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| 09:44 |
abneiman |
good morning - I just sent the email but dropping a message here too - we're in a temporary merge pause while 3.15-beta is built & released. Another email will go out to the listserv when pause is lifted. Thank you everyone for the great work! |
| 09:46 |
mmorgan1 |
abneiman++ |
| 09:46 |
redavis |
abneiman++ |
| 09:50 |
redavis |
And just for the sake of my sanity, I must state how much I hate computers at this exact moment. |
| 09:51 |
* redavis |
feels better. |
| 09:51 |
abneiman |
computers are the wooooooooooooorst |
| 09:51 |
redavis |
zoy |
| 09:51 |
redavis |
lol, as is finger placement when typing! |
| 09:52 |
abneiman |
I'm going to a whole conference this week talking about how they are infiltrating libraries |
| 09:52 |
redavis |
the infiltration is complete. |
| 09:52 |
abneiman |
zoy in the new lol |
| 09:52 |
abneiman |
IS |
| 09:52 |
abneiman |
wow we're a pair today |
| 09:52 |
abneiman |
Ruth and Andrea Show, Monday Morning Edition |
| 09:53 |
redavis |
It's a mess up in here. Yes. Let's start a podcast. And call it the library s^&*show. |
| 09:53 |
redavis |
Not enough caffeine edition. |
| 09:54 |
abneiman |
+1 to podcast |
| 10:04 |
* berick |
grabs popcorn |
| 10:07 |
redavis |
zoy |
| 10:09 |
sleary |
that would be an amazing podcast |
| 10:09 |
redavis |
Aww, sleary++ #for Monday morning sweetness amongst other great qualities |
| 10:10 |
* redavis |
just wrote out a list, while fuming at screen capture BS, that includes "intellectual property, attribution, open-source ethos, communities of practice, emotional labor, mutual aid, late-stage capitalism." |
| 10:11 |
redavis |
Now that I read that stream of consciousness list, I have questions of my own self. |
| 10:18 |
sleary |
I have a lot of feelings about the way big corporations dump their work into open source projects so they can get other less well-resourced people to do their maintenance and bug fixing for them |
| 10:19 |
redavis |
oh sleary, come to me for all your rants about such things. I will not gaslight you nor attempt to mollify you. But, if needs be, I will most definitely validate your rage. |
| 10:21 |
Dyrcona |
Y'know, I had a mini-rant Saturday morning about how phone menu systems are about hiring fewer call center workers and not about making anything easier for the customer..... |
| 10:21 |
redavis |
Dyrcona, that is also 150% true. |
| 10:21 |
sleary |
+1 |
| 10:22 |
redavis |
I'm not sure that we even count as customers anymore...and probably not really even true consumers. I think we might be (are) the consumed. |
| 10:22 |
Dyrcona |
redavis++ That is 1000% true. |
| 10:22 |
redavis |
Just spitballin' over here though |
| 10:22 |
sleary |
one of the biggest call centers in the country (in the mid 90s, anyway) was very close to my high school, so it was a common part time job. The way people went from bright-eyed eager new employees to burned-out husks within a month of being assigned to outbound was... edifying |
| 10:23 |
redavis |
sleary, yes. Ugh. |
| 10:23 |
sleary |
everyone was desperate to get promoted to inbound, because that was still awful but at least those people had a reason to want to talk to you |
| 10:24 |
sleary |
I need to dial back the rage because I need to go leave some comments in the main Bootstrap project and I need to sound like a reasonable human being |
| 10:24 |
redavis |
lol, zoy |
| 10:24 |
Dyrcona |
Yeahp. I imagine that cold calling is not fun. I don't even answer the phone anymore unless I know the number/caller ID. And most of the time if you do answer, it's a robot anyway. |
| 10:24 |
sleary |
I think "zoy" is a great word for the most sarcastic, ironic "joy" possible |
| 10:25 |
redavis |
I think a ridiculously overengineered coffee drink might be in my near future. |
| 10:25 |
redavis |
Dyrcona, same. |
| 10:25 |
Dyrcona |
zoy vey! |
| 10:25 |
* redavis |
actually laughs |
| 10:25 |
sleary |
I have my trusty matcha frapp but I'm not sure it's enough today |
| 10:25 |
* Dyrcona |
has the old stand-by: Organic black tea. |
| 10:25 |
redavis |
Y'all make life better. Just sayin' |
| 10:25 |
* JBoyer |
has loud thoughts re grocery store self checkout and who / what that's good for. Hint: not us or service. |
| 10:26 |
* Dyrcona |
kind of likes self checkout when I have a few things, but not for a full cart. |
| 10:26 |
redavis |
JBoyer++ You are, as always, dialed into a truth. |
| 10:26 |
JBoyer |
The phone tree thing reminded of it |
| 10:27 |
redavis |
But, Dyrcona, imagine...a grocery store that included well-paid checkout people and all the lanes open...and baggers there (also well-paid). |
| 10:27 |
sleary |
JBoyer have you seen the articles about the way women working at Home Depot reported a massive increase in harassment when the stores redesigned the checkout lanes and now they're standing next to the scanner instead of behind a little desk? It's pretty bad. |
| 10:27 |
sleary |
redavis I barely remember what that was like |
| 10:28 |
collum |
phone trees = bad; phone trees that want you to speak to them = evil. |
| 10:28 |
redavis |
sleary, it was a few moments ago. That's for sure. And, I'm not sure they were ever paid well. |
| 10:28 |
JBoyer |
I haven't seen it. I don't suppose I'm surprised though. :/ |
| 10:28 |
Dyrcona |
redavis: I don't have to imagine, except maybe the well-paid part, I grew up in the '70s. :) |
| 10:28 |
Dyrcona |
I like self-check for a handful of "grab and go" type things, but other than that, I see it for what it is, a way to reduce staff. |
| 10:29 |
redavis |
Dyrcona, I still remember the D&W with the bag carts. It was delightful. |
| 10:29 |
Dyrcona |
And, the supermarket where I regularly shop doesn't have self checkout. |
| 10:29 |
sleary |
I need to find a work-appropriate version of the Scottish woman vs. Alexa playing her music so I can demonstrate why voice recognition systems are an accessibility issue. Really can't put that video in most of my professional slides. :D |
| 10:30 |
mmorgan |
Dyrcona: Same here, probably same supermarket chain :) |
| 10:30 |
redavis |
sleary, would that we could. Profanity does get the point across well in certain cases. |
| 10:31 |
* mmorgan |
has also been to a market where self checkout was the only option. |
| 10:31 |
abneiman |
out here in the sticks, unless it's peak rush, self check is often the only option at the grocery store |
| 10:32 |
redavis |
same mmorgan, and it was really disconcerting for me. |
| 10:32 |
redavis |
likes to have a "just in case" human. |
| 10:33 |
abneiman |
and if it's a REALLY slow time, you can go through the whole place and not see an entire human in the store. One time I stood at the customer desk for like 10 minutes, and then CALLED THEM from my cell phone to say "hi I'm at your desk". Not their fault; staffing is hugely squeezed. |
| 10:35 |
redavis |
I've got lots of words about that. As you say - not the employee(s)' fault. |
| 10:37 |
abneiman |
yep. It used to be a good job here in rural america - steady work, flexible hours, benefits, union, room for advancement - not so much anymore |
| 10:39 |
redavis |
mmmmmm....unions, benefits..... |
| 10:39 |
berick |
i feel a John Mellencamp song coming on |
| 10:39 |
redavis |
Noooooooooo |
| 10:39 |
abneiman |
lol berick |
| 10:42 |
redavis |
berick, there was actually a conversation in our household this weekend that went along the lines of "Troy - I'm using this lyric for an article. Listen to the song. Ruth - no, I hate John Mellencamp's mush mouth voice tryin' to sound like midwest Bob Dylan. Troy - yeah, but this one album is.... Ruth - genius songwriter, mediocre instrumentalist, rage-inducing voice. Troy plays the music anyway. Ruth goes elsewhere." |
| 10:44 |
berick |
hah |
| 10:44 |
berick |
it's in the air |
| 10:44 |
berick |
maybe we need a widwest Bob Dylan right about now |
| 10:44 |
redavis |
Indeed. |
| 10:45 |
redavis |
I vote for Jesse Welles. |
| 10:45 |
redavis |
though I'm not sure where he's from |
| 10:45 |
redavis |
Oh, O |
| 10:46 |
redavis |
Arkansas. Eh. Midwest adjacent? |
| 10:49 |
JBoyer |
Perhaps in the way that an angus beef cheeseburger is vegan-adjacent. Maybe he can be an honorary midwesterner. |
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| 10:54 |
redavis |
lol, I mean, an angus beef cheeseburger IS vegan-adjacent. It's all about nutrient transformation and concentration, right? |
| 10:54 |
redavis |
Yeah, an honorary midwesterner. |
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Dyrcona |
Meh. I can never remember how to show function definitions in psql. |
| 11:31 |
Dyrcona |
I also think that might have changed in some recent Pg release. |
| 11:45 |
abneiman |
gmcharlt Dyrcona csharp_ - if one of you can approve Gina's request for LP Bug Wranglers I'd appreciate it! She's doing translations today for 3.15 |
| 11:45 |
Dyrcona |
abneiman: Done! |
| 11:46 |
abneiman |
Dyrcona++ |
| 11:46 |
abneiman |
thank you! |
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mmorgan |
Dyrcona++ |
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