both audience-oriented and task-oriented documentation. |
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* kmlussier |
waves to rfrasur |
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* rfrasur |
waves back and looks on in a daze. |
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rfrasur |
Is summer reading over yet? |
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kmlussier |
Oh, today is EOB day, isn't it? I nearly forgot. |
| 13:36 |
rfrasur |
lol, it is. |
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* kmlussier |
gets ready to sit back with some popcorn |
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* rfrasur |
attempts to caffeinate. |
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rfrasur |
bshum: did I look past the agenda email? (entirely possible) |
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kmlussier |
I don't think bshum is around today. IIRC, yboston is running the meeting. |
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yboston |
yes I am |
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rfrasur |
k, yboston, did I miss the agenda email? |
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yboston |
I got a copy, let me DIG it up |
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yboston |
oops, capatilzed by habit |
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rfrasur |
I'm buried under a digital mountain of email. apologies. |
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kmlussier |
Ha! I thought that was intentional. :) |
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rfrasur |
lol, me too. |
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yboston |
heads up, the Evergreen Oversight Board IRC meetign starts at 2 PM EST |
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yboston |
#startmeeting Evergreen Oversight Board Meeting 2015-07-16 |
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pinesol_green |
Meeting started Thu Jul 16 14:00:34 2015 US/Eastern. The chair is yboston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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pinesol_green |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol_green |
The meeting name has been set to 'evergreen_oversight_board_meeting_2015_07_16' |
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yboston |
#info meeting agenda: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-July/001093.html |
| 14:00 |
yboston |
#topic introductions |
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yboston |
#info yboston is Yamil Suarez - Berklee College of Music - EOB member |
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graced |
#info graced is Grace Dunbar, Equinox |
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montgoc1 |
#info montgoc1 is Chauncey Montgomery, Consortium of Ohio Libraries |
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tspindler |
#info /me Tim Spindler - C/W MARS - EOB member |
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abneiman |
#info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Kent County Public Library |
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thprokrym |
#info thprokrym is tanya prokrym, nc cardinal |
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csharp |
#info csharp is Chris Sharp, GPLS |
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sherbertbc |
#info sherbertbc is Sharon Herbert, Sitka/BC Libraries Cooperative - EOB member |
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rfrasur |
#info rfrasur is Ruth Frasur - Hagerstown Library, Evergreen Indiana |
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japippin |
#info japippin is Johnnie Pippin, NC Cardinal |
| 14:03 |
yboston |
BTW, as you can magine, Ben Shum is traveling and we decided it was best for me to lead the meeting |
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yboston |
he will try to participate if circumstances allow |
| 14:03 |
yboston |
looks like we have a qorum, so I will start |
| 14:04 |
csharp |
yboston++ |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
#topic actions from last meeting |
| 14:04 |
yboston |
#info a. rfrasur to draft request for details and clarification for Financial Summary / Evergreen Ledger to send to EOB list (status: done, see: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-June/001066.html) |
| 14:04 |
rfrasur |
Right, so I sent out a draft on the listserv |
| 14:05 |
yboston |
so the status is set to done, but I know more research is needed on the topic in general |
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yboston |
I think I will add an action item for myself |
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yboston |
since I need to reach out to Galen and Ben Shum, since they have cli-ledger access |
| 14:06 |
rfrasur |
Right and I know that bshum and csharp have talked about seeing if the right commands are being used to pull all the pertinent info out of ledger. |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
BTW, thanks for the draft rfrasur |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
I will proceed with an action item for myself to reach out to Ben and Galen |
| 14:06 |
yboston |
unless soemoen has a different idea? |
| 14:07 |
tspindler |
none here |
| 14:07 |
rfrasur |
No worries. I appreciate the feedback from everyone. I suspect that there will be more action on this next month. I'm not sure what questions you have for bshum and Galen, Yamil. Can you clarify? |
| 14:08 |
yboston |
rfrasur: are you addressing me or tspindler? |
| 14:08 |
rfrasur |
you |
| 14:08 |
yboston |
OK |
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yboston |
I want to know what commabds they used, which thet might have sent already, but also want to conact the SFC to see if they roccomend other commands |
| 14:09 |
rfrasur |
Gotcha. |
| 14:09 |
yboston |
(sorry for the bad spelling) |
| 14:09 |
yboston |
#action yboston will follow up with bshum and gmcharlt to review what commnads are being used to get reports from cli-ledger and ask if the SFS has any recommendations for different commands |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
anything else on this topic at this time? |
| 14:10 |
rfrasur |
Not from me. |
| 14:10 |
yboston |
will move on |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
#info b. tprokrym and graced to send on new EG2016 Conference budget to EOB list. (status: done, see: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-June/001074.html) |
| 14:11 |
yboston |
does anyone have anything to add? |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
note: in a bit we will have a formal update on the conference |
| 14:12 |
rfrasur |
Yeah, I think we should just wait to discuss conference stuff at one time. |
| 14:12 |
yboston |
OK, moving on |
| 14:13 |
yboston |
#info c. sherbert, yboston to organize a social conference call for EOB members to meet informally and chat. (status: done, see: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-June/001064.html) |
| 14:13 |
yboston |
this was a great idea sherbertbc |
| 14:13 |
csharp |
sherbertbc++ |
| 14:13 |
tspindler |
I thought it worked well sherbertbc++ |
| 14:13 |
rfrasur |
sherbertbc++ #seriously, it was great. Thanks for the idea. |
| 14:13 |
sherbertbc |
it was great to see and hear everyone. thanks for those who could make it! |
| 14:14 |
graced |
sorry I missed it! |
| 14:14 |
yboston |
would like to see it repeated, specially after elections |
| 14:14 |
csharp |
yep |
| 14:14 |
tspindler |
yboston ++ |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
I think it is helpful to mix up the medium in which we communicate, but then again I think IRC scales better than the phone or video conferencing |
| 14:15 |
rfrasur |
yboston, for sure. We might think about the logistics of doing it as an On Air event so that we are sure to honor open meetings. |
| 14:15 |
sherbertbc |
rfrasur ++ |
| 14:15 |
yboston |
rfrasur: that is a great idea |
| 14:15 |
rfrasur |
It's easy to fall into "work mode." |
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yboston |
liek I said, I would like to repeat it, but it it a long way to go for the next elections |
| 14:17 |
yboston |
but we can choose to do it before that |
| 14:17 |
tspindler |
i think it is good, but whatever method we use it has to be recordable and open as rfrasur indicates |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
any thoughts about doign a meeting on the phone any time soon, or should we just revisit this later? |
| 14:18 |
sherbertbc |
I think we should revisit when we have an issue of such complexity that it's difficult to explore in irc |
| 14:18 |
yboston |
of course swap out phones for whatever technology you prefer |
| 14:19 |
rfrasur |
Let's revisit it. I will say that I'm not a big fan of phone meetings just because I process information visually and because of recordability issues. |
| 14:19 |
rfrasur |
Oh, okay, lol. |
| 14:19 |
tspindler |
fyi, if we want to test it out, C/W MARS has a go to webinar account to accomodate up to 100 |
| 14:19 |
montgoc1 |
I enjoyed the last phone meeting and it is nice to hear voices once in a while. |
| 14:19 |
rfrasur |
tspindler++ |
| 14:19 |
yboston |
tspindler: would you like to set up a test a few motnhs from now? |
| 14:19 |
abneiman |
I've expressed my preference before about phone meetings, in the sense that I feel they facilitate more conversation. |
| 14:19 |
tspindler |
yboston: yes I can |
| 14:19 |
abneiman |
However I understand the need to balance that with openness, convenience, etc. |
| 14:20 |
sherbertbc |
abneiman ++ |
| 14:20 |
yboston |
tspindler: can your system record? |
| 14:20 |
montgoc1 |
abneiman: I agree |
| 14:20 |
rfrasur |
If we're calling all teleconferencing "phone meetings," that's different. |
| 14:20 |
tspindler |
yboston: yes, it does create a huge file |
| 14:21 |
yboston |
I see |
| 14:21 |
montgoc1 |
But I also understand the openness aspect. |
| 14:21 |
csharp |
you can record a google hangout too, and anyone can attend that way |
| 14:21 |
tspindler |
csharp: what is the number limit on google hangout? |
| 14:21 |
rfrasur |
csharp++ #yes, the Google On Air would allow for limited number of participants/sites, but unlimited viewing and commenting. |
| 14:22 |
yboston |
lwhat timeline should we look at? revisit in 2 to 4 months? |
| 14:22 |
csharp |
according to https://support.google.com/a/answer/6065029?hl=en there's a limit of 15 video participants |
| 14:22 |
abneiman |
g-hangout might be a good in-between choice |
| 14:22 |
rfrasur |
yboston: let's say 4 months. |
| 14:22 |
csharp |
oh wait - that's not the "free" version - that's google apps |
| 14:23 |
tspindler |
yboston: I could set up a session with go to webinar sometime (not as a meeting) but anyone can then participate and see how it works |
| 14:23 |
csharp |
we can research it |
| 14:23 |
sherbertbc |
rfrasur: agree on 4 months to revisit |
| 14:23 |
yboston |
so team has volunteered his system, would somebody like to volunteer to test out using Google Hangout? |
| 14:24 |
yboston |
sorry Tim not team |
| 14:24 |
csharp |
the only downside is that it requires a google account to access it, and (theoretically) some may object to that being a barrier to participation |
| 14:24 |
rfrasur |
Well, we tested that already for the meet and greet. |
| 14:25 |
rfrasur |
But, I can test a Google On Air Hangout, if that's what you mean. |
| 14:25 |
csharp |
we have a Chrome for meetings box at GPLS that is severely underutilized |
| 14:25 |
csharp |
I'll investigate that |
| 14:25 |
yboston |
so 4 months from now is November, we can just shoot to try a meeting with either technology by then |
| 14:25 |
yboston |
sorry, just trying to come up with actionable items |
| 14:25 |
rfrasur |
csharp++ #I don't know anything about that. Sounds interesting. |
| 14:26 |
tspindler |
yboston: I'll announce a test meeting in the next 2 months to use our GoToWebinar so we can test it and invite other members of the Evergreen community to join if they want. |
| 14:26 |
yboston |
OK |
| 14:27 |
yboston |
#action tspindler will announce a test meeting in the next 2 months to use our GoToWebinar so we can test it and invite other members of the Evergreen community to join if they want. |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
#idea use non IRC meetigns when there are topics where IRC might not feel like the best medium |
| 14:28 |
tspindler |
yboston: do you have any theoretical situations where this is the case? |
| 14:28 |
yboston |
#idea if using Google Hangouts, use the "on air" feature to allow others to watch/listen |
| 14:29 |
csharp |
yeah, I think if we meet the criteria of 1) openness to non-board attendees and 2) recording for posterity, I think that would fly with most people |
| 14:30 |
graced |
csharp++ very succinct |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
tspindler: remember having a debate over something related to complaints about a vendor, or our list of approved vendors that might have benifted from not being on IRC to help the conversation flow better |
| 14:30 |
yboston |
csharp++ |
| 14:30 |
tspindler |
yboston: thanks, I understand |
| 14:31 |
rfrasur |
csharp++ |
| 14:31 |
tspindler |
csharp ++ |
| 14:31 |
sherbertbc |
csharp ++ |
| 14:31 |
yboston |
tspindler: then again once we try a non-irc method murphy's law will makes us want to go back to irc |
| 14:31 |
yboston |
should we moce on to the next topic? |
| 14:32 |
sherbertbc |
yboston ++ |
| 14:32 |
rfrasur |
Well, I think IRC meets the vast majority of our meeting needs. |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
rfrasur: I agree |
| 14:32 |
rfrasur |
+1 on moving on. |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
#info 3. EG2016 Conference Update |
| 14:32 |
yboston |
Tanya, thank you for joining us today |
| 14:32 |
abneiman |
But to reiterated sherbertbc's statement above, if there arises an "issue of such complexity that it's difficult to explore in irc" then a secondary method is good to have. |
| 14:33 |
abneiman |
(sorry for late reply, moving on) |
| 14:33 |
yboston |
abneiman: no problem :) |
| 14:34 |
yboston |
tprokrym: did you have something to report today? |
| 14:34 |
thprokrym |
No problem. I can talk about 3 items; the budget, the sponsorships, and the logo. |
| 14:34 |
yboston |
thanks, go ahead |
| 14:34 |
thprokrym |
Grace sent you a budget. I am tweaking it and including AV recording costs. |
| 14:35 |
thprokrym |
I also received some cost estimates from our Print Shop for signage. I will incorporate those costs into the budget and the sponsorship docs as well. |
| 14:36 |
thprokrym |
We are also working on the first drafts of our theme and logo. We are working on incorporating the fact that this is Evergreen's 10th bday into the theme and logo. |
| 14:37 |
tspindler |
thprokrym ++ |
| 14:37 |
graced |
thprokrym++ |
| 14:37 |
abneiman |
thprokrym++ |
| 14:37 |
montgoc1 |
thprokrym++ |
| 14:37 |
rfrasur |
thprokrym++ |
| 14:38 |
yboston |
thprokrym++ |
| 14:38 |
sherbertbc |
thprokrym++ |
| 14:38 |
thprokrym |
Last point is that we distributed a signup sheet to work on various activities...and have 27 volunteers! |
| 14:38 |
csharp |
thprokrym++ |
| 14:38 |
yboston |
very nice |
| 14:39 |
rfrasur |
Excellent :D |
| 14:39 |
thprokrym |
Do you have any questions for us? |
| 14:39 |
tspindler |
sounds all good, I really like the idea of celebrating the 10th anniverary |
| 14:39 |
rfrasur |
Are you confident that things are moving along on schedule? |
| 14:40 |
rfrasur |
And I agree with tspindler re: the anniversary. |
| 14:40 |
graced |
rfrasur: I'm confident Tanya and her team are ahead of the game at this stage. |
| 14:41 |
rfrasur |
Awesome. From my perspective, it sounds like it. |
| 14:41 |
thprokrym |
I think so but Grace is helping me. I think we will be ready for the early bird registrations by Sept. I am using previous conference schedules. |
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yboston |
graced++ |
| 14:41 |
sherbertbc |
graced ++ |
| 14:41 |
graced |
In fact, that reminds me... I think the conference committee needs to reconvene soon and start prepping for proposals for 2017! |
| 14:41 |
montgoc1 |
graced++ |
| 14:41 |
rfrasur |
thprokrym: Fantastic. Is there anything that YOU want to ask of/from us? |
| 14:41 |
thprokrym |
Galen will be doing a pre-conference and I have one other person for a pre-conference. I'll flush those out in time for the registration period. |
| 14:42 |
yboston |
is there a programming committee set up already? |
| 14:42 |
abneiman |
graced++ |
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graced |
pre-conference prep++ (say that five times fast) |
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rfrasur |
graced++ #times infinity |
| 14:43 |
thprokrym |
I have a group of volunteers interested in doing the programming activities - i.e. creating the announcement and getting the details for the pre-conference. I've been waiting to organize them. |
| 14:43 |
yboston |
thprokrym: thanks, just curious |
| 14:44 |
thprokrym |
I wanted to get the budget and sponsorship parts done; now I think we can move forward while those are being finalized. |
| 14:44 |
yboston |
I wonder how the board can help with the 10th anniversary celebration, for examples trackingdown old data |
| 14:44 |
RoganH |
thprokrym: if you need another warm body for the pogramming committee let me know but I'd be glad to sidestep if you have plenty already :) |
| 14:44 |
thprokrym |
thanks, rogan. |
| 14:44 |
rfrasur |
RoganH++ |
| 14:44 |
* csharp |
can help with archival stuff, prolly |
| 14:44 |
* graced |
can help with some, too, I bet |
| 14:44 |
csharp |
especially docs on the PINES end of things |
| 14:45 |
yboston |
csharp+++ |
| 14:45 |
thprokrym |
I do have one question -- what happens if we don't make the numbers. I am pretty confident that we will but there is always a possibility. Does the host organization pick up the money slack? |
| 14:45 |
yboston |
that is an excelent question |
| 14:46 |
RoganH |
The contracts are with the conservancy so it / we have to make it up. |
| 14:46 |
kmlussier |
thprokrym: No, it's not on the host organization. It's on the Evergreen project. |
| 14:46 |
graced |
thprokrym, we have buffer in the Evergreen coffers but if it looks like you won't make the numbers there's a date to reduce with the hotel |
| 14:46 |
graced |
kmlussier: what's that called again? that numbers date? |
| 14:46 |
* kmlussier |
has blacked out on all those conference-related things. |
| 14:47 |
kmlussier |
thprokrym: I think the important thing is that, if it looks like you're taking a big hit in revenue, you need to come back to the EOB with adjusted numbers. |
| 14:47 |
thprokrym |
ok. it would be great to get some 'fun facts' about Evergreen over the years. |
| 14:48 |
yboston |
thprokrym: BTW, I have seen conference committees skip services like A/V/ recordign to help insure that the numbers "are met" if things start to get too close |
| 14:48 |
thprokrym |
ok. thanks for the feedback. |
| 14:49 |
yboston |
kmlussier: thank you for helping out with the conference questions |
| 14:49 |
kmlussier |
Knowing the dates in those contracts is important so that you know by when you need to make some decisions. |
| 14:49 |
yboston |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:49 |
rfrasur |
Not that it's worth much at this point, but I really don't think there will be a numbers issue in 2016. |
| 14:49 |
rfrasur |
But, of course, it's good to know just in case. |
| 14:49 |
yboston |
rfrasur: I agree |
| 14:50 |
RoganH |
I don't know how many are being projected but unless it's outrageous I wouldn't be worried. |
| 14:50 |
* kmlussier |
agrees with rfrasur |
| 14:50 |
yboston |
so at this point we have ten minutes left for this meeting. |
| 14:51 |
yboston |
we are down to the financial report and the 2.9 realease managers report |
| 14:51 |
yboston |
both are just links |
| 14:51 |
thprokrym |
just fyi - cutoff date is 19-mar-2016. |
| 14:52 |
yboston |
any final comments or questions for thprokrym before I quickly paste the final two topic links? |
| 14:52 |
rfrasur |
Thanks thprokrym. Sounds like it's coming along well. I know I'm excited for the conference already. |
| 14:52 |
yboston |
#idea find ways that board memebrs can find relevant historical data on the Evergreen project for the 2016 EG conference |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
thprokrym: before I run out of time I wanted to thank you agian for joining our meeting and for your report |
| 14:54 |
* miker |
reads up ... I can dig up old data. 'specially old code. and ... I have every email EVAR |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
Let me paste the final two links |
| 14:54 |
sherbertbc |
miker ++ |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
#info Financial Report - see: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/eg-oversight-board/2015-July/001091.html |
| 14:54 |
RoganH |
miker: we'll make an archivist out of you yet :) |
| 14:54 |
rfrasur |
blech |
| 14:54 |
yboston |
#info Evergreen 2.9 Release Manager's Report (Jason Stephenson) - note, Jason on vacation? but this is a link to a recent blog post about major changes in 2.9: http://evergreen.sigio.com/2015/07/evergreen-29-rm-update-goodbye-scripted.html |
| 14:55 |
yboston |
so we are down to five minutes for the last two topics and for new business. |
| 14:55 |
yboston |
Of course we can bring up new business on the board mailing list |
| 14:56 |
rfrasur |
Well, if there's some on the agenda, let's get it out here into the minutes. |
| 14:56 |
yboston |
the agenda had no new business this time |
| 14:56 |
miker |
RoganH: :) |
| 14:57 |
yboston |
BTW, next meeting is scheduled for August 20, 2015 @ 2:00 pm Eastern |
| 14:57 |
yboston |
any final comments or questions? |
| 14:57 |
rfrasur |
yboston++ #thanks for running the meeting. You rock, as per usual. |
| 14:57 |
csharp |
comment: I just love you guys! |
| 14:57 |
yboston |
rfrasur: ¡muchas gracias! |
| 14:58 |
sherbertbc |
yboston++ |
| 14:58 |
abneiman |
yboston++ |
| 14:58 |
csharp |
yboston++ |
| 14:58 |
montgoc1 |
yboston++ |
| 14:58 |
graced |
yboston++ |
| 14:58 |
yboston |
OK folks, thanks for coming |
| 14:58 |
tspindler |
yboston++ |
| 14:58 |
yboston |
#endmeeting |
| 14:58 |
pinesol_green |
Meeting ended Thu Jul 16 14:58:14 2015 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:58 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-07-16-14.00.html |
| 14:58 |
pinesol_green |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-07-16-14.00.txt |
| 14:58 |
pinesol_green |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2015/evergreen.2015-07-16-14.00.log.html |
| 14:58 |
* rfrasur |
is pondering EVAR. |
| 14:58 |
kmlussier |
yboston++ |
| 14:58 |
yboston |
kmlussier++ |
| 14:58 |
graced |
ending on time? What meeting was that? ;-) |
| 14:58 |
sherbertbc |
rfrasur: EVAR = EVAH |
| 14:58 |
csharp |
EVARGREEN++ |
| 14:58 |
rfrasur |
sherbetbc++ |
| 14:59 |
graced |
csharp++ |
| 14:59 |
yboston |
kmlussier: thanks you again with your knowledge of conference planning |
| 14:59 |
sherbertbc |
csharp++ |
| 14:59 |
sherbertbc |
kmlussier+ |
| 14:59 |
* rfrasur |
is still deciding if a pin-up of Eve R. Green would or would not be appropriate. |
| 14:59 |
sherbertbc |
kmlussier++ I mean! |
| 14:59 |
dbw2 |
csharp++ :) |
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* rfrasur |
knows the answer but begs for justification....because how cool? |
| 15:00 |
miker |
I hear a pirate in my head when I type EVAR instead of EVAH, which makes me happy |
| 15:00 |
miker |
also, |
| 15:00 |
rfrasur |
Do you hear a Kennedy when you type EVAH? |
| 15:01 |
miker |
thprokrym++ #belatedly |
| 15:01 |
kmlussier |
I hear my neighbors when I type EVAH |
| 15:01 |
miker |
rfrasur: of course |
| 15:01 |
sherbertbc |
lol |
| 15:01 |
sherbertbc |
yes thprokrym++ great work! |
| 15:02 |
rfrasur |
excellent. Okay, time for me to go learn to solder...make a banana piano using a Linux distro...and something else equally non sequitar that I've forgotten. Peace y'all. |
| 15:03 |
kmlussier |
thprokrym++ |
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Bmagic |
Anyone out there dealt with New year rollover funds getting the same name and having EDI pains matching the previous year funds? |
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kmlussier |
bshum: Whenever you're available again, it looks like we're missing some calendars at http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/ |
| 15:35 |
kmlussier |
Or, I should say, all the calendars. |
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Bmagic |
I am spinning my head round and round trying to figure out why the UI is showing a combined balance when acq.fund_combined_balance shows 0.00 |
| 17:35 |
Bmagic |
From the code (as far as I can tell) is displaying that column based on that view - acq.fund_combined_balance. A quick query on that view and I get a 0 balance for the fund in question. The UI is telling me $2100 |
| 17:37 |
jihpringle |
Bmagic: EG doesn't have a check for org unit so if you have funds at different org units with the same fund codes it just choses one to roll over to |
| 17:38 |
jihpringle |
not sure if that's what you've run into |
| 17:38 |
Bmagic |
jihpringle: oh? So from the Admin -> Server Settings -> Acq -> Funds UI. I set the org unit and the fund year, it doesn't show me the funds for that org for that year? |
| 17:39 |
jihpringle |
no, when it actually does rollover all it looks at it the fund code, it doesn't check to make sure it's moving the encumbrance/money into a fund for the same org unit |
| 17:39 |
Bmagic |
We just did our first rollover and 2 of the funds from last year need to be 0ed out |
| 17:40 |
jihpringle |
so money rollover that shouldn't have or money needs to be removed post rollover? |
| 17:40 |
Bmagic |
A staff member allocated funds to last year's funds, I removed that row from the database however, the UI still shows $2100 for last years "combined balance" |
| 17:41 |
jihpringle |
I think there's a couple places it need to be removed |
| 17:42 |
Bmagic |
must be, which is what I was thinking. I can't seem to find anywhere else other than acq.fund_allocation |
| 17:43 |
jihpringle |
if you email me the details I can pass it on to our tech who does that kind of thing for us |
| 17:43 |
Bmagic |
ok sure |
| 17:44 |
jihpringle |
he should be able to explain better than I can |
| 17:47 |
Bmagic |
you got mail |
| 17:47 |
Bmagic |
jihpringle++ |
| 17:48 |
Bmagic |
jihpringle: while we are on the topic, we rolled over most of the funds. They all have the same name. When using EDI, the software is picking the wrong fund. How do you solve that? Rename the old funds? |
| 17:48 |
jihpringle |
change the fund codes so that no two org units use the same code |
| 17:49 |
jihpringle |
ie. nobody should use AF |
| 17:49 |
jihpringle |
instead AF_LIBCODE |
| 17:49 |
Bmagic |
there is only one org unit using acq |
| 17:49 |
jihpringle |
then you shouldn't have to worry about that one |
| 17:49 |
Bmagic |
so, that's not it, it's the propagated funds have the same exact name |
| 17:50 |
jihpringle |
the system knows based on year for those ones |
| 17:50 |
Bmagic |
and the EDI software is picking last years funds (they have the same name) |
| 17:50 |
Bmagic |
oh? How does it calculate the year? Based on the rollover dates? |
| 17:51 |
jihpringle |
no, year is in one of the tables |
| 17:51 |
jihpringle |
we haven't had issues with EDI chosing the wrong fund |
| 17:52 |
Bmagic |
interesting |
| 17:52 |
jihpringle |
ldw may be able to explain how we have things set up on the EDI side but I think he's still sorting out some post upgrade tickets |
| 17:53 |
Bmagic |
no problem. I will verify that EDI is picking the wrong fund before I move further on this discussion. I am basing my claims on staff descriptions |
| 17:53 |
jihpringle |
I've got to head out for lunch but feel free to email me with more details (we've dealt with lots of year end weirdness) |
| 17:54 |
Bmagic |
jihpringle++ |
| 17:54 |
kmlussier |
Reading up. The ignoring the org unit when rolling over funds sounds like a bug to me. |
| 17:54 |
* kmlussier |
never realized it was an issue. |
| 18:11 |
ldw |
Bmagic: for the fund with excess in it, is the excess there in the new fund that has been rolled over? |
| 18:17 |
ldw |
Bmagic: check how much money is in acq.fund_allocation for the fund in question. |
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