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08:45 * csharp immediately notices Evergreen image change on launchpad
08:54 rhamby csharp: that is oddly startling isn't it?
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09:10 csharp yep, but I like it :-)
09:10 Dyrcona It changed yesterday. :)
09:10 Dyrcona bshum++ kmlussier++
09:11 csharp we're all at the Georgia Libraries Conference this week, so mostly out of pocket
09:11 * csharp wants a "normal" week :-/
09:19 csharp er... when did ESI morph into EOLI?  2016? 2017?
09:20 csharp (mentioning EG community in my conf presentation :-) )
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09:22 abneiman csharp: ESI became EOLI in Jan 2017
09:23 csharp abneiman: thanks!
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10:03 gmcharlt @quote random
10:03 pinesol gmcharlt: Quote #103: "* mrpeters is now known as whatismyname" (added by gmcharlt at 03:08 PM, December 23, 2014)
10:04 gmcharlt ... no relation to whatismyip?
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11:26 Bmagic berick: have you fought windows during the javac command to include lib/org/json/*.class files?
11:27 Bmagic I'm using -cp flag but it still refuses to find those files. Getting " cannot find symbol  private static LinkedBlockingQueue<JSONObject>"
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11:32 Bmagic I'm trying eclipse to see if it will do something magical
11:34 berick Bmagic: you have lib/json-20160810.jar ?
11:34 Bmagic ah, nope
11:35 Bmagic I cloned the maven org.json git
11:35 Bmagic and simply compiled the java files into class files, but didn't make a jar
11:36 berick the windows installer should add that for you
11:36 berick unless you're bypassing the insatller
11:37 Bmagic I overlooked that, thanks!
11:38 Bmagic wait, are you talking about hatch.bat compile ?
11:39 berick i'm talking about the windows .exe installer
11:39 Bmagic I see, no, I was messing with the git repo, trying to compile the java from scratch
11:40 berick gotcha
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11:41 berick Bmagic: see hatch.sh for how it handles the json jar
11:41 berick it just fetches it
11:41 Bmagic I cheated and copied the json-20160810.jar into lib/
11:41 Bmagic working now
11:41 berick cool
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11:52 Jaswinder Hello Everyone, I have one issue where the system is making 10+ calls for ebook each time page is loaded. Is there a caching that I can enable to prevent this behavior?
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11:53 Bmagic The time that I messed with the ebook API, I saw the same thing
11:54 Jaswinder Bmagic, does the platform supports caching?
11:55 Bmagic memcached comes to mind, but I don't know if the ebook pieces use it
12:00 Jaswinder EBook is not using caching at all.
12:01 Jaswinder So, the framework is using memcache?
12:02 eeevil Jaswinder: there's an opensrf api published by evergreen for general caching (though, beware spamming!) that makes use of memcache
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12:11 eeevil Jaswinder: if it's perl code you're working on, see how the $cache variable is used in Open-ILS/src/perlmods/lib/​OpenILS/WWW/AutoSuggest.pm ... js is different, of course. for that, you might look for open-ils.actor.anon_cache.[gs]et_value are used in the web staff UI
12:13 Jaswinder eeevil: I want to cache the api return data if it is within the same session. So, I think I have to preserve in the JS and then invoke the same sessionid for subsequence calls
12:16 eeevil Jaswinder: the set_value call will hand you back a session key that you could toss in a cookie, perhaps. or you could pass a session key of your own based on the auth token if the user must be logged in at this point. don't use the raw auth token, though
12:17 eeevil that creates a memcache object that stores a hash of key/value pairs. you can attempt a get_value, and set if you get a null back
12:18 eeevil and get_value without a field gives you the whole key/value store as a JSON object
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12:21 eeevil so you could get/set values per bib record, with the session key based on the users auth token. note, there's a default 100k size limit on the per-session object, so storing big blobs of html might not be advisable, if that was the plan
12:27 Jaswinder eeevil: thanks for sharing your thoughts! I am following the similar path to solve this issue.
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12:36 kmlussier I see eeevil has lurked back into the heart of the channel.
12:40 berick heh
12:41 berick well it's almost halloween
12:42 jeff in a world without staged search, is asset.opac_visible_copies entirely vestigal now? i think upgrade scripts left it present and populated, but I'm pretty sure nothing's referencing it and nothing's maintaining it.
12:43 miker whee!
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12:43 miker jeff: that should be a correct statement
13:01 kmlussier @coffee
13:01 * pinesol brews and pours a cup of Sumatra Lake Tawar, and sends it sliding down the bar to kmlussier
13:04 jihpringle what is the best way to ask about a 3.1 version of a bug fix that has currently only been released for 3.2?
13:05 kmlussier jihpringle: I would ask about it on the bug. Which bug is it?
13:05 jihpringle The bug has the status of Fix Released so I'm not sure if anyone will see if I comment on the original bug
13:05 kmlussier jihpringle: It will still come through bug mail.
13:06 jihpringle kmlussier: it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/evergreen/+bug/1712854
13:06 pinesol Launchpad bug 1712854 in Evergreen "web client: Sorting for view record holds and holds shelf interfaces" [High,Fix released]
13:07 jihpringle thanks, I'll comment on the bug
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13:44 sandbergja abneiman: Does Equinox have any documentation for the spine/item label printing work done for LP1704873?
13:44 sandbergja If not, I think I'll get started on that for my DIG meeting project. :-D
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13:45 abneiman sandbergja: negative, documentation was not part of our work there (and I think a few things have changed in the meantime) -- so it would be an excellent project to take on :)
13:45 sandbergja Yay!
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13:49 ohiojoe Just an fyi, DIG meeting in 10 minutes
13:55 * kmlussier won't be able to help out during the DIG meeting, but did sign up to document preferred patron name.
13:56 sandbergja Question about spine label printing: Chrome and Firefox put headers at the top of my spine labels printed in the Web client.  Are catalogers expected to turn off headers in their browsers, or is this more of a bug?
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13:57 kmlussier sandbergja: My understanding is that they are expected to turn them off.
13:58 nfburton Browsers like chrome aren't always respectful of @media styling.
13:59 nfburton So it could be set but the browser does it's own thing sometimes lol
13:59 * Dyrcona mutters something unintelligible....
14:00 ohiojoe #startmeeting 2018-10-04 – Documentation Interest Group Meeting
14:00 pinesol Meeting started Thu Oct  4 14:00:10 2018 US/Eastern.  The chair is ohiojoe. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:00 pinesol Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now  (Meeting topic: 2018-10-04 – Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:00 pinesol The meeting name has been set to '2018_10_04___documentatio​n_interest_group_meeting'
14:00 ohiojoe #topic Introductions: please paste "#info <username> is <name> <affiliation>" to identify who you are and what organization, if any, you represent
14:00 Topic for #evergreen is now Introductions: please paste "#info <username> is <name> <affiliation>" to identify who you are and what organization, if any, you represent (Meeting topic: 2018-10-04 – Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:01 sandbergja #info sandbergja is Jane Sandberg, Linn-Benton Community College
14:01 abneiman #info abneiman is Andrea Buntz Neiman, Equinox
14:02 ohiojoe #info ohiojoe is Joe Knueven, DIG Facilitator & Evergreen enthusiast
14:02 remingtron #info remingtron is Remington Steed, Hekman Library (Calvin College)
14:03 ohiojoe #topic New Business
14:03 Topic for #evergreen is now New Business (Meeting topic: 2018-10-04 – Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:03 ohiojoe #topic Documentation contributions and collaboration
14:03 Topic for #evergreen is now Documentation contributions and collaboration (Meeting topic: 2018-10-04 – Documentation Interest Group Meeting)
14:03 remingtron #link https://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php​?id=evergreen-docs:documentation_needs
14:03 remingtron There's the wiki page with To-Do tasks, including easy ones
14:03 ohiojoe Thank you for the link :-)
14:04 ohiojoe Well, as the agenda shows, the plan for today's meeting is to spend the remainder of the time working on documentation tasks, both individually and collaboratively here
14:06 sandbergja If anybody is looking for a project to collaborate on for the hour, I'm working on some documentation for spine label printing in the Web client.
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14:09 abneiman I'm going to commit the stuff that I told sandbergja I'd commit last week, and then look at updating the volume & copy transfer docs
14:12 sandbergja Oh man, changing printer headings in Firefox is not that fun. :-/
14:13 sandbergja er, headers, not headings
14:51 abneiman sandbergja++ # helping me level-up PR's
14:55 sandbergja happy to do it!
14:55 sandbergja abneiman++ # for doing all those PRs!
14:55 alynn26 Sandberja if they set the margins to none, in the print dialog box, all headers and footers go away.  This is how we are printing our spine labels in 3.1.
14:56 alynn26 #info alynn26 is Lynn Floyd, Anderson County Library, SCLENDS
14:56 sandbergja alynn26: Thanks!  Just to check: that turns off headers/footers for all printers, not just the spine label printer, right?
14:57 pinesol [evergreen|Jane Sandberg] Docs: adding basic info about printing spine labels - <http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?p=​Evergreen.git;a=commit;h=bbe067a>
14:58 * sandbergja hoping that the docs I just pushed were accurate..
14:58 alynn26 Yes, that is correct.  I do not have ours to set that way across all printers, in Chrome.  Have not tried it in Firefox.
14:59 sandbergja Thanks!  It's so good to know how folks are printing those.  We're only just starting to experiment with them.
15:00 sandbergja FYI, I just pushed some documentation for spine labels in the Web client, but it is really really basic and could use a lot of expansion!
15:01 ohiojoe sorry I wasn't able to participate more from a collaborative standpoint.  Since it's 3pm, I'll go ahead and technically close the meeting, unless anyone has anything that should go in minutes wise?
15:01 alynn26 We use the Dymo Labelwriter 450's, so we do not use hatch to print at all with Labels.  I can send you my templates if you want to take a look at them.  They work great.
15:02 sandbergja alynn26: I would appreciate that a lot!
15:05 ohiojoe #endmeeting
15:05 Topic for #evergreen is now Welcome to the #evergreen library system channel! | We are publicly logged: http://irc.evergreen-ils.org/evergreen | Large pastes at http://paste.evergreen-ils.org | Can't speak? Make sure your nickname is registered and that you are identified to freenode services: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration
15:05 pinesol Meeting ended Thu Oct  4 15:05:05 2018 US/Eastern.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
15:05 pinesol Minutes:        http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2018/evergreen.2018-10-04-14.00.html
15:05 pinesol Minutes (text): http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergr​een/2018/evergreen.2018-10-04-14.00.txt
15:05 pinesol Log:            http://evergreen-ils.org/meetings/evergree​n/2018/evergreen.2018-10-04-14.00.log.html
15:05 alynn26 here is a link to my templatesa: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JUmxVf-R​GGDdysajdQeREk4vNLBPnz8T/view?usp=sharing
15:07 alynn26 Its a JSON File. There is one issue with the pocket label, we print the Circulating library on the pocket. In the templates they left out the short code for circulating library but had the ID.  In the JSON, I use the ID, and have it print the approiate Short code for the Library.
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15:09 sandbergja alynn26++ #can't wait to try these out!
15:15 alynn26 I have a quick question about Vandelay.  My staff have been trying to export the Item Import list as a CSV, and it is not working.  I have them a work around, but would rather see this fixed. I tested it on Nobles test server and you can not export it there either.
15:21 alynn26 sandbergja, here are the instructions I gave our staff on printing labels.  https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zV​o5B01n4SfR8FIuBE1cxDxhkruNDcxu?usp=sharing
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17:35 jeffdavis Is it expected or desirable for supercat holdings output to include items that aren't OPAC-visible?
17:37 jeffdavis I filed bug 1794884 about non-OPAC-visible holdings in Z39.50 output but it looks like a similar issue exists with, e.g, /opac/extras/supercat/retri​eve/marcxml-full/record/$id
17:37 pinesol Launchpad bug 1794884 in Evergreen "SRU/Z39.50 results can include non-OPAC-visible holdings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1794884
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18:08 jeffdavis looking at the no-longer-used _cp_is_visible() function in Application/SuperCat.pm, seems like only opac-visible items should be included
18:09 jeffdavis which I think means the new_record_holdings() function in Application/SuperCat.pm ought to be updated to test for opac visibility
18:10 * jeffdavis files a bug report
18:35 jeffdavis for the logs: bug 1796201
18:35 pinesol Launchpad bug 1796201 in Evergreen "SuperCat output can include non-OPAC-visible holdings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1796201
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