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Dyrcona |
Bmagic: Ping |
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pinesol |
News from commits: LP2127006: Omit null name parts in patron banner <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2b1856f6723764985af69c688a0cf7686cba422> |
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shulabramble |
90 minutes to dev meeting |
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shulabramble |
one hour to dev meeting |
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shulabramble |
30 minutes to dev meeting, y'all |
| 14:45 |
shulabramble |
15 minute warning |
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abneiman |
antici |
| 14:46 |
csharp_ |
quindici minuti |
| 14:47 |
abneiman |
pation |
| 14:48 |
csharp_ |
parlo l'italiano solamente |
| 14:48 |
Dyrcona |
come vai oggi? |
| 14:49 |
Dyrcona |
undici minuti |
| 14:49 |
shulabramble |
once minutes |
| 14:49 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona: molto bene, grazie, e tu? |
| 14:50 |
shulabramble |
(my spawn has signed up for a program at college where they will live in a dorm where only Russian is spoken. they do not speak Russian at present) |
| 14:51 |
Dyrcona |
non e bene con me. troppa irritazione. |
| 14:51 |
csharp_ |
mi dispiace |
| 14:52 |
csharp_ |
shulabramble: super cool |
| 14:52 |
csharp_ |
shulabramble: is that a GA college? (thinking not) |
| 14:52 |
shulabramble |
i think so. they're doing all kinds of cool stuff. |
| 14:52 |
shulabramble |
UGA, actually! |
| 14:52 |
csharp_ |
my own spawn is at UGA too, studying linguistics |
| 14:52 |
shulabramble |
It's part of the International Affairs/Relations program overlapping with linguistics |
| 14:53 |
shulabramble |
there's a non-zero chance our kids have met given that small world. |
| 14:53 |
csharp_ |
definitely |
| 14:53 |
Dyrcona |
mine is in online grad. school, getting her MLS. |
| 14:53 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona: awesome |
| 14:53 |
shulabramble |
Dyrcona: Nice. |
| 14:54 |
Dyrcona |
thank you both. Linguistics was cool. I wish I'd studied it more in undergrad. |
| 14:55 |
csharp_ |
lots of subjects I feel that way about (I was an English major also at UGA) |
| 14:55 |
shulabramble |
same (I was a Drama major also at UGA) |
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| 14:55 |
csharp_ |
it's actually a USG employee benefit to have tuition remission for anything I want to study within a degree program |
| 14:56 |
csharp_ |
I've never wanted to re-enter school, alas |
| 14:56 |
shulabramble |
usg++ i guess? |
| 14:56 |
csharp_ |
there are a few perks :-) |
| 14:56 |
Dyrcona |
I've considering studying for an advanced CS degree, but no time. |
| 14:57 |
shulabramble |
4 minutes to meeting. |
| 14:57 |
Dyrcona |
quattro minuti! |
| 14:57 |
* redavis |
is married to a person with a linguistics undergrad. |
| 14:57 |
Dyrcona |
tre minuti! |
| 14:57 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona: yeah, I considered CS or an MIS, but it wouldn't result in any financial advantages |
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| 14:57 |
gmcharlt |
making a pre-meeting update, since I'm double-booked - the release team will be pushing the 3.16 back to allow more time |
| 14:57 |
shulabramble |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:58 |
sandbergja |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:58 |
sandbergja |
release_team++ |
| 14:58 |
shulabramble |
release_team++ |
| 14:58 |
shulabramble |
the only way i'd go back to school is to do music, but that's just my thing. |
| 14:58 |
shulabramble |
dos minutes |
| 14:59 |
Dyrcona |
"Questa e la storia di uno di noi..." |
| 14:59 |
* redavis |
has applied to a PhD program. Will hopefully hear more in the coming months. |
| 14:59 |
jeffdavis |
csharp_: are you still seeing bots get around anubis on git.evergreen-ils.org ? I notice this github issue which suggests a setting change that may help: https://github.com/TecharoHQ/anubis/issues/1121 (use fast instead of preact) |
| 14:59 |
shulabramble |
redavis++ |
| 14:59 |
csharp_ |
I've only ever wanted to be an amateur musician, so no formal training there |
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| 14:59 |
shulabramble |
un minute |
| 14:59 |
csharp_ |
jeffdavis++ # I'll look |
| 14:59 |
Dyrcona |
redavis++ Getting that "Pile it on higher, Dude." :) |
| 14:59 |
shulabramble |
i blame my guitar teacher who got me hooked on theory. |
| 14:59 |
redavis |
I wanna research the intersection of public libraries, community science, and water conservation stakeholders in the Chesapeake Watershed region. |
| 15:00 |
redavis |
lol, Dyrcona, fer realz |
| 15:00 |
csharp_ |
my brother started law school at age 47 |
| 15:00 |
redavis |
That's awesome. |
| 15:00 |
csharp_ |
God bless 'im |
| 15:00 |
shulabramble |
#startmeeting 2025-10-14 - Developer Meeting |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
Meeting started Tue Oct 14 15:00:35 2025 US/Eastern. The chair is shulabramble. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
The meeting name has been set to '2025_10_14___developer_meeting' |
| 15:00 |
shulabramble |
#topic Intros |
| 15:00 |
Dyrcona |
#info Dyrcona = Jason Stephenson, CW MARS. |
| 15:00 |
shulabramble |
#info shulabramble = Shula Link, GCHRL |
| 15:01 |
redavis |
#info redavis = Ruth Frasur Davis, lately of ECDI |
| 15:01 |
mdriscoll |
#info mdriscoll = Martha Driscoll, NOBLE |
| 15:01 |
briank |
#info briank = Brian Kennedy, BCLC |
| 15:01 |
mmorgan |
#info mmorgan = Michele Morgan, NOBLE |
| 15:01 |
sandbergja |
#info sandbergja = Jane Sandberg, PUL |
| 15:01 |
csharp_ |
#info csharp = Chris Sharp, GPLS |
| 15:01 |
abneiman |
#info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, EOLI |
| 15:01 |
collum |
#info collum = Garry Collum, KCPL |
| 15:02 |
shulabramble |
people can continue their intros as we get going. |
| 15:02 |
shulabramble |
#topic Action Items |
| 15:03 |
shulabramble |
#topic rogan will add the 2025 hack-a-way page to the wiki |
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| 15:03 |
eeevil |
#info eeevil = Mike Rylander, EOLI |
| 15:04 |
Dyrcona |
I'd say that's done: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=hack-a-way:hack-a-way-2025 |
| 15:04 |
smayo |
#info smayo = Steven Mayo, GPLS |
| 15:04 |
shulabramble |
it looks like rogan -- yeah |
| 15:04 |
shulabramble |
so rogan++ |
| 15:04 |
shulabramble |
that's the only action item from last time. |
| 15:04 |
* redavis |
just updated the agenda with a monthly maintenance release note |
| 15:05 |
redavis |
https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:2025-10-14#evergreen |
| 15:05 |
shulabramble |
redavis++ |
| 15:05 |
shulabramble |
#topic Updates |
| 15:05 |
shulabramble |
#topic Evergreen |
| 15:05 |
shulabramble |
#info Monthly maintenance releases moved to Oct. 22; 3.14.11 and 3.15.6 |
| 15:06 |
redavis |
Please sign up at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aKffVGU_vIWbtFR_vpoHsqodSw-Kdd5yn65RpfkMKKA/edit?gid=0#gid=0 to help |
| 15:06 |
redavis |
And thanks go mantis for signing up to build. |
| 15:06 |
shulabramble |
#info Please sign up at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aKffVGU_vIWbtFR_vpoHsqodSw-Kdd5yn65RpfkMKKA/edit?gid=0#gid=0 to help |
| 15:06 |
redavis |
mantis++ |
| 15:06 |
shulabramble |
mantis++ |
| 15:07 |
shulabramble |
anything more on updates for this round? |
| 15:07 |
redavis |
gcharlt has also proposed a change to the 3.16 release schedule |
| 15:07 |
shulabramble |
#topic 3.16 |
| 15:07 |
shulabramble |
#info gmcharlt has proposed a change to the 3.16 release schedule |
| 15:08 |
redavis |
https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap has not yet been updated. Just one sec |
| 15:08 |
redavis |
Revised feature slush: 10/17 |
| 15:08 |
redavis |
Feature freeze: 10/27 |
| 15:08 |
redavis |
Beta release: 10/29 |
| 15:08 |
redavis |
String freeze: 11/3 |
| 15:08 |
redavis |
RC release: 11/6 |
| 15:08 |
redavis |
General release: 11/12 (during the hack-a-way) |
| 15:09 |
shulabramble |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:09 |
shulabramble |
is the release team moving forward on the updated release schedule? |
| 15:09 |
redavis |
Yes. |
| 15:09 |
redavis |
I'll update the wiki. |
| 15:10 |
shulabramble |
#info please see https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap for updated 3.16 schedule |
| 15:10 |
shulabramble |
redavis++ |
| 15:10 |
mmorgan |
redavis++ |
| 15:11 |
shulabramble |
anyone have any other notes on updates for OpenSRF, etc? |
| 15:11 |
Dyrcona |
is it too late to sneak in support for Debian 13? |
| 15:11 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona: testing that is on my to-do this week |
| 15:12 |
Dyrcona |
csharp_++ |
| 15:12 |
shulabramble |
csharp_++ |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
okay, wall o' text incoming. |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#topic Launchpad Status (as of noon Eastern) |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#topic Snapshot |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#info Open Bugs - 3376 |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#info Pullrequests - 116 |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#info Signedoff - 52 |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#info Needswork - 99 |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#info Needstestplan - 3 |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#info Needsrebase - 23 |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#topic Updates Since Last Meeting |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#info Bugs Added - 44 |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#info Pullrequest tag Added - 27 |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#info Signedoff tag Added - 19 |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#info Needswork tag Added - 5 |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#info Needstestplan tag Added - 1 |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#info Needsrebase tag Added - 1 |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
#info Fix Committed - 31 |
| 15:13 |
csharp_ |
so, 31 down, 3376 to go, I guess |
| 15:14 |
eeevil |
I've been buried in bigger things, but I expect to have a few small fixes for opensrf soon. things like object initialization thinkos ... oh, missed the topic. (no worries, just informational for some near future) |
| 15:14 |
shulabramble |
just to revisit next month #action csharp_ is going to work on debian 13 support |
| 15:14 |
shulabramble |
eeevil++ |
| 15:14 |
redavis |
Dyrcona++ csharp_++ eeevil++ |
| 15:14 |
shulabramble |
(I'm working from home today so my normal flow is thrown off a little) |
| 15:15 |
shulabramble |
#topic New Business |
| 15:16 |
shulabramble |
#topic eyes wanted on Redis Stream-based HA/LB branch (https://bugs.launchpad.net/opensrf/+bug/2116980) |
| 15:16 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2116980 in OpenSRF "Use Redis STREAMs for HA/LB" [Wishlist,New] |
| 15:16 |
eeevil |
That's from me, just looking for eyes |
| 15:17 |
shulabramble |
got any volunteer eyes willing to give it a look? |
| 15:17 |
Dyrcona |
Does anyone use Redis in production? Every time we've tried it has resulted in heart break. |
| 15:17 |
csharp_ |
Dyrcona: we do, very happily |
| 15:17 |
eeevil |
right now, I think there is a segfault or use-after free when ALL services are dereg'd, causing the routers to croak. otherwise, it's been working well for me in my dev env for ~3mo |
| 15:18 |
shulabramble |
csharp++ pines_team++ |
| 15:18 |
Dyrcona |
I have no trouble in dev. In prod or testing we quickly run out of drones. |
| 15:18 |
eeevil |
in particular, I would like to invoke berick's name ... he def knows the redis rewrite's guts best |
| 15:19 |
csharp_ |
@seen berick |
| 15:19 |
pinesol |
csharp_: berick was last seen in #evergreen 5 days, 5 hours, 38 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <berick> Dyrcona: heh, you tell me. my 2006 goggles are on the fritz |
| 15:19 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 15:20 |
redavis |
berick is on the road today. |
| 15:20 |
shulabramble |
redavis++ |
| 15:20 |
eeevil |
Dyrcona: there are cross-domain reg issues in the current "mainline" redis branch. there's a specific commit in mine about that, and I wonder if that would help you? (not if you're not cross-registering, though) |
| 15:20 |
Dyrcona |
No, I don't think we're going cross domain. |
| 15:20 |
eeevil |
kk |
| 15:20 |
csharp_ |
we are not cross registering - just single app servers that don't know about the others |
| 15:21 |
eeevil |
csharp_: if you have test-env tuits, I'm glancing longingly in your direction ... ;) |
| 15:21 |
Dyrcona |
I can't promise anything. I'm terribly swamped lately. |
| 15:22 |
* csharp_ |
bats eyelashes |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#action eyes wanted on Redis Stream-based HA/LB branch (https://bugs.launchpad.net/opensrf/+bug/2116980) |
| 15:22 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2116980 in OpenSRF "Use Redis STREAMs for HA/LB" [Wishlist,New] |
| 15:22 |
eeevil |
in any case, the more eyes the merrier, with thanks in advance |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
just to revisit next month in case anyone has some comments. |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
eeevil++ |
| 15:22 |
eeevil |
+1 |
| 15:23 |
shulabramble |
Okay, anyone got any last minute new business? |
| 15:24 |
shulabramble |
#topic Announcements |
| 15:24 |
shulabramble |
#info Next Meeting is 11 November 2025 |
| 15:24 |
redavis |
newp - not over here. release dates are updated on roadmap wiki page. Please sign up for maintenance release team |
| 15:24 |
redavis |
mmorgan++ |
| 15:24 |
shulabramble |
mmorgan++ |
| 15:25 |
shulabramble |
#info Hack-A-Way is Nov 10-12 |
| 15:25 |
mmorgan |
November 11 is a US holiday, should we reschedule? |
| 15:25 |
shulabramble |
oh, dang. yeah, i'm off that day. |
| 15:25 |
Dyrcona |
Well, it's during the hack-away. |
| 15:26 |
Dyrcona |
So, holiday or not, many of us will be working. |
| 15:27 |
shulabramble |
anyone want to volunteer to run the meeting that day? |
| 15:27 |
csharp_ |
@decide holiday or hackaway |
| 15:27 |
pinesol |
csharp_: go with hackaway |
| 15:27 |
Dyrcona |
I should be able to run the meeting. |
| 15:27 |
shulabramble |
dyrcona++ |
| 15:28 |
shulabramble |
#info Special Guest Host for Nov 11 Meeting is Dyrcona |
| 15:28 |
shulabramble |
so with that all sorted. |
| 15:29 |
shulabramble |
thank you, Dyrcona |
| 15:29 |
redavis |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:29 |
redavis |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:29 |
mmorgan |
Dyrcona++ |
| 15:29 |
csharp_ |
A Very Special Dev Meeting |
| 15:29 |
shulabramble |
the real surprise -- musical guest, Bad Bunny somehow? |
| 15:29 |
shulabramble |
#endmeeting |
| 15:29 |
pinesol |
Meeting ended Tue Oct 14 15:29:54 2025 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:29 |
pinesol |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2025/evergreen.2025-10-14-15.00.html |
| 15:29 |
pinesol |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2025/evergreen.2025-10-14-15.00.txt |
| 15:29 |
pinesol |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2025/evergreen.2025-10-14-15.00.log.html |
| 15:29 |
csharp_ |
just during halftime |
| 15:30 |
mmorgan |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:30 |
csharp_ |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:30 |
Dyrcona |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:31 |
shulabramble |
i'll update the wiki tomorrow for the upcoming meetings. |
| 15:40 |
csharp_ |
in our attempts to prevent our staff from placing item-level hold requests in an attempt to "help" the patron but actually circumventing the holds process, we're trying to make recall holds work |
| 15:41 |
csharp_ |
starting to wonder if we need a separate process that 1) isn't attached to a user card, but an org-level cataloging department and 2) is protected from re-entering the normal holds process until the recall is released |
| 15:41 |
csharp_ |
I'm at the spaghetti-throwing stage, but thinking that's a decent direction |
| 15:42 |
csharp_ |
our use case is that recall holds are the only item-level holds we allow in most cases and they are for catalogers |
| 15:43 |
csharp_ |
maybe something like a separate holds shelf? dunno... |
| 15:44 |
mmorgan |
csharp_: I've never looked at this, but could you use permissions to prevent item holds for most users? |
| 15:45 |
jvwoolf |
csharp_: Isn't it that the hold doesn't trigger on checkin in the case of recall holds? |
| 15:45 |
csharp_ |
yes, we have removed the perm for circ staff |
| 15:45 |
jvwoolf |
That's what we have in our docs anyway |
| 15:45 |
jvwoolf |
https://docs.biblio.org/docs/circulation/holds.html#_recall_holds |
| 15:46 |
jvwoolf |
Shoutout to mantis and Ian (I don't know his IRC handle) our new doc site |
| 15:46 |
csharp_ |
jvwoolf++ # thanks - we'll have a look |
| 16:09 |
pinesol |
News from commits: LP#2119242: batch user notes <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=291ed92de3126e33768ada243726a799a4efb87e> |
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