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rjackson_isl |
good morning all - wondering if an admin with authority to kick off my rjackson_isl_hom could do so as it seems to be stuck for past day without me actually being logged in to it |
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Bmagic |
If we want SIP to verify a patron's pin number.... anything special required? Does that mean that the SIP connection needs to be done with the Patron's account? AKA the 93 message? |
| 11:33 |
berick |
Bmagic: that happens in the Patron Info message |
| 11:33 |
Bmagic |
the 63? |
| 11:33 |
berick |
yep |
| 11:34 |
Bmagic |
Just to clairify: The vendor logs into Evergreen SIP using a pre-configured SIP account. 93 msg -> 94 resp. Then the vendor would query a 63 msg -> 64 resp. And the PIN number is conveyed in the 63 somewhere? |
| 11:39 |
berick |
Bmagic: exactly |
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Bmagic |
ty |
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Bmagic |
berick++ # knowledge |
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jeffdavis |
Bmagic: downside is that SIP connections are unencrypted by default (you can tunnel over SSH if your vendor supports it) and the password is in plain text. The 64 response also includes personal info like name and home address/contact info so the vendor has access to all of that. |
| 11:52 |
Bmagic |
jeffdavis: yep, I wrote a raspberry pi app to help with that issue some time ago https://github.com/mcoia/evergreen_sip_proxy |
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jeffdavis |
ah nice |
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sandbergja__ |
grabbing 1214 |
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sandbergja__ |
actually, ungrabbing 1214 |
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sandbergja__ |
never mind! |
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terranm |
mrisher: I am trying to install this one again - https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1752356 |
| 12:22 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1752356 in Evergreen 3.4 "webclient offline : expired patrons should show date of block list download" [Medium,Confirmed] |
| 12:23 |
terranm |
I don't get any merge conflicts when I load it, but when I try to go to the offline page I get this console error: egLovefield.getOfflineBlockDate is not a function |
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terranm |
it's loaded onto https://terran-master.gapines.org/eg/staff if you want to see |
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mrisher |
terranm: how do I log in to that gapines.org page? |
| 12:34 |
terranm |
admin / open-ils |
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mrisher |
I loaded the branch onto my testing environment and am trying it out. I went to the offline circulation page and so far I'm not seeing any console errors. I'm using the branch in the last comment -- user/mrisher/lp1752356-offline-block-patron-exp-rebase |
| 12:35 |
mrisher |
thanks. I'll try that |
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terranm |
I cherry-picked both the top two commits on that branch, yours, then Bill's |
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mrisher |
confirming that I do get the console error you're talking about. I'm looking into what's causing this. |
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terranm |
mrisher++ |
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mrisher |
terranm: I think what's going on is an issue with git. Instead of cherry-picking the top two commits, try only cherry-picking this one commit https://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=working/Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=b029becb7736565cf3d28e048166a31e1e36e90b |
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terranm |
mrisher: thanks, I'll try that |
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mrisher |
\that commit should have all the work |
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mrisher |
my apologies if I perhaps the way I rebased it was confusing |
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terranm |
mrisher: still not working - I refreshed to master and confirmed that I can download the block list without the patch, then reapplied just that commit and it broke it again |
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mrisher |
terranm: so as soon as you visit the page you get that console error "egLovefield.getOfflineBlockDate is not a function" ? |
| 13:08 |
mrisher |
I'm investigating |
| 13:08 |
terranm |
Yes, thanks |
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agoben |
Reminder, the EOB/TEP board will be meeting in channel in about 30 minutes. |
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agoben |
#startmeeting EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-08-20, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2020-08-20 |
| 14:00 |
pinesol |
Meeting started Thu Aug 20 14:00:21 2020 US/Eastern. The chair is agoben. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #evergreen is now (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-08-20, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2020-08-20) |
| 14:00 |
pinesol |
The meeting name has been set to 'eob_evergreen_project_board_meeting_for_2020_08_20__agenda__https___wiki_evergreen_ils_org_doku_php_id_governance_minutes_2020_08_20' |
| 14:00 |
agoben |
#topic Roll Call |
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agoben |
Use the #info command to provide name and affiliation |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Roll Call (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-08-20, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2020-08-20) |
| 14:00 |
agoben |
#info agoben = Anna Goben, Evergreen Indiana |
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dluch |
#info dluch = Debbie Luchenbill, MOBIUS |
| 14:00 |
tlittle |
#info tlittle = Tiffany Little, PINES |
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JBoyer |
#info JBoyer = Jason Boyer, Equinox |
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jvwoolf |
#info jvwoolf = Jessica Woolford, Bibliomation |
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rhamby |
#info rhamby = Rogan Hamby, Equinox |
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gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, Equinox |
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jlundgren |
#info jlundgren = Jeanette Lundgren, CW MARS |
| 14:01 |
agoben |
COwens let me know he will be unable to attend. |
| 14:02 |
agoben |
paging nfBurton? |
| 14:02 |
terranm |
#info terranm = Terran McCanna, PINES |
| 14:02 |
agoben |
Hopefully he'll join us shortly. |
| 14:02 |
agoben |
#topic Approval of Minutes |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Approval of Minutes (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-08-20, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2020-08-20) |
| 14:02 |
agoben |
#info Minutes from 2020-07-16 meeting: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2020/evergreen.2020-07-16-14.00.html |
| 14:02 |
agoben |
Corrections, updates, suggestions? |
| 14:03 |
gmcharlt |
no suggestions |
| 14:03 |
JBoyer |
None here |
| 14:03 |
agoben |
#startvote Accept minutes from 2020-07-16? yes, no |
| 14:03 |
pinesol |
Begin voting on: Accept minutes from 2020-07-16? Valid vote options are yes, no. |
| 14:03 |
pinesol |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:03 |
agoben |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
JBoyer |
#vote yes |
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jvwoolf |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
tlittle |
#vote yes |
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jlundgren |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
dluch |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
gmcharlt |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
agoben |
#endvote |
| 14:03 |
pinesol |
Voted on "Accept minutes from 2020-07-16?" Results are |
| 14:03 |
pinesol |
yes (7): JBoyer, jvwoolf, tlittle, jlundgren, gmcharlt, dluch, agoben |
| 14:03 |
agoben |
#topic Chair Report |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Chair Report (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-08-20, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2020-08-20) |
| 14:04 |
agoben |
#info No updates here. |
| 14:04 |
agoben |
#topic Financial Report |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Financial Report (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-08-20, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2020-08-20) |
| 14:04 |
gmcharlt |
#info No outlays since the previous meeting |
| 14:04 |
gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt still working on getting tlittle added as bank account signatory |
| 14:05 |
gmcharlt |
#action gmcharlt will prepare draft tax return for review by September board meeting |
| 14:05 |
nfBurton |
#info nfBurton = Chris Burton, Niagara Falls Public Library |
| 14:05 |
gmcharlt |
as a side note, Karen from Conservancy inquiried about the status of the application for tax exempt status |
| 14:05 |
gmcharlt |
and is understanding about the IRS backlog |
| 14:05 |
gmcharlt |
fin |
| 14:05 |
agoben |
Thank you |
| 14:06 |
agoben |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:06 |
agoben |
#topic SFC Updates |
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Topic for #evergreen is now SFC Updates (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-08-20, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2020-08-20) |
| 14:06 |
agoben |
So, we already mentioned Karen checking in on the 1023 status, did you want to talk about the grant report? |
| 14:06 |
gmcharlt |
still on my plate to draft; will circulate prior to the September meeting |
| 14:07 |
agoben |
++ |
| 14:07 |
gmcharlt |
also, random late-breaking news: https://twitter.com/conservancy/status/1296507541174853632 |
| 14:07 |
agoben |
Did we work with Deb much? |
| 14:07 |
gmcharlt |
(just Conservancy's Director of COmmunity Operations moving on to a different open source organization) |
| 14:07 |
gmcharlt |
I don't think we had any significant contact with her |
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agoben |
Wish her well in her continued pursuits! |
| 14:08 |
gmcharlt |
mentioning it mostly because this literally just flew by my Twitter stream |
| 14:08 |
rfrasur |
#info rfrasur = Ruth Frasur, Indiana |
| 14:08 |
tlittle |
#info gmcharlt will draft and circulate grant report prior to September meeting |
| 14:08 |
agoben |
ok, up next then, release news |
| 14:08 |
agoben |
#topic Release Manager update |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Release Manager update (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-08-20, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2020-08-20) |
| 14:09 |
agoben |
I know feedback fest is on in addition to regular release stuff. Anyone have comments? |
| 14:09 |
terranm |
Feedback Fest is going great - 21 pullrequests signed off so far |
| 14:09 |
gmcharlt |
good feedback on a number of bugs |
| 14:09 |
gmcharlt |
terranm++ |
| 14:09 |
agoben |
Very nice! |
| 14:09 |
agoben |
terranm++ |
| 14:10 |
terranm |
We have a lot of things loaded on test servers that we need more testers looking at! |
| 14:10 |
dluch |
terranm++ |
| 14:10 |
jvwoolf |
terranm++ |
| 14:10 |
tlittle |
terranm++ |
| 14:10 |
* gmcharlt |
uses his non-existant powers of telepathy to make everybody look at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11MjEa8V8d7NYxVM3s1Ra1IOdbhZPFExoWiWDOAKEXoE/edit#gid=0 and pick up a bug to test |
| 14:10 |
JBoyer |
To testers: Feel free to ask questions if you're not sure how to test something or if you think it needs extra setup |
| 14:11 |
agoben |
Looking forward to seeing all of the that progress in production! |
| 14:12 |
terranm |
Also, there are a lot more pullrequests that aren't currently on a test server, so if anyone has one they really want to test, one of us can try to get it loaded |
| 14:12 |
agoben |
Alright, if there are no more updates on the releases/feedback fest, I'll move on to conferences and events. Best of wishes on the rest of the testing this week! |
| 14:12 |
agoben |
#topic Hack-A-Way Update |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Hack-A-Way Update (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-08-20, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2020-08-20) |
| 14:12 |
agoben |
#info Update available here: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/board/2020-August/000147.html |
| 14:13 |
agoben |
rhamby, anything else at this point? |
| 14:13 |
rhamby |
Nope, lots going on. We had a planning meeting that just ended 15 minutes ago and we've got a lot to do but a plan and getting it done. |
| 14:13 |
rhamby |
There will be a lot of emails and more communication coming out in the next three weeks. |
| 14:14 |
agoben |
Sounds excellent! |
| 14:14 |
agoben |
October is sneaking up remarkably fast... |
| 14:14 |
rhamby |
agreed |
| 14:14 |
dluch |
for real |
| 14:14 |
agoben |
#topic 2021 Conference Committee |
| 14:14 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now 2021 Conference Committee (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-08-20, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2020-08-20) |
| 14:14 |
agoben |
dluch, updates? |
| 14:16 |
dluch |
So, I got the info regarding the pandemic insurance. I'll be happy to forward the whole email thread, but the gist is that we could get "Event Cancellation Insurance" which would cover a number of things. BUT insurance companies are specifically exculding coronavirus from these policies as a "pre-existing" and publicly known thing. |
| 14:16 |
dluch |
So we didn't actually sign or apply for anything yet. |
| 14:17 |
tlittle |
So the "event cancellation insurance" doesn't cover covid, or just specifically pandemic insurance doesn't? |
| 14:17 |
agoben |
Maybe if they'd offer it on the basis of percentage of registrations not meeting expectation rather than "pandemic"? |
| 14:18 |
terranm |
insuranceindustry-- |
| 14:18 |
dluch |
event cancellation insurance we would have to add a "communicable disease" endorsement, but that also doesn't cover COVID. Or government lockdowns at any level. |
| 14:18 |
agoben |
Bleah. |
| 14:18 |
tlittle |
Okay, I see. Just wanted to make sure I was understanding. |
| 14:18 |
dluch |
insuranceindustry-- indeed |
| 14:19 |
gmcharlt |
to say nothing of conventionindustry-- |
| 14:19 |
dluch |
agreed |
| 14:19 |
JBoyer |
If "lack of attendance" allowed us to at least get enough out of them to cover the hotel's minimum requirements I'd be interested to know that cost. |
| 14:19 |
tlittle |
No kidding. Would agoben's suggestion be something to pursue? |
| 14:19 |
tlittle |
Yes, agree |
| 14:19 |
nfBurton |
Considering how much we sood to lose if we didn't have cooperation this year, what is our last date to commit |
| 14:19 |
JBoyer |
We don't need to know *why* no one is coming... |
| 14:20 |
agoben |
Yeah, frankly, I'm gathering it has less to do with COVID and more to do with local belt-tightening due to reduced funding so far. |
| 14:20 |
dluch |
I'll forward the email, but here's what it said about that... |
| 14:20 |
agoben |
Nothing good I'll wager. |
| 14:20 |
agoben |
:/ |
| 14:21 |
dluch |
Commitments – Previously up to an additional 20%, now up to an additional 25% above limit of indemnity for commitments under vendor contracts such as hotel room blocks. |
| 14:21 |
JBoyer |
nfBurton, dluch has the details but I believe we're already on the hook for a significant amount. |
| 14:22 |
agoben |
With the hotel, yes, but I think he's asking when we have to have the insurance in place if we get it |
| 14:22 |
gmcharlt |
skimming the initial contract, if we cancel between now and October 9th for reasons other than force majeure, the liquidated damages (i.e,. amount owed) is $59,144.00 + tax |
| 14:22 |
dluch |
But, again, I don't know if the insurance would accept just a "we didn't get enough revenue from people" if they also can point to COVID. But maybe... |
| 14:22 |
JBoyer |
Ah, oops |
| 14:23 |
gmcharlt |
and that goes up starting October 10th to $88,671, and $100,493.80 starting January 21st |
| 14:23 |
agoben |
So, if we're going to cancel outright, we may need to make that decision in the next month. |
| 14:24 |
dluch |
So the cancellation insurance in general might be a good idea, perhaps? |
| 14:24 |
agoben |
It'll wipe us out, but at least wouldn't run us too far into the red |
| 14:24 |
nfBurton |
Looking for both answers really. :D |
| 14:24 |
gmcharlt |
dluch: if we can get it on any terms |
| 14:24 |
gmcharlt |
or rather, any terms that are meaningful to us |
| 14:24 |
agoben |
dluch, I look forward to reviewing their terms. I think we should *if* there's any chance of actually benefitting, but don't want to throw good money after bad. |
| 14:25 |
tlittle |
I agree |
| 14:25 |
dluch |
agoben: I just forwarded you the email chain with all the deets. You can send it to everyone, if you want. (It was just faster to look up one person to forward, lol.) |
| 14:25 |
agoben |
That works, I'll send it to the private list for everyone to review. |
| 14:25 |
tlittle |
Let me throw some infos in here for the minutes... |
| 14:25 |
JBoyer |
tlittle++ |
| 14:26 |
tlittle |
#info If the contract with the venue is cancelled before Oct 9, the amount owed would be $59k. It goes up after that. |
| 14:26 |
dluch |
Donna also said that she's been following a discussion thread on the ICOLC list around event cancellations and what pretty much everyone has said is that they had to negotiate with the venues directly and try to work something out |
| 14:26 |
tlittle |
#info dluch will send the email thread concerning the contract to the Board list for review |
| 14:27 |
tlittle |
#info General consensus is to review if cancellation insurance would be beneficial and pursue if so |
| 14:27 |
gmcharlt |
dluch: that's a good point re negotiating the damges |
| 14:27 |
tlittle |
Please add any other infos if I left out anything particularly pertinent for the minutes |
| 14:28 |
tlittle |
Yeah |
| 14:28 |
terranm |
It is worth keeping in mind for future years to consider doing fewer tracks and/or days to reduce the overhead as well. |
| 14:28 |
dluch |
gmcharlt: Yes. At some places, if they agree to hold the next conference there the venues are willing to work it out, especially |
| 14:28 |
agoben |
Definitely worth the discussion. |
| 14:28 |
gmcharlt |
yeah, very reasonable for us to consider |
| 14:28 |
tlittle |
Yes, definitely. If this hasn't died down some by 2022 I will run screaming in the streets :) |
| 14:28 |
agoben |
Does anyone in channel think they'll have travel issues still next spring? |
| 14:28 |
gmcharlt |
especially... well, things can't remain this bad through 2022, right? |
| 14:29 |
dluch |
I have to hope not. *cries |
| 14:29 |
rhamby |
I'm checking the window for lightning. |
| 14:29 |
nfBurton |
I can't go over the border RN so.... |
| 14:29 |
* JBoyer |
decides now isn't the time for pessimists to talk |
| 14:29 |
tlittle |
We have some travel money in our budget now, but we're also under a travel ban and don't know what it's going to look like in the spring. So PINES is still a question mark |
| 14:29 |
nfBurton |
Unless that changes you can probably count out Canada lol |
| 14:29 |
agoben |
My agency is killing all travel through September 2021 at this point, so I don't know if I'll be able to attend |
| 14:29 |
gmcharlt |
fair to say that Equinox is a question mark as well |
| 14:29 |
jlundgren |
travel ban here too. Not sure what FY21 and 22 state budgets will bring... big ? for spring! |
| 14:30 |
agoben |
In that case, would it be wise to have dluch start the discussion with the venue now? |
| 14:30 |
gmcharlt |
dluch: by the way, is the venue running any events currently? |
| 14:30 |
nfBurton |
Even if travel is possible, I can imagine some libraries being uncomfortable sending staff so soon |
| 14:30 |
dluch |
No travel ban for Missouri [We're open for business! ugh.], but we're definitely not traveling this fall. |
| 14:31 |
dluch |
gmcharlt: I haven't checked that. Good question. |
| 14:31 |
gmcharlt |
agoben: yeah, I think we should get that discussion started |
| 14:31 |
dluch |
agoben: I can, definitely. Although from what Donna said from ICOLC list, we also may want/need to have our lawyer involved, too. |
| 14:32 |
agoben |
Is there interest in calling a vote to that end and what do we want in the negotiation? |
| 14:32 |
agoben |
Are we asking for a reduction in the event size or cancellation terms? |
| 14:32 |
tlittle |
Should we vote on on it now, or just ask dluch to do a fact finding mission? |
| 14:32 |
dluch |
tlittle: I'm in favor of fact-finding first |
| 14:33 |
dluch |
But am okay either way |
| 14:33 |
gmcharlt |
I would be in favor of cancellation out right or postponement to 2021, but agree that we should line up our ducks first |
| 14:33 |
agoben |
I'm fine with that, just wanted to give you something to work with in the wy of wishes |
| 14:33 |
nfBurton |
Yeah, it'd be nice to know the options they will give. |
| 14:33 |
gmcharlt |
so, maybe one motion to consider: drafting, not making it yet: |
| 14:34 |
dluch |
Okay, so I will explore what the hotel is doing and what options they'll give us and report back, then we can get the lawyer involved and cancel? |
| 14:34 |
dluch |
Oh, okay waiting, lol |
| 14:34 |
gmcharlt |
"TEP/EOB asks MOBIUS as contracting agency for the 2021 conference to investigation options for cancelling the venue contract prior to October 9th, with the board endorsing the option of agreeing to a postponement of the event to 2022" |
| 14:35 |
agoben |
I would accept that motion as written. Is there a second or further discussion? |
| 14:35 |
nfBurton |
Did we agree to a year for Atlanta? |
| 14:35 |
dluch |
*investigate |
| 14:35 |
dluch |
nfBurton: I don't think we had to |
| 14:36 |
tlittle |
So is our intent essentially to postpone / cancel the event? |
| 14:36 |
nfBurton |
Awsome. Just making sure |
| 14:36 |
tlittle |
Or are we still exploring our options? |
| 14:36 |
agoben |
Investigate our options to postpone/cancel |
| 14:36 |
dluch |
I know I'm feeling REALLY nervous about it |
| 14:36 |
dluch |
*about having it in person |
| 14:36 |
tlittle |
Okay. dluch I feel the same way, just wanted to be sure which way we're moving |
| 14:37 |
tlittle |
Then I will second the motion |
| 14:37 |
nfBurton |
I would second |
| 14:37 |
nfBurton |
Or third lol |
| 14:37 |
gmcharlt |
we can't absorb the losses if we determine in February that event can't happen but we don't have sufficient cover to invoke force majeure |
| 14:37 |
agoben |
#startvote TEP/EOB asks MOBIUS as contracting agency for the 2021 conference to investigate options for cancelling the venue contract prior to October 9th, with the board endorsing the option of agreeing to a postponement of the event to 2022? yes, no |
| 14:37 |
pinesol |
Begin voting on: TEP/EOB asks MOBIUS as contracting agency for the 2021 conference to investigate options for cancelling the venue contract prior to October 9th, with the board endorsing the option of agreeing to a postponement of the event to 2022? Valid vote options are yes, no. |
| 14:37 |
pinesol |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:37 |
gmcharlt |
#vote Yes |
| 14:37 |
nfBurton |
#vote YES |
| 14:37 |
agoben |
#vote yes |
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jvwoolf |
#vote Yes |
| 14:37 |
JBoyer |
#vote yes |
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dluch |
#vote yes |
| 14:37 |
tlittle |
#vote yes |
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jlundgren |
#vote yes |
| 14:37 |
agoben |
#endvote |
| 14:37 |
pinesol |
Voted on "TEP/EOB asks MOBIUS as contracting agency for the 2021 conference to investigate options for cancelling the venue contract prior to October 9th, with the board endorsing the option of agreeing to a postponement of the event to 2022?" Results are |
| 14:37 |
pinesol |
yes (8): nfBurton, JBoyer, agoben, tlittle, jlundgren, gmcharlt, dluch, jvwoolf |
| 14:38 |
agoben |
dluch, good luck with everything there! |
| 14:38 |
dluch |
Lol, thanks! |
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jvwoolf |
dluch++ |
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nfBurton |
dluch++ |
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gmcharlt |
dluch++ |
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jlundgren |
dluch++ |
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JBoyer |
dluch++ |
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agoben |
dluch++ |
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tlittle |
dluch++ |
| 14:39 |
agoben |
whew. Ok, onward. |
| 14:39 |
agoben |
#topic Outreach Committee |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Outreach Committee (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-08-20, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2020-08-20) |
| 14:39 |
agoben |
#info The Outreach report is available here: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/board/2020-August/000146.html |
| 14:39 |
agoben |
Any questions for rhamby? |
| 14:39 |
rhamby |
Nothing to add but welcome to take questions, disucssion. |
| 14:39 |
agoben |
Sounds like you've been busy! |
| 14:39 |
rhamby |
Given the above discussion chat about an electronic events is especially prudent, perhaps. |
| 14:40 |
rhamby |
And I know that's later on the agenda. |
| 14:40 |
agoben |
yeah |
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rhamby |
So I will stick around to be audience for it. |
| 14:40 |
agoben |
++ |
| 14:40 |
agoben |
ok, moving on then |
| 14:40 |
agoben |
#topic Unfinished Business : NFP Status - 1023 submission status |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Unfinished Business : NFP Status - 1023 submission status (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-08-20, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2020-08-20) |
| 14:40 |
agoben |
#info 1023 application is still pending. The IRS is now working on applications from March, so we should have something by next month. |
| 14:40 |
tlittle |
Progress! |
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agoben |
I was excited to see they're this much more caught up over last month! |
| 14:41 |
dluch |
Yay! |
| 14:41 |
agoben |
But hopefully in the next few weeks. |
| 14:42 |
agoben |
#topic Unfinished Business : Recommendations of the 2020 Online Conference Committee |
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| 14:42 |
agoben |
My number one concern is that I don't feel we can commit to funding anything until we know the impact of the 2021 conference on the community's funds. I very much like the idea of having an online platform that we can use at will for more regular programs, but we may need every cent we have to survive 2021. |
| 14:42 |
agoben |
Depending on how dluch's research goes, I think we'll be better positioned to make this call in October. |
| 14:42 |
tlittle |
Given the above discussion about cancelling, I agree |
| 14:42 |
gmcharlt |
agreed |
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JBoyer |
Agreed |
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agoben |
Beyond that, what are the recoomendations on who will pursue developing and leading all of the trainings and coordinating speakers since we don't have centralized project staff? |
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agoben |
That wasn't addressed in the recommendations, so I think we should try to get that addressed as well, whether it's a new committee or project lead. |
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dluch |
We've talked about it a little in Outreach, and I think we thought that having a subcommittee of Outreach would be a good idea, and it wouldn't have to just be Outreach Committee members on it. rhamby, did I have that right? |
| 14:45 |
rhamby |
Correct. |
| 14:45 |
rhamby |
Our thoughts were a smaller event than an online copy of the conference thoughh. |
| 14:45 |
agoben |
And that was my reading |
| 14:45 |
rhamby |
If the board wants to explore an entire one for one online replacement that might change the discussion a bit. |
| 14:46 |
rhamby |
Still, I suspect many of us on outreach would be happy to overlap and be a core of such a group. |
| 14:46 |
rhamby |
I won't speak for others individually but my hat is in the ring. |
| 14:46 |
dluch |
Yep, I'm in. |
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tlittle |
For the small events, what would the nominal fee be for? Just to reimburse some of the cost of the platform that TEP would (probably) be paying for? |
| 14:46 |
JBoyer |
I think a smaller event is reasonable, and does seem to be in the Outreach wheelhouse. |
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agoben |
Just want to be sure there's would be ongoing support |
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tlittle |
I'd also be happy to participate. |
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agoben |
I figured if there were speaker fees, that would also need to be covered by the participant fees |
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rhamby |
For a smaller event we would look at nominal fee to offset the cost of somethign like a Zoom lisence. |
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rhamby |
If there is a speaker fee, yes, that would have to go into the budget as well. For a smaller event we probably wouldn't seek out a paid speaker. For a full conference replacement, we probably would. |
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JBoyer |
And a second, smaller annual fundraiser would be welcome as our larger one is again going to suffer. |
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agoben |
And did I misunderstand? |
| 14:48 |
agoben |
I thought this was for multiple small events, not a formal conference. |
| 14:48 |
dluch |
Though, I guess, if the community is paying for a platform, we wouldn't need a separate zoom. |
| 14:48 |
rhamby |
The recommendation was for a smaller event. I was responding in part to what I read as "what if we wanted to dod an online full blown conference" |
| 14:49 |
agoben |
We'd still need to recoup the cost of the license, but it could be spread out over multiple events if there are multiple |
| 14:49 |
dluch |
Yes, so it wouldn't be a burdensome amount per event for folks |
| 14:49 |
rhamby |
I think we could pretty comfortably do two a year. |
| 14:49 |
tlittle |
Maybe we could do more focused mini-conferences--like a Technical Services conference, or Circulation, or whatever? Kind of the same way we have tracks at the full conference |
| 14:50 |
rhamby |
I was thinking general purpose but if we wanted to do them as topic spcific that's an interesting idea. |
| 14:50 |
dluch |
tlittle: There has definitely been call for something along those lines in conference feedback surveys |
| 14:50 |
nfBurton |
That could be interesting |
| 14:50 |
jvwoolf |
I like that idea |
| 14:50 |
dluch |
(They were more on the lines of directly targeted tracks at conference, but as mini-conferences that seems like it would work really well |
| 14:50 |
jvwoolf |
I think Islandora did something like that for their conference this year. Themed days. |
| 14:51 |
dluch |
That's what the MO library association is doing for our October online conference, too |
| 14:51 |
agoben |
Sounds like lots of good ideas there! |
| 14:52 |
agoben |
I suggest we table any spend then until we hear back from the venue in MO and see what we're able to do then? |
| 14:52 |
JBoyer |
Sounds reasonable |
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dluch |
Sounds good to me |
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gmcharlt |
+1 |
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tlittle |
+1 |
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nfBurton |
+1 |
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jlundgren |
+1 |
| 14:53 |
agoben |
Look forward to seeing it in action as soon as we're able then! |
| 14:53 |
agoben |
:) |
| 14:53 |
tlittle |
#info The Board will revisit the idea of a community platform after we get a response from the 2021 conference venue to determine upcoming project costs |
| 14:53 |
agoben |
Thanks, tlittle |
| 14:53 |
agoben |
#topic New Business |
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Topic for #evergreen is now New Business (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2020-08-20, agenda: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2020-08-20) |
| 14:53 |
agoben |
I have none. Anyone else? |
| 14:53 |
JBoyer |
not me |
| 14:53 |
tlittle |
None here |
| 14:53 |
dluch |
Nope! |
| 14:54 |
gmcharlt |
none |
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agoben |
Ok, then. |
| 14:54 |
agoben |
#topic Next meeting |
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| 14:54 |
agoben |
#info Our next formal meeting will be on September 17, 2020. |
| 14:55 |
nfBurton |
agoben++ |
| 14:55 |
agoben |
We'll see where all of our cans are then that we've been kicking along! |
| 14:55 |
agoben |
#endmeeting |
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jvwoolf |
agoben++ |
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JBoyer |
agoben++ |
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agoben |
Thanks, everyone! |
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jlundgren |
agoben++ |
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agoben++ |
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I have a library that is trying to use the iMatch service. iMatch cannot connect via yaz on either port 210 or 2210. I can via 2210 internally on localhost:2210, but not on 210. They last successfully connected in June. We did do a minor upgrade in July to incorporate curbside appointments. When I look at the dgo.conf file it points to our app |
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JonGeorg |
server, but at a file location that does not exist. http://app1sage/opac/extras/sru/BCLDIST/holdings. I assume that is supposed to map to either app1 /openils/var/web/opac/extras/sru [- which does not exist]/BCLDIST/holdings or perhaps app1 /openils/var/templates_baker/opac/extras [- which does not exist either] However, when looking through the |
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JonGeorg |
yaz documentation, I get the impression those files are essentially dynamically generated with the connection. I have verified that the ports are open on the firewalls for the two servers, and that they are using the correct ip address. They did have the database name with an Uppercase letter when the dgo.conf file has it all as lowercase, but |
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JonGeorg |
apparently that has not fixed the issue. I'm not seeing anything obvious in the system logs on that server. The error they have gotten range from database not found to system [lower-layer] error. I've done a traceroute to their ip, and added their ip to the firewall all without a change. Does anyone have any ideas on what to look at next?. |
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sandbergja |
re-grabbing 1214 |
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mrisher |
A question recently came up in regards to accessibility. What screen readers does Evergreen support? See comments #8 and #9 on this thread https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1795720 |
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pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1795720 in Evergreen "Icons in staff client menu bars should be hidden from screen readers" [Medium,Confirmed] |
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sandbergja |
mrisher: I think WebAIM has some really good guidance on this: https://webaim.org/articles/screenreader_testing/ |
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sandbergja |
Their guidance is to target principles, guidelines, and best practices rather than specific screenreaders |
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mrisher |
A recent Evergreen audit used JAWS and NVDA. The article above mentions them and VoiceOver. |
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mrisher |
"JAWS is currently the most popular screen reader, though VoiceOver, NVDA, and others are becoming much more popular due to their features and low cost. " |
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mrisher |
Not sure the process the Evergreen community uses to make a decision like this. |
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sandbergja |
The second point "Should I always test my web content for accessibility using a screen reader?" is a really good one, I think. I don't know if we have enough people in our dev community who are regular screen reader users |
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berick |
@quote add <tom_waits> The large print giveth and the small print taketh away |
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pinesol |
berick: The operation succeeded. Quote #206 added. |
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berick |
jus cuz |
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sandbergja |
If we target JAWS, but none of us actually know how to use it, what good does the targetting do? |
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mrisher |
Personally I've used NVDA. It's free. It's easy to start using right away. |
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mrisher |
Unfortunately I don't think NVDA is on OS X |
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sandbergja |
I've used NVDA and ChromeVox, but I wouldn't call myself a user of either |
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sandbergja |
There are also screen readers that are not made for blind users; this one is used heavily at my college: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/readwrite-for-google-chro/inoeonmfapjbbkmdafoankkfajkcphgd?hl=en-US |
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terranm |
I've used NVDA just enough to get it installed and learn how to open it, but that's about it |
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terranm |
As far as bug 1795720 goes, I think it's a given that we should have the aria hidden attribute as a minimum. |
| 15:39 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1795720 in Evergreen "Icons in staff client menu bars should be hidden from screen readers" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1795720 |
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terranm |
I'm installing that patch now |
| 15:39 |
terranm |
(again, since I wiped that server clean) |
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mrisher |
I ran into some bugs using ChromeVox. Didn't feel like it was working properly. I forget the specifics. |
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mrisher |
One great feature of Firefox is that you can test accessibility with it. You can click the "Accessibility" button, click on any web element, and there's a panel telling you what would be read, were you using a screen reader |
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sandbergja |
mrisher: yes! that is pretty sweet |
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terranm |
+1 |
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sandbergja |
Anyway, I'm not too enthusiastic about saying that Evergreen only supports [list] screenreaders. I am enthusiastic about all the new accessibility fixes that are happening! |
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sandbergja |
mrisher++ |
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sandbergja |
terranm++ |
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terranm |
accessibility++ |
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mrisher |
Yes, these are good things. I like giving thorough testing instructions. Should I just say something like "You'll need a screen reader. JAWS and NVDA are popular options." ? |
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mrisher |
Maybe throw in a note about how Firefox can be used if installing a screen reader isn't practical? |
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sandbergja |
That sounds good to me |
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sandbergja |
And link to some "here's how to get by in JAWS and NVDA" instructions |
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sandbergja |
e.g. https://developer.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/01/basic-screen-reader-commands-for-accessibility-testing/ |
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sandbergja |
And also linking to some automated accessibility testing tools, too. They don't catch everything, but are good for finding the basics (e.g. unlabeled form inputs) |
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sandbergja |
aXe is my favorite, but I also use WAVE |
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sandbergja |
also, ng lint can do some accessibility testing too! |
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sandbergja |
See http://codelyzer.com/rules/ -- all the ones that start with template-accessibility |
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mrisher |
just added some testing instructions to https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1887869 |
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pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1887869 in Evergreen "Web Staff Client - Accessibility and the Item Edits Page" [Undecided,Confirmed] |
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mrisher |
I didn't see your additional comments about automated tools and ng-lint til after I hit submit |
| 16:08 |
mrisher |
terranm: I didn't see 1887869 on the list of feedback fest bugs, but it'd be great if it could be included |
| 16:10 |
terranm |
I can bump that one up |
| 16:10 |
terranm |
(We started out with about 170 open pullrequests so we couldn't load everything at once) |
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mrisher |
fair enough. I'm looking for something to help test myself... |
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sandbergja |
mrisher++ # testing instructions |
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pinesol |
[evergreen|Rogan Hamby] lp1771386 update to record merge assets function to make source bib inactive as well as flagged deleted - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=dc215a9> |
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pinesol |
[evergreen|Jane Sandberg] lp1771386 stamping DB upgrade for inactivate bib on merge - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=23a9428> |
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sandbergja |
mrisher: I know gmcharlt was looking for testers for bug 1850547 |
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pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1850547 in Evergreen "Angular Acquisitions Sprint 3: Acquisitions Search" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1850547 |
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mrisher |
sandbergja: thanks. I'll take a look at it |
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terranm |
We're hoping to get that one loaded onto a test server that has real PINES data on it too since Acq is such a bear to configure |
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sandbergja |
terranm: would that be available to testers outside PINES? |
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sandbergja |
The acq data in concerto is just so small! |
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terranm |
Not publicly, but Tiffany might be able to set up a private Google Meet session or something |
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rhamby |
concerto needs more acq and more serials |
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rhamby |
among other stuff probably |
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terranm |
+1 |
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sandbergja |
rhamby: more books about cats! |
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rhamby |
ferrets |
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sandbergja |
That's my default search, and concerto always has 0 |
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sandbergja |
hahaha |
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sandbergja |
there's only one about dragons |
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rhamby |
I have dogs, cats and ferrets so all three are fine with me |
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rhamby |
most of the books in there now I added and tolkien is my default search hence .... |
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sandbergja |
:-) |
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rhamby |
I actually should have added more to have more versions of media for the same title. |
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rhamby |
Once meta record holds came in I wished I'd had audiobook, book and movie fo the various titles, as well as the bankin and rass hobbit as well ... whatever that thing that was done a few years ago. |
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rhamby |
good for authorities too. |
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sandbergja |
oh yes! |
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rhamby |
when I have time it's on my todo list to add those along with authority data for them |
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rhamby |
well more authorities in general but it's a start |
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sandbergja |
well, if you're taking requests, there's the BBC radio production of LOTR |
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sandbergja |
:-) |
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rhamby |
thsoe would be good to include |
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terranm |
+1 to more alternate forms |
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rhamby |
I got part way on building a list for a thorough update of authorities on concerto and ran out of time |
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rhamby |
I might go back to it and just focus on tolkien titles so as to get something in and build in the alernate forms as well as authorities for those at least |
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sandbergja |
that would be pretty sweet! |
| 16:39 |
sandbergja |
If you have a list of titles, names, subjects, etc., this script can pull authority records from library of congress: https://github.com/sandbergja/dlc_authority_fetcher |
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rhamby |
I'll take a look. I think I was trying to be too complete and often I think "I'll have a good chunk of time this week" and then that doesn't happen. |
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rhamby |
things like this I sometimes sneak in on weekend mornings when the rest of the house is asleep |
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sandbergja |
yeah, I think my most productive hour these days is like 6:30am-7:30am, and then it all goes downhill from there |
| 16:43 |
sandbergja |
Oh wow! The BBC public domain-ized that dramatization! |
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sandbergja |
https://archive.org/details/the-lord-of-the-rings-bbc-radio-drama |
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sandbergja |
the music is sooo good! |
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dluch |
agreed!! |
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JBoyer++ |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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csharp |
@dessert add 31 Unchanged Chunks |
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pinesol |
csharp: The operation succeeded. Dessert #61 added. |
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terranm |
lol |
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