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06:00 pinesol News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
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08:14 Dyrcona berick: We didn't run out of RAM but a/t can't handle that many events. The whole thing blew up last night. I reset the collected events to pending and ran the a/t again. It blew up again later. I suspect we may have some patrons with so many items out that we're getting template output larger than our max stanza size.
08:15 Dyrcona This morning's overdues also blew up with less than 1,000 events. I'm going to focus on resolving those and then go back to "fixing" yesterday's.
08:15 Dyrcona Does anyone remember the message to look for when a message exceeds max stanza size? I tried grepping the logs for 'stanza', but that turned up stuff about someone named Constanza.
08:20 Dyrcona I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I think A/T is the wrong way to do overdues and lost. They ought to be standalone programs run from cron.
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08:23 Dyrcona csharp Bmagic: I missed the comment about adding indexes yesterday. I recall adding an index or two to speed things up, but I should look into that some more when I have time. (HA!)
08:31 Dyrcona Does anyone have a recommendation on what to do with events that are stuck in "cleaning" state? I'm going to leave them alone for now.
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08:39 Dyrcona Fascinating! Those "cleaning" events seemed to have been picked up by the --run-pending a/t runner that I started, or perhaps the one that we have scheduled to run regularly. I notice that they are no longer in the database. Perhaps they were being processed at the time, and I didn't notice.
08:40 mmorgan Dyrcona: Does this help re log messages? http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/​evergreen/2019-10-11#i_422319
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08:45 Dyrcona Going through the scroll back in my terminal, I can see that the numbers of the collected and complete states on the events were changing. I just didn't notice the first time because they changed so little.
08:46 Dyrcona mmorgan: Yes, that's helpful, and that's what I seem to recall. I'll check the gateway logs, but I'm less inclined to think that's my problem today.
08:46 Dyrcona I guess 32GB is not enough RAM for a utility server.....
08:48 Dyrcona We seem to have trouble with a/t events on a semi-annual basis. I recall having trouble with autorenewals around New Year.
08:49 Dyrcona Of course, this is exceptional, given that we've not run overdue notices since May, and we set the delay to go all the way back.
08:51 Dyrcona And, for the sake of the logs, there are no "XML stanza' messages in the gateweay logs from yesterday or today, and I'm not sure that these go through the gateway anyway.
08:51 mmorgan Dyrcona: That's a big chunk!
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08:51 Dyrcona I mentioned yesterday 172,852.
08:52 Dyrcona 86,426 each for email and print events.
08:52 Dyrcona This morning there 738 each, and they didn't finish until I reset the collected ones and started a new runner.
08:53 Dyrcona It really shouldn't take this long to process these. Again, I think A/T is too inefficient for this kind of batch processing.
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09:35 Dyrcona Well, no OOM Killer messages in the logs..... But, it appears to have stopped, again.
09:38 Dyrcona Two open-ils.trigger drones using 8.5GB each.
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10:51 berick gmcharlt: just checking if you meant to hold on to bug 1879335 before I grab it
10:51 pinesol Launchpad bug 1879335 in Evergreen "Manage Authorities Angular Port" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1879335 - Assigned to Galen Charlton (gmc)
10:52 gmcharlt berick: no, go forth and grab. I can push the current rebase branch now if you want it.
10:52 berick that's OK, I just finished rebasing locally, thanks though
10:52 gmcharlt okey-dokey
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11:57 * berick grabs 1217, 1218, 1219 (like a boss)
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12:01 jeff ERROR:  relation "action.circulatin" does not exist
12:02 berick action.circulatin'
12:02 gmcharlt berick++
12:04 jeff CREATE TEMPORARY VIEW "action.circulatin'" AS (SELECT * FROM action.circulation)
12:07 jeff (the joins and WHERE clause which limit to circ lib region, lat/long, subjects, or patron stat cat for dialect or accent are left as an exercise for the reader)
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12:19 pinesol Showing latest 5 of 24 commits to Evergreen...
12:19 pinesol [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1850547: Angular Acquistions Search - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=2d9ba44>
12:19 pinesol [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1850547: release notes for Angular Acquisitions Search - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4ec1e12>
12:19 pinesol [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1850547: (follow-up) fix 'New Selection List' button - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=6de7321>
12:19 pinesol [evergreen|Galen Charlton] LP#1850547: (follow-up) add a bit of spacing between two buttons - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=754deb4>
12:19 pinesol [evergreen|Bill Erickson] LP1850547 Stamping DB upgrade: Ang Acq Search - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=8ee3fa6>
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13:33 dluch Reminder that the DIG meeting begins here in 27 minutes
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14:00 dluch #startmeeting 2020-09-03 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting
14:00 pinesol Meeting started Thu Sep  3 14:00:08 2020 US/Eastern.  The chair is dluch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 pinesol Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now  (Meeting topic: 2020-09-03 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:00 pinesol The meeting name has been set to '2020_09_03___documentatio​n_interest_group_meeting'
14:00 dluch #topic Agenda
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now Agenda (Meeting topic: 2020-09-03 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:00 dluch #info The agenda can be found here:  https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=​evergreen-docs:dig_meetings:20200903-agenda
14:00 dluch Welcome everyone!  Today's meeting will be business, followed by collaboration and working on documentation, if there's time.
14:00 dluch #topic Introductions
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now Introductions (Meeting topic: 2020-09-03 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:01 dluch Please paste "#info <username> is <name>, <affiliation>" to identify who you are and what organization, if any, you represent.
14:01 dluch #info dluch is Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS
14:01 gmcharlt dluch: sorry to barge in, but I do have one update that's relevant but can't otherwise join the meeting - I will be merging the Antora branches definitely, tomorrow
14:01 dluch Awesome, thank you, gmcharlt!
14:01 jihpringle #info jihpringle is Jennifer Pringle, BC Libraries Cooperative (Sitka)
14:01 kgmartin #info kgmartin is Katie Greenleaf Martin, Blair Co Lib Sys in Central PA
14:01 abneiman #info abneiman = Andrea Buntz Neiman, Equinox
14:01 rfrasur gmcharlt++
14:02 abneiman gmcharlt++ # Antora FTW
14:02 rfrasur #info rfrasur = Ruth Frasur, Evergreen Indiana et al
14:02 Bmagic #info Bmagic = Blake GH, MOBIUS
14:04 dluch Thank you all for coming! If you come in later, feel free to introduce yourself when you arrive.
14:04 dluch #topic Helpful Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration
14:04 Topic for #evergreen is now Helpful Information: Documentation contributions and collaboration (Meeting topic: 2020-09-03 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:04 dluch #info You can find the Documentation Needs List at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php​?id=evergreen-docs:documentation_needs
14:04 dluch #info DIG Roles can be found at https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.p​hp?id=evergreen-docs:digparticipants
14:04 dluch #topic Old and Ongoing Business
14:04 Topic for #evergreen is now Old and Ongoing Business (Meeting topic: 2020-09-03 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:04 dluch #info Check-in - How is everyone doing?
14:04 dluch How are things where you are?
14:05 rfrasur Cray cray, but okay
14:05 dluch We're still working from home, and our COVID numbers have gone through the roof since the college kids came back to town.
14:05 abneiman dluch: I'm also in a college town and I am so grateful they opted for all-remote for the fall
14:06 abneiman as for me, the humidity is revolting here but otherwise we're mostly OK
14:06 dluch abneiman: that IS good. I haven't paid attention to the news this week, but last week the MU pres. said they weren't going to close because young people get over it quickly. *eyeroll
14:07 rfrasur Apparently the MU pres never missed two weeks of school and then tried to catch up while also living the "college experience."
14:07 abneiman "college students will totally responsibly socially distance" - people who have made careers out of working with college students, apparently
14:07 dluch I hear ya on the humidity. We were originally supposed to get some relief from it this weekend, but now it's been pushed to middle of next week. fingers crossed
14:07 dluch Lol. Exaclty
14:09 dluch jihpringle: how are things up where you are? Do you all get affected by all the Pacific coast area fires?
14:10 jihpringle we've been pretty lucky as far as fires this year, though we did have a thunderstorm with lightning that set off 5 fires on the mountains around me
14:10 dluch Yikes!
14:10 jihpringle a couple smokey days but nothing compared to the last few summers
14:10 dluch That's good. You have had some rough summers, for sure
14:11 jihpringle most of the fires were very far from any people or buildings so there was a lot of monitoring and waiting for rain to put them out
14:11 dluch I'm going to move on. But am not at all opposed to continued personal conversations. :-)
14:11 dluch #info Previous Action Items
14:11 dluch How are we doing on these? Has anyone had time for anything?
14:11 dluch I'll take them in order...
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14:12 dluch #1 sandbergja will make a video for proof of concept in the Quick Starts section
14:12 dluch I don't think sandbergja is here
14:12 dluch ?
14:12 sandbergja oh I just got here!
14:12 dluch Oh, yay! Greetings!
14:13 sandbergja Can you defer that until next time?
14:13 dluch Absolutely!
14:13 dluch #action sandbergja will make a video for proof of concept in the Quick Starts section
14:13 dluch #2 Bmagic is writing a script to identify places in Antora docs that need headers raised up a level. DIG will help with making the changes then.
14:13 dluch Bmagic?
14:14 Bmagic I'll be honest, though a full 30 days has gone by, I've not done anything for DIG. This line item, however, was done a couple of months ago
14:14 dluch Okay, cool. So are we at the place for DIG to make changes, or do we need to wait on some more to be done?
14:14 dluch And thanks! bmagic++
14:15 Bmagic The dev meeting did mention gmcharlt merging the antora branch. I've not seen that come through
14:15 gmcharlt Bmagic: scroll up
14:15 Bmagic :)
14:15 dluch He said earlier he's doing it tomorrow
14:15 dluch lol
14:15 Bmagic ty
14:15 abneiman and related to said, once Antora is merged, I have several docs commits lined up :)
14:16 dluch Okay, I'm going to remove that action item, then.
14:16 dluch abneiman: awesome!!
14:16 dluch abneiman++
14:16 dluch #3 dluch will update the style guide to reflect new header stuff
14:16 dluch I completely forgot about this again. Will keep it.
14:16 dluch #action dluch will update the style guide to reflect new header stuff
14:17 dluch #4 We will revisit the topic "#info Should the server-side generation script(s) be in the EG repo?" when scripts are done
14:17 dluch Are scripts done?
14:17 Bmagic yep
14:17 Bmagic that was also completed prior to last meeting
14:18 dluch Well, last meeting was working, so we didn't cover any of these things
14:18 dluch Okay, so " Should the server-side generation script(s) be in the EG repo?" Or is that done, too?
14:20 dluch Bueller?
14:21 Bmagic yep
14:21 Bmagic that is done, committed to the branch
14:21 dluch Awesome. Bmagic++
14:22 dluch I'll remove that action
14:22 dluch #5 dluch will start working on an Antora roadmap, with help from Bmagic and remingtron, that we can share with devs and others
14:22 dluch It seems like this is a moot point now? (And since we never got around to it at all--sorry!)
14:22 abneiman agreed that it seems moot since gmcharlt is preparing to merge it
14:23 dluch Great. Will remove the action
14:23 dluch #6 dluch will send a message to the docs list to ask for video documentation contributions to the community YouTube channel
14:23 dluch Lol, in my notes I have [SERIOUSLY, DO THIS BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.]
14:23 dluch But I didn't
14:24 dluch #action dluch will send a message to the docs list to ask for video documentation contributions to the community YouTube channel
14:24 dluch #info Antora progress
14:25 dluch As noted above, gmcharlt is merging Antora docs tomorrow! Yay!!!
14:25 dluch gmcharlt++
14:25 Bmagic gmcharlt++
14:25 dluch Anything else in Antora-land that we should talk about today? Or just wait until next time when it's all done?
14:26 abneiman are there any other changes to the style guide or instructions pages that are needed?
14:26 abneiman w/r/t Antroa
14:26 abneiman or even Antora
14:27 dluch Hmm. I don't know. When I update the style guide with the header stuff, I will check
14:28 abneiman dluch++
14:28 dluch (It will probably be next week, but I'm putting on my planner this time)
14:28 dluch #info Launchpad documentation cleanup
14:28 dluch During our collaboration time during the last meeting, we made a start at doing this. Has anyone had time in-between?
14:28 dluch abneiman: What is the procedure for these? If we find something, should people notify you? Is there a way to contact the bug wranglers in general? Or is removing tags and stuff something anyone can do?
14:29 abneiman I think anyone can add/remove tags
14:29 dluch Excellent
14:30 dluch abneiman++
14:30 dluch I know I looked at it a bit after last meeting, and that's the last time I thought about it
14:30 abneiman and absent a way to ping the Bug Wranglers in general, people can reach out to me if they have questions - either here in IRC or via email
14:31 dluch abneiman++
14:31 dluch #info 3.5/Experimental Catalog documentation
14:32 dluch I know jihpringle and maybe some others were working on these and/or contributing them. Any news?
14:32 jihpringle I'm plugging away at them in our docs and happy for anyone to take what I've done so far and strip out anything Sitka specific for teh community docs
14:32 jihpringle http://docs.libraries.coop/sitk​a/_experimental_catalogue.html
14:33 dluch Thank you!
14:33 dluch jihpringle++
14:33 dluch Any other old or ongoing business to discuss?
14:34 jihpringle it should be possible to pull the asciidoc files from our repository or I can always email the files to someone if that's easier
14:34 dluch Awesome, thank you for all your work!
14:34 dluch Okay, moving on...
14:35 dluch #topic New Business
14:35 Topic for #evergreen is now New Business (Meeting topic: 2020-09-03 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:35 dluch #info From CWG organizing committee: annual "DIG for Catalogers" training
14:35 dluch The CWG organizing committee is doing future planning and suggests having an annual "DIG for Catalogers" training like we did this year.
14:35 dluch Thoughts? Volunteers?
14:35 dluch jweston couldn't be here today, but says they have no particular date in mind and she's happy to help plan again
14:36 dluch It went really well this year, and it seems like a good idea
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14:37 jihpringle I think it's a great idea and could possibly help (depending on when it is)
14:37 dluch Awesome, thanks jihpringle!
14:38 dluch I also plan to help again
14:39 dluch Okay, well, I'll let jweston know, and the three of us can figure out a good date/time. It doesn't have to be during the normal CWG meeting, so lots of flexibility
14:39 dluch jihpringle++
14:39 dluch jweston++
14:39 jihpringle sounds good :)
14:39 dluch Is there any other new business we need to discuss?
14:41 dluch Okay, we have about 20 minutes left...
14:41 jihpringle are we planning to have a docs hackaway or something around the release of 3.6?
14:41 jihpringle It looks like quite a bit of new stuff is going to make it into 3.6
14:41 dluch I was assuming we would, as part of the onlie hackaway in October
14:42 rfrasur The EG Hackway (Oct. 26-28)could definitely accommodate a DIG component.
14:42 dluch rfrasur++
14:42 dluch Does that work for folks?
14:43 abneiman jihpringle: confirming that this is your repo? http://git.sitka.bclibraries.ca/gitweb/ if so, I can look at some of the angular catalog docs (during hackaway, probably not before)
14:43 dluch (It's my first Hackaway, and I'm excited!)
14:43 jihpringle abneiman: that's our old one
14:43 jihpringle https://github.com/BCLibCoop/sitka-manual
14:44 rfrasur As we get further along in the planning for that online event, we may need some more information about what DIG would like to do so we can configure rooms to meet those needs, but it shouldn't be any big deal at all.
14:44 abneiman jihpringle++ I thought some of those "last change" dates looked a little stale :)
14:44 rhamby a quick note that docs have traditionally been a part of the hack-a-way and unless there aren't folks doing it will continue to be
14:44 dluch rfrasur: Sounds good, thanks
14:44 dluch rhamby++
14:45 dluch #action DIG will participate in the fall Hackaway and particularly focus on 3.6 docs
14:45 abneiman dluch et al., noting that re 3.6 features, Equinox stuff will all have accompanying docs merged once I finalize them
14:45 dluch abneiman++
14:45 jihpringle abneiman++
14:46 dluch Any other new business?
14:46 dluch Okay, we have about 15 minutes left...
14:47 dluch #topic Collaboration time
14:47 Topic for #evergreen is now Collaboration time (Meeting topic: 2020-09-03 - Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:47 dluch What is everyone planning to work on today?  Please let us know here, and feel free to talk and work with each other.  If you'd like extra accountability, I can make an action item to show up in the minutes, but it's not necessary
14:47 dluch Also, for the last meeting, I made a list of ideas you can work on (alone or with others) if you don't already have something. I know it can be kind of overwhelming sometimes to know where to start.
14:47 dluch -your own priority projects
14:47 dluch -finishing 3.5 docs
14:47 dluch -experimental catalog docs
14:47 dluch -cleaning up old docs tickets on Launchpad
14:47 dluch -finding docs tickets on Launchpad to work on
14:47 dluch -easy tasks from Documentation Needs List
14:47 dluch -auditing and removing finished or irrelevant items from the Documentation Needs List and/or adding 3.5 documentation needs
14:47 dluch -still-relevant items from the Documentation Needs List (be sure to assign yourself to it so we don't duplicate work)
14:47 dluch -documentation-related short videos for the community YouTube channel
14:47 dluch -looking through existing docs for things that need updating - text and/or images
14:48 abneiman belatedly - I did have an item of new biz (apologies) - and it is that Outreach is going to be reviewing wiki pages for outdated info. I know that the DIG stuff is pretty well maintained, so this shouldn't affect its pages, but just as an FYI
14:49 dluch abneiman++ Thanks
14:49 dluch Still can't hurt to look through and see what we might no need anymore
14:49 dluch *not
14:50 abneiman akilsdonk has signed up to review most of the docs pages
14:50 dluch Great!
14:50 dluch akilsdonk++
14:50 dluch And I'm happy to help if she has any questions or anything
14:51 abneiman dluch++
14:52 abneiman sandbergja: I was going to drop a note on LP 1642023 saying that you & I had reviewed it during BSW and that I'm willing to signoff/commit if Lynn is finished with that (I don't see her in channel atm)
14:52 pinesol Launchpad bug 1642023 in Evergreen "Docs: Web Client Print / Receipt Templates" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1642023 - Assigned to Lynn Floyd (lfloyd)
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14:59 dluch We are at time.
14:59 dluch Next meeting will be October 1. Same bat time, same bat channel.  It will be primarily collaboration time.
14:59 dluch Thanks for coming, everyone!
15:00 rfrasur dluch++ # lots of progress.  Thanks.
15:00 jihpringle dluch++
15:00 dluch #endmeeting
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15:00 pinesol Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2020/evergreen.2020-09-03-14.00.log.html
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15:57 jeff phasefx: i was able to get freenode staff to remove the k-line. They suggested running identd to avoid that in the future, though with quassel I'm not sure that will help. There's probably a way.
16:26 phasefx jeff++
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17:52 pinesol [evergreen|Dan Briem] LP#1880028 Backdate Checkins Until Logout Option - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=4b590c3>
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18:00 sandbergja gmcharlt: (and other acq angularizers): a note that the course materials module branch includes a new component called <eg-marc-simplified-editor>, which might be helpful when you get to brief records in acq. Given some MARC tags/subfields/default data/indicators, it constructs a friendly-looking form without any MARC tags in sight.
18:00 pinesol News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live>
18:00 gmcharlt sandbergja++ # non-scary metatdata editing!
18:00 gmcharlt or less scary, anyway
18:01 gmcharlt thanks for the heads up!
18:03 JBoyer sandbergja++
18:03 JBoyer Calling 1220 and 1221 because holds
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18:36 pinesol [evergreen|Mike Rylander] LP#1841974: Allow adjusted proximity for age-protect - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=93811f4>
18:37 pinesol [evergreen|Jason Boyer] LP#1841974: Stamp Upgrade Scripts - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=69cb26e>
18:47 pinesol [evergreen|Tiffany Little] LP#1418694 Change wording for saving to selection list - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=50edaea>
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22:29 frank Hi all,
22:30 frank is there a kind of bug when I try to create a new marc record using a template? The values written o the xml file are not taken in the leader fields
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