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News from qatests: Failed Running perl live tests <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.49.html#2019-06-25T04:57:10,126331995-0400 -0> |
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sandbergja |
Cool presentation about writing Perl using voice control: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz3JeYfBTcY (fun demo starts at 20:17) |
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pinesol |
[evergreen|Kyle Huckins] lp1735835 Transfer Bucket Contents to Pending - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=ffcde0b> |
| 10:31 |
Dyrcona |
sandbergja: Combine that with Emacs skeletons, and it just might be useful. Looks like more of a pain than talking to people, but I suppose if your RSI is that bad.... :) |
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sandbergja |
Dyrcona: yeah! At the end of the video, she mentions that she just got to the point of feature parity with keyboard+mouse. And her next step is to find ways that it works a bit better than keyboard+mouse. |
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rhamby |
sandbergia: there is always a better alternative than emacs :) |
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sandbergja |
rhamby: my partner is an emacs person, and I'm a vi person. It's led to some interesting... uh... discussions? |
| 10:40 |
rhamby |
sandbergia: emacs is like drinking decafe coffee, I will never understand why anyone does it but I accept it ... mostly |
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Dyrcona |
I'm not religious about it, but I'm a lot more productive with Emacs than I am when I vi. Skeletons totally rock! I can write dozens of lines of code with a keystroke, and I can have it wrap the boilerplate semi-intelligently around existing, non-boilerplate code. |
| 10:41 |
Dyrcona |
rhaby: vi is like the decaf coffee.... |
| 10:41 |
Dyrcona |
Emacs is like drinking Jolt or Bawlz. :) |
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* rhamby |
has never heard of Bawlz and it doesn't sound like something he wants to drink |
| 10:43 |
rhamby |
technically I use vim not vi usually, which I prefer to think of as a robust tea if we're using that metaphor |
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Dyrcona |
All my gamer friends used to drink it, almost 20 years ago, now.... /me suddenly feels old. |
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Dyrcona |
:) |
| 10:43 |
Dyrcona |
Well, sure. I use vim mostly when I have to, except on *BSD where I thinks it's technically nvi? |
| 10:44 |
Dyrcona |
My sincere opinion is everyone should use what they're most comfortable with using. |
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rhamby |
I think of nvi as a re-implementation of vi rather than vim but can't say I've ever researched it either. |
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rhamby |
Dyrcona: I do as well, productivity trumps ideology but I like ribbing you on it a bit too. :) |
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sandbergja |
Dyrcona: hear hear |
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Dyrcona |
:) |
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sandbergja |
I'd never heard of nvi! |
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sandbergja |
I love the naming convention of just putting "new" in front of the name of the thing |
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Dyrcona |
I'm not sure which vi comes with the BSDs these days. I usually install emacs-nox or just edit files via tramp ssh mode. |
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sandbergja |
When I was a kid, we got a new cat, and named it... "New Cat" |
| 10:48 |
Dyrcona |
So, I'm trying to figure out why autorenewal emails are not going out. Most of them have no recipient, but even the few that do are failing. Other a/t emails are going out, so must be the template... |
| 10:48 |
Dyrcona |
I'll have to demo skeletons at the hack-away. It probably won't convince you to switch... |
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sandbergja |
Sounds like a fun demo to watch regardless! |
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Dyrcona |
I was thinking informally for anyone who is interested. |
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rhamby |
Dyrcona: I would listen with an open mind. |
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JBoyer |
Dyrcona, You should do it. When I demo'd Ansible the point wasn't to make everyone use Ansible, it was to get people to look at system orchestration in general. (or whatever the current buzzword is) |
| 10:55 |
Dyrcona |
OK. |
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JBoyer |
I'm sure there's something similar in (n)vi(m) for those willing to figuring it out. |
| 10:55 |
Dyrcona |
And, I think I see the problem with the template: extra line at the top..... |
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JBoyer |
Ah, busted headers? |
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Dyrcona |
JBoyer: I'm not so sure about that. Skeletons are kind of like TT2. :) |
| 10:56 |
JBoyer |
Ah, reminds me of XCode snippets, except I suspect more flexible. |
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Dyrcona |
No, just an extra line at the top. It's being output with a blank line before the headers and that, apparently, confuses email::send/email::simple. |
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JBoyer |
And a blank line is the separator between the headers and the message, so busted. :) |
| 10:58 |
Dyrcona |
Well, that latter blank line is "fine." But, yeah, it's a case of the parser being a bit...dumb. |
| 11:08 |
Dyrcona |
So, yeah, looks like the blank line prevents one or both of Email::Send or Email::Simple from finding the headers, and [%- is not stripping the newline. (I should read the docs again to see if it says anything about newlines when it talks about whitespace.) |
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Dyrcona |
And, I'm pretty sure that I've encountered this before... |
| 11:13 |
Dyrcona |
Related to editors: I always grin when Mac or Windows programmers ask me what IDE I use.... :) |
| 11:17 |
Dyrcona |
And, this actually made it on Slashdot: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/24/movies/new-york-citys-libraries-drop-kanopy-streaming.html |
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JBoyer |
emacs can be outfitted into a "full" IDE if it's not considered one out of the box. ;) |
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JBoyer |
And I'm surprised that Kanopy story wasn't the one where they |
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JBoyer |
re emailing all of the patrons whose emails they collected and trying to pressure the library to pick it back up. :/ |
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Dyrcona |
emacs: yeah... I've also heard it described as the "The O/S that thinks it's an editor..." though it's a Lisp machine, not exactly an O/S. :) |
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Dyrcona |
kanopy: yeah, i'm sure that losing NY, Queens, and Brooklyn will be a big loss for them, so no wonder they'd try to pressure them. |
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Dyrcona |
Whereas yesterday I was getting the busted search results, today, I'm getting no results, but that's probably because the test db server is being overworked. |
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sandbergja |
berick: gmcharlt: if/when you have a chance, I'd appreciate your thoughts on bug 1831390 |
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pinesol |
Launchpad bug 1831390 in Evergreen "Make Angular combobox, date-select, etc. implement ControlValueAccessor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1831390 |
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pinesol |
News from qatests: Failed Running perl live tests <http://testing.evergreen-ils.org/~live/test.49.html#2019-06-25T16:58:22,918911395-0400 -0> |
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berick |
sandbergja: will do. at a glance, I'm liking it. |
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