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berick |
anyone know if this meeting ever happened? not finding any minutes. https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:2019-07-02 |
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csharp |
berick: nothing I can see |
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berick |
just wondering what needs to be copied over.. |
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Dyrcona |
Nothing in my local chat logs. |
| 10:09 |
berick |
i think I missed a meeting somewhere in the last couple months |
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Dyrcona |
We've missed a few as a community, too. |
| 10:10 |
gmcharlt |
after the meeting I'm currently in, I'll put together an agenda for a meeting today and post it here and on the list |
| 10:10 |
gmcharlt |
*dev meeting today |
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berick |
gmcharlt++ |
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csharp |
I am away doing PINES trainings this afternoon, so I'm going to miss this one :-( |
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berick |
"today in PINES training we learn IRC" |
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csharp |
"ok, y'all just hang tight for about 45 mins..." |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed Building Evergreen <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.30.html#2019-12-03T11:00:45,642733428-0500 -0> |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed Running Evergreen tests <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.31.html#2019-12-03T11:00:45,670095784-0500 -2> |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed Installing Evergreen <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.32.html#2019-12-03T11:00:45,697174167-0500 -4> |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed Installing Dojo <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.35.html#2019-12-03T11:00:45,724417964-0500 -6> |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed configure apache <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.36.html#2019-12-03T11:00:45,751807836-0500 -8> |
| 11:02 |
pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed configure EG Action/Trigger <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.38.html#2019-12-03T11:00:45,779140022-0500 -10> |
| 11:02 |
pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed Create Evergreen Database <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.41.html#2019-12-03T11:00:45,806399243-0500 -12> |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed Running pgTAP tests <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.42.html#2019-12-03T11:00:45,833616012-0500 -14> |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed Running autogen.sh <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.44.html#2019-12-03T11:00:45,861887222-0500 -16> |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed Running pgTAP live tests <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.47.html#2019-12-03T11:00:45,889208650-0500 -18> |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed Running settings-tester.pl <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.48.html#2019-12-03T11:00:45,916017334-0500 -20> |
| 11:02 |
pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed Running perl live tests <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.49.html#2019-12-03T11:00:45,942780711-0500 -22> |
| 11:02 |
pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed Log Output: srfsh.log <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.58.html#2019-12-03T11:00:45,969839648-0500 -24> |
| 11:02 |
phasefx |
I'm going to change that to report just the first error :) |
| 11:04 |
phasefx |
though in this case, the webifier is not catching the true first error, which is Err:106 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch/main amd64 libgd-graph-perl all 1.48-2 |
| 11:04 |
phasefx |
Hash Sum mismatch |
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Dyrcona |
phasefx: Try apt-get update on the machine if the script isn't doing it. |
| 11:24 |
phasefx |
script is doing that |
| 11:25 |
phasefx |
timing wise, the vm has already been wiped; we didn't get the report until that happened, cause the ssh that pushes the script just sits there until the machine is refreshed. haven't worked that out yet :-/ |
| 11:35 |
jeff |
dbwells, Dyrcona: do you recall the reasons behind 1) creating an explicit link between billings and adjustments, and 2) applying payments out of order (largest first) when mapping payments to billings for an xact? I've been digging through comments and commits and bug comments and figured I'd ask you both as well. |
| 11:38 |
Dyrcona |
jeff: On 2, that was me. I figured if you paid a lot, you wanted to pay the highest bills, first. It would be more likely to remove penalties that way. |
| 11:39 |
jeff |
ah. how would it be more likely to remove penalties? |
| 11:39 |
jeff |
or, I guess which penalties? maybe we don't use the ones here you have in mind. |
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Dyrcona |
Where I worked at the time, and where I work now, block patrons with more than $10 or so in fines. |
| 11:45 |
Dyrcona |
Since at the point that code runs, there's no way to link payments with bills, paying the highest bills first seemed as logical as other method. |
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dbwells |
jeff: That link causes some complications, for sure. I believe it was added with at least two goals in mind. First, it could provide a guarantee against adjusting the same billing twice. Second, there were use cases where overdue fines were allowed to be adjusted, but replacement costs were not, and it was hoped that this linkage would give clarity to which parts of the bill were adjusted, and which parts were actually paid (or still |
| 12:17 |
dbwells |
owed). That concern was magnified in cases involving multiple org units doing the billing. There are certainly other ways to handle these concerns, some of which may be better :) |
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jeff |
thanks, that helps! |
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gmcharlt |
agenda for today's dev meeting; please feel free to add to it |
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gmcharlt |
https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:2019-12-03 |
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dbs |
I posted 3.4.1 versions of some of the manuals to https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs (asciidoctor failed with a fatal error trying to build the single manual, and unfortunately it doesn't provide a useful traceback) |
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gmcharlt |
dev meeting in 8 minutes |
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gmcharlt |
let's do this |
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gmcharlt |
#startmeeting Evergreen Develpment Meeting 2019-12-03 |
| 15:01 |
pinesol |
Meeting started Tue Dec 3 15:01:12 2019 US/Eastern. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:01 |
pinesol |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #evergreen is now (Meeting topic: Evergreen Develpment Meeting 2019-12-03) |
| 15:01 |
pinesol |
The meeting name has been set to 'evergreen_develpment_meeting_2019_12_03' |
| 15:01 |
gmcharlt |
#info Agenda is https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=dev:meetings:2019-12-03 |
| 15:01 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Introductions |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Evergreen Develpment Meeting 2019-12-03) |
| 15:01 |
gmcharlt |
please introduce yourself using the form "#info irc_nick = name, optional affiliation" |
| 15:02 |
JBoyer |
#info JBoyer = Jason Boyer, EOLI |
| 15:02 |
gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt = Galen Charlton, EOLI |
| 15:02 |
alynn26 |
#info alynn26 = Lynn Floyd, Evergreen Indiana |
| 15:02 |
berick |
#info berick = Bill Erickson, KCLS |
| 15:02 |
remingtron |
#info remingtron = Remington Steed, Hekman Library (Calvin University) |
| 15:02 |
dbwells |
#info dbwells = Dan Wells, Hekman Library (Calvin University) |
| 15:03 |
phasefx |
#info phasefx = Jason Etheridge, EOLI |
| 15:03 |
Dyrcona |
#info Dyrcona = Jason Stephenson, CW MARS |
| 15:04 |
gmcharlt |
so, starting the slate fresh |
| 15:04 |
gmcharlt |
#topic OpenSRF |
| 15:04 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now OpenSRF (Meeting topic: Evergreen Develpment Meeting 2019-12-03) |
| 15:04 |
gmcharlt |
#info OpenSRF 3.2.0 was released on 2019-10-01 |
| 15:06 |
gmcharlt |
so as far as recent bugs are concerned |
| 15:07 |
gmcharlt |
I see a couple installation-related things, including a pullrequest for Devuan support and issues registering ejabberd users as root on Ubuntu |
| 15:07 |
dbs |
#info dbs = Dan Scott, Laurentian University |
| 15:07 |
gmcharlt |
is there anything that folks see as a particularly pressing issue at the moment? |
| 15:09 |
Dyrcona |
I think we should be looking ahead to adding SASL and new style authentication for OpenSRF and ejabberd. |
| 15:09 |
Dyrcona |
But, time... :( |
| 15:10 |
gmcharlt |
Dyrcona: so going beyond the contents of bug 1703411? |
| 15:10 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1703411 in OpenSRF "OpenSRF: XMPP Non-SASL auth is being phased out" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1703411 |
| 15:12 |
Dyrcona |
Not necessarily beyond that bug, no. (I had to read it again.) |
| 15:12 |
gmcharlt |
ok, just wanted to make sure that there weren't desiderata that should at least be added to LP |
| 15:12 |
Dyrcona |
mod_legacy_auth hasn't been removed from ejabberd, yet, but it is not documented any longer. |
| 15:13 |
gmcharlt |
#info SASL/new-style-authentication support (see bug 1703411) identified as a potential priority given that mod_legacy_auth is deprecated (and now, undocumented) in recent ejabberd |
| 15:13 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1703411 in OpenSRF "OpenSRF: XMPP Non-SASL auth is being phased out" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1703411 |
| 15:13 |
gmcharlt |
anything else before we move on to Evergreen? |
| 15:14 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Evergreen |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Evergreen (Meeting topic: Evergreen Develpment Meeting 2019-12-03) |
| 15:14 |
gmcharlt |
handing the floor over to berick and (in spirt) csharp to discuss 3.5 |
| 15:14 |
berick |
hi |
| 15:14 |
berick |
i've put the proposed schedule on the general roadmap page |
| 15:15 |
berick |
https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap |
| 15:15 |
berick |
let me know if there are concerns |
| 15:15 |
berick |
ditto the EG dev calendar |
| 15:15 |
berick |
also added a pile of stuff to the feature roadmap |
| 15:15 |
berick |
https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap:3.5 |
| 15:16 |
berick |
most recent being more piles of angular ports |
| 15:16 |
berick |
Any other features expected for 3.5 should go into this list |
| 15:17 |
berick |
and get tagged with the 3.5 milestone in LP |
| 15:17 |
berick |
still pretty early in the cycle. next group activity will be Feedback Fest in Jan. |
| 15:17 |
berick |
but i'm sure we'll have plenty to discuss before then |
| 15:18 |
berick |
any questions for me? |
| 15:18 |
berick |
oops, Feedback Fest in Feb. not Jan. |
| 15:19 |
gmcharlt |
berick: next you'll be telling us that general release is on April Fool's Day! |
| 15:19 |
gmcharlt |
;) |
| 15:19 |
berick |
that's the beauty, who knows if I'm making it up! |
| 15:19 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 15:19 |
berick |
the Neutral Chaos release |
| 15:20 |
gmcharlt |
any questions / comments for berick regarding 3.5? |
| 15:20 |
Dyrcona |
I hope to add something to the roadmap, soon. I want to actually make progress on it before I do, however. |
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gmcharlt |
great |
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gmcharlt |
so, moving on to maintenance releases, anything to say here? |
| 15:23 |
dbwells |
We still have one blocker for dropping 3.1 releases |
| 15:24 |
gmcharlt |
dbwells: namely bug 1773191? |
| 15:24 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1773191 in Evergreen "Untranslatable Last Billing Type values" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1773191 |
| 15:24 |
dbwells |
Yes. Actually, I see there is a security bug as well. |
| 15:25 |
gmcharlt |
yeah |
| 15:25 |
dbwells |
It seems like both are close, so just highlighting in hopes that someone can push them over the finish line. |
| 15:26 |
gmcharlt |
both bugs have progress, indeed |
| 15:27 |
gmcharlt |
I can provide forward progress for the security bug |
| 15:28 |
gmcharlt |
and we can nudge csharp to see if he's progressed any further with testing for 1773191 |
| 15:28 |
gmcharlt |
#action gmcharlt will apply various code changes and nudges regarding the remaining webstaffblocker bugs |
| 15:29 |
dbwells |
gmcharlt++ |
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remingtron |
gmcharlt++ |
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Dyrcona |
gmcharlt++ |
| 15:31 |
gmcharlt |
ok, moving o |
| 15:31 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Hatch |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Hatch (Meeting topic: Evergreen Develpment Meeting 2019-12-03) |
| 15:31 |
gmcharlt |
floor back to you, berick |
| 15:32 |
berick |
hatch.. |
| 15:33 |
berick |
fwiw, we'll be going live on using the omnibus hatch branch merged into our EG code |
| 15:33 |
berick |
along w/ the hatch 0.3.2 build |
| 15:33 |
berick |
i know there's some other interested parties in moving that bug forward |
| 15:33 |
gmcharlt |
commit ade63709f4b51b jumps out at me |
| 15:33 |
berick |
hoping we can help root out any final issues and encourage some confidence in the bug overall |
| 15:33 |
berick |
done a fair amount of use and testing so far |
| 15:34 |
gmcharlt |
was there anything adding dupes? and if so, should there be code checking that the new constraint is not violated? |
| 15:34 |
gmcharlt |
or is that patch just belt-and-suspenders? |
| 15:34 |
berick |
belt-and-suspenders ... i had a dupe on a dev VM but I was fairly confident it was not from natural causes |
| 15:35 |
berick |
i can certainly add a check or at least an \echo |
| 15:36 |
gmcharlt |
thanks |
| 15:37 |
berick |
anyway, that's what I would expect to be the next hatch release |
| 15:37 |
gmcharlt |
#info more eyes are wanted on the Hatch omnibus branch for bug 1830391 |
| 15:37 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1830391 in Evergreen "Hatch omnibus circa 3.3 (Java updates and more)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1830391 |
| 15:38 |
gmcharlt |
so, moving on |
| 15:38 |
gmcharlt |
#topic Review of specific bugs |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Review of specific bugs (Meeting topic: Evergreen Develpment Meeting 2019-12-03) |
| 15:39 |
gmcharlt |
#info The SIP2 changes to accommodate a Hoopla change has a pull request at https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1853363 |
| 15:39 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1853363 in Evergreen "SIP2: add setting to specify overriding certain flag fields" [Wishlist,New] |
| 15:39 |
gmcharlt |
so, I brought this one up for two reasons |
| 15:39 |
gmcharlt |
first, for eyes on the pull request |
| 15:40 |
gmcharlt |
second, now that there's been a couple weeks since Hoopla started informing their customers about the fact that they will be taking certain additional flags into account |
| 15:40 |
gmcharlt |
... whether there are Evergreen users out there who ultimately are just fine with the status quo in Evergreen |
| 15:41 |
gmcharlt |
i.e., that patrons who have blocks or lost cards in Evergreen will start getting blocked in Hoopla |
| 15:41 |
Dyrcona |
This one is one our RADAR at CW MARS. I was going to wait to see if any one here started complaining about Hoopla blocking patrons unexpectedly. |
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* gmcharlt |
makes a note to never got caught in the beam of the caps-lock radar |
| 15:42 |
berick |
on our radar too |
| 15:42 |
berick |
heh |
| 15:42 |
Dyrcona |
I think you'd want to block patrons from using Hoopla if they're blocked in Evergreen, but what I think is not always what members want or expect. |
| 15:42 |
alynn26 |
It's one I'm watching, |
| 15:42 |
Dyrcona |
heh.. Well, it's an acronym/abbreviation.... |
| 15:42 |
gmcharlt |
ah |
| 15:43 |
gmcharlt |
ok, it sounds like there's sufficient interest in the work-around, dirty as it may be |
| 15:43 |
gmcharlt |
so yeah, I reiterate my plea for eyes on the pull request |
| 15:43 |
gmcharlt |
I note that in _principle_ we could really go for broke and teach Evergreen lots of options for managing SIP2 configuration options |
| 15:44 |
gmcharlt |
(and move the settings in-DB) |
| 15:44 |
alynn26 |
gmcharlt ++ |
| 15:44 |
gmcharlt |
but that's probably way more work on support for an old protocol than is warranted |
| 15:45 |
JBoyer |
Moving auth in-db sometime may be worth the effort, but yeah, no need to get *too* fancy with SIP. |
| 15:45 |
Dyrcona |
I think there's a bug about moving sip settings in-db, or maybe I'm confusing it with something else. |
| 15:45 |
gmcharlt |
any other bugs that people would like to highlight? |
| 15:46 |
gmcharlt |
Dyrcona: I'm not immediately finding such a bug, not that that means much |
| 15:46 |
gmcharlt |
JBoyer: I agree |
| 15:47 |
Dyrcona |
Probably just something we've chatted about in the past. :) |
| 15:47 |
gmcharlt |
although moving logins-at-least into the DB probably does mean also moving any per-SIP2-terminal-user settings |
| 15:48 |
JBoyer |
Mmm. Yeah, too many less-than-institution level settings. :/ |
| 15:49 |
gmcharlt |
any other bugs to highlight? |
| 15:50 |
gmcharlt |
then moving to the final topic |
| 15:50 |
gmcharlt |
#topic QA-related bugs |
| 15:50 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now QA-related bugs (Meeting topic: Evergreen Develpment Meeting 2019-12-03) |
| 15:50 |
gmcharlt |
this is a carry-over from an earlier version of the agenda, but the LP link for "qaproject"-tagged bugs turns up nothing |
| 15:50 |
gmcharlt |
does anybody recall what this is? |
| 15:50 |
phasefx |
no bugs there at the moment; I added that to the stock agenda way back when tests failed and no one had the itch to address it |
| 15:51 |
gmcharlt |
ah, OK |
| 15:51 |
phasefx |
for regressions |
| 15:51 |
gmcharlt |
#info The "qaproject" LP tag is meant for bugs stemming from automated test failures that aren't immediately addressed |
| 15:51 |
gmcharlt |
phasefx: ^^ fair summary? |
| 15:51 |
phasefx |
the live test results page also inlines those bugs |
| 15:51 |
phasefx |
gmcharlt++ fair |
| 15:52 |
gmcharlt |
ok |
| 15:52 |
gmcharlt |
so at the moment, we're golden! |
| 15:53 |
gmcharlt |
any other topics that folks would like to raise for the last 8 minutes? |
| 15:53 |
Dyrcona |
Except that tests failed earlier today. |
| 15:53 |
gmcharlt |
we're not golden! :( |
| 15:53 |
phasefx |
I think that may be from debian updates to the repo not being atomic, but I'm not sure |
| 15:53 |
JBoyer |
Dyrcona, that was some kind of upstream thing. (Not even npm!) |
| 15:54 |
phasefx |
Hash sum mismatch on at least one package |
| 15:54 |
Dyrcona |
Yeah, I was gonna add that it was probably distro-specific. |
| 15:54 |
gmcharlt |
*sigh* |
| 15:54 |
phasefx |
it shouldn't spew the channel with a ton of errors next time though, I have RSS just reporting the first one |
| 15:54 |
Dyrcona |
So, we're silver-ish... :) |
| 15:54 |
gmcharlt |
I'm not entirely kidding when I say that I wish the Javascript ecosystem had just adopted CPAN |
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phasefx |
poor JSAN |
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gmcharlt |
ok, it sounds like we've hit the end... (just in time for sandbergja to join us!) |
| 15:56 |
gmcharlt |
so, thanks, folks! |
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gmcharlt |
#endmeeting |
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pinesol |
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pinesol |
Minutes: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2019/evergreen.2019-12-03-15.01.html |
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pinesol |
Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2019/evergreen.2019-12-03-15.01.txt |
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pinesol |
Log: http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergreen/2019/evergreen.2019-12-03-15.01.log.html |
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Dyrcona |
gmcharlt++ |
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gmcharlt++ |
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gmcharlt++ |
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phasefx |
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dbwells |
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