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* csharp |
loves the name make-fetch-happen |
| 08:42 |
rfrasur |
sounds like something you could train a small animal or child (or grownup) to do. |
| 08:43 |
rfrasur |
[person]make-fetch-happen[coffee] |
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Dyrcona |
@coffe rfrasur |
| 08:50 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: What do you mean? An African or European swallow? |
| 08:50 |
mmorgan |
typos-- |
| 08:50 |
Dyrcona |
@coffee rfrasur |
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* pinesol |
brews and pours a cup of Kenyan AA, and sends it sliding down the bar to rfrasur |
| 08:50 |
Dyrcona |
@coffee |
| 08:50 |
* pinesol |
brews and pours a cup of Tres Santos Micro-Lot La Dorada Cauca, and sends it sliding down the bar to Dyrcona |
| 08:50 |
Dyrcona |
Obviously, I need some, too. :) |
| 08:50 |
rfrasur |
Dyrcona++ |
| 08:51 |
rfrasur |
I nearly told the world about the beauty that is in the cup before me. But I figured it might be a little over the top for something I'm gonna consume very soon. |
| 08:54 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 08:55 |
rfrasur |
meanwhile, working from home with a literally snoring dog on a rainy day is not particularly conducive to enthusiasm. |
| 08:58 |
rhamby |
rfrasur: that's two strong encouragements for a book and cup of tea rather than work |
| 08:59 |
rfrasur |
It is. But I continue on, oft repeating "staff accounts are not the same as accounts with StaffCard as the card type." |
| 09:13 |
Dyrcona |
gmail-- contacts-- # I added a new contact and GMail apparently isn't aware of it, yet. |
| 09:15 |
rfrasur |
I've noticed google's talking between products has slowed down noticeably kinda recently. |
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| 09:18 |
Dyrcona |
google-- # "Everybody want to rule the world...." |
| 09:18 |
rfrasur |
lol |
| 09:18 |
Dyrcona |
bleh... typos-- |
| 09:19 |
rfrasur |
typos remind us that haven't been assimilated yet. |
| 09:19 |
Dyrcona |
:) |
| 09:19 |
rhamby |
rfrasur: unless it's a matrix situation where they keep it enough off that people don't rebel against perfection |
| 09:20 |
rfrasur |
rhamby: but those are still humans albeit in a VR environment interacting with SOME AI. |
| 09:21 |
rfrasur |
And if the software is that good...maybe we can copy/paste some of the code. |
| 09:21 |
rhamby |
the problem is that the matrix runs on amigas so it won't cross compile .... |
| 09:22 |
rfrasur |
see, that's beyond me...but maybe next hackaway, we can talk about moving toward amigas. I mean, why not make "master" REALLY meaningful. |
| 09:23 |
csharp |
rfrasur: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pubd-spHN-0&app=desktop |
| 09:23 |
rfrasur |
(like amigas...the old computers?) |
| 09:24 |
rfrasur |
csharp++ haha! |
| 09:24 |
csharp |
:-) |
| 09:26 |
* JBoyer |
just had a guru meditation. Please restart |
| 09:27 |
* rfrasur |
laughs |
| 09:42 |
Dyrcona |
rhamby++ JBoyer++ rfrasur++ |
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| 09:44 |
Dyrcona |
csharp++ |
| 09:45 |
Dyrcona |
Step away to write an email and all of the "fun" happens. :) |
| 09:46 |
rfrasur |
lol, but you're back. And, let's be real - they're the fun ones. I can't remember all the lines and references unless someone (csharp) reminds me with a YouTube video. |
| 09:48 |
rfrasur |
though I do now have a wave of nostalgia for the Commodore 64/128 we had set up in the dining room. |
| 09:49 |
rfrasur |
(I was young...it was one and then the other...like magic) |
| 09:51 |
Dyrcona |
proofreading++ |
| 09:52 |
* Dyrcona |
still has a Vic-20 in a box in the attic, and the cassete "drive," with probably useless tapes of programs that he wrote. |
| 09:52 |
Dyrcona |
Oh, damn.... Why did I do that? |
| 09:52 |
Dyrcona |
Instead of send, I hit the trash can. I should have taken a sick day..... |
| 09:53 |
rfrasur |
Dyrcona - you can make nice crafts from the magnetic tapes. Better than trash than reply all. |
| 09:53 |
Dyrcona |
Guess who gets to write his email again from scratch? |
| 09:54 |
Dyrcona |
yeah, but I had proofread it, was happy with it, and it was going to the right people..... |
| 09:54 |
rfrasur |
You can't recover it from the trash? |
| 09:55 |
Dyrcona |
Don't think so. This is gmail and it was in the drafts folder. |
| 09:57 |
rfrasur |
Oh, yes. Gmail. While I do despise Outlook (so much), it does tend to rarely believe that I want to get rid of anything...at all. Bloaty PoC. |
| 09:58 |
Dyrcona |
No way to get it back, now.... |
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* Dyrcona |
signs along with Sting: "When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around..." # Must be synchronicity.... :) |
| 10:02 |
Dyrcona |
That's it! I'm done. Gonna go raise goats, now. |
| 10:02 |
Dyrcona |
typos-- # To infinity and beyond.... |
| 10:02 |
rfrasur |
lol!!! |
| 10:03 |
* rfrasur |
ponders goat cheese |
| 10:03 |
* rfrasur |
thinks "I like goat cheese." |
| 10:03 |
Dyrcona |
Well, at least, Gmail has synced with Contacts..... |
| 10:03 |
dbs |
signing is inclusive |
| 10:03 |
dbs |
hrm, "SELECT * FROM search.highlight_display_fields( '3148611', '''''::HSTORE' ) A |
| 10:04 |
dbs |
S "search.highlight_display_fields" ;" |
| 10:04 |
dbs |
seeing tons of cstore errors in the logs like that |
| 10:06 |
dbs |
Error is "Unexpected end of string" in PL/pgSQL function search.highlight_display_fields |
| 10:06 |
dbs |
There does seem to be one single quote too few in '''''::HSTORE |
| 10:06 |
Dyrcona |
Maybe I should skip back a few tracks and play "When the World Is Running Down" again for dbs.... |
| 10:07 |
Dyrcona |
That's what it looks like, but quoting quotes can get funky. |
| 10:08 |
dbs |
Yeah, open-ils.search is generating json_query like: {"from":["search.highlight_display_fields","3 |
| 10:08 |
dbs |
153785","''::HSTORE"]} |
| 10:08 |
dbs |
(gah, sorry for the multiline pastes) |
| 10:09 |
rfrasur |
from that post, the quotes seem to be okay. |
| 10:09 |
* dbs |
looks at 246941fdd9f1600d8fc172e3802023bf75dd6266 |
| 10:09 |
pinesol |
dbs: [evergreen|Jason Boyer] LP1779392: Stop sending broken queries - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=246941f> |
| 10:10 |
dbs |
I suspect we don't have that patch... |
| 10:12 |
Dyrcona |
dbs: You manage your local code with git? If so, it's easy to find out. |
| 10:12 |
dbs |
Dyrcona: yes, thanks for the reminder. heh |
| 10:15 |
dbs |
JBoyer++ # that appears to be exactly our issue |
| 10:15 |
* dbs |
will now shut up |
| 10:15 |
* JBoyer |
doesn't like log noise. |
| 10:16 |
* rfrasur |
assumes jboyer isn't referring to a campfire or fireplace. |
| 10:16 |
JBoyer |
Fire's fine, |
| 10:16 |
JBoyer |
burning down your disk with "blah blah is udefined, etc." is not. |
| 10:17 |
Dyrcona |
Well, the code that produces those warnings ought to be fixed..... |
| 10:17 |
* rfrasur |
laughs |
| 10:17 |
rfrasur |
Dyrcona++ |
| 10:21 |
JBoyer |
Dyrcona, sometimes I do! :p |
| 10:21 |
Dyrcona |
@blame [band] for "Burning Down The Disk" |
| 10:21 |
pinesol |
Dyrcona: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 10:22 |
Dyrcona |
Well, that sums up my morning so far, I think.... |
| 10:22 |
* JBoyer |
resists penning even a chorus for that song, but kind of wants to... |
| 10:23 |
rfrasur |
y'all are crackin' me up. Dyrcona that was kinda awesome. JBoyer, it'd be worth it. |
| 10:23 |
* rfrasur |
reiterates a staff card is not the same as a staff account. |
| 10:24 |
Dyrcona |
Too many cstore requests where the results are accessed before checking if there are any results. |
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berick |
jeffdavis: re: your JS build issues, our package-lock.json file is essentially meaningless. delete it and node_modules and rebuild. |
| 10:44 |
jeffdavis |
Thanks, I'll try that. |
| 11:02 |
pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed Installing AngularJS web client - Expected 6 errors but encountered 14. <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.28.html#2019-11-21T11:00:47,710749240-0500 -0> |
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Hmm... So Pg12 just "magically" showed up on my test db server. I think that happened because installing updates recently, I had the non-version postgres package installed. |
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jeff |
libraries that have done an "amnesty month" where patrons can return overdue materials and have the fines forgiven... does anyone here have documentation or can answer some details of the procedures that you used, such as: |
| 13:13 |
jeff |
"when a patron with $10 in fines for already returned items and $5 in fines on a still checked out item returns the item, how much do they now owe: $0 or $10?" |
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csharp |
jeff: I know some PINES library staff subscribe to the General list and would probably have opinions if you shared there |
| 13:38 |
rfrasur |
jeff, that depends on how the amnesty was set up. It's more of a local program/procedure thing. |
| 13:40 |
rfrasur |
If the goal is clear account of overdue fines on returned materials - $0. If, however, it's more about getting materials back - $10. |
| 13:41 |
dbs |
I think the amnesties that we've run in the past would result in $10 fines still being owed, with the rationale that rfrasur gave |
| 13:46 |
agoben |
Just a quick reminder that the TEP Board/EOB Meeting will be starting in about 15 minutes. |
| 13:46 |
rfrasur |
agoben++ |
| 13:47 |
jeff |
so, if you care only about the material, it's option $10, and if you care about bringing back library users and generating goodwill in your community it's option $0? |
| 13:48 |
rfrasur |
jeff - there are probably some more nuances to it than that, but you've articulated my PERSONAL thoughts on it. |
| 13:50 |
mmorgan |
Hmm. So isn't that penalizing the patron that brought the item back before the amnesty, while rewarding the patron that waited until the amnesty? |
| 13:50 |
agoben |
If you're going to run an amnesty without a trade (food-for-fines, read-off-the-fines, etc.), I'd think it's just easier to amnesty everyone with closed-circ fines. We've had a few libraries do that on aged bills. |
| 13:51 |
agoben |
And then if anyone brings in their stuff, then you reward them by closing out the open fines. |
| 13:51 |
rfrasur |
agoben++ |
| 13:52 |
dbs |
jeff: oh I agree |
| 13:53 |
jeff |
in the one that we've done in my memory, we required that you touch base with us in some way in person to have your fines forgiven. this included "returned an item under cover of darkness" -- you were included in a batch forgive |
| 13:53 |
alynn26 |
I've ran and amnesty week that way. If they bought books back, and/or had overdue fines they were forgiven. But, they had to visit the library for it to happen. |
| 13:54 |
alynn26 |
We did not forgive lost or other types of fines/fees. |
| 13:54 |
* jeff |
nods |
| 13:55 |
jeff |
slightly more operational / on topic question: has anyone experimented with having a SIP client checkin set the underlying args for "Amnesty Mode" checkin? |
| 13:55 |
alynn26 |
If they just dropped them in the book drop, then any additional fines on there account where not forgiven |
| 13:55 |
jeff |
it looks like it should be quite possible, i just haven't tested the theory yet. |
| 14:00 |
agoben |
Ok, it's meeting time! |
| 14:00 |
agoben |
#startmeeting EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21 |
| 14:00 |
pinesol |
Meeting started Thu Nov 21 14:00:15 2019 US/Eastern. The chair is agoben. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:00 |
pinesol |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
| 14:00 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:00 |
pinesol |
The meeting name has been set to 'eob_evergreen_project_board_meeting_for_2019_11_21__agenda_https___wiki_evergreen_ils_org_doku_php_id_governance_minutes_2019_11_21' |
| 14:00 |
agoben |
#topic Roll Call |
| 14:00 |
agoben |
Use the #info command to provide name and affiliation |
| 14:00 |
|
Topic for #evergreen is now Roll Call (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:00 |
agoben |
#info agoben = Anna Goben, Evergreen Indiana |
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| 14:00 |
JBoyer |
#info JBoyer = Jason Boyer, EOLI |
| 14:00 |
tlittle |
#info tlittle = Tiffany Little, PINES |
| 14:00 |
terranm |
#info terranm, PINES |
| 14:00 |
jvwoolf1 |
#info jvwoolf = Jessica Woolford, Bibliomation |
| 14:00 |
csharp |
#info csharp = Chris Sharp, PINES |
| 14:00 |
gmcharlt |
#info Galen Charlton, EOLI |
| 14:01 |
cowens |
#info Chris Owens, BPL |
| 14:01 |
nfBurton |
#info Chris Burton, NFPL |
| 14:01 |
alynn26 |
#info alynn26 = Lynn Floyd, Evergreen Indiana |
| 14:01 |
agoben |
Has anyone heard from Holly? |
| 14:01 |
JBoyer |
No |
| 14:01 |
csharp |
@seen hbrennan |
| 14:01 |
pinesol |
csharp: hbrennan was last seen in #evergreen 22 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 11 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <hbrennan> agoben++ |
| 14:02 |
agoben |
We'll go ahead then |
| 14:02 |
agoben |
#topic Approval of Minutes |
| 14:02 |
agoben |
#info Minutes from 2019-10-21 meeting: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=governance:evergreen_project_board_minutes_2019-10-21.pdf |
| 14:02 |
agoben |
Corrections, updates, suggestions? |
| 14:02 |
|
Topic for #evergreen is now Approval of Minutes (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:02 |
csharp |
yeah, these were manual, so please correct what I probably missed |
| 14:02 |
agoben |
Special thanks for the extra work on those! |
| 14:02 |
agoben |
csharp++ |
| 14:02 |
nfBurton |
Looks good to me |
| 14:03 |
csharp |
always happy to help |
| 14:03 |
tlittle |
csharp++ |
| 14:03 |
tlittle |
Looks good to me as well |
| 14:03 |
agoben |
#startvote Accept minutes from 2019-10-21? yes, no |
| 14:03 |
pinesol |
Begin voting on: Accept minutes from 2019-10-21? Valid vote options are yes, no. |
| 14:03 |
pinesol |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 14:03 |
agoben |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
csharp |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
tlittle |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
gmcharlt |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
JBoyer |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
cowens |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
nfBurton |
#vote yes |
| 14:03 |
agoben |
#endvote |
| 14:03 |
pinesol |
Voted on "Accept minutes from 2019-10-21?" Results are |
| 14:03 |
pinesol |
yes (7): nfBurton, JBoyer, agoben, cowens, tlittle, gmcharlt, csharp |
| 14:04 |
agoben |
Whoops, sorry jvwoolf1! |
| 14:04 |
agoben |
#topic Chair Report |
| 14:04 |
jvwoolf1 |
No worries! I concur! |
| 14:04 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Chair Report (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:05 |
agoben |
Spoke with the lawyer for 20 minutes this morning to get clarifications on where we are with him and the NFP process, a few clauses of the 1023, and next steps. Nothing further to report here. |
| 14:05 |
agoben |
#info agoben spoke with Project lawyer (Dilly) on 2019-11-21 regarding issues addressed later in meeting. |
| 14:05 |
agoben |
#topic Treasurer's Financial Report |
| 14:05 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Treasurer's Financial Report (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:05 |
gmcharlt |
#info No substantial changes to to our accounts with SFC or Wells Fargo |
| 14:06 |
agoben |
#topic SFC Updates |
| 14:06 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now SFC Updates (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:06 |
gmcharlt |
#info As Georgia BoR is handling registration for the 2020 conference, activity is expected to be light |
| 14:06 |
agoben |
Sorry |
| 14:06 |
agoben |
#topic Treasurer's Financial Report |
| 14:06 |
|
Topic for #evergreen is now Treasurer's Financial Report (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:06 |
gmcharlt |
and finally, it looks like I will need to resend the change to the articiles of incorporation |
| 14:07 |
gmcharlt |
though this may overlap with what agoben discussed with Dilly today? |
| 14:07 |
agoben |
Yeah, I have more on that later |
| 14:07 |
gmcharlt |
great |
| 14:07 |
gmcharlt |
#info gmcharlt is continuing work on a draft of a report to SFC for the grant |
| 14:07 |
agoben |
gmcharlt++ |
| 14:08 |
gmcharlt |
and finally, as mentioned on the list and I believe is on the agenda, we should review and vote on the conference budget per the policy adopted at the previosu meeting |
| 14:08 |
agoben |
#topic SFC Updates |
| 14:08 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now SFC Updates (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:08 |
gmcharlt |
fin |
| 14:08 |
agoben |
I'll add that to the agenda at the end. |
| 14:09 |
agoben |
Does anyone have anything on the SFC now that I've bobbled between topics again? |
| 14:09 |
agoben |
Other than the grant write-up that is? |
| 14:09 |
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| 14:10 |
agoben |
Seems to be quiet. |
| 14:10 |
agoben |
#topic Release Manager (3.4) |
| 14:10 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Release Manager (3.4) (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:10 |
agoben |
Anything of note for us on 3.4, gmcharlt? |
| 14:11 |
gmcharlt |
nothing of particular note beyond the 3.4.1 release, which fixes a couple important bugs in the .0 |
| 14:11 |
nfBurton |
Is SIP getting a patch before Hoopla makes their changes? |
| 14:11 |
gmcharlt |
nfBurton: yes, a patch will be available mostly likely tomorrow |
| 14:12 |
nfBurton |
Awesome |
| 14:12 |
agoben |
How far back will that go? |
| 14:12 |
agoben |
(version-wise) |
| 14:12 |
csharp |
#info relevant bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1853363 |
| 14:12 |
pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1853363 in Evergreen "SIP2: add setting to specify overriding certain flag fields" [Wishlist,New] |
| 14:12 |
gmcharlt |
(though there is a decent case to be made for accepting the additinoal chdecks that Hoopla is implementing, though that's also a matter of library policy) |
| 14:13 |
gmcharlt |
agoben: the patch should work in all community-supported versions |
| 14:13 |
agoben |
++ |
| 14:13 |
agoben |
Thanks1 |
| 14:13 |
nfBurton |
I do like it better being conditional instead of a full block |
| 14:13 |
gmcharlt |
(and likely earlier versions than that) |
| 14:13 |
agoben |
#topic Release Manager (3.5) |
| 14:13 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Release Manager (3.5) (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:13 |
agoben |
csharp, anything you wanted to share? |
| 14:14 |
csharp |
#info roadmap for 3.5 is available: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap:3.5#third-party_integrations |
| 14:15 |
csharp |
developers/project managers should add features/fixes they plan to work on between now and March-ish to that wiki page |
| 14:15 |
csharp |
berick is working on a release schedule that will be released soon |
| 14:15 |
csharp |
#info release schedule for 3.5 will be added here: https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=faqs:evergreen_roadmap |
| 14:16 |
csharp |
that's all I have for now |
| 14:16 |
agoben |
Thanks! |
| 14:16 |
agoben |
#topic 2020 Conference Committee |
| 14:16 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now 2020 Conference Committee (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:16 |
terranm |
We have extended preconference submissions by another week. If we don't get enough submittals, we'll start reaching out to individuals. |
| 14:16 |
terranm |
Conf registration form is being tested now, hopefully will get all changes made and posted right after Thanksgiving. |
| 14:16 |
terranm |
Sponsor / exhibitor interest is starting to trickle in, but it's early days yet. |
| 14:16 |
terranm |
#info Budget for approval: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/178j7UUgoQUgf0fWvRFrPeEJCn4i5qQXSBgzaqcJLTu0/edit?usp=sharing |
| 14:16 |
terranm |
Food and beverage is incredibly expensive (the bad part about being in a nice hotel in Atlanta), but we're still on track to making a profit. |
| 14:17 |
nfBurton |
How many submissions have we had? |
| 14:17 |
terranm |
For programs? |
| 14:18 |
nfBurton |
Yeah |
| 14:18 |
terranm |
checking... |
| 14:19 |
terranm |
3 basically - one formal submission from Rogan on working with MARC records in Perl, then Chris said he can do his reports one again if there is interest, and I'd like to put together a NewDevs block that possibly covers git, signoffs, etc. (haven't worked out details yet, but will likely recruit a few others to help) |
| 14:20 |
terranm |
We need at least one more, but if we have several we can be choosier |
| 14:20 |
JBoyer |
To be clear, these are just pre-conference submissions, correct? |
| 14:20 |
terranm |
Yes |
| 14:21 |
terranm |
We've received 4 regular conference submissions so far, and will need a lot more |
| 14:21 |
agoben |
Early days in CFP time. We'll have to encourage over the next few weeks! |
| 14:22 |
agoben |
terranm, anything else for us? |
| 14:22 |
terranm |
It's best to get the preconference ones posted close to the start of registration so people know whether or not they want to pay for the preconference day or not |
| 14:22 |
dbs |
éwin 18 |
| 14:22 |
agoben |
++ |
| 14:22 |
terranm |
I believe there needs to be an official vote on the budget |
| 14:22 |
agoben |
I've got that on the agenda udner new business |
| 14:22 |
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| 14:22 |
terranm |
sorry :) |
| 14:22 |
csharp |
#info dluch's email to the General list with proposal info: http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/pipermail/open-ils-general/2019-November/016030.html |
| 14:22 |
agoben |
No worries, it got added after the meeting started. |
| 14:23 |
agoben |
Ok, on to 2021. |
| 14:23 |
agoben |
#topic Site Selection Committee |
| 14:23 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Site Selection Committee (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:23 |
agoben |
csharp, you said you had an update. |
| 14:23 |
csharp |
ok - so we've yet to receive an actual site proposal at this point |
| 14:23 |
agoben |
:/ Hmm. |
| 14:23 |
csharp |
I have heard from one site who indicated they are willing to host, but we don't have anything in writing yet |
| 14:24 |
tlittle |
csharp I think Debbie sent something? It went to my spam folder though initially |
| 14:24 |
csharp |
so we're in a holding pattern until we get something - we've begged and pled as much as we can without losing our dignity |
| 14:24 |
csharp |
oh? I missed that' |
| 14:25 |
tlittle |
I'm trying to find it, now that I've said that |
| 14:25 |
agoben |
Have we ever talked about shifting to an every other year pattern? Or what are the issues if we skip a year? |
| 14:25 |
csharp |
ok - so clearly we're still in process |
| 14:26 |
csharp |
we have not discussed changing the conf schedule before that I remember |
| 14:26 |
agoben |
Obviously there's a gap in potential income, but pondering the possibility of a longer prep cycle. |
| 14:27 |
csharp |
hopefully we'll have something by next month's TEP/EOB meeting |
| 14:27 |
csharp |
#info we're still awaiting submission of a formal site proposal for 2021 |
| 14:27 |
agoben |
Hope so too! We've offered a lot of lead time this round, so we're still in okay shape. :) |
| 14:27 |
agoben |
Thanks! |
| 14:28 |
agoben |
#topic Outreach Committee |
| 14:28 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Outreach Committee (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:28 |
agoben |
#info The full report from rhamby is available here: http://list.evergreen-ils.org/pipermail/board/2019-November/000029.html |
| 14:28 |
agoben |
Any discussion or additions? |
| 14:28 |
rhamby |
I don't have anything to add but glad to discuss anything. |
| 14:30 |
csharp |
agoben++ # contributor of the month |
| 14:30 |
agoben |
Seems to be all quiet. So on we go to the NFP stuff. |
| 14:30 |
agoben |
#topic Unfinished Business: The Evergreen Project mission statement/amendment of incorporation articles |
| 14:30 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Unfinished Business: The Evergreen Project mission statement/amendment of incorporation articles (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:30 |
agoben |
(and thanks!) |
| 14:30 |
agoben |
Something went wrong with the amendment submission. Dilly reports that we should have heard one way or another within 10 days of submission. He has not received any paperwork, and the SoS has not posted the amendments on their site. Dilly's willing to look it over for any issues if we'd like, but we should resubmit in any case. |
| 14:30 |
gmcharlt |
thought so; I'll resubmit it tomorrow |
| 14:30 |
agoben |
I had some follow-up for us internally. Did the check clear? |
| 14:31 |
gmcharlt |
no |
| 14:31 |
agoben |
Ah, well, then it would appear most likely it got lost in the mail. |
| 14:31 |
agoben |
Do you want me to run it by Dilly for a rewrite or should gmcharlt try resending as is? |
| 14:32 |
gmcharlt |
I'm in favor of trying again as is unless Dilly mentioned any issues he saw with the wroding |
| 14:32 |
csharp |
+1 |
| 14:32 |
agoben |
+1 |
| 14:32 |
tlittle |
+1 |
| 14:32 |
cowens |
+1 |
| 14:33 |
jvwoolf1 |
+1 |
| 14:33 |
JBoyer |
+1 |
| 14:33 |
agoben |
Ok, the ayes have it. |
| 14:33 |
agoben |
#info Original amendment of articles was not approved by MO Secretary of State. |
| 14:33 |
agoben |
#action gmcharlt will resubmit the form to the MO Secretary of State. |
| 14:33 |
JBoyer |
It's more likely it was not *received |
| 14:34 |
JBoyer |
if it weren't approved we wouldn't be trying again. :) |
| 14:34 |
agoben |
Both may be true. But it definitely wasn't approved. |
| 14:35 |
agoben |
I'm not sure it's worth it to put a stop-check on the original payment. Thoughts? |
| 14:35 |
JBoyer |
How much was it? |
| 14:35 |
agoben |
$10 I think? |
| 14:35 |
csharp |
nah |
| 14:35 |
gmcharlt |
$10, so the stop-check fee would almost certainly be more |
| 14:35 |
cowens |
Not worth it |
| 14:35 |
tlittle |
Nah |
| 14:36 |
JBoyer |
agreed |
| 14:36 |
agoben |
++ |
| 14:36 |
agoben |
Ok, just wanted to be sure we're crossing our t's. |
| 14:36 |
cowens |
Sorry, how long ago was this originally submitted? |
| 14:36 |
gmcharlt |
I will send it with one of USPS's tracking options this time |
| 14:36 |
agoben |
First week in September |
| 14:36 |
agoben |
++ |
| 14:36 |
cowens |
Thanks |
| 14:36 |
agoben |
And since we should know in less than 2 weeks, we can monitor much more closely this round. |
| 14:37 |
gmcharlt |
yup |
| 14:37 |
agoben |
Ok, ready to move on? |
| 14:37 |
agoben |
#topic Unfinished Business: Dilly's POA |
| 14:37 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now Unfinished Business: Dilly's POA (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:37 |
agoben |
Dilly will submit to the IRS for us. I received the form for my signature after lunch today. |
| 14:38 |
agoben |
#info Dilly is sending the 2848 to agoben for a signature. Should be on file by next week. |
| 14:38 |
agoben |
#action agoben will finalize 2848 and return to Dilly for submission next week. |
| 14:38 |
agoben |
This is pretty much done. He held the form until we had a phone call, so that's a bit of a bummer, but we're on the same page now. |
| 14:38 |
agoben |
Any questions/concerns? |
| 14:38 |
gmcharlt |
none from me |
| 14:38 |
JBoyer |
no |
| 14:39 |
nfBurton |
Is this the last step to sever ties with SFC? |
| 14:39 |
nfBurton |
Or is there more to do |
| 14:39 |
agoben |
No. But it's a required step. We're going to be talking about the rest of the paperwork next |
| 14:40 |
nfBurton |
Okay |
| 14:40 |
agoben |
#topic New Business: NPF Status - Timing |
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Topic for #evergreen is now New Business: NPF Status - Timing (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:40 |
agoben |
We have officially missed the preferred window for submission by the IRS, but as long as we do not collect any donations or further grants, we should not face any penalties. Dilly recommends pushing forward as quickly as possible though to alleviate any issues from the SFC grant (and just so we're done!) |
| 14:40 |
agoben |
The preferred window is 15 months from the original filing was approved. |
| 14:41 |
agoben |
#info We're late submitting the 1023, but shouldn't face any penalties. |
| 14:41 |
agoben |
That said, we need to finalize the 1023 now that the 2848 is going in. |
| 14:41 |
agoben |
#topic New Business: NPF Status - 1023 questions |
| 14:41 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now New Business: NPF Status - 1023 questions (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 14:41 |
agoben |
I have most of the draft (except for the fiscals) filled out, but there are a few questions that go back to mission or I simply don't have the info on. I'll need to collaborate with gmcharlt to fill out the fiscal portion in the next few weeks. |
| 14:41 |
agoben |
Up first then: |
| 14:41 |
agoben |
I need everyone's mailing address. Up to you whether it's your personal or professional address. Please send them to me via email. |
| 14:42 |
agoben |
#action Board members will send mailing addresses to agoben. |
| 14:42 |
agoben |
(and by everyone I mean the board members, of course) |
| 14:43 |
agoben |
Now for the actual questions: |
| 14:43 |
agoben |
Our current draft application says that in future we may seek donations from our website or grants from either foundations or government. Any other sources you'd like to mention or should any of those be removed? |
| 14:43 |
agoben |
^on our website, not from the website. |
| 14:43 |
gmcharlt |
conference and merchandise revenues, if applicable for the 1023 |
| 14:43 |
agoben |
I asked about that and Dilly said that didn't apply |
| 14:44 |
gmcharlt |
cool |
| 14:44 |
agoben |
I had stuff all written up already, so if he changes his mind during the draft review we should be set though. |
| 14:44 |
gmcharlt |
for grant and donations, any implications if some come for Canadian sources? |
| 14:44 |
gmcharlt |
*from |
| 14:45 |
gmcharlt |
(well, non-US sources more broadly) |
| 14:45 |
agoben |
There are. |
| 14:46 |
gmcharlt |
of immediate concern for the 1023, or just something we would deal with at the time of soliciting or receiving such donations? |
| 14:46 |
agoben |
Oh wait, no. There are if we are granting, but the fundraising section does not explicitly call out international solicitations on our behalf |
| 14:47 |
agoben |
So we should be alright if we petition for a grant, but we would need to provide a list of the states and countries for evaluation. |
| 14:47 |
agoben |
in the 1023 |
| 14:48 |
gmcharlt |
then it sounds like we should at least mention Canada |
| 14:49 |
agoben |
I'll add that to the draft solicitation locations. BTW, I'm using the new interactive form that's WAAAAY easier than the previous version and will share it with you all as soon as I can for additional review. Just made so many changes already today I wanted to get in a few more before sharing. |
| 14:50 |
agoben |
In the other direction then: |
| 14:50 |
agoben |
Do we want to indicate that we wish to be a granting agency to other non-profits? This does add a significant layer of complexity as we have to explain all the hows, whos, and reporting stuff. |
| 14:50 |
gmcharlt |
as distinguished from grants/scholarships to individuals? |
| 14:50 |
agoben |
yes |
| 14:51 |
rfrasur |
Is that something that can be done in the future or does it have to be at inception? |
| 14:51 |
JBoyer |
That seems a little outside the scope of the org, at least as I understand it. |
| 14:51 |
agoben |
It may affect how we are classified (private operating foundation vs public charity) |
| 14:52 |
tlittle |
+1 to rfrasur question if this is a can that can be kicked down the road |
| 14:52 |
csharp |
this has never occurred to me as a possibility, so I'm not sure how I feel about that |
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| 14:52 |
tlittle |
Same |
| 14:52 |
agoben |
I don't htink it can be kicked, no. Because of the classification issue |
| 14:52 |
tlittle |
Hmm |
| 14:52 |
nfBurton |
Yay Canada! |
| 14:52 |
csharp |
my first reaction is that I can't think of a situation where we would be providing grants to other non-profits |
| 14:53 |
agoben |
I think we'd be better off saying no, but didn't want to speak for the community on that one |
| 14:53 |
tlittle |
I also think it's a no. I can't think of a situation either |
| 14:53 |
agoben |
I listed grants, but it can include loans as well. |
| 14:53 |
alynn26 |
I would think No. |
| 14:54 |
agoben |
I figured we'd be mostly likely to target grants though if we did want to sponsor some program with MOBIUS or EOLI. |
| 14:54 |
rfrasur |
you mentioned loans. I'm wondering if there would ever be an conference related things where that might arise. |
| 14:55 |
agoben |
I asked about that too. Not included in this eval since it's related to vendor costs |
| 14:55 |
rfrasur |
agoben++ |
| 14:55 |
agoben |
We can offer that without the grant/loan option on our 1023 |
| 14:56 |
gmcharlt |
e.g., exhibiting or sponsorsing a program at ALA (a non-profit) is ultimately fee for service, not a donation |
| 14:56 |
agoben |
Ok, so seems to be an overall no on the NFP grant/loan option. Up next.... |
| 14:56 |
gmcharlt |
if I'm understanding correctly? |
| 14:56 |
JBoyer |
I would lean no just because I wouldn't expect our finances to be in a place where we can give away enough money for it to be worthwhile, and we have multiple potential sources of development funding as is. |
| 14:57 |
agoben |
Looks like there's still questions, so am waiting |
| 14:58 |
rfrasur |
gmcharlt - I think that's right. it's definitely not a donation |
| 14:58 |
gmcharlt |
thanks |
| 14:59 |
agoben |
Ah, yes, sorry. Didn't see the earlier question. That is a fee, yes. |
| 14:59 |
gmcharlt |
agoben: if the pending question you were alluding to is mine, I think I'm on the same page as the hivemind^W collective |
| 14:59 |
agoben |
++ |
| 14:59 |
agoben |
Do we want to indicate that we wish to offer individuals scholarships/grants for conference attendance? This also adds a fair bit of complexity, but seemed a more likely thing for us to offer. |
| 14:59 |
csharp |
yes |
| 14:59 |
tlittle |
I could see that, yeah |
| 15:00 |
agoben |
I think if we're just talking about a couple of subsidies for our conference, we may be eligible to skip this, but if we want to send representatives to other conferences, this may be required. |
| 15:00 |
csharp |
I would anticipate the former and expect the latter situation to be paid by our individual employers (unless I'm missing a use case) |
| 15:01 |
agoben |
So, is that a no as well? |
| 15:01 |
rfrasur |
(I'm not on the board but I have opinions) I could see this as something that could be developed in the future, and it'd be nice to have the platform available to build on. |
| 15:01 |
gmcharlt |
well, to toss another use case out there |
| 15:02 |
gmcharlt |
we could potentially want to do things like send a community member to a specialized training, potentially sharing the costs with there employers |
| 15:02 |
Dyrcona |
A lot of other F/OSS projects/foundations offer such scholarships and grants for conference attendance. They are sometimes means tested. |
| 15:02 |
JBoyer |
csharp, not so much "us," but TEP offering a grant to the Eg conference to those in the community at large that can't afford it or potentially sending Evergreeners to Code4Lib or something like that. |
| 15:02 |
gmcharlt |
so I'm in favor of keepign the door open for that |
| 15:02 |
csharp |
ok - good points and no arguments from me :-) |
| 15:03 |
terranm |
(I'm not on the board either, but I love that idea - there are some small Evergreen libraries that don't have much travel budget) |
| 15:03 |
agoben |
Ok, I'll draft that section out then. Since we're still talking a minor portion of our mission, hopefully no affect on our classification. |
| 15:03 |
agoben |
This next one is more official |
| 15:03 |
agoben |
When do we want the fiscal year to start? We have to pick a month now. January, July, and October seem to be the favorites that I've worked with. |
| 15:04 |
tlittle |
I think we had tossed around July as an option, so the annual budget could be approved at the conference every year |
| 15:04 |
agoben |
Since it plays into policy I will ask for a formal vote once we get thru discussion. |
| 15:04 |
gmcharlt |
My top choice would be January to stay on a calendar year, followed by October to match SFC and (hopefully?) reduce the number of filings needed in 2020 |
| 15:04 |
nfBurton |
I'm a fan of following a calendar year |
| 15:04 |
JBoyer |
I like January |
| 15:04 |
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| 15:04 |
agoben |
I like a calendar year budget myself, but the federal fiscal year (Oct) is good too. |
| 15:05 |
csharp |
I move that we adopt a January - December fiscal year |
| 15:05 |
cowens |
January is good with me |
| 15:05 |
tlittle |
That's good with me |
| 15:05 |
agoben |
#startvote The Evergreen Project's fiscal year will start on January. yes, no |
| 15:05 |
pinesol |
Unable to parse vote topic and options. |
| 15:05 |
agoben |
#startvote The Evergreen Project's fiscal year will start on January? yes, no |
| 15:05 |
pinesol |
Begin voting on: The Evergreen Project's fiscal year will start on January? Valid vote options are yes, no. |
| 15:05 |
pinesol |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
| 15:05 |
gmcharlt |
#vote yes |
| 15:05 |
tlittle |
#vote yes |
| 15:05 |
agoben |
#vote yes |
| 15:05 |
JBoyer |
#vote yes |
| 15:05 |
csharp |
#vote yes |
| 15:05 |
nfBurton |
#vote yes |
| 15:05 |
cowens |
#vote yes |
| 15:05 |
jvwoolf1 |
#vote yes |
| 15:05 |
agoben |
#endvote |
| 15:05 |
pinesol |
Voted on "The Evergreen Project's fiscal year will start on January?" Results are |
| 15:05 |
pinesol |
yes (8): nfBurton, JBoyer, agoben, cowens, tlittle, jvwoolf1, gmcharlt, csharp |
| 15:06 |
agoben |
We should indicate the amendment in the fiscal policy as well. |
| 15:06 |
gmcharlt |
no love for Thermidor, I see |
| 15:06 |
agoben |
#info The Evergreen Project's fiscal year will begin in January. |
| 15:06 |
agoben |
Sorry, I know we're running really long. Just a couple more things |
| 15:06 |
agoben |
#topic New Business: 2020 Elections |
| 15:06 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now New Business: 2020 Elections (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 15:06 |
agoben |
Our timeline was extremely short last year so I'd like to get out in front of it this year a bit better. Would someone be willing to volunteer to head up the 2020 election cycle? Duties include soliciting nominees and selecting and coordinating the election platform, and election. We've used OpaVote in the past. |
| 15:07 |
agoben |
terranm, you coordinated it last year, any thoughts? |
| 15:08 |
terranm |
Did I? |
| 15:08 |
terranm |
Sorry, it seems so long ago! |
| 15:08 |
agoben |
According to the minutes, yup! |
| 15:08 |
terranm |
lol |
| 15:08 |
agoben |
Busy year! |
| 15:09 |
terranm |
As far as I remember, OpaVote allowed us to do ranked elections and it was fairly easy to set up. |
| 15:09 |
agoben |
Also at $10, it wasn't a major cost. |
| 15:09 |
jvwoolf1 |
I can give it a go |
| 15:09 |
agoben |
Excellent! Thanks, jvwoolf1! |
| 15:10 |
agoben |
#info jvwoolf1 will head up the 2020 election project. |
| 15:10 |
jvwoolf1 |
When do you want to start the vote cycle? |
| 15:10 |
JBoyer |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 15:10 |
tlittle |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 15:10 |
agoben |
The new members need to be in place by the conference. |
| 15:10 |
agoben |
Maybe solicit in January-Feb and hold the election in March? |
| 15:11 |
jvwoolf1 |
Sounds good to me. |
| 15:11 |
csharp |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 15:11 |
agoben |
++ |
| 15:11 |
agoben |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 15:11 |
jvwoolf1 |
Project for after the holidays :) |
| 15:11 |
agoben |
Ok, last voting subject: |
| 15:11 |
agoben |
#topic New Business: Conference Budget |
| 15:11 |
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Topic for #evergreen is now New Business: Conference Budget (Meeting topic: EOB/Evergreen Project Board meeting for 2019-11-21, agenda:https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=governance:minutes:2019-11-21) |
| 15:12 |
alynn26 |
jvwoolf1++ |
| 15:12 |
agoben |
#info Budget for approval: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/178j7UUgoQUgf0fWvRFrPeEJCn4i5qQXSBgzaqcJLTu0/edit?usp=sharing |
| 15:12 |
gmcharlt |
I've got just a few questions |
| 15:12 |
agoben |
Discussion? |
| 15:13 |
gmcharlt |
first, the budget is projecting about $7.5K more in registration than last conference. Expecting more attendance (e.g., from PINES libraries?) |
| 15:13 |
terranm |
We also raised the registration prices a bit to cover the increased costs |
| 15:14 |
terranm |
We are pushing the PINES libraries to send people, but we are trying to keep our estimates low to be safe |
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gmcharlt |
second, since F&B is currently budgeted at $61.5K but has a minimum of $35K, at what point are we committed to a final decision on the meals to offer should registration numbers not meet their tgrget? |
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terranm |
We don't have to have final numbers in until about 2 weeks before the conference |
| 15:14 |
terranm |
Here is the meal breakdown, btw: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jbt8eug6M9QDDa1zTvf0JPXvF6jPTcZNeics4oCt8Y8/edit?usp=sharing |
| 15:15 |
gmcharlt |
final cost for a given meal based on actual headcount or just a projection made in advance? |
| 15:15 |
gmcharlt |
third, I want to acknowledge the generosity of PINES in planning to pay for $7K of the A/V costs as noted in the spreadsheet |
| 15:15 |
terranm |
It's based on the numbers we give them two weeks in advance |
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terranm |
thanks :) |
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agoben |
What is the lowest attendance can be for us to still break even with the new pricing? |
| 15:17 |
terranm |
Hrrm... |
| 15:17 |
terranm |
I'm not sure. The food pricing is all per-head, so it goes down as attendance goes down. |
| 15:18 |
agoben |
mk |
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agoben |
Obviously, I'd prefer we max the place out, but it's nice to know when you hit the break even point :) |
| 15:19 |
agoben |
Further questions about the budget? |
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agoben |
Going once... |
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gmcharlt51 |
Galen back |
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gmcharlt51 |
sorry, had server issue that kicked me out of IRC |
| 15:20 |
agoben |
Any more questions or follow-up you're curious about? |
| 15:21 |
terranm |
IRC is giving me fits today too |
| 15:21 |
gmcharlt51 |
so I believe the questions about registration numbers and meals have been addressed |
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nfBurton |
Thought IRC was just me lol |
| 15:21 |
gmcharlt51 |
my main comment is that since the meals are the biggest component of the budget this go around, we should be prepared to make adjustments to the meals as needed |
| 15:22 |
terranm |
Yes, agreed |
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gmcharlt51 |
in case registration numbers are an issue |
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gmcharlt51 |
I'm not particularly concerned about meeting sponsorship targets, as they're in line with previous years |
| 15:22 |
terranm |
We are also adding a question to the registration form this year that asks if the attendee is planning on attending the reception, so we can target that number better |
| 15:23 |
agoben |
Alright, as we seem to have edged to consensus, I'll open the vote. |
| 15:23 |
agoben |
#startvote Approve the 2020 conference budget at presented with the caveat that Food and Beverage may be adjusted in response to registration numbers? yes, no |
| 15:23 |
pinesol |
Begin voting on: Approve the 2020 conference budget at presented with the caveat that Food and Beverage may be adjusted in response to registration numbers? Valid vote options are yes, no. |
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pinesol |
Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. |
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csharp |
#vote yes |
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tlittle |
#vote yes |
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agoben |
#vote yes |
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cowens |
#vote yes |
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JBoyer |
#vote yes |
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gmcharlt51 |
#vote yes |
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nfBurton |
#vote yes |
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agoben |
#endvote |
| 15:24 |
pinesol |
Voted on "Approve the 2020 conference budget at presented with the caveat that Food and Beverage may be adjusted in response to registration numbers?" Results are |
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pinesol |
yes (7): nfBurton, JBoyer, agoben, cowens, tlittle, csharp, gmcharlt51 |
| 15:24 |
agoben |
#topic Next meeting |
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agoben |
#info Our next meeting will be on December 19, 2019. |
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agoben |
Any final words? |
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nfBurton |
None |
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tlittle |
None here |
| 15:25 |
agoben |
Ok, thanks so much everyone! |
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agoben |
#endmeeting |
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agoben |
Thanks for dragging thru everything! That was a lot! |
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agoben |
And thanks to our guests for adding to the discussion!!! |
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rfrasur |
Hah! Thanks for putting up with chatter from the peanut gallery. |
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jeffdavis |
I've seen a notable uptick in NOT CONNECTED TO THE NETWORK errors since our 3.3 upgrade. This may be connected to the recurrent incidents of unusually high load that we've been seeing. |
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jeffdavis |
The NOT CONNECTED drones appear to be mostly open-ils.actor, sometimes open-ils.search, occasionally open-ils.cat. I expect the actor ones are related to bug 1848550, we're at max_children=150 and still maxing out all available drones several times per day. Not quite sure why the high demand for drones results in NOT CONNECTED messages though. |
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pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1848550 in Evergreen "Cache settings more aggressively in web client" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1848550 |
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jeffdavis |
The open-ils.search ones appear to be Z39.50 related. |
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dbs |
jeffdavis++ # digging |
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jeffdavis |
hope I hit that buried treasure soon :) |
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Dyrcona |
jeffdavis: I get NOT CONNECTED all the time on 3.2. I get a lot of RETURNING NULL after timeout messages, too. I just ignore 'em, mostly. I've looked a few times but never pinpointed much useful info. |
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jeff |
interesting concept: force a set of default check-in modifiers. |
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jeff |
either force-default per login session or per load of the check in interface. |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Testing Success <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live> |
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jeffdavis |
berick: deleting package-lock.json alleviated my immediate install woes, thanks again for that advice |
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jeffdavis |
(still shaking my head and muttering darkly about npm though) |
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berick |
jeffdavis: i know the feeling... if you care to weigh in on package-lock specifically, bug 1792394 |
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pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1792394 in Evergreen ".gitignore for "eg2" should include package-lock.json" [Undecided,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1792394 - Assigned to Bill Erickson (berick) |
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jeffdavis |
hmm, I suppose constructive dialogue is better than angry ranting in irc... |
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