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02:34 paxed Is the IDL validator still used? I seems to complain a bit about fm_IDL.xml
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08:03 csharp_ so during the vandelay upload step, to which location is the file uploaded?  I am expecting it to be in the location specified in <open-ils.vandelay><importer> in opensrf.xml, but I don't see it there
08:04 csharp_ also not in /tmp on either of the brick heads on my test server
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08:36 berick csharp_: the file is deleted after all the records are queued
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08:50 csharp berick: I guess I'm trying to see where in the process things are.  I'm testing whether the ~250MB file I'm uploading is actually moving since I'm just seeing "Uploading..." on the interface.  Just looking for a way to monitor progress
08:51 berick ah, gotcha
08:52 berick in that case, yes, you should see a file slowing growing in size in the directory configured under <importer>
08:52 berick s/slowing/slowly/
08:59 csharp ok thanks
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10:02 paxed other than Maketext, i guess we don't have a specific way of doing translations in pure perl? (thinking of translations for SuperCat and clark)
10:05 eeevil paxed: translations of what in supercat and clark? in-db translations (config.i18n_core) for supercat and translations of fm_IDL.xml for reporter should get all the static strings
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10:05 paxed eeevil: some hard-coded strings in both. Eg. bug 1100240
10:05 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1100240 in Evergreen "Clark Kent speaks only English" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1100240
10:07 eeevil paxed: ah, those are fair for clark. agreed.
10:07 paxed and SuperCat has feed titles in english.
10:09 paxed i guess for clark i could just put the strings in 950.db-seed and query the config.i18n_core, but i'm not sure if that's the best solution.
10:12 eeevil the bigger problem is figuring out the locale to use at display time.  we could leverage mod_xmlent and DTDs
10:13 paxed would be enough to fall back to the default_locale in opensrf.xml
10:14 paxed can't really pass the locale as a paameter unless we put it in the report request table ...
10:14 paxed +r
10:14 eeevil in supercat, the changes feed is the big problem .... a dtd would be harder to use there.  the bookbag and search feed titles could just become simpler
10:15 paxed and supercat accepts a locale param
10:16 eeevil I'm not sure that the report definition should contain a locale. wouldn't we want the consumer of the output decide how to view it?
10:17 paxed the report output is static file ...
10:18 eeevil well, the data coming out of the db, sure, that has to be pinned (or an internal dtd has to be generated for the HTML output).  I'm referring to the in-code strings.  a set of static dtds can change that at view time
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10:31 bshum Calling 0801
10:36 pinesol_green [evergreen|Thomas Berezansky] Add registration/edit time barcode restrictions - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=47bfda2>
10:36 pinesol_green [evergreen|Ben Shum] Stamping upgrade script for user barcode regex setting - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ab37833>
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10:48 pinesol_green [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP1187016 Prevent new copies on activated POs - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=004974d>
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10:56 pinesol_green [evergreen|Michael Peters] LP#973666: Print Purchase Order does not print PO Name - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=f6c06a2>
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11:06 Dyrcona Whee! Flaky wireless.
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11:41 * bshum waves at gsams
11:41 * gsams waves at bshum
11:41 * rfrasur sings "Happy Monday to you, You [may or may not] work in a zoo...It may not smell like monkeys...but you might get the flu"
11:42 * paxed squares
11:42 rfrasur (tenuous, I know)
11:42 bshum @wunder 76262
11:42 pinesol_green bshum: The current temperature in Courts, Trophy Club, Texas is 85.6°F (10:22 AM CDT on July 08, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 75.2°F. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
11:42 rfrasur too
11:42 rfrasur hot
11:43 gsams and it is only 10:30
11:43 rfrasur way too hot
11:43 bshum gsams: I'm glad we did the upgrade earlier than later in the summer after all.  :D
11:43 gsams no kidding, it would have been brutal under our secondary time frame
11:45 paxed bshum: re bug 1197050 - hopefully you're not entering barcodes with spaces into the system anymore (as of commit 47bfda2) :)
11:45 pinesol_green Launchpad bug 1197050 in Evergreen "Trim away whitespace from barcodes" (affected: 1, heat: 6) [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197050
11:45 pinesol_green [evergreen|Thomas Berezansky] Add registration/edit time barcode restrictions - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=47bfda2>
11:46 bshum paxed: Well, we never intended to create barcodes with spaces in them.  And that commit applies to users not copies?
11:46 bshum Or did I misunderstand your bug post?
11:46 paxed bshum: ah, righto, my bad
11:47 bshum I haven't decided if we're going to set the regex or not yet though.
11:47 bshum I planned to decide later :D
11:47 bshum paxed: And yeah... stupid spaces
11:47 bshum It was the 14th character for one of our librarires
11:48 bshum Where it would sometimes be a space.  Or a / or any other symbol.
11:48 bshum Super annoying.
11:48 paxed ew.
11:48 bshum I'm supposed to write some SQL later to identify how many of those are still hanging around.
11:48 rfrasur bshum:am I understand that all of your libraries don't use a 14 dig barcode?
11:48 rfrasur (nice grammar, that)
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11:49 bshum rfrasur: They're supposed to be.  But let's say consistency is not everybody's strength.  And also, legacy items from old systems that made no sense.
11:50 rfrasur hmm, I have nothing good to say about that this morning.
11:50 bshum Oh, only 407 items with spaces in the barcode.
11:50 bshum Not as bad as I originally thought.
11:50 rfrasur yeah...no.  I choose not to think about it even.
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11:53 rfrasur @eightball Will we all survive today?
11:53 pinesol_green rfrasur: You know the answer better than I.
11:53 rfrasur truth
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12:01 rfrasur On a brighter note, local newspapers are quite lovely with their flexibility.
12:08 bshum dbwells: Just quadruple checking before I go look at flights, that the Hackaway is definitely September 17-19, and I should be heading towards Grand Rapids?
12:09 rfrasur bshum: def Grand Rapids
12:09 rfrasur and def Sept. 17-19 according to my calendar
12:09 kmlussier rfrasur: Are you going?
12:10 rfrasur kmlussier: It's my plan - just need to make sure I know WHY I'm going other than hometown and EG awesomeness.
12:10 rfrasur I need to read through the documentation stuff...since that's probably the WHY
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12:11 kmlussier rfrasur: EG awesomeness is a good enough reason to go.
12:11 rfrasur kmlussier: are you?
12:11 kmlussier rfrasur: Still mulling it over.
12:11 rfrasur kmlussier: agreed...but it's the diff between vacation and work related.
12:12 rfrasur heck, may just take it as vacation anyway and hang out with my sisters for a couple days
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12:30 dbwells bshum: yes, that is right.  The goal is three full days, so I'd plan to arrive later on Monday and leave either Thursday evening or Friday morning.
12:30 paxed i'd but it's a bit too pricey for me :)
12:30 paxed i'd go*
12:31 rfrasur paxed: no outgoing cargo planes...or sleighs w/ reindeer?
12:31 paxed hah
12:32 rfrasur just saying...where there's no thought for safety or legality...or reality...there's a way
12:33 paxed sure, i'll teleport over, i just need the exact universal coordinates...
12:33 rfrasur okay
12:34 rfrasur @wunder 49504
12:34 pinesol_green rfrasur: The current temperature in Near Lake Michigan Dr and Collindale, Grand Rapids, Michigan is 75.4°F (12:33 PM EDT on July 08, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 71.6°F. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
12:35 * paxed felt kinda tempted to target to -m2 one or two bugs he created fixed for after the deadline... but managed not to.
12:42 rfrasur @weather 49509
12:42 pinesol_green rfrasur: The current temperature in Downtown, Grandville, Michigan is 74.3°F (12:33 PM EDT on July 08, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 66.2°F. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
12:43 rfrasur I dunno what that means, paxed, but it sounded good...right?
12:43 paxed rfrasur: heh
12:44 bshum dbwells: Sounds good, thanks!  I'll aim for Monday arrival and Friday leaving then.  :D
12:53 rfrasur dang...so much for it being cheaper to fly than drive from IND (or anywhere surrounding)
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13:13 tspindler For the hackfest, is there any coordination for hotels? We may send dpearl
13:15 rfrasur tspindler: I'm not sure about specific agreements, but here's this https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&amp;client=​firefox-a&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=calvin+college&amp;f​b=1&amp;gl=us&amp;hq=calvin+college&amp;hnear=cal​vin+college&amp;cid=0,0,11337462256262881666&amp;​ei=SvPaUayZEsugyQH67oHwDQ&amp;ved=0CKIBEPwSMAA
13:18 rfrasur That's all also very (ish) close to the airport where there are more hotels.
13:18 rfrasur If you drag the map to the south east
13:25 gsams I was wondering if anyone knew much of anything about the mattype icons that KCLS uses?
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13:27 gsams I'm currently trying to research how to implement that setup into our own system, but I am having zero luck finding any information about how that system works.
13:27 bshum gsams: I know it's custom.
13:27 bshum :D
13:27 berick gsams: they have material type specifiers in their marc records
13:27 bshum But basically I think they're adding custom tags in their MARC records to identify that
13:28 rfrasur is there a KCLS person that drops in here fairly regularly?
13:28 berick they extract the values (via SVF/record attributes/coded value maps)
13:28 berick in the tpac they value is matched to a image on the filesystem
13:29 berick KCLS donated the images to the community as well, FWIW.  they're in Open-ILS/web/images/format_icons/mattype
13:29 bshum rfrasur: Err, b_bonner is from KCLS but he's quiet :)
13:29 bshum And mtcarlson, though I don't see him in channel at the moment.
13:29 gsams berick: I've seen those image files in our system.  I'm just not sure how to reference them instead of the item type ones.
13:30 gsams I figured the coded value map would be the way to go, but I'm not sure what values would be necessary
13:31 berick gsams: to access them today, you would have to mave a config.record_attr_definition with name 'mattype'
13:31 rfrasur bshum, do you know either of their real names?
13:31 berick which extracts single-letter codes
13:31 berick from the marc
13:31 rfrasur (they're not on the who's who list)
13:31 b_bonner rfrasur: we put the single digit code in our 998 subfield D
13:32 berick those single letter codes are then mapped to the image file by name a.png, f.png, etc.
13:32 rfrasur ah hah - there you have it gsams
13:32 berick the marc field can be anything as long as the record_attr config can find it
13:32 gsams b_bonner: thank you very much for that information!
13:33 kmlussier gsams: FWIW, we're shopping around for development quotes to provide some more flexibility for those icons. Without using data in a 9xx field.
13:33 gsams berick: This is definitely going to get me in the right place, thank you very much.
13:33 paxed kmlussier: sounds interesting...
13:34 berick gsams: no problem
13:34 gsams kmlussier: I think NTLC would be interested in where that goes, we are wanting the ebook options the most, but I prefer more informative icons for our patrons in general
13:34 rfrasur kmlussier: that does sound interesting.
13:35 kmlussier paxed, gsams: It's a fairly high priority for our libraries, so I expect it's a project we'll ultimately follow through on. I'll let you know when we have more details.
13:35 gsams kmlussier: Please do!
13:35 paxed kmlussier: ^
13:36 pastebot "b_bonner" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "kcls mat_type config.coded_value_map" (29 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/10
13:38 pastebot "b_bonner" at 204.193.129.146 pasted "and record_attr_definition" (33 lines) at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org/11
13:38 b_bonner gsams: ^^
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13:41 gsams b_bonner: Many thanks!  The group will be pleased!
13:41 b_bonner gsams: no prob.
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14:10 rfrasur I might or might not have printed two batches of checks in the wrong order
14:10 * rfrasur rolls eyes
14:11 rfrasur oh...wait.  It's only one.  At least that's optimistic.
14:12 * rfrasur only lost the plot one day instead of two...which happened to fall on a bookkeeping day.
14:19 rfrasur mmm...when staff doublechecks time of staff meeting - the sweet state of management zen (which is then broken by boneheadedness of manager who happens to be self and, therefore, cannot not be ignored)
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15:00 csharp kmlussier: around?
15:00 kmlussier csharp: Yup.
15:00 csharp I was just wondering what your experience is using vandelay with large upload files
15:00 csharp I attempted a 250MB upload and it was unsuccessful
15:01 csharp have you seen a practical size limit?
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15:01 kmlussier csharp: My understanding is that our consortia limit the size of their uploads, but I can't remember what limit they used.
15:01 csharp it's possible that my staff client auth session timed out while it was running too
15:01 csharp ah - makes sense
15:02 kmlussier I don't think anyone did a test to see how large the files could get. But I can check.
15:02 csharp thanks
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15:16 * rfrasur is jamming to library elevator music while on hold
15:17 gsams rfrasur: the best part of phone calls
15:22 rfrasur gsams: It was kinda nice...a little silly...but nothing wrong with that on Monday.
15:22 * rfrasur will expect much higher quality by the mid/end of the week.
15:23 gsams rfrasur: some Mondays you just have to take what you can get.
15:23 rfrasur gsams: that is a very true statement
15:30 rfrasur oooo, we might be almost of the computer crashing point!  Yes!
15:31 rfrasur s/of/to
15:41 bshum old_dojo--
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15:46 rfrasur brutal...but so predictable.  poor lil computer is begging to be replaced.
16:07 Dyrcona Vietnamese records are fun!
16:10 Dyrcona MARC::CharSet just loves them to death!
16:13 Dyrcona gmcharlt: I'll be emailing you some examples a bit later, possibly tomorrow.
16:13 gmcharlt Dyrcona++
16:13 rfrasur Hah!  Have been wanting to test some Korean records.  How many characters are in the vietnamese charset?
16:14 Dyrcona Phép lạ của sự tỉnh thức.
16:15 Dyrcona That's what seems to be causing the problem.
16:15 rfrasur oh...that's not what I was expecting.
16:16 rfrasur what a strange alphabet
16:16 Dyrcona rfrasur: Lots of combining characters.
16:16 rfrasur and they're latin-based
16:17 Dyrcona Yeah.
16:17 rfrasur interesting
16:18 rfrasur (which has nothing to do with your problem...rabbit trails)
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17:22 Dyrcona "Definitely time for Wapner."
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