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06:01 pinesol News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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12:10 Dyrcona Sometimes the cascade in cascading style sheets causes more issues than it solves.
12:10 rfrasur As is the case with many cascading things.
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12:19 Dyrcona Why are there different styles for the same thing?
12:20 * Dyrcona is frustrated by dealing with "legacy" customization.
12:21 csharp too many cooks?
12:27 Dyrcona csharp: Yeah, looks like, but things are "fixed" now.
12:27 Dyrcona I think some "experimental" stuff got left in an old git branch and ended up affecting this.
12:27 csharp ah
12:31 Dyrcona Colors on some of the MyOPAC preferences tabs were hard to read and one page is just bizarre. I wonder why no patrons ever complained?
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13:32 Dyrcona @decide UTC or America/NewYork
13:32 pinesol Dyrcona: go with America/NewYork
13:32 Dyrcona Ok. Guess I will.
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13:54 dluch Reminder that the DIG meeting will begin in 6 minutes
14:01 * rfrasur will be back soon for DIG
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14:01 dluch #startmeeting 2020-11-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting
14:01 pinesol Meeting started Thu Nov  5 14:01:44 2020 US/Eastern.  The chair is dluch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:01 pinesol Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:01 Topic for #evergreen is now  (Meeting topic: 2020-11-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:01 pinesol The meeting name has been set to '2020_11_05___documentatio​n_interest_group_meeting'
14:01 dluch #topic Agenda
14:01 Topic for #evergreen is now Agenda (Meeting topic: 2020-11-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:02 dluch #info The agenda can be found here:  https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=​evergreen-docs:dig_meetings:20201105-agenda
14:02 dluch Welcome everyone!  Today's meeting will be business, followed by collaboration and working on documentation, if there's time.
14:02 dluch #topic Introductions
14:02 dluch Please paste "#info <username> is <name>, <affiliation>" to identify who you are and what organization, if any, you represent.
14:02 dluch #info dluch is Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS
14:02 Topic for #evergreen is now Introductions (Meeting topic: 2020-11-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:02 kgmartin #info kgmartin is Katie Greenleaf Martin, Blair Co/SPARK PA
14:02 abneiman #info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Equinox
14:02 jweston #info jweston is Jennifer Weston, Equinox
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14:04 alynn26 #info alynn26 = Lynn Floyd,Evergreen Indiana
14:05 dluch Thank you all for coming! If you come in later, feel free to introduce yourself when you arrive.
14:05 dluch #topic Helpful Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration
14:05 dluch #info You can find the Documentation Needs List at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php​?id=evergreen-docs:documentation_needs
14:05 dluch #info DIG Roles can be found at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=evergreen-docs:digparticipants
14:05 Topic for #evergreen is now Helpful Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration (Meeting topic: 2020-11-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
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14:05 rfrasur #info rfrasur = Ruth Frasur, Evergreen Indiana
14:05 adurrence #info adurrence=April Durrence, NC Cardinal
14:05 dluch #topic Old and Ongoing Business
14:05 Topic for #evergreen is now Old and Ongoing Business (Meeting topic: 2020-11-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:05 dluch #info Check-in - How is everyone doing?
14:05 dluch How are things where you are?
14:06 alynn26 I am still working on the Survey documentation.
14:06 alynn26 Things are going good. Busy
14:06 dluch alynn26++
14:06 kgmartin I am doing well & have a bit of time this afternoon if anyone has a bitesize project idea :)
14:06 abneiman I took a covid test today since I was a poll worker for three days... my nose still hurts, lol (sorry for the TMI)
14:07 adurrence ouch!
14:07 dluch Awesome. kgmartin++
14:07 dluch Ugh, abneiman, i'm sorry!
14:07 abneiman eh, better safe than sorry
14:07 jweston abneiman++ for doing hero work at the polls
14:07 dluch I actually am still occasionally getting nosebleeds from the second one I had. (but not the other two)
14:08 kgmartin I was SO not prepared for how weird the brain swab is!
14:08 dluch abneiman++ for civic duty@
14:08 dluch !
14:08 abneiman brain_swab--
14:08 dluch for sure
14:08 rfrasur abneiman++
14:08 dluch How were things at the polls?
14:09 abneiman fine - busy. Everyone was pretty chill. No shenanigans (phew).
14:10 dluch That's good! Definitely phew. I didn't hear of anything around here, either, fortunately.
14:10 dluch Okay, let's keep moving...
14:11 dluch #info Previous Action Items
14:11 dluch How are we doing on these? Has anyone had time for anything?
14:11 dluch I'll take them in order...
14:11 dluch #1 sandbergja will make a video for proof of concept in the Quick Starts section
14:11 dluch I don't think sandbergja is on IRC right now...
14:11 dluch #action sandbergja will make a video for proof of concept in the Quick Starts section
14:12 dluch #2 dluch will update the style guide to reflect new header stuff
14:12 dluch I did not do this. But, abneiman, I think that was part of the wiki updating you did?
14:12 abneiman yes! I did sweep that up into my wiki updates
14:12 dluch Awesome, thank you!!
14:12 jihpringle #info jihpringle = Jennifer Pringle, BC Libraries Cooperative (Sitka)
14:13 dluch #3 dluch will send a message to the docs list to ask for video documentation contributions to the community YouTube channel
14:13 dluch I still did not do that. I will during collaboration time, if we have it. Sorry, lol
14:13 dluch #4 DIG will participate in the fall Hack-a-Way and particularly focus on 3.6 docs
14:13 dluch I'm going to skip this one, because we have an agenda item next up to talk about the Hack-a-Way
14:14 dluch #5 abneiman will update the wiki with new Antora info
14:14 dluch I know that abneiman did this - do you have anything you want to report about?
14:14 abneiman Style Guide is fully updated with info about header sytax, xref syntax, and a few other goodies
14:14 jweston abneiman++ nice job
14:15 dluch abneiman++++++++
14:15 jweston confirming link to style guide -- correct?  https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=evergreen-docs:dig_style_guide
14:15 abneiman I put a few fixme tags on this page because some of these steps need to be revised: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=ev​ergreen-docs:how-to-contribute-documentation
14:15 abneiman jweston: that's correct
14:16 dluch Beat me to it, jweston, lol
14:16 abneiman and there was one other thing (looking)
14:17 dluch abneiman, does someone need to volunteer to do the Fixme tags? Or can anyone do them? Is that something someone could work on today?
14:18 dluch I thought there was one other thing, too, but couldn't find it, lol
14:18 abneiman dluch: anyone can look at them but I think they would need a Bmagic or sandbergja to verify
14:18 dluch Okay, cool. Neither of them are here, so maybe we can revisit that next month?
14:18 abneiman ahhhh! it was this: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=evergreen-docs:github-workflow
14:19 abneiman I added a few Antora-y things to that page ^^ as well
14:19 dluch Yay!
14:19 kgmartin +abnieman ++ that will be super-helpful!
14:19 abneiman +1 to revisit next month. I didn't know which edits needed to be made, but I didn't want to leave it as accurate (because I know it isn't) so FIXME it is
14:20 kgmartin (with apologies for misspelling your last name)
14:20 abneiman :)
14:20 dluch #info abneiman added Antora info to these pages: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=evergreen-docs:dig_style_guide, https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=ev​ergreen-docs:how-to-contribute-documentation, https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=evergreen-docs:github-workflow
14:21 dluch #action https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=ev​ergreen-docs:how-to-contribute-documentation has fixme tags that need to be addressed
14:22 dluch abneiman++ Thank you so much!
14:22 dluch #info Hack-a-Way follow-up
14:22 dluch I ended up being out sick for a good part of the Hack-a-Way, so didn't get any 3.6 docs done. But the talk about Antora went well, I think, as did the DIG strategy session!
14:22 dluch Thank you to abneiman, alynn26, sandbergja, and Bmagic for keeping the DIG fires burning at the Hack-a-Way! (and anyone else I forgot!)
14:23 dluch abneiman++
14:23 dluch sandbergja++
14:23 dluch alynn26++
14:23 dluch Bmagic++
14:23 abneiman #info DIG strategy notes doc here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w8iJF9RhsZL0​XJ1JelQPquZIOMnjE9fOl14TyDl_bMc/edit?usp=sharing
14:23 dluch (and if you haven't heard, sandbergja saved us all! ;-( ))
14:23 dluch There were some tasks that came out of the strategy session, agenda/notes for which can be found at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w8iJF9RhsZL0​XJ1JelQPquZIOMnjE9fOl14TyDl_bMc/edit?ts=5f99ce7f
14:23 rfrasur Thanks to all of you did so much DIGging during the hackaway. This was the most informative one for me (ever) and much appreciated.
14:23 dluch Oops, lol. What abneiman said
14:24 dluch I'm going to add a couple of action items from the strategy doc there
14:24 dluch #action dluch and jweston will look at the wiki's Documentation Needs List (linked at the beginning) to ensure that undocumented features listed are still relevant in the 3.6 context. Also, go through 3.6 and see what other documentation is missing from it.
14:24 jweston abneiman++ alynn26++ Bmagic++ rfrasur++ and especially sandbergja++ (for, you know, saving us all) during hack-a-way
14:24 dluch #action abneiman will find and fix orphan pages and other nav issues
14:25 dluch #action Bmagic will add “email us about this page” link to all pages
14:25 dluch There are some other things on the document, but I think those were the main ones assigned to particular people that aren't already done.
14:25 dluch Did I miss any?
14:25 dluch rfruasur++ That's great to year!
14:25 dluch What else would folks like to say about the Hack-a-Way?
14:26 jweston Having a dedicated DIG session for the whole event was great (even though I didn't get there as often as planned)
14:27 abneiman I had put this in the agenda under new bix, but technically it's a followup from Hackaway and therefore really Old Biz: JBoyer has enabled the BOOPAC on Equinox's 3.6 public demo server
14:27 abneiman JBoyer++
14:27 dluch Yay! JBoyer++
14:27 jihpringle JBoyer++
14:27 dluch jweston: I liked that, too!
14:27 rfrasur It was weird and cool and sandbergja++ is basically amazing.  Her YouTube video about GitHub was super helpful.
14:27 jihpringle and abneiman++ for asking :)
14:28 rfrasur JBoyer++
14:28 jweston JBoyer++ enabling BOOPAC and abneiman++ for BOOPAC name
14:28 rfrasur BOOPAC++
14:28 kgmartin hehe
14:28 dluch rfrasur: Right?! I have that one bookmarked on my browser bar
14:28 abneiman I mean, I was just following established naming conventions ;-)
14:28 dluch lol BOOPAC++
14:29 dluch #info Antora update
14:29 dluch Other than things in the strategy document, anything else we need to talk about?
14:30 abneiman I can't think of anything right now, other than what's in the doc
14:30 dluch That's all I could think of, too
14:30 dluch Any other old or ongoing business to discuss?
14:31 dluch Okay, moving on...
14:31 dluch #topic New Business
14:31 Topic for #evergreen is now New Business (Meeting topic: 2020-11-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:31 dluch #info Change in meeting format
14:31 dluch This came up at the strategy meeting, than maybe we could do a Zoom/Meet/whatever meeting every other month, to have some "in person" discussions. There were votes for both doing business via video and collab time on IRC and vice versa.
14:31 dluch Discuss.
14:32 abneiman +1 to having a bimontly (or at least quarterly) F2F DIG meeting
14:32 kgmartin +1 screen sharing capability is nice for collaborative work as well
14:33 abneiman I lean slightly towards having collab F2F and kepe busincess on IRC (due to its minutes feature)
14:33 abneiman ....except without all the typos
14:33 dluch kgmartin and abneiman: that was kinda my thought, too. Might be easier to work on stuff together
14:34 dluch Plus Meetbot is the bomb
14:34 jihpringle I think that makes sense and in the F2F we could do demos/presentations like some of the other interest groups are doing as well as collaboration
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14:34 dluch jihpringle++ that's a great idea!
14:35 abneiman jihpringle++
14:35 jweston +1 to all suggestions -- bus meetings on IRC and F2F for planned collaboration & screen sharing meetings (bimonthly or quarterly)
14:35 kgmartin jihpringle++
14:35 abneiman love the ideas of doing demos, especially for new diggers
14:35 rfrasur also +1 to all suggestions
14:35 dluch Okay, so can we just do this by acclaimation, or does anyone feel the need for a formal vote?
14:35 kgmartin We have been doing demos and collaborative work sessions for the cataloging group in SPARK and it's quite nice.
14:36 dluch [I'm all for acclaimation, lol.]
14:36 dluch kgmartin: Cool!
14:36 abneiman as long as we document the decision (no pun intended) +1 for acclaimation
14:36 jweston +1 acclaimation
14:37 jihpringle and we'd have the options to record the F2F as well (being able to watch the cat working groups ones that I couldn't attend has been great)
14:37 jihpringle +1 to acclaimation
14:37 alynn26 +1
14:38 dluch #info DIG decided by acclaimation to moving to having months with collaboration meetings using a F2F/screen sharing platform and business meetings on IRC
14:38 dluch (I think there's a different tag, but I can't remember it...)
14:38 rfrasur #results?
14:39 dluch Oh. #agreed DIG decided by acclaimation to moving to having months with collaboration meetings using a F2F/screen sharing platform and business meetings on IRC
14:39 * rfrasur shrugs
14:39 rfrasur dluch++
14:39 dluch I think. lol
14:39 dluch Cool. I have access to both Zoom and Meet. Anyone have a preference?
14:40 abneiman I can also offer Meet, as well as GoToMeeting
14:40 dluch Or, we could try one next month, then the other in January
14:40 dluch I mean, February
14:40 dluch (Holy $#@#, y'all, it's almost 2021)
14:41 jweston bright side - that means 2020 is almost over
14:41 * rfrasur laughs
14:41 jihpringle :)
14:41 abneiman December DIG year-end F2F meeting & social hour?
14:41 dluch definitely a good thing
14:41 rfrasur social week?
14:41 dluch Oooo, abneiman++
14:41 kgmartin abneiman++
14:41 abneiman lol rfrasur
14:41 alynn26 +1 for social hour
14:42 adurrence abneiman++
14:42 jweston abneiman++ excellent plan
14:42 dluch Cool! Let's do that.
14:42 dluch #agreed December DIG meeting will be F2F social hour!
14:42 rfrasur abneiman++ # you got the best ideas
14:42 dluch Okay, I'll set something up and send it to the DIG list.
14:42 abneiman and here I always thought I wasn't a vision person
14:43 dluch lol
14:44 dluch #info News Item: JBoyer has enabled the BOOPAC for the 3.6 public demo @ demo.evergreencatalog.com
14:44 dluch abneiman mentioned this in the hackaway discussion earlier, but here it is with an info tag.
14:44 dluch abneiman: Anything else we need to know related to this?
14:44 abneiman dluch: nope
14:45 dluch Sweet
14:45 dluch abneiman++ JBoyer++
14:45 dluch Is there any other new business we need to discuss?
14:46 dluch #topic Collaboration time
14:46 dluch What is everyone planning to work on today?  Please let us know here, and feel free to talk and work with each other.  If you'd like extra accountability, I can make an action item to show up in the minutes, but it's not necessary.
14:46 Topic for #evergreen is now Collaboration time (Meeting topic: 2020-11-05 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:46 dluch We have 15 minutes
14:47 dluch Here's the I made a list of ideas you can work on (alone or with others) if you don't already have something. I know it can be kind of overwhelming sometimes to know where to start.
14:47 alynn26 I will be sending a survey out about the Hack-a-way.
14:47 dluch Oops. *Here's the list I made...
14:48 abneiman I apparently missed a set of docs in my big 3.6 push so I'm going to correct the two missed ones and add them to my to-be-merged pile
14:49 dluch -your own priority projects
14:49 dluch -3.6 docs
14:49 dluch -experimental catalog docs
14:49 dluch -cleaning up old docs tickets on Launchpad
14:49 dluch -finding docs tickets on Launchpad to work on
14:49 dluch -easy tasks from Documentation Needs List
14:49 dluch -auditing and removing finished or irrelevant items from the Documentation Needs List and/or adding 3.6 documentation needs
14:49 dluch -still-relevant items from the Documentation Needs List (be sure to assign yourself to it so we don't duplicate work)
14:49 dluch -documentation-related short videos for the community YouTube channel
14:49 dluch -looking through existing docs for things that need updating - text and/or images
14:49 dluch alynn26++
14:49 dluch abneiman++
14:49 jweston dluch++ great list -- saving for later :)
14:50 dluch I am going to go email the docs list about contributing video documentation, lol
14:50 dluch :-)
14:52 abneiman ... apparently I managed to get the image files in correctly but I failed to push the revised adoc. Go figure.
14:52 jweston alynn26 from hack-a-way list of old stuff not asciidoc'd, do you have updated doc for Local Admin --> Surveys?  someone asked me about that recently (don't remember who) but it would be good to add that back
14:54 adurrence I created 3 circ training modules with short videos, but not sure whether any would be useful to larger community. Anyone is welcome to take a look and leave a comment. Circ module 1: https://360.articulate.com/review/content/f​fa35550-08b9-4d2e-b66a-5f1a6bf86583/review
14:54 adurrence https://360.articulate.com/review/content/f​fa35550-08b9-4d2e-b66a-5f1a6bf86583/review
14:55 adurrence Circ module 2: https://360.articulate.com/review/content/e​72a5e39-5c66-4abd-917b-d6bba0f95ffc/review
14:55 jweston adurrence++ fantastic!
14:55 alynn26 jweston, I am currently working on an updated version of this.  I have it for before it was angularized.
14:55 adurrence Circ module 3: https://360.articulate.com/review/content/3​a9c12a0-118a-46e1-ae2a-fd0ab46d0858/review
14:55 dluch abneiman: Do you remember (I can't find it ATM in the Outreach Comm. meeting minutes)...if people have documentation videos to submit to the community YouTube channel, how are they supposed to do that? Send 'em to rhamby, or did we decide on a different workflow?
14:56 dluch adurrence++ awesome!!
14:56 adurrence Yes, rhamby said dropbox
14:56 adurrence I save it somewhere, I think :/
14:56 abneiman yeah, send to rhamby
14:56 abneiman adurrence++ # yay videos!
14:56 jihpringle adurrence those look really cool!
14:56 adurrence Thanks!
14:56 dluch abneiman: Thanks!
14:57 adurrence Feel free to share widely, if anyone you know would find useful!
14:58 adurrence If you think any of the videos would be good for EG YouTube channel or if they need reshoot or edit, let me know feedback good/bad, all okay!
15:00 jihpringle will do :)
15:00 dluch We are at time.
15:00 jihpringle for the experimental catalogue in 3.6 how do we want to handle the docs?  we originally talked about doing a separate section and calling it experimental but it's not anymore in 3.6
15:01 dluch Next meeting will be December 3. Face to Face!
15:01 dluch Thanks for coming, everyone! Feel free to continue working together.
15:01 dluch #endmeeting
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15:01 jweston jihpringle I still think a separate section is good to call attention to its newness -- just calling it Angular Staff Catalog
15:02 jihpringle perfect, Angular Staff Catalog.  I was blanking on what to call it other than experimental
15:02 abneiman jihpringle: well, for docs going into master / rel_3_6 there's actually no reason to keep the old staff catalog docs around
15:02 jihpringle thanks :)
15:02 abneiman dluch++
15:03 jweston dluch++
15:03 jihpringle since it's still an option to turn on the traditional catalogue I'd vote to keep those for now
15:03 jihpringle dluch++
15:03 adurrence dluch++
15:03 abneiman I think it's slated for deprecation in 3.7 though
15:03 jweston jihpringle +1 to keeping those for now and the doc can serve 3.5 & 3.6 for the most part
15:04 abneiman but it's not a hill I'll die on
15:05 jweston jihpringle abneiman if we have 2 separate sections (Angular Staff Catalog and old thing soon to be deprecated), we could take out the old thing when it disappears for good; does that sound reasonable?
15:05 jihpringle that sounds very reasonable :)
15:07 abneiman jweston: emminently reasonable!
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16:36 miker csharp: do you know OTTOYH if PINES is still using the "safe token" authz confirmation stuff for GALILEO?
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18:01 pinesol News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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