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06:00 pinesol News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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11:01 Dyrcona csharp: Stripping out the PINES customizations from pines/rel_3_6_1 is going to be non-trivial. Looking at terranm's first commit, and I see some things that I want to keep and other bits that I want to skip for a generic branch.
11:02 Dyrcona I wonder if I should just leave the customization in those commits and strip it out later or try to resolve them along the way? Dunno which would be easier. I could always rebase and squash.
11:09 Dyrcona Think I'll just strip out the custom bits later and rebase.
11:12 csharp Dyrcona: that was our approach to berick's stuff - a lot of it was specific to them but I either commented it out or left it in (as you saw)
11:12 csharp genericizing this will be tricky
11:12 csharp especially because every site is going to want something non-generic :-)
11:17 Dyrcona Sure, but sites can always customize it in the usual way.
11:18 Dyrcona I'm planning to delete the site-specific stuff or modify to something generic if it looks like something should be there.
11:19 Dyrcona I'm still looking at terranm's first commit and pondering editing it right after cherry-picking it so I don't forget the stuff that I want to undo.
11:26 Dyrcona "Ooh, my head." csharp: I see what you mean. One of these commits totally replaces resister.tt2 with Quipu.
11:26 Dyrcona I may skip that one.
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11:51 Dyrcona Y'know, I may just start with csharp's working branch.  More investigation after lunch.
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13:41 dluch 20 minute notice for today's DIG meeting!
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13:47 csharp @who can DIG it?
13:47 pinesol collum can DIG it.
13:50 dluch Lol
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13:59 HomerPublicLibra Good morning! HomerPublicLibra is Kevin Co from the Homer Public Library.
13:59 dluch Hi Kevin!
14:00 dluch Starting the DIG meeting now...
14:00 dluch #startmeeting 2021-05-06 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting
14:00 pinesol Meeting started Thu May  6 14:00:39 2021 US/Eastern.  The chair is dluch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 pinesol Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now  (Meeting topic: 2021-05-06 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:00 pinesol The meeting name has been set to '2021_05_06___documentatio​n_interest_group_meeting'
14:00 dluch #topic Agenda
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now Agenda (Meeting topic: 2021-05-06 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:01 dluch #info The agenda can be found here:  https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=​evergreen-docs:dig_meetings:20210506-agenda
14:01 dluch Welcome everyone!  Today's meeting will be business, followed by collaboration and working on documentation, if there's time
14:01 dluch #topic Introductions
14:01 Topic for #evergreen is now Introductions (Meeting topic: 2021-05-06 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:01 dluch Please paste "#info <username> is <name>, <affiliation>" to identify who you are and what organization, if any, you represent.
14:01 dluch #info dluch is Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS
14:02 alynn26 #info alynn26 is Lynn Floyd, Evergreen Indiana
14:02 jihpringle #info jihpringle is Jennifer Pringle, BC Libraries Cooperative (Sitka)
14:03 mantis #info mantis is Gina Monti, Bibliomation (Connecticut)
14:05 dluch Thank you all for coming! If you come in later, feel free to introduce yourself when you arrive.
14:05 dluch #topic Helpful Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration
14:05 dluch #info You can find the Documentation Needs List at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php​?id=evergreen-docs:documentation_needs
14:05 dluch #info DIG Roles can be found at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=evergreen-docs:digparticipants
14:05 Topic for #evergreen is now Helpful Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration (Meeting topic: 2021-05-06 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:05 dluch #topic Old and Ongoing Business
14:05 Topic for #evergreen is now Old and Ongoing Business (Meeting topic: 2021-05-06 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:06 dluch #info Check-in - How's everyone doing?
14:06 alynn26 Getting ready for the Conference.
14:06 dluch Yay!
14:07 dluch I'm bummed today because the weather keeps going between sunny and cloudy, and I just wish it would pick one or the other. :-P
14:07 jihpringle we upgrade to 3.7 in less than two weeks, so I'm deep into updating our docs :)
14:07 dluch (preferably raining, but I think it's going to miss us)
14:07 dluch Ooo, good luck with everything, jihpringle! Hope it all goes smoothly!
14:07 alynn26 yeam, it's doing that here also
14:08 alynn26 Good luck jihpringle
14:08 jihpringle thanks!
14:09 mantis This is my first meeting.  Wanted to see what was going on so I can join after the conference and take a look at beginning projects you all might need help with.
14:09 HomerPublicLibra First time here! Thankful for all the evergreen documentation that is available out there.
14:10 dluch Yay, mantis and HomerPublicLibra! Glad you're here!
14:10 alynn26 Welcome one and all.
14:11 dluch #info Previous Action Items
14:11 dluch How are these coming?
14:11 dluch I'll take them in order...
14:11 dluch 1. sandbergja will make a video for proof of concept in the Quick Starts section
14:12 dluch I don't think sandbergja is here today...so I'll carry that one over again
14:12 dluch #action sandbergja will make a video for proof of concept in the Quick Starts section
14:12 dluch 2. https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=ev​ergreen-docs:how-to-contribute-documentation has fixme tags that need to be addressed
14:12 dluch I see there are still a couple of Fix Me! tags on that page. I looked at them a little bit in March, but had too many questions to do any. Have any of the "Fix Me!"s gotten done or new ones added in the last two months?
14:13 dluch I'm going to take that as a "no", lol...
14:13 alynn26 As for the How to contribute page, Blake and I are working that in to the actual documentation.  Not just on the wiki.
14:14 dluch #action https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=ev​ergreen-docs:how-to-contribute-documentation has fixme tags that need to be addressed
14:14 dluch alynn26: Bmagic mentioned that to me this morning--that's awesome!
14:14 jihpringle agreed - that's great!
14:15 Bmagic I just finished my branch for that
14:15 alynn26 With a much easier way to contribute to the GitHub also.
14:15 dluch I think it'll be really helpful to have the info there, as well as on the wiki--more accessible
14:15 dluch Woot! I can't wait!
14:15 Bmagic https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1927534
14:16 pinesol Launchpad bug 1927534 in Evergreen "Docs: Need documentation on how to contribute Documentation" [Undecided,New]
14:16 alynn26 Just looking at it.
14:16 dluch So, we should all go put heat on it?
14:16 Bmagic I was going to just tag it "pullrequest" once I heard from alynn26 or anyone else
14:17 dluch Sounds good
14:18 dluch #info alynn26 and Bmagic are working in the information on how to contribute documentation into the documentation and have also worked out an easier way for people to contribute to GitHub
14:18 dluch (just so it's in the minutes :-) )
14:19 dluch #info https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1927534
14:19 pinesol Launchpad bug 1927534 in Evergreen "Docs: Need documentation on how to contribute Documentation" [Undecided,Confirmed]
14:19 dluch 3. dluch and jweston will look at the wiki's Documentation Needs List (linked at the beginning) to ensure that undocumented features listed are still relevant in the 3.6 context. Also, go through 3.6 and see what other documentation is missing from it.
14:19 dluch jweston has done this and created a document which I have not done anything with at all, I'm sorry. jihpringle, did you do any work on it?
14:20 jihpringle I am have not :(
14:20 dluch Okay, no worries.
14:20 jihpringle it's still on my to do list but I won't have time until after the conference
14:20 alynn26 Now we also need to work on 3.7
14:21 jihpringle we'll have 3.7 docs that can be copied on May 17th
14:21 dluch #action  dluch and jweston and jihpringle (and anyone else who wants to) will look at the wiki's Documentation Needs List (linked at the beginning) to ensure that undocumented features listed are still relevant in the 3.6 context. Also, go through 3.6 and see what other documentation is missing from it. And also 3.7.
14:22 alynn26 jihpringle++
14:22 dluch Thanks, jihpringle! That will be awesome.
14:22 dluch jihpringle++
14:22 dluch 4. Bmagic will add “email us about this page” link to all pages
14:22 dluch Bmagic?
14:24 dluch Oh, BTW, that previous action item would be something fairly easy for new folks to help with, mantis and HomerPublicLibra. :-)
14:24 Bmagic yep
14:24 Bmagic That is done
14:24 dluch Bmagic++
14:24 Bmagic each and every page has that in the footer, AKA: https://docs.evergreen-ils.org/eg/docs/la​test/shared/about_this_documentation.html
14:25 dluch Great, thank you! I'll take that action item off.
14:25 mantis dluch: The beginner's section of the list looks very achievable thanks for compiling that!
14:25 dluch mantis++
14:26 dluch Okay, moving on from previous action items...
14:26 dluch #info Online Conference
14:26 dluch The Evergreen International Online Conference is May 24-27, with the Hackfest on the 28th. For more info, including the registration link, see the conference website: https://evergreen-ils.org/conference/2021-​evergreen-international-online-conference/
14:26 dluch sandbergja is going to do a docs process presentation. alynn26 and Bmagic are doing a preconference on Antora. Anything else folks want to talk about for the conference?
14:27 dluch We are also going to have lightning rounds during the conference, so if anyone has any short docs-related things they want to present, keep that in mind! (Does anyone have any ideas?) Often, we do a DIG plug in lightning rounds. Shall we again? I'm happy to do so, but also happy to let someone else do it. alynn26 often does it...
14:28 dluch :-D
14:28 Bmagic dluch for lightning round! Here here
14:29 alynn26 dluch++ for lighting round
14:29 dluch Alrighty, lol
14:29 dluch #action dluch will sign up for a lightning round slot to do a DIG plug
14:29 alynn26 If you want my slides from previous ones let me know.
14:29 dluch alynn26++
14:30 dluch #info Ideas for future Zoom sessions
14:30 dluch At the February meeting, we talked about some ideas of program topics for future Zoom meetings, in addition to some being just open for all collaboration. Here's what we came up with then:
14:30 dluch -Doc show & tell
14:30 dluch -Ask us anything
14:30 dluch -Have a presenter who knows about something we need to document and can demo/answer questions
14:31 dluch We haven't actually scheduled any of these yet.
14:31 dluch So far, our Zoom DIG meetings have not been well attended. Should we go ahead and try scheduling sone of these things and see if more folks show up? Are people just Zoomed out right now and interested in a break--or a return to collaboration on IRC?
14:31 dluch I don't necessarily feel comfortable asking someone to do a presentation and then only have one person show up for it. But if we think people aren't showing up because we're not having a "program" other than collaboration time, maybe we should schedule something.
14:32 jihpringle I think if we had something scheduled for the June meeting that we could talk up at the conference we might get better attendance
14:32 alynn26 i think people do not realize we are having them via Zoom. I think some may think we are only using IRC.
14:33 jihpringle agree alynn26
14:33 alynn26 I think some more publicity may help.  Also making sure that the Google Calendar is up to date with where we are meeting.
14:33 dluch jihpringle and alynn26 Good points. We had talked about skipping the June meeting, but if we have something set up we can promote at the conference--sessions, lightning round, hackfest--maybe that would be better
14:34 alynn26 Maybe in the lighting talk, mention we are having meetings in zoom.
14:34 dluch I can definitely do that
14:35 alynn26 What is one piece of documentations that is needed that we can easily do in an hour but has not been done yet.
14:35 alynn26 Or, something new to 3.7.
14:36 dluch What about something like a 3.7 docs show & tell for June? jihpringle, would you be willing to help/do something like that, since you will have just finished them? Maybe just highlight a new thing in 3.7?
14:36 alynn26 And we can then push the for inclusion in Master.
14:36 alynn26 s/the/ the docs
14:37 dluch And anyone else who's worked on 3.7.
14:37 jihpringle yup, I'd be happy help with that, I just might be a few minutes late for the June call - I have another call right before
14:37 alynn26 I've looked at it. I know Ruth is presenting on it at the conference.
14:37 dluch jihpringle++
14:38 dluch We can always start the meeting with introductions and pet show & tell and stuff like that. :-D
14:38 jihpringle :)
14:38 jihpringle We could do Hopeless Holds if we want something smallish but new
14:39 dluch alynn26++ That's true, both Ruth and abneiman are presenting on 3.7 new features so may be willing to help, too
14:40 dluch Ooo, that would be a good one, jihpringle! Smallish, new, and exciting
14:40 alynn26 I like hopeless holds.
14:40 jihpringle if you haven't seen it yet we have a 1 minute video on it - https://youtu.be/Sf6DISXuEu0
14:40 dluch jihpringle++
14:42 dluch #info DIG will have a June meeting on Zoom focusing on the Hopeless Holds feature in 3.7
14:42 dluch That's all I have for old or ongoing business to discuss. Anything I missed that someone would like to talk about?
14:43 dluch Okay, moving on...
14:43 dluch #topic New Business
14:43 Topic for #evergreen is now New Business (Meeting topic: 2021-05-06 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:43 dluch #info Hackfest topics/Projects
14:44 dluch I think we've done some of this above. However, what are some things we want to tackle during the hackfest on the 28th? People can always come and work on their own thing, but it also usually helps for us to have one or more things we want to focus on. Also, do we want to have any kind of formal DIG orientation, or are the two conference programs enough, do we think?
14:44 dluch Please discuss. :-)
14:46 jihpringle I think it would be good to have some kind of short formal orientation - going on the hopeful assumption that we'll have more new people come
14:46 alynn26 I don't think a formal DIG orientation would be necessary. Now, if someone wants we can do the Asciidoc in 5 minutes or less presenation.
14:47 alynn26 I think it will depend on the crowd.
14:47 jihpringle I'm envisioning something along the lines of welcome to DIG, here's where you can find information, this is when/where we meet etc.
14:47 jihpringle I agree, it will depend on the crowd
14:48 dluch Okay, lol, so how about I have a little "intro to DIG" planned in the instance that we have some totally new folks, and if we don't, we can skip it. And, yes, seems like Asciidoc quick tour could also be helpful, based on who comes.
14:48 jihpringle that sounds good
14:48 dluch I'm okay with playing it fast and loose, as long as everyone else is. ;-)
14:49 dluch #info Docs PDFs
14:49 jihpringle should we have a 3.7 manual set up ahead of the hackaway?  (I'm not entirely clear what we need to do for that)
14:49 alynn26 the hackfest at the conference is usually fast and loose.
14:49 dluch Sorry, jumped the gun
14:50 dluch jihpringle: Like, what needs to be documented in 3.7 still? Or something based on what you've done? Not sure what you mean
14:50 abneiman Sorry, my appointment ran way long - I'll read scroll back & feel free to toss me action kittens
14:50 alynn26 with antora it works a little different.  When the release is cut, the manual is cut also. We will need to backport things to 3.7
14:50 abneiman Omg items, action items, thanks phone
14:50 jihpringle https://docs.evergreen-ils.org/
14:51 jihpringle maybe we just need to be adding a 3.7 link here?
14:51 dluch abneiman, LOL. I like action kittens
14:51 alynn26 No, what needs to happen is that needs updating.  To say 3.6 Forward or some such.
14:52 dluch That sounds fairly straightforward
14:52 jihpringle I can get to a version that says it's 3.7 through the 3.6 doc
14:52 jihpringle https://docs.evergreen-ils.​org/eg/docs/3.7/index.html
14:52 jihpringle (I assume at this point it's likely identical to 3.6)
14:52 alynn26 Yes, it is.
14:53 dluch Yep
14:54 jihpringle but since 3.7 is now released should we have the link to it so that is someone is looking for 3.7 they'll find something?
14:54 abneiman 3.7 should have the stuff I added for EOLI features - and a handful of minor fixes.
14:54 abneiman So not totally identical to 3.6
14:55 dluch Yeah, I like the idea of having the direct link for 3.7
14:55 dluch abneiman++
14:55 Bmagic The differences between "latest" and "3.7" today, are pretty much nill
14:55 Bmagic As master continues to grow away from 3.7, that will change
14:55 jihpringle who has access to add the link to the website?
14:56 alynn26 We need to make sure we include milestones in the Lauchpad bugs when we add the documentation.
14:56 Bmagic I'm pretty sure I can edit that page
14:56 abneiman Yes alynn26 +1 to LP milestones
14:56 jihpringle also, we'll need to pick a new topic for June Hopeless Holds is already in the 3.7 version - I assume from abneiman
14:58 abneiman I think that actually went in for 3.6 but yes, it exists 🙂
14:58 dluch Ah, yes!
14:59 dluch We are approaching an hour. I don't mind continuing, but I want to be mindful of y'all's time. I know Bmagic has another meeting to get to, and others may, too.
15:00 Bmagic I vote that we update that page to say "3.6+" and it links to "latest" maye with a note about "you can change the version of the documentation in the bottom left"
15:00 dluch Some of the other things in new business we can move to the discussion list and/or the conference, if people prefer to end now.
15:01 dluch Bmagic, a note once they get to the latest docs or on the website page?
15:02 Bmagic "If you are looking for documentation for 3.6 and any version after that, click here"
15:02 Bmagic "You can change the version within this modern version of Evergreen documentation"
15:02 jihpringle in the bottom left corner"
15:03 Bmagic I'm in another meeting atm, sorry if I'm distracted
15:03 dluch "In this version of Evergreen documentation, you can change the version in the bottom left corner"
15:03 jihpringle perfect :)
15:04 csharp @blame Bmagic's other meeting
15:04 pinesol csharp: Bmagic's other meeting stole bshum's tux doll!
15:04 dluch or "In this Evergreen documnetation...."
15:04 alynn26 dluch+=
15:04 dluch :-)
15:04 alynn26 dluch++
15:05 dluch csharp lol
15:05 alynn26 I think we need it both places. Because do we really want to continue to remember to update the webpage everytime.
15:05 dluch Okay, so Bmagic can edit the website with that, unless someone else has edit access and wants to?
15:06 alynn26 We do seem to forget about it.
15:06 HomerPublicLibra You guys are awesome. Soaking it all in.
15:06 dluch Aww, thanks, HomerPublicLibra!
15:07 alynn26 I was thinking for the June meeting, How about something that has not been documented, but needs to be.  Maybe something like the Transit List.
15:08 jihpringle or we could do searching the new staff catalogue - I'm not seeing anything about the catalog preferences, keyword, numeric etc. searches
15:08 jihpringle Transit List would also be a nice contained feature
15:08 dluch Both good ideas!
15:09 alynn26 Transit list have been on my to do list.
15:09 dluch (I think I've done Transit List documentation...wlil have to go look. Maybe I just thought about it, lol.)
15:10 alynn26 I have thought about it a couple of times.
15:10 dluch Well, that sounds fine to me for June
15:10 jihpringle we have it but it's never made it back to the community docs - http://docs.libraries.coop/​sitka/_transit_list_2.html
15:11 alynn26 That is a good example then, because it shows that we can pull from other documentation into Evergreen
15:12 alynn26 jihpringle, are you still using docbook or did you switch to asciidoc
15:13 dluch So that also builds on sandbergja's conference presentation about the process of editing/contributing docs start to finish and on alynn26 and Bmagic's preconference
15:13 jihpringle we code in asciidoc and generate in docbook
15:13 dluch Which would be cool
15:14 dluch So...consensus on Transit List then, using jihpringle's existing docs?
15:14 jihpringle alynn26: I think our github repository is public - https://github.com/BCLibCoop/sitka-manual
15:14 jihpringle Transit Lists sounds good to me
15:15 alynn26 Forking it now.
15:16 jihpringle our master branch is currently a mix between 3.5 and 3.7 (depending on which pieces we've updated so far)
15:16 dluch Oh, I forgot #action Bmagic will edit the docs homepage to say "If you are looking for documentation for 3.6 and any version after that, click here" and the docs to say "In this Evergreen documentation, you can change the version in the bottom left corner"
15:16 jihpringle we also have a separate repository for our acq manual - https://github.com/BCLibCoop/acq-manual
15:17 alynn26 That is the one I need to read.
15:17 dluch #info The June DIG meeting instead will focus on documenting Transit List and use jihpringle's documentation to demonstrate pulling other documentation into Evergreen
15:19 dluch Okay, so we're now at almost 20 after the hour. There are two more items of new business, one of which requires Bmagic, and neither of which are super-time-critical. Shall we continue or save them for another meeting/the conference?
15:21 dluch Hearing nothing, I'm making the executive decision to table them
15:21 jihpringle sounds good :)
15:21 dluch I feel like the pdf one might be a better "in person" discussion for the conference, anyway
15:22 dluch Alrighty!
15:22 alynn26 I think both of those would be better at the conference. May be part of hackaway discussion.
15:23 HomerPublicLibra Looking forward to the conference!
15:23 dluch Thanks for being here, everyone! I look forward to (hopefully) seeing you at the conference and hackfest! Our next non-conference meeting will be on June 3, on Zoom.
15:23 dluch #endmeeting
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15:23 pinesol Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2021/evergreen.2021-05-06-14.00.txt
15:23 pinesol Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2021/evergreen.2021-05-06-14.00.log.html
15:23 jihpringle dluch++
15:25 abneiman dluch++
15:26 alynn26 dluch++
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15:27 mantis dluch++
15:27 Bmagic dluch++
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16:08 Dyrcona Some quick log grepping and dumping to files suggests that we are getting more 'not connected to the network' errors since the upgrade to 3.5 last month. It's hard to say because the numbers seem to vary a lot month to month.
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17:14 mmorgan Dyrcona: Parting thought for the day, I'm sure we got more not connecteds after an upgrade, pretty sure it was to 3.5.
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18:00 pinesol News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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