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02:49 paxed ah, i am easily amused.
02:50 paxed $ rgrep AutoGrod *
02:50 paxed Open-ILS/web/js/dojo/openils/widget/AutoGrid.js:                console.log("AutoGrod cpSortHandler(): " + js2JSON(fields));
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05:00 paxed how do surveys work? i can't seem to be able to see or edit the survey options/questions/whatever anywhere?
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09:40 Dyrcona More fun with Vietnamese records today: authorities this time.
09:42 Dyrcona sed++
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09:53 dbwells tspindler: Sorry I missed your Hack-a-Way hotel question from yesterday.  Based on the poll response from a month or two back, we have reserved a block of 16 rooms at our on-campus hotel.  The event rate is $77.00 per night (plus 15% state and local taxes).  We will be requesting firm committments from attendees fairly soon; just watch the list.
09:57 rfrasur dbwells: that's a great rate.  Just sayin'
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10:25 kmlussier csharp: I've got some Vandelay info from C/W MARS. They typically limit their uploads to files with 1,000 bib records. She said the largest she ever successfully loaded was 3.4 MB (1,918 records).
10:31 kmlussier bshum: I saw Lori at ALA, and she said Jim made a backup of RSCEL before it was taken down. I don't know what the best way is to access it.
10:36 bshum kmlussier: I'll let moodaepo coordinate that since he had wanted to poke at it.
10:39 senator <way-off-topic> email today from "LinkedIn Influencers": "Lebbeous, is your kid worth $100 million? See what Michael Lazerow thinks"  michael lazerow can drop dead. of all the obnoxious taglines... linkedin reminds me of all the kinds of people i'm glad i *don't* work with
10:40 senator library_people++
10:40 bshum senator++
10:41 rfrasur senator++
10:41 jboyer-isl "Hello there! Would you like to engage with our brand?"
10:42 rfrasur Oh dear God, jboyer-isl
10:42 jboyer-isl LinkedIn may be the worst social thing, but I don't think Facebook can kill it like Myspace and that other thing.
10:42 rfrasur I know I'm supposedly supposed to love/care re: linkedin
10:42 * rfrasur just hates it
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10:43 rfrasur No, FB can't do anything to it...because it theoretically should matter.  It's just so pretentious and full of itself.
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10:44 phasefx paxed: re: surveys, once a survey starts, you can't change it.  Is that what you ran into?
10:44 paxed phasefx: ohh. i dunno, i've never even looked at the surveys before.
10:44 rfrasur I'm thinking that Google+ and I get along pretty well, even though it's virtually useless at this point...not particularly intuitive...etc.
10:44 paxed phasefx: but that could be it...
10:46 rfrasur btw, Lebbeous' kid is worth way more than $100M.  Idiotic question.
10:48 tspindler I was wondering if anyone is doing any work with the Overdrive API to allow checkout from the TPAC?
10:49 senator rfrasur++ :-)
10:49 bshum tspindler: I think jeff was looking at the new Overdrive API and had some initial stuff on the table.  Don't know how far he's gotten since then though, I think he's been busy with NCIP, etc.
10:49 bshum (and like a thousand other things)
10:49 tspindler dbwells: thanks
10:49 tspindler bshum: ok thanks
10:54 rfrasur This was the WORST craft idea EVER for a story time!  TOO. MUCH. CUTTING.
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11:09 ktomita__ @Dyrcona what version of EG are you working with authorities in?
11:09 pinesol_green ktomita__: Have you tried turning it off and back on again?
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11:25 * rfrasur is weighing the pros and cons of getting on extension ladder to fix a downspout at the lib.
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11:39 dbwells grabbing 802
11:42 Dyrcona ktomita__: Master.
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11:48 Dyrcona ktomita__: I haven't gotten to the Evergreen part, yet, though. I am using a simple little program with MARC::Batch to check the records first.
11:55 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] Preserve record order of subfields for authority heading extraction - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4307f5d>
11:55 pinesol_green [evergreen|Mike Rylander] Upgrade script for file-order authority subfields - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=333c1b8>
11:55 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Wells] Stamping upgrade script for file-order authority subfields - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4cfa942>
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11:58 ktomita__ Dyrcona: thanks for the info.  I am playing around with it in 2.2
11:59 rfrasur apparently others are having issues w/ Comcast today.  The elevator music is less charming this time.
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12:17 rfrasur_ woohoo...getting an experienced lib assistant back when school starts!  staffing win
12:32 ktomita__ Does anyone have experience with batch authority import in 2.2?
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13:08 moodaepo bshum++
13:09 moodaepo kmlussier++ #should I contact Lori?
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13:12 rfrasur_ Are any of your consortia/systems sending the Hackaway Sponsorship request out to individual member libraries?
13:13 rfrasur_ Also, dbwells, is there going to be a documentation component to the hackaway?
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13:15 dbwells rfrasur_: I'd say any documentation coming from the Hack-a-Way would be coincidental.
13:16 rfrasur_ okay, good to know.  So, is there any reason that you can think for anyone other than programmers/developers to be there.  Serious question.
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13:17 mrpeters @later tell hopkinsju_ hey man, shoot me an email when you have some time --- mpeters@emeralddata.net --- i lost your contact info
13:17 pinesol_green mrpeters: The operation succeeded.
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13:19 frank____ Hi everibody, does someone know how can I open the 856 DATA url in a new window? I mean in a target="_ba"
13:20 frank____ target="_blank" sorry
13:20 WNPL Would anybody know if there is a way to include a ILS User expiration in my reports?
13:21 WNPL Expiration date*
13:21 dbwells rfrasur: The intention of the event is to focus on development, especially complex or cross-feature development which can benefit from in-person developer interaction.  I don't want to exclude people outright, but if a person cannot partcipate in such things, then this event isn't really for them.
13:26 yboston rfrasur: I am a member of DIG, and I am planning on attending the hack-away. I am not very familiar with the code, but I already know some Template Toolkit basics, but if all else fails I can set up tests systems with brand new code at the hack away. I can also work on some documentation while there.
13:27 yboston rfrasur: DIG also has rough plans to try to do our own documentation sprint / hack-a-way sometime in the next few months. We had one last year around the same time of the dev hack-a-way at my library in Boston
13:27 kmlussier moodaepo: Sure, either Lori or Jim. I think Jim has the archive.
13:28 rfrasur dbwells: yboston: will roll this around in my head for a few minutes - hookin' a youngin' up with a new card and some work/study for her fines.
13:33 rfrasur okay...reading
13:35 rfrasur dbwells: that's also my concern.  Of course, I'd like to hang out and work on stuff, but my ability to work on code is negligable, and this is time to get real work done.  So, I think I'll think on this more.
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13:38 Rogan_Ni rfrasur: I almost wrote in my email that this is an anti-conference because it's not for everyone.  And I was thrilled to see the DIG group picking up the idea for their work.
13:38 rfrasur yboston: I've also been thinking specifically about the template toolkit and wanting to dig in there.  Honestly, a big draw for this specific hackaway is proximity and cost.
13:38 Rogan_Ni I think we need some time for everyone's ideas to come together (conference) and other times for more focused narrow work.
13:38 rfrasur Rogan_Ni: I saw and have been evaluating on my own even before.
13:40 rfrasur Okay, thanks all.  Many things to think about.
13:40 rfrasur Rogan_Ni: that's how I read the email anyway, btw.  and it's true.
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14:20 jeffdavis jeff: did you ever get anywhere with bug 1013786 ?
14:20 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1013786 in Evergreen 2.3 "tpac: Check for password strength at login" (affected: 7, heat: 36) [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013786
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14:25 Rogan_Ni Yay, kmlussier is here.  We have someone to blame stuff on.
14:25 kmlussier Wait, I was only gone for a few minutes. What did I miss?
14:25 rfrasur no way.  kmlussier is blameless at all times.
14:26 Guest27754 jeffdavis: yes. we're directing patrons with a default password to the update password page, with a message suggesting they set a new password. at this time we are not forcing it. i should wrap that up so that i can add that as a pullrequest.
14:26 Rogan_Ni It was complicated but I'm working on tying you into various political assassinations.
14:27 rfrasur don't worry, kmlussier.  He can't prove anything.
14:27 kmlussier Rogan_Ni: And I thought I had covered my tracks so well.
14:27 Guest27754 er
14:28 jeff_ jeffdavis: yes. we're directing patrons with a default password to the update password page, with a message suggesting they set a new password. at this time we are not forcing it. i should wrap that up so that i can add that as a pullrequest.
14:28 jeff_ jeffdavis: this pair of changes emcompasses what we are using today:
14:28 jeff_ jeffdavis: http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=ever​green/tadl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9ebba​598d7cafd6a44a5b6611c7d879722e7b52
14:28 jeff_ jeffdavis: https://github.com/tadl/Evergreen_templates_tadlsk​in/commit/ede5f22774c16ebb13227228c62c6a902d1b85bb
14:30 jeff_ i think i'd like it to use the password strength regex as well as a more generic message. making it configurably mandatory is something i'm torn on as to if that's in scope for the bug / required for resolution.
14:33 jeffdavis thanks jef_
14:33 jeffdavis i'd suggest that it should be configurably mandatory iff that was the case in jspac, but that's just me
14:54 tsbere I think jspac did it by force all the time unless you set the password regex to something that indicated "don't care"
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15:04 jeffdavis what is the timelog function for in EGCatLoader?
15:04 jeffdavis I see that it logs stuff when DEBUG_TIMING is set, but it doesn't seem like the log output goes anywhere?
15:09 dbs jeffdavis: goes to the footer
15:18 jeffdavis thanks!
15:20 dbs Ah, egconf hackfest 2012, good times
15:24 bshum The good ol' days of being the first community TPAC adopter :)
15:24 bshum And going, omg why's this slow?!?
15:24 bshum dbs++
15:24 bshum senator++
15:26 dbs bshum++
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15:32 kmlussier @weather 02771
15:32 pinesol_green kmlussier: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Rumford RI US, Seekonk, Massachusetts is 75.9°F (2:53 PM EDT on July 09, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 69.8°F. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
15:33 bshum @weather 06708
15:33 pinesol_green bshum: The current temperature in Town Plot, Waterbury, Connecticut is 75.2°F (3:30 PM EDT on July 09, 2013). Conditions: Thunderstorm. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 73.4°F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
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15:37 gsams_ @weather 76262
15:37 pinesol_green gsams_: The current temperature in Courts, Trophy Club, Texas is 99.3°F (2:37 PM CDT on July 09, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
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16:24 frank____ Hello everybody, does someone know Why I am getting the following error make: *** No hay ninguna regla para construir el objetivo `linux-client'.  Alto., this when I try tu build staff client from linux with make linux-client
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16:24 bshum frank____: Best guess, but is this on a Ubuntu 12.04 and 64-bit server?
16:25 bshum Or wait, hmm, my spanish is rusty.  Maybe that's just saying that it doesn't have the right make target?
16:25 frank____ hi bshum not, I its on debian 32bits
16:25 bshum frank____: Which version of Evergreen is it?
16:26 frank____ 2.3.7
16:26 frank____ I am followinf this http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/​2.2/_installing_on_linux.html
16:27 dbs frank____: might need "make linux32-client" or something like that now?
16:27 bshum Not in 2.3
16:27 bshum Or wait, did that get backported?
16:27 dbs Yep
16:27 bshum Oh, heh :\
16:27 dbs So says "git checkout origin/rel_2_3" anyway :)
16:28 bshum Of course it did.
16:29 dbs http://docs.evergreen-ils.org/​2.3/_installing_on_linux.html is wrong too
16:30 dbs ugh, docs/installation/staff_client_installation.txt still refers to 2.3.3 even in master :/
16:31 bshum :(
16:31 dbs it's kind of weird in there, I'll take a stab at cleaning it up a bit
16:32 Dyrcona frank____: Are you in xul/staff_client when you do the make command?
16:32 Dyrcona If not, you need to be.
16:33 frank____ yes I am doing cd /home/opensrf/Evergreen-ILS-2.​3.7/Open-ILS/xul/staff_client
16:33 frank____ Dyrcona: thats correct?
16:33 dbs frank____: try "make linux32-client"
16:34 Dyrcona frank____: That is the correct place, yes.
16:35 frank____ Dyrcona: dbs It is working
16:35 frank____ Packing as evergreen_staff_client_i686.tar.bz2
16:36 frank____ So when the server is 64bit is make linux-client and when is 32 bits make linux32-client ?
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16:37 Dyrcona frank____: It's more complicated than that. You should be able to make a 64 bit client, with make linux64-client
16:38 frank____ ok :)
16:38 Dyrcona frank____: I may be babbling.....Ignore that last remark.
16:38 Dyrcona I have been working with MARC records all day and it is rather tedious.
16:38 frank____ yes, no problem,
16:39 frank____ well, thanks everybody, Dyrcona dbs bshum , regards from Mexico
16:39 Dyrcona I usually do make updates-client, but that requires a lot of extra dependencies.
16:39 bshum Dyrcona: Maybe we should have a session at the next conference on doing automatic updates.
16:39 Dyrcona bshum: Guess so.
16:40 * bshum likes to do "make updates-client" too and avoid the hassle of picking which to build or not.
16:40 * bshum is also getting lazier in his old age.
16:41 * dbs was just rewriting the linux install docs to remove the "Wine" recommendation and to use "make rigrelease linux32-client linux64-client updates"
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16:42 Rogan_Ni I do not want to know what my age category is if bshum is now in old age.
16:42 mrpeters1 oh bshum, dont say that....think we're the same age...
16:42 kmlussier Ha!
16:43 kmlussier I like to pretend I'm the same age as bshum. :)
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16:43 bshum :)
16:45 bshum I'll try finding something constructive to do with my youthful enthusiasm I guess.
16:46 kmlussier bshum++ #You could always make cupcakes.
16:46 Rogan_Ni Bshum is bringing cupcakes to the hack-a-way?
16:47 kmlussier How well do cupcakes survive air travel?
16:47 bshum Hehe
16:47 Rogan_Ni I've never tried but considering I barely survive it I'm guessing not well.
16:48 bshum I really hate baking actually; though I have apparently done so on rare occasion.
16:48 bshum Something to do with the oven being hot.  And sticking my hands near it.
16:49 bshum So, no.  No cupcakes.
16:49 Dyrcona TSA will confiscate them, most likely.
16:49 Dyrcona Or, rather steal them and eat them, and claim it is a prohibited item.
16:52 * dbs doesn't really like the statement that "Official Evergreen releases have corresponding Windows based staff clients ready
16:53 dbs to use." - in practice, I thought we were generally recommending against that, as it prevents auto updates?
16:53 dbs Oh well, one fight at a time
16:53 Rogan_Ni You mean the generic staff client versus the one built with the specific server id, right?
16:55 dbs Rogan_Ni: yeah
16:55 kmlussier dbs: Could you add that recommendation to the same section?
16:56 kmlussier Or maybe say something like: check with your systems people to see if you should be using a custom client.
16:56 dbs kmlussier: that's more involved than I have time to think about right now; I primarily want to fix Frank's problem first :)
16:57 Rogan_Ni The role of that with autoupdating wasn't clear to me for a long time so I think we need to be pretty ... upfront about it.  (poor choice of words but it's late in my day)
16:58 dbs http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=workin​g/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/head​s/user/dbs/linux_client_bitness_docs if someone wants to take a look at what I've done so far
16:59 dbs Rogan_Ni: fully agreed. Might be able to pull out some of what we did for our 2.4 upgrade and reuse that
17:01 dbs step 4 of http://biblio.laurentian.ca/tickets/co​nifer/wiki/sysadminProcedureForUpgradi​ngEvergreen24#Upgradetheevergreencode (very roughly)
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19:51 * bshum waves at rri, greetings!
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19:51 dbs There are now two commits on  http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=workin​g/Evergreen.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/head​s/user/dbs/linux_client_bitness_docs - the first is a significant fix for make_updates.sh
19:52 bshum Oops :(
19:52 dbs Tempted to just go ahead and push it without signoff, as it's clearly a simple typo.
19:53 bshum dbs: Sounds reasonable to me, though I can push it for you too.
19:53 dbs bshum: more eyes are better :)
19:54 bshum dbs: As a procedural question actually, while I have you...
19:54 bshum So paxed had a few commits to fix seed data that remingtron signed off on.  They look good to me, but there aren't any upgrade scripts for them.
19:54 bshum Should I wrap them each separately?
19:55 bshum Or would it be crazy of me to make an upgrade SQL that can cover some/all of them?
19:55 bshum Or maybe that's something I should mention onto the ticket itself for them to poke at.
20:02 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Scott] Build 64-bit Linux client updates when asked - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ccc0a75>
20:02 pinesol_green [evergreen|Dan Scott] Correct Linux staff client build instructions - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=39c46c1>
20:07 * bshum ponders
20:15 mcooper bshum: what are you pondering?
20:16 bshum mcooper: Reading the bug tickets and picking which to work on.
20:16 bshum mcooper: Speaking of which, I vaguely remember testing your work for the admin perms so whenever you're finished with your rebase, I think we can move that along.
20:16 pinesol_green [evergreen|Pasi Kallinen] Fix LP#1108668 by marking the internet access level column contents as translatable in fm_IDL.xml - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f0f70c4>
20:17 mcooper bshum: funny you mention it, i did that just recently. needs some testing though.
20:18 mcooper bshum: by me i mean, i try to do that before inflicting anything on other people
20:18 mcooper =)
20:18 bshum mcooper++
20:22 pinesol_green [evergreen|Jason Stephenson] Modify default logging of SIP2 in oils_ctl.sh. - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=d2a8ca3>
20:40 pinesol_green [evergreen|Pasi Kallinen] Don't let pref_ou repeat in staff recent searches list - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8a1598e>
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21:56 dbs bshum: sorry, I went right into "putting children to bed" mode after my last stmt
21:56 dbs bshum++
21:56 dbs Now going into "watching geek & sundry" mode
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