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csharp_ |
JBoyer: yikes! |
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| 10:14 |
Dyrcona |
Think I'll do an implementation of make-db-upgrade (https://gist.github.com/Dyrcona/00bd6b6290b6fbbb579c7f93b360ab0d) in Rust that can do a little bit more that the current implementation. |
| 10:18 |
Dyrcona |
BTW, I'm not so keen on moving our official git repositories to Github as I used to be. There are things going on at Github with Copilot, etc., that I don't agree with. |
| 10:21 |
csharp_ |
gitlab maybe |
| 10:22 |
csharp_ |
(non-self-hosted, that is, for my vote) |
| 10:22 |
csharp_ |
reminds me, our gapines.org gitlab-ce probably needs an update |
| 10:39 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, I ran gitlab-ce locally for a while and it was more work than doing gitolite. |
| 10:40 |
Dyrcona |
Apparently a F/OSS hosting site called codegen(?) has issues with bots getting around Anubis. |
| 10:53 |
jeff |
I think you're thinking of codeberg. |
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jeff |
if you're public gitlab instance needs an update, it's probably already owned. |
| 10:54 |
jeff |
ugh. your. |
| 10:54 |
jeff |
"you're gonna have a bad time" got cut from that sentence somewhere, I suspect. |
| 10:56 |
jeff |
and if you're relying on their security announcement mailing list, don't. it's unreliable. |
| 10:57 |
jeff |
the RSS feed may be more reliable, but less convenient in several ways. |
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Dyrcona |
jeff++ Yeah, it's codeberg. |
| 11:29 |
Dyrcona |
Just got through the base code to parse command line options in my Rust version of the gist that I pasted earlier, and I already like it better than the shell script. I've set it up to allow multiple prepended and appended files. The shell script can only take 1 of each, so I sometimes have to edit the result to add additional code. |
| 11:30 |
Dyrcona |
I also plan to add another multiple option to designate certain upgrades to be moved to their own transaction block outside the main transaction. That's something that we currently have to do by hand, but sometimes I already know ahead of time that certain upgrades need to be moved. |
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shulabramble |
20 minutes to dev meeting |
| 14:47 |
pinesol |
News from commits: LP#2121538: Fix lasso copy count corner case <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commitdiff;h=eb09a91f6867d1613f9e886a64fec1c365e85830> |
| 14:48 |
redavis |
shulabramble++ |
| 14:50 |
shulabramble |
10 minutes |
| 14:51 |
shulabramble |
or 1010 in binary minutes. i think |
| 14:51 |
shulabramble |
well, 1001 binary minutes |
| 14:55 |
shulabramble |
12 base-3 minutes to meeting |
| 14:55 |
shulabramble |
5 for those of you who haven't learned to count in base-3 for the purpose of a card trick. |
| 15:00 |
shulabramble |
#startmeeting 2025-09-09 - Developer Meeting |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
Meeting started Tue Sep 9 15:00:05 2025 US/Eastern. The chair is shulabramble. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 15:00 |
pinesol |
The meeting name has been set to '2025_09_09___developer_meeting' |
| 15:00 |
shulabramble |
#topic Intros |
| 15:00 |
shulabramble |
#info shulabramble = Shula Link, GCHRL |
| 15:00 |
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| 15:00 |
redavis |
#info redavis = Ruth Frasur Davis, free agent mostly |
| 15:01 |
jeff |
#info jeff = Jeff Godin, Traverse Area District Library (TADL) |
| 15:01 |
sandbergja |
#info sandbergja = Jane Sandberg, PUL |
| 15:01 |
abneiman |
#info abneiman, Equinox |
| 15:01 |
csharp_ |
#info csharp = Chris Sharp, GPLS |
| 15:01 |
collum |
#info collum = Garry Collum, KCPL |
| 15:01 |
sleary |
#info sleary = Stephanie Leary, Equinox |
| 15:01 |
smayo |
#info smayo = Steven Mayo, GPLS |
| 15:01 |
gmcharlt__ |
#info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, Equinox |
| 15:01 |
abneiman |
er lemme try again |
| 15:01 |
mmorgan |
#info mmorgan = Michele Morgan, NOBLE |
| 15:01 |
abneiman |
#info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, still Equinox, needs more coffee |
| 15:01 |
csharp_ |
abneiman: yeah, who even are you? |
| 15:01 |
abneiman |
csharp_: I don't even know dude |
| 15:01 |
redavis |
lol |
| 15:01 |
csharp_ |
abneiman++ |
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| 15:02 |
phasefx |
#info phasefx = Jason Etheridge, Equinox |
| 15:02 |
shulabramble |
We've got a sparse agenda, unless we're adding abneiman having an existential crisis to the plans. |
| 15:02 |
terranm |
#info terranm = Terran McCanna, PINES |
| 15:02 |
shulabramble |
if so, it's going under New Business. |
| 15:02 |
abneiman |
I did add something to the agenda, but it was not my existential crisis |
| 15:02 |
shulabramble |
abneiman++ thanks for the heads up |
| 15:03 |
shulabramble |
latecomers can continue introductions |
| 15:03 |
shulabramble |
#topic Action Items from Last Meeting |
| 15:03 |
shulabramble |
#topic sleary and sandbergja will report further progress on test writing wiki pages next month |
| 15:04 |
sleary |
you may have noticed that we've been adding custom lint rules (and I have one more in the works) |
| 15:04 |
sleary |
info on lint: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:contributing:qa#angular_lint |
| 15:04 |
sleary |
there's a link there to a commit that can be checked out to use as a template for writing your own rules |
| 15:04 |
sandbergja |
I also have a question for the group: we used to have a twice-daily update from the test-runner about whether tests were passing or failing. That came to this IRC channel. |
| 15:04 |
shulabramble |
sleary++ |
| 15:05 |
sandbergja |
would anybody find that (or something similar) useful? |
| 15:06 |
* mmorgan |
would say Yes. |
| 15:06 |
sleary |
I would, but sandbergja knew that :) |
| 15:06 |
shulabramble |
i think it'd be useful information |
| 15:06 |
sandbergja |
and IRC would be a good place? |
| 15:06 |
Bmagic |
#info Bmagic, MOBIUS |
| 15:07 |
mmorgan |
+1 to IRC |
| 15:07 |
sandbergja |
cool, thanks all |
| 15:07 |
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| 15:07 |
shulabramble |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:08 |
mmorgan |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:08 |
mmorgan |
sleary++ |
| 15:09 |
shulabramble |
do y'all want to report on this again next month, or do you feel like the test-writing wiki page is good as of now? |
| 15:09 |
sandbergja |
I could go either way |
| 15:09 |
sandbergja |
sleary? |
| 15:09 |
sleary |
I think we will have a discussion item later about using git hooks, but that can be a separate agenda item |
| 15:09 |
sleary |
I think we can retire this one for now |
| 15:09 |
shulabramble |
sleary++ sandbergja++ |
| 15:09 |
Bmagic |
IRC rocks |
| 15:10 |
shulabramble |
next item! |
| 15:10 |
* csharp_ |
mumbles dad joke about IRC rocks |
| 15:10 |
shulabramble |
#topic gmcharlt will be calling an organizing meeting for the nascent Infrastructure Committee |
| 15:10 |
shulabramble |
i'll have my irc on the rocks. |
| 15:11 |
gmcharlt__ |
the infrastrucutre committee is formally established and operating |
| 15:11 |
Dyrcona |
#info Dyrcona = Jason Stephenson, CWMARS |
| 15:11 |
shulabramble |
gmcharlt_++ |
| 15:11 |
sandbergja |
infrastructure++ |
| 15:11 |
mmorgan |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:11 |
sleary |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:11 |
sandbergja |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:12 |
shulabramble |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:12 |
Bmagic |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:12 |
redavis |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:12 |
shulabramble |
folks, both of our action items from last month are done. wow. |
| 15:12 |
csharp_ |
ahem... speaking of infrastructure, sleary alerted me of the need to upgrade PHP on the webserver, which has led into a thorny set of migration issues - currently trying to reverse-engineer the many symlinks and non-cruft |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
csharp++ and good luck. |
| 15:13 |
shulabramble |
csharp_++ even |
| 15:13 |
csharp_ |
we have had a destination server available for this migration for literally *years*, so I'm trying to persevere |
| 15:13 |
Bmagic |
csharp_++ # fight the good fight |
| 15:13 |
sandbergja |
csharp_++ |
| 15:13 |
sleary |
csharp_ I've been holding off on the Dokuwiki update, since you're busy with that. Good luck! |
| 15:14 |
csharp_ |
no changes to the public site will happen before the replacement is ready |
| 15:14 |
* shulabramble |
recites "Charge of the Light Brigade" |
| 15:14 |
* redavis |
has some release stuff whenever you're ready |
| 15:14 |
csharp_ |
unless.... we just decide to upgrade Debian in place and kick the can down the road :-) |
| 15:14 |
Bmagic |
I had a server once |
| 15:14 |
csharp_ |
no need to not update the site content, btw |
| 15:14 |
shulabramble |
Moving on! |
| 15:14 |
shulabramble |
#topic Updates |
| 15:15 |
shulabramble |
#topic Release Info |
| 15:15 |
shulabramble |
redavis, take it away |
| 15:15 |
redavis |
I'll be quick in case there's also news for 3.16 from gmcharlt |
| 15:15 |
redavis |
Evergreen 3.15.4 was released on August 21 along with 3.14.9. It included 18 fixes for 3.15.4 and 14 for 3.14.9. |
| 15:15 |
redavis |
Next point releases are scheduled for September 17 and we're in need of release team members. You can sign up on the Buildmaster spreadsheet which is on the agenda and available here - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aKffVGU_vIWbtFR_vpoHsqodSw-Kdd5yn65RpfkMKKA/edit?usp=sharing |
| 15:16 |
shulabramble |
redavis++ |
| 15:16 |
redavis |
That is all I have |
| 15:17 |
redavis |
And thank you to the August release team of abneiman, mmorgan, gmonti, bmagic |
| 15:17 |
gmcharlt |
as far as 3.16 is concerned, bit of a slow ramp-up, but per https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap, please note a couple key dates |
| 15:17 |
abneiman |
noting a pending critical fix for 3.15.5 at lp2122448 |
| 15:17 |
gmcharlt |
namely - 2025-10-08 for feature slush |
| 15:17 |
gmcharlt |
2025-11-06 for general release |
| 15:17 |
gmcharlt |
and between those, a feedback fest the week of 2025-10-13 |
| 15:19 |
shulabramble |
abneiman++ gmcharlt++ |
| 15:19 |
Bmagic |
abneiman++ gmcharlt++ |
| 15:19 |
shulabramble |
mmorgan++ gmonti++ bmagic++ as well |
| 15:19 |
shulabramble |
#topic Evergreen |
| 15:20 |
shulabramble |
#info Evergreen 3.15.4 was released on August 21 along with 3.14.9. It included 18 fixes for 3.15.4 and 14 for 3.14.9. |
| 15:20 |
shulabramble |
#info Next point releases are scheduled for September 17 and we're in need of release team members. You can sign up on the Buildmaster spreadsheet which is on the agenda and available here - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aKffVGU_vIWbtFR_vpoHsqodSw-Kdd5yn65RpfkMKKA/edit?usp=sharing |
| 15:21 |
shulabramble |
#info please note 3.16 roadmap dates on https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap |
| 15:21 |
shulabramble |
Any more release info today? |
| 15:21 |
gmcharlt |
that's it from me |
| 15:21 |
shulabramble |
then we have the wall of text. |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#topic Launchpad Status (as of noon Eastern) |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#topic Snapshot |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#info Open Bugs - 3353 |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#info Pullrequests - 120 |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#info Signedoff - 57 |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#info Needswork - 98 |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#info Needstestplan - 4 |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#info Needsrebase - 22 |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#topic Updates Since Last Meeting |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#info Bugs Added - 41 |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#info Pullrequest tag Added - 24 |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#info Signedoff tag Added - 18 |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#info Needswork tag Added - 4 |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#info Needstestplan tag Added - 0 |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#info Needsrebase tag Added - 0 |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#info Fix Committed - 21 |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#topic New Business |
| 15:22 |
sandbergja |
Noting that this is the highest backlog of prs + signedoffs we've had in over 4 years. On the one hand, it's great to see so many contributions. But I'm worried that, without some more action from committers, that a lot of the work that went into them will be wasted. |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
#topic September point release team needed |
| 15:22 |
shulabramble |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:23 |
mmorgan |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:23 |
abneiman |
sandbergja++ |
| 15:23 |
abneiman |
also, I retract my agenda item as redavis beat me to it :) |
| 15:23 |
Bmagic |
sandbergja++ # I'll try to merge more! |
| 15:23 |
sandbergja |
Bmagic++ |
| 15:23 |
shulabramble |
bmagic++ |
| 15:23 |
redavis |
Oh, abneiman, my apologies. |
| 15:23 |
shulabramble |
redavis++ on the interception. |
| 15:23 |
mmorgan |
Bmagic++ |
| 15:24 |
abneiman |
no worries :) |
| 15:24 |
shulabramble |
Any other new business? I heard mention of git hooks at the top of the hour? |
| 15:24 |
sandbergja |
(and of course, thanks to all who commit and review!) |
| 15:24 |
shulabramble |
committers++ |
| 15:24 |
redavis |
and thank you for adding it to the agenda. |
| 15:24 |
sleary |
there are several high priority bugs with pull requests that need review; https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:code_review has the roundup as well as some filtered Launchpad links. |
| 15:24 |
sleary |
git hooks -- another time! |
| 15:24 |
Bmagic |
57 pullrequest is quite a few |
| 15:24 |
shulabramble |
sleary++ |
| 15:24 |
Bmagic |
signoff rather |
| 15:25 |
shulabramble |
#topic there are several high priority bugs with pull requests that need review; https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:code_review has the roundup as well as some filtered Launchpad links. |
| 15:26 |
sleary |
I'm sure a bunch of those are OPAC accessibility bugs. I'll be happy to answer any questions about how to test those once bug 2122448 is behind us. |
| 15:26 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 2122448 in Evergreen "Clearing the shelving location in the holdings editor crashes the browser" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2122448 - Assigned to Stephanie Leary (stephanieleary) |
| 15:26 |
shulabramble |
sleary++ |
| 15:27 |
shulabramble |
If there's no more new business, then -- |
| 15:27 |
shulabramble |
#topic Announcements |
| 15:27 |
shulabramble |
#info Next Meeting is 14 October 2025 |
| 15:27 |
shulabramble |
anything else to be announced? |
| 15:27 |
Bmagic |
just one thing: Evergreen is the best ILS in the world! |
| 15:27 |
abneiman |
#info hackaway room block is available |
| 15:28 |
shulabramble |
bmagic++ abneiman++ |
| 15:28 |
abneiman |
can't find it on the wiki, but an email went out |
| 15:28 |
abneiman |
dluch++ Rogan++ |
| 15:28 |
Bmagic |
The wiki does need a 2025 hack-a-way page |
| 15:28 |
shulabramble |
dluch++ rogan++ |
| 15:29 |
terranm |
Does flying into St. Louis make the most sense? |
| 15:29 |
Rogan |
I will add the wiki page today or tomorrow, it's been on my to do list just been backlogged after being sick a bit. |
| 15:29 |
Bmagic |
Rogan++ |
| 15:29 |
Bmagic |
St. Louis is likely going to be cheaper than COU |
| 15:29 |
shulabramble |
#action rogan will add the 2025 hack-a-way page to the wiki |
| 15:30 |
shulabramble |
rogan++ |
| 15:30 |
gmcharlt |
I can confirm that STL (or maybe Kansas City) will likely be better than trying to get direct to COU |
| 15:30 |
terranm |
rogan++ Bmagic++ dluch++ |
| 15:30 |
Bmagic |
but there's the 1.5 hour Highway 70 problem. Which is solved by a shuttle service called MOex https://moexpress.com/mox_ml/home.aspx?L=EN |
| 15:30 |
* Dyrcona |
is flying to Kansas City, 'cause that's what the travel site picked. |
| 15:31 |
Bmagic |
Dyrcona: did you have a plan for KC->Columbia? |
| 15:31 |
Dyrcona |
No, not yet. |
| 15:31 |
terranm |
If we shuttle in from the airport, are there plenty of restaurants within walking distance? |
| 15:31 |
Dyrcona |
I didn't get offered flights to Columbia, didn't know if there was an airport. |
| 15:32 |
Bmagic |
dluch and I were talking about picking people up with the MOBIUS car but I think we will need more information from everyone to make a plan |
| 15:32 |
Dyrcona |
I put in Columbia, Missouri and KC and STL were all that came up. |
| 15:32 |
Dyrcona |
I sent dluch my arrival and departures. |
| 15:32 |
Bmagic |
terranm: not sure what you're asking? Eating at the airport in STL? Or Columbia? |
| 15:33 |
terranm |
Bmagic While we're in Columbia |
| 15:33 |
Bmagic |
oh yeah, that's gonna be the best part |
| 15:33 |
Bmagic |
downtown Columbia is gonna blow your socks off. Don't want to hype it too much though, lol |
| 15:33 |
terranm |
:D |
| 15:34 |
gmcharlt |
I can give a non-Missourian endorsement of Columbia as actually a pretty decent place for food |
| 15:34 |
shulabramble |
columbia-mo-food-scene++ |
| 15:35 |
Bmagic |
:) yeah, there's something for everyone |
| 15:35 |
shulabramble |
i mean, i guess. i've never been, and being of stolid North Carolina extraction i give the BBQ out there a little side-eye. |
| 15:35 |
Bmagic |
I'm not sure where that leaves us, as far as this convo. But I believe the outstanding issue seems to be STL->Columbia and/or KC->Columbia |
| 15:36 |
shulabramble |
i think that transportation issue is the main thing now. |
| 15:36 |
Bmagic |
Maybe when the wiki page exists, we can have a column for folks to mark down a landing time and KC/STL so we can study our options |
| 15:37 |
gmcharlt |
(might be best managed in a private spreadsheet - not everybody will necessarily want to put their travel arrangements on a public website) |
| 15:37 |
Bmagic |
that'll work too :) |
| 15:38 |
Bmagic |
I'll stub one, just a sec |
| 15:38 |
shulabramble |
gmcharlt++ bmagic++ |
| 15:38 |
Bmagic |
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bsSh8wrBZHZYgmaO0P173BtrEmt9r0aTfzu4f0l6DNY/edit?usp=sharing |
| 15:39 |
Bmagic |
Google and their usual workflow antics: "Request access" |
| 15:40 |
shulabramble |
hooray! anything more to discuss today? |
| 15:41 |
Bmagic |
I got nothing |
| 15:41 |
Bmagic |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:41 |
gmcharlt |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:41 |
shulabramble |
then with that |
| 15:41 |
shulabramble |
#endmeeting |
| 15:41 |
pinesol |
Meeting ended Tue Sep 9 15:41:56 2025 US/Eastern. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:41 |
pinesol |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2025/evergreen.2025-09-09-15.00.html |
| 15:41 |
pinesol |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2025/evergreen.2025-09-09-15.00.txt |
| 15:41 |
pinesol |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2025/evergreen.2025-09-09-15.00.log.html |
| 15:41 |
terranm |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:42 |
mmorgan |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:42 |
Dyrcona |
shulabramble++ |
| 15:42 |
abneiman |
shulabramble++ |
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redavis |
shulabramble++ |
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redavis |
mmorgan++ Bmagic++ mjdriscoll++ |
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